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Scientific American on Television Addiction

Etcetera writes: "The Drudge Report had an interesting link to a Scientific American article on Television Addiction. Talks about some of the quantifiable effects TV watching can have on the body. Very interesting read. There's also a paragraph or two at the end about game/computer use and why that might be a *little* bit different. But, similar to Jon Katz's essay Browsing Alone, they conclude that when a habit interferes with a growing, active life, it should be taken seriously."

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  1. My take on this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    blah blah blah.

    This is similar in nature to reports that Elvis's gyrating hips are the undoing of young Americans.

    Just because somebody has a PhD in back of their name doesn't give them any special insight.

    1. Re:My take on this... by Alien54 · · Score: 2
      blah blah blah. This is similar in nature to reports that Elvis's gyrating hips are the undoing of young Americans.

      This was on RFN at the beginning of the week.

      according to the article, the simple formal features of television - cuts, edits, zooms, pans, sudden noises - activate an instinctive response, a normal visual or auditory reaction to any sudden or novel stimulus, a built-in sensitivity to movement and potential predatory threats. Thus, it is the form, not the content, of television that is unique, and contributes to the impulse to keep attention on the screen.

      But addicts will tend to try to explain away their impulses as normal rational behavior.

      "Just watch, I can quit any time I want ..."

      And the conclusion you cite are not really the main thrust of the article, unless you happen to be hypersensitive to the issue.

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    2. Re:My take on this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This is similar in nature to reports that Elvis's gyrating hips are the undoing of young Americans.

      Compare rates of single motherhood now to then, and tell me those people weren't on to something. Of course it's silly to blame things on Elvis alone, but the critics were right that something was afoot.

    3. Re:My take on this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are rich

    4. Re:My take on this... by mgblst · · Score: 1

      TV is not an addiction, and it is easy to quit. Hell, ive quit 10 times this week already!

    5. Re:My take on this... by msheppard · · Score: 2

      The article ends by saying "it does constitute a kind of dependence and should be taken seriously", which is a far cry from "undoing of young americans"

      Just because somebody has a PhD in back of their name doesn't give them any special insight.

      I do think having a PhD in the back of your name does give you a special insight, becuase you can trust that the person actually read what they were talking about.

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    6. Re:My take on this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting to slashdot certainly doesn't give you any insight at all.

  2. sleeping seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "They conclude that when a habit interferes with a growing, active life, it should be taken seriously."

    Sleeping really interferes with my active life (because i sleep inactively), so drawing on their conclusion, i should take my sleep seriously!

    What do they mean by that, should i be careful about how/when/why i sleep, could sleeping be bad for me ?
    Maybe they mean lack of sleep could be bad for me, likewise lack of computer time could be bad for me, cause ill be in a foul mood and ill take it out on others.

    In short A STUPID CONCLUSION THAT IS MEANINGLESS

    1. Re:sleeping seriously by keflex · · Score: 0

      You are an idiot

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  3. isolated by technology by rakerman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    E.M. Forster was writing about people isolated by technology in "The Machine Stops", 90 years ago. So it's not a new concept that our machines are isolating us from one another, and that we get addicted to connecting with our gadgets, not with each other.

    1. Re:isolated by technology by lightfoot+jim · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sure all technology, in fact all activities that some people like more than others have the potential to draw us apart. Television however, is just not the same because it can ONLY draw people apart from one another. When I was in my teens I used to spend long, long periods of time playing my guitars, tinkering with amps, etc. That was time I could have spent with my friends and family so I, not with each other suppose you could call that me being isolated by my hobby. However the same hobby also gave me the chance to connect with other people by playing in bands and performing for audiences. The same could be said of computers. Sure, a few hours spent browsing the www are a few hours that a person could be spending with other people, but computers and technology also bring people together in user groups and technology clubs. Television is the exception. Have you ever heard of TV clubs? Remote control users groups? No, and you won't because television viewing is not something people can learn more about from a club. People cannot channel surf cooperativley the same way they could work on a programming project together. TV is inherently an isolating and non-interactive technology.

      we get addicted to connecting with our gadgets, not with each other

      The difference is that we actually "connect" with certain types of gadgets. The type of person who likes to tinker with kernel source or build electronics projects in the garage or just play tetris all day long may well display what could be called an addiction. But these types of activities are addisting because they stimulate the person who engages in them. Generally, I'd call the desire to be stimulated a healthy one.

      Television is the only addictive technology I know of that has all the charasteristics of a depressant, or a numbing agent.There is hardly any interaction or connection between the viewer and the tv like there is between a person with a soldering iron and a do-it-yourself oscilloscope kit or what have you. When people choose to watch tv for hours on end, they are chosing to experience effects not at all unlike the use of a depressant drug, lulling their minds away from reality. Is it really so healthy for a person to want that? I'd have to say no.

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    2. Re:isolated by technology by Knunov · · Score: 2

      "...we get addicted to connecting with our gadgets, not with each other."

      My computer is infinitely more interesting than my brother.

      Knunov

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    3. Re:isolated by technology by SimplyCosmic · · Score: 2

      "Have you ever heard of TV clubs?

      No, but I've seen many fan clubs, organizations, web sites and forums for individual shows.

    4. Re:isolated by technology by OsCarJ · · Score: 1

      There is hardly any interaction or connection between the viewer and the tv

      I've often wondered if there is any difference in reactions to TV from people who grew up with a remote control. In my experience their viewing seems to be less passive than older people. Can channel surfing be considered interactive or is it just trying to get more of that "orienting response" like the proverbial rat pushing the button until it starves?

      The article seems to imply that there is no difference but a lot of my viewing tends to be more critical. Making fun of commercials, flipping channels. Granted, I will occasionally just zone in front of the idiot box but that usually puts me to sleep.

      Would Beavis and Butthead be more immune to the addicting effects of television? Douglas Rushkoff touches on this in Media Virus but I'm not familliar with any scientific studies on the difference in viewing habits between age groups.

      Time for a Google search I guess.

    5. Re:isolated by technology by lightfoot+jim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't doubt it. There is a difference between watching tv and watching a tv show. When a person decides to watch a tv show, that's 30 minutes to an hour that the person has planned. When a person sits down to watch tv and channel surfs all afternoon, that's a period of time the person has made the choice to forego planning of one's activities in deference to programming schedulers.

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    6. Re:isolated by technology by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 2

      Television however, is just not the same because it can ONLY draw people apart from one another.

      This point is ridiculous. Television and movies are hobbies too and as such, they bring people together. I have spent countless hours laughing with my friends about episodes of Seinfeld or Futurama after the show/episode had been long gone. I have used movie/tv quotes as a reference that everyone is familiar with when I can see a parallel between real life situations and tv ones. Basically, tv has aided me in starting and continuing conversations with real people. It's given me something to talk about on more occassions than one as, I'm sure, has your playing guitar and tinkering with amps.

      If you take away every "addicting" hobby the world, it's people, and their conversations will be really boring.

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    7. Re:isolated by technology by kmellis · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I'm an introvert. How do researchers calculate a "healthy" amount of social interaction? A great many productive people that have made important contributions to science and art have been extreme introverts. You can't really define a certain amount of TV watching as harmful for everyone (I mean in the "addiction" range, not the merely physiological) in the same way that you can't define a certain amount of alcohol consumption as harmful for everyone. Someone can be a heavy drinker and not have it impair their life in any way, and another person may drink relatively little but have a very harmful addiction. It's a problem when it's a problem. This is the objection I have against all of these sorts of studies.

      I've just discovered that TV can be helpful. I'm a 37 year old tech professional who's watched very little television. I can go months without watching even a single television program. But I have always had a severe problem with depression, and I also don't like to live alone. I may not always want to talk with other people, but I like them around.

      Well, my partner made a big life decision and moved away and started school at my alma mater. I'm alone, and I'm damn lonely.

      I don't work, as I am one of the luckier beneficaries of the internet bubble. I live off of my investments. So I spend most of my waking time either reading or online. I don't "surf" the web, my activity is almost exclusively reading current news and opinion journals, and researching some topic or another that catches my attention. I'm extremely curious, and an autodidact by nature. This keeps me busy, but it doesn't satisfy my lonliness.

      A couple of weeks ago I ventured out into the living room and, just for the hell of it, turned on the TV. Even though I almost never watch TV, I have digital cable on the premise that since I'm so picky, I need a large number of choices to find anything worth watching.

      I watched a few shows (reruns of "Buffy", actually, which I've kinda got turned on to), and I noticed that I felt less lonely. I wondered why that was. It's not as if I interacted with anyone -- I interact with other people online.

      But it occured to me for the first time in life that maybe, just maybe, humans have a basic need to hear, and even better, see other humans. TV satisfies that where all of the other things I do (like reading) don't. I really understand now why lonely people spend so much time in front of the television.

      You're not getting that much from it, though, and that matters. It's extremely passive. That can't be good.

      But I've been watching a couple hours of TV a day, and it's helped my mood. Within moderation, I think that its unique kind of stimulation may be healthy.

    8. Re:isolated by technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But it occured to me for the first time in life that maybe, just maybe, humans have a basic need to hear, and even better, see other humans.

      So go to the park / airport / shopping mall and peoplewatch.

    9. Re:isolated by technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When a person decides to watch a tv show, that's 30 minutes to an hour that the person has planned. When a person sits down to watch tv and channel surfs all afternoon, that's a period of time the person has made the choice to forego planning of one's activities in deference to programming schedulers.

      I think more in the gray area is what I did all day yesterday (9am - 2am today): watch tons and tons of anime. I did do it with 3 other people (2 girls, even!), so I suppose it counts as socialization of sorts (we did other stuff like make cookies and decorate them). OTOH, it was an awful lot of watching. Oh, well, I don't do that too often.

    10. Re:isolated by technology by limekiller4 · · Score: 1

      kmellis writes:
      But I've been watching a couple hours of TV a day, and it's helped my mood. Within moderation, I think that its unique kind of stimulation may be healthy.

      "A couple of hours" and "within moderation", IMO, seem to contradict each other.

      I am not trying to bludgeon you with a high horse. This just strikes me as odd.

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      Limekiller
    11. Re:isolated by technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Television however...can ONLY draw people apart from one another"

      Too be honest my first sexual encounters with my two longest relationships (including my current wife) started with us sitting in front of the idiot box. I guess it was a combination of the snuggling and wanting to do something more fun that watching TV. ;)

    12. Re:isolated by technology by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      "I spend most of my waking time either reading or online"

      You've gone too far in the other direction where even the imitation of life satisfies your lack of real social interaction. You can't ignore that part of your life and be a balanced person. You'll feel it even if you won't admit it.

      "humans have a basic need to hear, and even better, see other humans"

      Agreed. The problem is that it is a monologue, you are passive in this "interaction". The TV talks to you impersonally and you just sit there.

      Speaking of trying to set averages for everyone. I frequently find myself coming up as "obese" on body fat index calculations even though no one would ever say I was obese. In fact I frequently get complemented on being in good shape (I do a lot of exercising). The problem is that a person as tall, muscular, and as a big build as myself throws off a scale designed around shorter, skinnier people who are the majority. Always take expected or average values in stats with a grain of salt.

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  4. seriously by AA0 · · Score: 1

    I can stop watching it whenever I want to... I just like to watch it constantly and become a massive blob of unfit human waste.

  5. TV? by mESSDan · · Score: 4, Funny

    C'mon, who still watches TV? I'm too busy refreshing Slashdot.

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    1. Re:TV? by Ferrum · · Score: 2, Funny

      Exactly. This Website has weaned me away from television. Now I just have arthritis.

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    2. Re:TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now, when I finally succeed in getting my Konqueror out of /., these little bitchy "news tickers" that I put on my gkrellm just bring me back here!
      Every time, never fails!!!
      Yeah, I might be quite addicted now... 8-)

    3. Re:TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [C'mon, who still watches TV? I'm too busy refreshing Slashdot.]

      I know what you mean. It's kind of a shame that even with all this hottt refreshing action, so few people bother going to the second page of comments, thus ensuring that nobody will see this unless someone spams the first page of comments with a link to it.

      And now I must go drink my face off. Good day.

  6. I Don't watch TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad I kicked the habit of watching TV. I only surf the net and read Slashdot nowadays.

  7. Addiction bad. by quartz · · Score: 1

    Television adiction does indeed suck. I used to be addicted until about 4 years ago, when I finally said "enough" and sold my TV set. Now that I don't watch TV any more I have lots and lots of free time to spend on my web browsing addiction. :)

    1. Re:Addiction bad. by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not convinced that it's really addictive though. When I have access to a TV, I watch it far too much. When I don't, I don't miss it at all, and I've gone as much as a year without watching any measurable amount of TV, and with no side effects due to withdrawal.

  8. There is definitely some truth to this by aethera · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The article argues that it the changes in sound, rapid changes in images, fast cuts, etc. cause an instictive fight or flight alert response in the viewer which results in elevated levels of certain chemicals in the brain. Makes sense, in the wild, if you detected a sudden movement or change you would respond with heightened alertness. It seems television mimics this effect, and we can get hooked on the stimulation.

    I know that tossing my TV was one of the best things I've ever done. No more mind-numbing hours in front of the tube soaking up ads from corporations I really don't like, no more seeing fake images of how I should like and behave and waste money. And best of all, spending more real *quality* time with my girlfriend, getting outside, even posting to slahdot.

  9. Very Seriously!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...when a habit interferes with a growing, active life, it should be taken seriously."

    I take my masturbation very seriously.

    1. Re:Very Seriously!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, not all of us are fortunate enough to have 'growing, active lives.' Sometimes you just end up a miserable failure and you have to do what you can to maintain your sanity so you can go to your horrible job everyday and provide for your accidental family without losing your mind and knifing your boss in the eye.

      "Oh, boo-hoo, I cant go rock climbing, or look like a model cuz I'm watching TV". Well, sometimes you have to spend your free time numbing the pain and silencing the demons with drugs and TV.

      My point is: self-actualization is not for everyone. Some people are just too broken, mentally and/or physically to do better. Don't chastise them; rather pity them. We cant all be golden gods; many of us end up on the fringe.

    2. Re:Very Seriously!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My point is: self-actualization is not for everyone"

      Yah, AIM HIGH!!!!

  10. growing, active life? by bobalu · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but what about mine?

    And do they take into account the unbridled joy of finding the whole "Rat Patrol" series on tape? Hmmm?
    I thought not.

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  12. Also in the news... by garoush · · Score: 1, Troll

    Scientists have discovered the shocking truth of yet another new generation X addiction that is becoming a huge phenomenal. Submitting, posting, replying, moderating, meta-moderating are just some of the elements that /. community are known to be addicted to.

    What is even worse is that the study did not see any end in sight to this new trend as more addicts keep purring into the /. community. Every effort to remedy /. addict resulted with disappointments -- even Free Sex (as in free bear) was hopeless.

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    1. Re:Also in the news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >"even Free Sex (as in free bear) was hopeless"

      Are you suggesting we have sex with bears?

    2. Re:Also in the news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      free bear? does that come with some free fish or berries to feed that bear? Oh well I'm not all that much into bestiality anyways.

  13. Think this is interesting? by smokin_juan · · Score: 1

    Disinformation did a similar article in May... Check it out -
    http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id1149/pg1/

  14. Article? Text? by SEWilco · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't this story available on the Discovery Channel or some TV show?

  15. Tivo by IceFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was a tv addict. Even though we didn't get cable back just a few years I would sit down and watch whatever was on and when it was done I would watch what was on next. It didn't have too be good, just on (ok, maybe not football, but that is about it). Out of the 5 channels I would find the "best" show and watch it. I was distructive and time wasting. When someone else was watching tv I would sit down and watch. The tv would just draw me over. It really stinked. When I went off to RIT I didn't bring a tv, life was good and I learned a lot and worked on projects. When moving into a new home with a few other guys for the year I found one of them bringing a tv, but not only a tv, but a tivo! I thought I was in for it, but to my surprise found just the other way around. With tivo I rarely ever view actual tv when it is on. When I had some free time I would turn it on and see what was in the lineup. These 10 shows that we all liked and only these 10 shows would be listed. I would watch 1 and when the show was over it didn't continue over to the next show on that station, but brought you back to the menu. There I was able to asses what I had to do and if something was more important I would turn off the tv knowing it would all be there for me later. There are two factors to this that halped me. First being when the show was over it was _over_. Second being that I didn't have to stay around and watch the 10 oclock news to see the top story of xyz sense I knew that tivo would record it and if I could see it when I had the time (and only the 2 minute story that I wanted to see, deleting it after that).

    To sum up I moved out of that house and recently found a store shelf tivo as the local circut city for $50. You can guess that I walked out the door with a grin that day.

    -Benjamin Meyer

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    1. Re:Tivo by IceFox · · Score: 2

      Hmmm, no. At my highschool football was a big thing. The coach was paid 107K a year. They would go to the finals. We had a nice huge stadium style field. One year when they went to the superbowl the school was *required* to go to a pep-rally for the team during the school hours. Meanwhile when the math team go the chance to go to the internation competition they couldn't get the change to fly there and had to forfit. For all of these reasons and many other high-school football releated things I am anti-football.

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    2. Re:Tivo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TiVo does indeed have some very positive qualities. I'm addicted to a particular online forum where people discuss the magical box:

      TiVo Community Forum over at the AVS Forums

      Do you DirecTiVo or SA TiVo?

    3. Re:Tivo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with the anti-football thing. It is a very lame sport. But simple minds seem to like it.

    4. Re:Tivo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      football is about making good soldiers. it has its uses.

  16. On the article and my TV by nyquist_theorem · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quite an interesting article - for me, my family was never much into TV, but I always had friends whose families were. I still have memories of seeing an entire family gathered around a TV, staring blankly into it as Jeopardy or The Price Is Right would blare into their skulls... zero conversation, dinner plates on their laps... yikes.

    I routinely go without TV - I just moved to a new country in August and only plugged my TV in Sept. 11th at the urgent insisting of a friend's IM.

    Wondering if anyone else has comments or similar preferences, for I never thought about it before I read this article - I have zero interest in "pre-produced" TV shows. Virtually everything I watch is either live, (ie the news), or more commonly what I would call non-produced or underproduced footage: auto and bike racing on Speedvision, Cops, America's most Inbred Drunk Drivers, When Ex-Girlfriends Attack, TLC / Disco channel etc etc...

    Of course for the amount of time I spent online... I'm almost tempted to read that Katz article... no wait somebody slap me.

    .

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    1. Re:On the article and my TV by RFC959 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Hey, Jeopardy looks like a PhD thesis defense compared to some of the newer game shows on TV. I don't own a TV anymore, but last night I was over at my girlfriend's, and I figured I'd watch a bit of "The Chamber". It was disgusting. Not so much the "watch the wretched sod in the chamber suffer" part as the questions. The questions were pukable. The entire show was one long questionnaire on how well you absorbed advertising. Actual questions: Who's been named as People magazine's "Sexiest Man Alive"? What flavor is added to Pepsi to make it Pepsi Twist? What fast-food chain uses Joe Schmoe's weight loss in its ad campaigns?

      Now I feel nauseated that I've actually wasted brain cells on remembering this stuff.

  17. not really a drug by heideggier · · Score: 3, Interesting
    TV isn't really a drug, but rather a psycological addiction, I think that this article is mistaken in this regard (or at least the impression I got from reading it), if a person spends a large amount of time in front of the box it is due to other problems that this person in having and not directly related to the TV itself.

    Personally, I feel that the greater problem is that people tend to objectilfy stuff which they see on TV with their own personal life, I think due to the nature of the medium. For example it is not uncommon today to see parents watching their childen playing, a situation unheard of years ago, the only reason for the emergence of this pattern is that such people have become scared of the peadofile, or kidnapper, becasue of news reports or whatever. However the chances of any misadventure are so small, that it is not worth depriveing childen of some freedom in their childhood and the resulting psycological damage. If you don't like that example imagine all the people who stopped reading all their mail with that Antrax scare a few months back. None of this is helped by the people who report the news.

    This has greater context if you consider question's like, "would America pulled out of WWII if CNN had been on omenha beach"

    I would love to chuck out all the tv's tomorrow if only to prevent this nation becoming a land of hysterics unable to walk down the street lest the sky fall on their head. Or worst, Apathic to any change in their life.

    To me TV represents, what Sartre called bad faith, being a force of objectification with the final aim being the disinfrancement of the human sprite. Without the pretension: A mild form of conditioning, and this is the far greater harm then any concerns of health.

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    1. Re:not really a drug by Lord+of+Caustic+Soda · · Score: 1

      Mass hysteria happen so long people are capable of communicating and influencing each other, how TV can be singled out from books, radio, newspaper etc can only be explained by misguided elitism (and really there is nothing to be proud of not watching TV, I wonder if similar sentiments were voiced back in the radio days).

      I leave my TV on pretty much all the time - so that any fraction of free time during web surfing/programming will hopefully be filled up by whatever is on.

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    2. Re:not really a drug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [how TV can be singled out from books, radio, newspaper etc can only be explained by misguided elitism]

      Quoth the article:

      ((They say they have more difficulty concentrating after viewing than before. In contrast, they rarely indicate such difficulty after reading. After playing sports or engaging in hobbies, people report improvements in mood. After watching TV, people's moods are about the same or worse than before.))

      That's just one of a few reasons TV can be singled out from books & newspapers. There are other sections that talk about attention-getting methods that TV uses that do not apply to radio (visual effects).

    3. Re:not really a drug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Mass hysteria happen so long people are capable of communicating and influencing each other, how TV can be singled out from books, radio, newspaper etc can only be explained by misguided elitism

      Horseshit. As the article explains, watching television has very different neurological effects from reading.

      In short, you're in denial.

  18. heidegg*i*er? by Crapflooder · · Score: 0

    It's H-E-I-D-E-G-G-E-R you moron. Martin Heidegger. And he was a German philosopher who supported the Nazis. You are insulting Sartre by quoting him while logged in as such a UID.

    1. Re:heidegg*i*er? by heideggier · · Score: 0
      I know, but heidegger was already taken, plus they are both of the same school of thought, bad faith relates to the loss of dasein in the they-self and it resulting fall due to the condition of care brought on by the death of others. Demonstrating how much influence Heidegger had over Sartre

      Neitzsche was also, by you defination a Nazie.

      But, hey, by all means go and get your copy of Being and Time, and post passages form it to explain his political leanings, may I surggest the chapther "the worldhood of the the world" (this being the one people like you always jump too).

      Let the philosophical flamefest begin.

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    2. Re:heidegg*i*er? by heideggier · · Score: 0

      And Emmanuel Levinas, who was a student of Heidegger, whoes work included "Totality and Infinity", was himself jewish.

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  19. Finally! by cavemanf16 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Ok, look, I don't appreciate the crapfloods and "Jon Katz is gay" posts any more than the rest of you, but for once the trolls are so damn funny and ONTOPIC in this discussion it's just wonderful!

    For instance: This post by an AC is just too damn funny. At first it looks like: "Oh wow, good for you, now shutup." But then you notice it's by an AC and you think, "Haha! Non-TV owning elitists who brag about it ARE about as useful as an Anonymous Coward post."

    Or take this post for example. Barely has anything to do with the article topic, but since the topic is so -1 Redundant anyways, this just makes me laugh!

    Lastly, we've got this scathing comment that bashes on the whole premise of this article and consequential discussion on slashdot.

    The point is, who cares? You don't own a TV, great for you! Now quit wasting your time telling everyone and go back to reading the newspaper. I don't care. The last comment was probably the best. Just insert "Slashdot, sex, alcohol, or your favorite 'no-no' in all the places they have the appreviation 'TV' in the article, and resubmit this about a month later. This isn't news, it's not for nerds, geeks, or trolls, and it certainly hasn't benefitted my life, as it is common sense to everyone and their grandmother that any addiction taken too far is negative.

    I rate this slashdot discussion: -1 Redundant.

  20. TV is seasonal for me by MKalus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I tend to watch more TV in the winter, depending on what is happening "in Town"

    I think TV addiction is a pretty clear problem in Suburbs, ever drove through one in the early evening? There is nothing going on there, you don't see anyone on the street, nothing.

    For me, TV becomes less and less " a problem" great, so i have some time to watch Enterprise? I watch it, I am out ? Oh well, sometime they show a re-run.

    I think TV addiction exists, but I am not so sure that the TV alone is at fault. There are some interresting books out there relating certain behaviour to where you live, and quite frankly after reading this I cannot see myself ever move away from a big city into the suburbs. (And yes, I HATE suburbia, maybe because I moved from Europe to North America).

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  21. Commercials by imuffin · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Sometimes the memory of the product is very subtle. Many ads today are deliberately oblique: they have an engaging story line, but it is hard to tell what they are trying to sell. Afterward you may not remember the product consciously. Yet advertisers believe that if they have gotten your attention, when you later go to the store you will feel better or more comfortable with a given product because you have a vague recollection of having heard of it.

    This is interesting. Has anyone else noticed the trend lately of commercials doing this? Advertisers will pay gobs and gobs of money for a 30 second spot, and then only mention the name of the product in the last few seconds of the spot. After viewing some of these commercials, I find myself thinking, "Wow, that was neat. What was being advertised?"

    I only spend an hour or two a week watching television, but I tend to find the commercials at least as interesting as the "content." There's almost certainly more money spent on them...

    1. Re:Commercials by thogard · · Score: 1

      years ago Oral-b had a comerical where they had a loud buzzing sound. At first it wasn't too bad but it quickly was changed to a very loud buzzong sound and my reaction was to jump for the remote control.

      yesterday I was buying a new toothbrush. I didn't pick oral-B.

      Remember an advertisings compaines job is to sell their product, not your product.

      Sometimes advertisers get what they pay for :-)

  22. Page-clearing post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  23. Of course by Jennifer+Ever · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What constitutes a "growing, active life" is up to society. Likewise, habit is defined the same way. I spend 8 hours a day in front of a flickering box myself--but it's called work, and by society's definition, is probably part of a growing, active life. TV addiction? Yeah, whatever. Defined by people addicted to their own intellectualism--how much credit can you give it? It's not that I don't agree--I do. I'm sure some people watch more TV than they should. But addiction in general? It's human nature--we just put a friendly face on the vice that we like. TV, internet, pornography, drugs, religion, jobs, morality--eventually we'll have a disorder for everything.

    1. Re:Of course by Elias+Ross · · Score: 3, Insightful


      You can be addicted to anything, including work, sex, health food, doing dishes, volunteering, sleeping, walking, etc. Almost anything can be used to avoid dealing with unpleasant emotions or situations. Addiction not about how much you use something, or what you use, or if it is 'physically' addictive, but how it is used.

      The article claims that is TV is being used the same way one might use a narcotic. Care to dispute this?

      Of course humans have a disorder for everything: They uncannily find new 'substances' to abuse. The easier people can justify their behavior, the more indignant they feel when people point it out. (Yeah, people use religious thought to avoid the unpleasant fear of dying. Ever try to pursade a Christian to think otherwise?)

      I'm sure you can make a list for almost any activity an average person does during the day, and you can find a 'disorder' for each of them. Sleeping, eating, cleaning, working, drinking, studying, etc.

      I can't belive such a retarded post made it to a 5. Hey Jennifer, have you graduated high school yet? Did you read the article? Did you have to write this post to slam 'intellectuals' for giving you the bad news?

    2. Re:Of course by Jennifer+Ever · · Score: 1

      Half-truths tend to be amusing.

    3. Re:Of course by easter1916 · · Score: 1

      Tits out for the lads!

  24. The solution to all this... by Colin+Bayer · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think I've once and for all found the secret to breaking TV addiction, and it is...

    Ooh, The Simpsons is on! bbl.

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    1. Re:The solution to all this... by BinxBolling · · Score: 1

      You joke about 'The Simpsons', but: A few years ago, I moved into my own place. I didn't own a television at the time. Previously, I'd watched my roommates' TV. I knew from previous experience that I got more done without a TV around, so I figured I'd not buy one of my own.

      It was around 5pm on sunday evening that I finished with the move. And I thought to myself: "You know, 'The Simpsons' will be coming on in a couple of hours." And the thought of missing the show was so unpleasant to me that I drove to the store right then and bought a small set.

  25. What, no snide comments from Taco? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usually, whenever Matt Drudge is mentioned, Taco has to chime in about how Drudge is *soooo* inaccurate (as if Taco has any fucking room to talk).

  26. Mod Parent Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a chick (or at least pretending to be one), and you haven't said anything particularly offensive, so +5 for you!

  27. Re:paedophile, not peadophile by heideggier · · Score: 0

    man, RSI really catches up with you, ill try to improve my typing just for you guys

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  28. Don't goto that EARL: goatsex redirect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sea subjekt

  29. Re:BREAKING NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if you weren't a fan of his shady accounting practices, you have to acknowledge the impact he had on the US economy. Truly an American icon.

  30. But what about chess addiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    chess addiction is a major problem too. We must stop
    chess addiction!

  31. off topic warning by Theodore+Logan · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Neitzsche was also, by you defination a Nazie.

    Ridiculous. Heidegger was a nazi, that is beyond all doubt. He was, for Christ's sake, even one of the few nazis who did never admit being mistaken. He stood firm till his death in 1974. Nietzsche, on the other hand, was everything but a nazi. His ideas about the ubermensch are among the most misunderstood in the history of philosophy. Besides it was his sister who suited his philosophy to nazism long after his death.

    Besides, I don't buy your crap about taking "Heideggier" as "Heidegger" was already taken. Why not? You obviously couln't spell N-I-E-T-Z-S-C-H-E either.

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    1. Re:off topic warning by heideggier · · Score: 0
      I didn't take offense to Heidegger being called a Nazis, which he was, but rather that this dude was saying, I was insulting the name of Sartre while having heideggier as my UID which is BS.

      The reason for this is that Sartre was a follower of Heidegger, ie, his "being and nothingness" to "being and nothingness" etc etc.

      In response I said, go and read Heidegger and post the passage that proves that he was a Nazis, In "being and time" Christ I even gave him a chapter where to start.

      Unlike, a lot of things, you have to read these people and draw your own view, unlike this guy who was just trying to flame me 'cause of something he had read in a crib note somewhere or some typo's, and that gave me the shit's. I also thought that it it showed a lot of the bullying that seems present of slashdot these days, In which people nitpick the most minor points of a post as a excuse to mod them down. I'm not to fond of poser's thats all. If he could demonstrate the he had studied the guy at some point then I'll take it back

      Also, inrelation to Nietzsche I've never been really convinced that he didn't have at least some nazi leaning's, but that was later in his life when he when mad, read Ecce Humo so I guess we will never know. However, I was impressed that he picked up on the error all the same.

      At the end of the day who cares anyway, I'm ok your ok.

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    2. Re:off topic warning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Also, inrelation to Nietzsche I've never been really convinced that he didn't have at least some nazi leaning's

      Considering his utter contempt for anti-semitism and for conformity, you're nuts.

  32. Emmanuel Levinas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    He also played a little black kid on "Webster"

  33. It's the REMOTE not the TV by filtersweep · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, the sky is not falling... as I sit here with my 500+ channels of digital cable (and still usually end up watching Law & Order or the History Channel [have you seen all that new color WWII footage?]) while surfing on DSL.

    I think the real issue is that people today have too much control over their stimuli- channel surfing and web surfing.... if you don't like what you see, change is only one click away. Unfortunately reality doesn't exactly work that way.

    I look at the number of kids today who are diagnosed with Oppositional Defiant Disorder, and aside from the toxic parenting these kids endured, the kids' poor coping skills are arguable reinforced by the infinite options they are given when "surfing" whatever they are viewing. Most parents end up NOT giving the kid an "option" whether to "clean their rooms" or whatever simple task, and the entire household explodes for an evening of a police visit, a possible fifth degree domestic assault, and a trip to a shelter for some kid. This happens all the time in surburbs all over the place. (I moonlight in emergency social services with the County- so this is first hand info.).

    I haven't even mentioned ADD or ADHD- two diagnoses that I feel are more or less environmentally conditioned- but that would take us way off-topic. But both "attention" disorders could as easily be characterized as involving kids who have the ability to pay close attention to what they "choose" to pay attention to- they simply lack skills to pay attention to what they are "required" to (such as authority, teachers, etc.).

    I really believe technology changes the way the mind operates. On a grand scale, we certainly feel more connected to the world at large with air travel, international long-distance, email, cable TV, etc... vs. living on a "flat world" with an ocean that extends infinitely filled with sea monsters. On a smaller level, I've lost my capacity to easily remember phone numbers in the days of speed dial, my cell phone that holds hundreds of numbers, and five times as many local area codes to keep track of.

    Getting back to TV- watch some old movie on TCM... it is like watching a play. Each scene can last for several minutes before there is a cut, and shadows are often projected on the wall behind the actors. These movies really stand out as being "staged" compared to an MTV video where I'm lucky to catch a camera shot that lasts more then two seconds- even though many videos are literally shot on a stage. It seriously would not surprise me if this affects how we think and process the world- it is almost digital vs. analog- that we receive the world in a billion still images vs. drawn out and linear. Movies use jumbled time... beginnings/middles/ends have lost their meaning. In personal relationships, people often start out in what would once be considered the middle of a relationship.... courtship is either redefined or non-existent, depending on your definitions. I could go on and on.

    Whether there is any causality here is open to debate- but if you believe at the very least that TV/media gives people what they want, it definitely has changed over the last 40 years.

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    1. Re:It's the REMOTE not the TV by Lord+of+the+Files · · Score: 2

      Note on ADHD. It's not about only paying attention to what you choose to. It's well described as the lack of ability to choose what to pay attention to. In other words kids with ADHD can concentrate. They just can't choose to concentrate. If they concentrate it happens on it's own.

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  34. Relevance ? by doru · · Score: 1
    The question that naturally arises is: In which direction does the correlation go? Do people turn to TV because of boredom and loneliness, or does TV viewing make people more susceptible to boredom and loneliness? We and most other researchers argue that the former is generally the case, but it is not a simple case of either/or.

    They glossed over this in just one paragraph... although they declare they argue that the former is generally the case, the article insists heavily upon the second alternative; I do not find their reasoning very convincing. Even the experiments on "TV deprivation" are inconclusive: people needing a distraction from their daily toil are likely to be uncomfortable and maybe even violent when this is taken from them. In this sense, we are all addicted to entertainment, but not necessarily to a specific entertainment.

    The second part, concerning video games and computers, seems to me even more questionable. For instance, I fail to see the connection between "addiction" and the cases of "optically stimulated epileptic seizures". It is common knowledge that such seizures can be triggered by intermittent light (for instant when driving by a row of trees) but they have nothing to do with addiction.

  35. multiplayer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Although much less research has been done on video games and computer use, the same principles often apply. The games offer escape and distraction; players quickly learn that they feel better when playing; and so a kind of reinforcement loop develops. The obvious difference from television, however, is the interactivity. Many video and computer games minutely increase in difficulty along with the increasing ability of the player. One can search for months to find another tennis or chess player of comparable ability, but programmed games can immediately provide a near-perfect match of challenge to skill. They offer the psychic pleasure--what one of us (Csikszentmihalyi) has called "flow"--that accompanies increased mastery of most any human endeavor. On the other hand, prolonged activation of the orienting response can wear players out. Kids report feeling tired, dizzy and nauseated after long sessions.

    This paragraph makes sense for any single player game, but I question it's validity for multiplayer games like counter-strike, the quake-based multiplayers like q3a and rtcw and even diablo2 and everquest.

    The difficulty level is set by your peers and is not a "minute" increase. LAN Partys, OGL and like present a ceaseless range of new challengers.

  36. Pokemon by SPrintF · · Score: 1
    One error in the article: the Pokemon video game, in its many flavors, was not responsible for the "seizure" event. This actually occured during an airing of one of the television series episodes. See snopes for the details.

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  37. erf by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 3
    when a habit interferes with a growing, active life, it should be taken seriously.


    What's the definition of interferring with a growing active life? Instead of hitting the pub after work, I usually go straight home and work on one of my many silly projects. On weekends I take a break from my projects and play video games. I hang out with my friends maybe once a week, maybe less. My hobbies are programming (silly projects) and video games. I'm happy. Does that mean I'm addicted and should be weaned off? Says who?
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    1. Re:erf by Elias+Ross · · Score: 1


      You are only addicted if you want to get a girlfiend, for example, and instead of pursuing that goal, you spend all your time working on your projects. Hobbies are addictive when you are using them to try to avoid feelings of depression, lonliness, rejection, low-self esteem, etc.

      A lot of us nerds use hobbies to isolate themselves, despite feeling deep down a want of companionship. That kind of non-progressive activity is what's being discussed.

    2. Re:erf by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 1

      Ooooooooooooh, ok...

      thanks for the clarification.

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    3. Re:erf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Addiction is also a sense that you want to stop doing something but find you can't. "I wish I didn't watch so much TV but I can't help turning it on."

  38. Why TV makes you mad, sick, fat and stupid... by parabyte · · Score: 4, Informative
    I saw ironically in a feature on German TV about ten years ago. There they had shown much more severe research results about how watching TV harms your health:

    It causes overweight not only because you don't move around, but it slows down metabolism while it makes you feel hungry and lets you eat tons of snacks while not beeing aware of it (->fat)

    While your body goes into a sleep-like state, you feel very exhausted after long TV sessions; this really wrecks havoc on your immune system(->sick)

    Watching TV before sleep forces your brain's nightly garbage collection to work on what you have seen on TV instead on your real life experiences, with negative effects on decision making and dealing with real life problems, up to causing serious mental diseases(->mad)

    Watching TV makes the parts of you brain responsible for controlling your motion wither, which is known to negatively affect your intellectual capabilities (->stupid)

    And finally the incredible amount of trash transmitted over U.S. TV can not have any positive effects on the spectator, and all this is regularily interrupted with a mixture of ads, many of them using sophisticated techniques to manipulate your mind. (I can not stand a U.S. TV program for more than a couple of minutes because among other things I am not used to these frequent breaks; it makes me so agressive that I have to switch it off)

    I hope that one day the people responsible for this lunacy will have to pay for it.

    p.

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    1. Re:Why TV makes you mad, sick, fat and stupid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...I am not used to these frequent breaks..."

      I especially hate it when you are watching something, say like "The Holocaust" and after 10 minutes of horrible stories you are then inflicted with 5 minutes of bubbly suburbanites practically having orgasms over Disneyworld or floor wax. The contrast is disgusting sometimes.

  39. I had to give it up. by coldtone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I did a little math just before new years. I watched about 4 - 5 hours a day (That's 3 - 4 on a weeknight and about 6-7 on Saturday and Sunday).
    I've been doing this since I was about 10. (My parents never stopped me) And now I'm 28.
    So that's 4.5 Hours x 7 days x 52 weeks x 18 years.
    That's 29484 Hours or 3.36 Years of my life. An entire 12% of my entire life!
    So I decided that I would cut it out till June. And give it a rest. Man it's hard. The first thing I realized was the reflex that I had developed. Come home sit and watch. Wake up sit and watch.

    But the biggest thing was the amount of time I had. I always wondered how people find the time to keep there place sparkling clean, stay in shape, pack a lunch for work, and become good at sports.

    Another thing that I think TV does, when TV is you primary source of entertainment and social interaction it warps the mind. TV lets you hand out with hot chicks, go on a thrilling adventure, and fall in love. You begin to believe (subconsciously) that you really do have a relationship to these people. It tricks the mind into believing that you are a smart, good looking, intelligent person with a ton of interesting friends and stories.

    As soon as I pulled the plug I was clear that I was an awkward, quite, unkempt person, with no girlfriend and few friends. But now I can take the new time I have and focus on becoming the person I want to be.

    Well I'd like to end on a positive not, but I would be lying if all you had to do was pull the plug to fix your life. No all pulling the plug does is show you how much work lies ahead of you. Its going to be a long time before I can change my life so that I don't miss TV.

    1. Re:I had to give it up. by msheppard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's 12% of your active life, but more like 19% of your waking life, and if you count work/school as another third your looking at 36% of your FREE TIME (article says Leisure Time.)

      So more than one third of the time you have an easy CHOICE on how to spend it, and your blowing one out of every three hours watching Jerry Springer.

      BTW: As the Simpsons' activly parodies itself, it does not count.

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    2. Re:I had to give it up. by Ralph+Malph+Alpha · · Score: 0

      TV lets you hand out with hot chicks, go on a thrilling adventure, and fall in love.

      Damn, that sounds like one great TV show. Hey, I feel like handing it out to some hot chicks too, what channel is it on.

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    3. Re:I had to give it up. by mttlg · · Score: 2
      So I decided that I would cut it out till June. And give it a rest. Man it's hard. The first thing I realized was the reflex that I had developed. Come home sit and watch. Wake up sit and watch.

      You might be going about it the wrong way. Instead of trying to stop watching TV, start doing something else. It sounds like you were just using it to kill time, so it should be fairly low on your list of priorities. If you want to get by without it, just find something else to do. Build furniture, learn about photography, refine your typing skills, start an exercise routine, write about the decline of modern civilization - just do something, anything. You might be amazed at how quickly time moves when it isn't metered out by commercial breaks. You don't even necessarily need to keep the TV off, just keep your mind occupied with something else.

      Another thing that I think TV does, when TV is you primary source of entertainment and social interaction it warps the mind. TV lets you hand out with hot chicks, go on a thrilling adventure, and fall in love. You begin to believe (subconsciously) that you really do have a relationship to these people. It tricks the mind into believing that you are a smart, good looking, intelligent person with a ton of interesting friends and stories.

      Either you bought your TV from your friendly neighborhood covert brainwashing clinic, or a significant part of the problem was with you. The TV just provides you with information (and fairly passive information in the case you describe), it does not instruct you in how to process that information. Your experience may have been a symptom of a more serious problem, and you should seriously consider therapy. Pulling the plug on the TV may have been a short term solution, but it does not address the underlying problem.

    4. Re:I had to give it up. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Why do you recommend doing other activities but then apologize for TV and also recommend keeping it on in the background? If you aren't watching it TURN IT OFF! The article (and many comments on /.) specifically state that they are constantly distracted by a TV nearby.

      The TV inteferes with your time and ability to use it in the first place. How can you address issues if you simply don't have the time to do so? TV doesn't give you commands but it occupies your brain so you can't give it any either. Turning it off was the best thing he could've done. It isn't the ultimate solution but it sure is a big part of the problem.

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    5. Re:I had to give it up. by mttlg · · Score: 2
      Where, oh, where to begin...

      Why do you recommend doing other activities

      So far so good...

      but then apologize for TV

      Um, where did I apologize for TV? I simply pointed out that the problems he attributed to TV were not completely due to the TV itself. In reality, things are rarely all-or-nothing - there are usually multiple areas of concern, and focusing on only one and ignoring the others is not a good thing to do.

      and also recommend keeping it on in the background?

      For you, I would suggest reading comprehension classes. I stated that it was not absolutely necessary to turn the TV off; nowhere did I suggest that it was a better idea to leave it on. The important part was focusing your mind elsewhere - again, blaming the TV and ignoring the mind is the wrong way to think.

      If you aren't watching it TURN IT OFF! The article (and many comments on /.) specifically state that they are constantly distracted by a TV nearby.

      I can have a TV on right next to me and completely ignore it if I am occupied with something else, sometimes even when I am very interested in what is on. If you are easily distracted by a TV, turning it off may do nothing more than open you to other distractions. The important part is occupying your mind, which is easily ignored if you just blame the TV. Once you have this part down, it won't matter what the TV is doing.

      The TV inteferes with your time and ability to use it in the first place. How can you address issues if you simply don't have the time to do so? TV doesn't give you commands but it occupies your brain so you can't give it any either.

      Are you really too helpless to defy the will of an electronic picture-box? You don't have to let it control you. Hiding from the problem won't make it go away.

      Turning it off was the best thing he could've done. It isn't the ultimate solution but it sure is a big part of the problem.

      Once again, you assume that "good enough" equals "best." The best thing he could have done would have been to seek professional help. If what he said was true, then he was becoming seriously delusional after watching TV shows. Turning off the TV and noting that the symptoms are no longer present will most likely give him a false sense of security and cause him to stop trying to identify and correct the actual problem. When his problems manifest themselves again, there may not be a quick fix solution available. This is similar to getting a prescription for antibiotics and only taking them until the symptoms go away - in reality you are just getting rid of the easy targets while leaving yourself wide open to the less affected ones.

  40. Poor definition by qweqwe · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Psychologists and psychiatrists formally define substance dependence as a disorder characterized by criteria that include spending a great deal of time using the substance; using it more often than one intends; thinking about reducing use or making repeated unsuccessful efforts to reduce use; giving up important social, family or occupational activities to use it; and reporting withdrawal symptoms when one stops using it.
    Okay, suppose Joe is in an poor famine-ridden country where food is extremely scarce. Let's go through the above definition:
    • "spending a great deal of time using the substance" -- Joe spends a great deal of time trying to find food and eating it, otherwise he'd starve.
    • "using it more often than one intends" -- Joe has better things to do than hunt for food all day, but "he has to." He's hungry!
    • "thinking about reducing use or making repeated unsuccessful efforts to reduce use" He can't stop hunting for food. He'll die if it does.
    • "living up important social, family or occupational activities to use it" eating takes top priority over everything. It's every man for himself
    • "reporting withdrawal symptoms when one stops using it" -- Definitely. He faints and shivers uncontrollable when he doesn't eat

    Is Joe a food addict? By that definition he is. Let's bring Joe to a bountiful country where food is the easiest thing possible to get. Joe doesn't spend much time thinking about food, has a rich social life, and can control what he eats better than most of his neighbours. Is Joe and addict here? By that definition he definitely isn't.
    What changed? The environment. Was Joe *really* a food addict in the famine-ridden country?
    Some very important things are missing from this definition.
    1. Re:Poor definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Some very important things are missing from this definition.]

      Actually, some very important things are missing from your premise - such as the fact that you will die if you don't eat, but you won't die if you don't watch TV.

    2. Re:Poor definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Some very important things are missing from this definition.

      Well, of course. They left out some things, such as the fact that addictions must be acquired. Because they were assuming a reasonable audience that would note the obvious shit like that for themselves. Not a bunch of anal-retentive slashbots eager to find fault so as to dismiss the article and thus avoid thinking about its arguments in relation to their own TV-watching habits.

    3. Re:Poor definition by kmellis · · Score: 1
      I think it's pretty clear that your famine-suffering Joe is not voluntarily spending all his time hunting for food. Would you say that an 19th century factory worker who toiled 14 hours a day for a starvation wage was "addicted" to work? Of course you wouldn't, and of course your starving Joe isn't addicted to food. His time spent hunting is a requirement forced upon him by his environment that satisfies his requirement for nutrition.

      In contrast, an addiction is something that you choose to do in order to relieve a physical or psychological pressure that doesn't solve the problem -- it masks it. Thus, the addiction puts you into a state where you are not actually satisfying your fundmental needs. That's why it's dysfunctional.

    4. Re:Poor definition by markmoss · · Score: 2

      an addiction is something that you choose to do in order to relieve a physical or psychological pressure that doesn't solve the problem -- it masks it. Yes, that's the critical part that was left out of the definition. In regards to TV watching, the research showed various chemical and brainwave changes roughly corresponding to relaxation -- but when the subjects turned the tube off after two hours or more, they soon became _less_ relaxed than before they started. That is, TV's immediate effect seems to solve stress, but if you lose control of the habit it leaves you more stressed out than before. Sounds a lot like heroin to me -- except there are a lot more people who can control their TV urges.

      As for who is in control: Do you turn the TV on for one hour of Buffy and then turn it off, or do you turn the tube on and go looking for something fit to watch, then settle for the barely endurable?

      One final note about starving Joe -- I very much doubt that he finds himself eating more than he intended...

  41. The solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kill your TV.

  42. Time sink by Brian+Stretch · · Score: 2

    Maybe I'm just getting old and aware of the passage of time, but I've wound up whittling down the number of TV shows I watch to a select few and getting nearly all my news from online, my local newspaper, and a magazine. This despite the fact that I have a very nice satellite dish and HDTV PCI card. There's just too many other things I want to do. The TV stays off for many days of the week, and I don't miss it. (Darn the WB and UPN for making decent shows! Even Enterprise has gotten good lately.) What's disturbing is the contrast with the rest of my family, who despite lacking the technotoys I have spend far more time in front of the tube. It's unbelievable how much crap my brother watches.

    This from a guy who's not very sociable.

    Now, take my Internet feed away and I'm going to hurt somebody...

  43. startling short about TV: Evidence by studboy · · Score: 2

    by Godfrey Reggio, one of the genii behind Koyaanisqatsi. It's a 8 min film watching kids watching television!

    I saw part of this without remembering what it was: I was initially disturbed that a movie would make fun of retarded kids! The groups of 3-10 four year olds stared blankly at the camera, mouths often open, swaying gently. Watching children watching television was unnerving, seeing them be still and quiet for many seconds just didnt seem right.

    Evidence is chilling, and quite moving -- go see it.

    1. Re:startling short about TV: Evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for pointing this out. I hope I can see it sometime. Maybe I'll try to get one of the "alternative" movie theaters to play it before some of the regular showings.

  44. yeah.. great.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    talking about tv and online addiction ONLINE, thats like holding an AA meeting at a BAR.

    1. Re:yeah.. great.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [talking about tv and online addiction ONLINE, thats like holding an AA meeting at a BAR.]

      No, it's like holding an AA meeting at an opium den/casino/crack house that sells cigarettes and has a liquor license.

  45. TV addict/Internet addict? by GdoL · · Score: 1
    This is a very interesting article, not only of TV addiction theme but also because it can take us to think about a subject far more familiar to us: computer/internet addiction.

    Personally I don't see much TV, I work +12 hours a day, with a computer and internet.
    When I go home normally I connect to see email, journals, etc. Can we see when this as an addiction or have we changed our TV/newspapers habbits to internet habbits? In this
    article
    (Scientific American-"The Network in Every Room") and in this ("Setting up an All-Linux Wireless LAN
    ") we can see the future of computer connection in every room of our house.

    Will this bring a new generation of Computer addiction, people connected 24 hours, to work, play, to socialize, etc?


    Not so off-topic: I submitted this story a couple of days, and it was rejected a few monutes later, why? There is a editorial position of slashdot or it is the personal taste of the "editor du jour"?

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    ------I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either.------
    1. Re:TV addict/Internet addict? by D_Gr8_BoB · · Score: 2
      I really don't see why everyone compares computers to TV in articles like this. Just because both have a lighted screen doesn't mean the experience is at all similar.

      For the sake of argument, say the top three computer activities are web surfing, chatting, and playing games. Web surfing is essentially reading, which the article mentions early on as an acceptable alternative to TV. Chatting, while clearly not as good as actual face to face interaction, does at least involve some mental involvement, as well as a social element. Game playing probably gets the worst rap of these activities, but even it consists of some sort of intellectual stimulation.

      TV's real problem is that it is a passive medium; the only choice a viewer makes is which channel to watch. Computers, by contrast, are almost completely interactive. Nearly anything a person uses a computer for requires some amount of thought, and for that reason it's really misleading to declare computer use analagous to TV viewing. Even the verb is different - people don't "use TVs" or "watch computers."

    2. Re:TV addict/Internet addict? by GdoL · · Score: 1

      We can see TV as an interactive medium also. When you see TV with more than 1 person, it will eventually turns on a conversation about what you are watching. And when you are with kids its very important to discuss the scenes they watch, see what they get from this. I don't agree with mindless TV or mindless web surfing, we are always getting something, even if it isn't "filtered" by our mind.

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      ------I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either.------
  46. What's to see? by Animats · · Score: 2
    I've never been able to get into watching TV. I don't have one, although I have a monitor/VHS player so I can watch rented videos.

    For some reason, it just doesn't do much for me. I'll watch TV at the gym while exercising, but that's about it. The stuff is so boring. And there are so many commercials.

    1. Re:What's to see? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feeding our elitist ego , aren't we ?

      Trust me, nobody gives a flying fuck about your intellectual pasturing.

  47. 4 args for the elimination of TV by code_rage · · Score: 2
    Jerry Mander (yes that's his real name) wrote an extensively researched book on the evils of TV many years ago. Mander was in the advertising biz, so he knows of what he speaks.

    His arguments for the elimination of TV are grouped under 4 headings:

    • The Mediation of Experience
    • The Colonization of Experience
    • Effects of TV on the Human Being
    • The Inherent Biases of TV

    The citation is:
    Mander, Jerry. Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television, 1978, Quill.
    ISBN 0-688-03274-5 (hbk)
    ISBN 0-688-08274-2 (pbk)
  48. Yay, now they're defining "correct life" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soon our assimilation will be complete.

    Seriously, the people I know who have the biggest problems in life are people who thrive on social activities. These are the ones who play the "keep up with the jonses" game, and are also more involved with our friends: alchohol, tobacco and other Fine Drugs. Financial problems from what I've seen seem to cause people to literally go crazy under stress. Chemicals gone to excess ... they cause other equally bad issues.

    The people who sit and home and watch TV after work, play video games, read, etc. tend to be boring yes, but I've never known them to break under stress quite the same way.

    Yeah it's probably bad if you skip work to watch Oprah, although if you've got the vacation time and choose to use it this way, it's not hurting anyone. It seems to me psychobabblists these days are all EverQuest junkies: it's all about having friends and talking.

    Pahtooey. Friends are OK, but I'd rather have my PS2.

  49. Some of my experiences with the syndication tax! by PotatoHead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One point in the article was right on. Managing your media time is hard at times. Particularly bad times. Escape is easy. This problem is not totally the viewers fault though. A lot of it has to do with how television is structured today.

    Recently I got rid of the Dish Network system in my home. For about 2 months, the family went basically nuts. More fights, and more sleep. After a while, things changed. The kids began to use the computer more for reading, chatting, and of course, games.

    After about a year or so of this, I have noted some real changes. The family in general does more things together, homework is actually getting done, and the kids enjoy sports more and they actually read! (both online and books) We all still like our television, but now everyone has focused on the thing or two that they really want to watch, rather than watching everything all the time. The perception about television has changed for the better.

    As a kid, I did not have cable. Just broadcast television. Watched everything of interest, but also was outdoors a lot, and in front of the computer a lot. A lot like the family is now. Later on when cable became avaliable, I noticed the demands on my time. There was so much to relate to! My viewing went way up, but my enjoyment did not in general. Sure there are good things on cable, but a whole lot of time is spent either choosing, or waiting not actually watching with real interest.

    So there is something to the large number of channels that changes TV for people. You go from the perception that there may be something good on tonght, to a feeling that you are always missing something good. I now know the truth in this. 150 channels means 148 channels full of crap at any one time. Not really any different from broadcast television in the practical sense, but the perception is very different, and that perception changes habits. Hey! it's the syndication tax!

    So to wind this up and go a shade off topic, I miss premium television, but am annoyed by the fact that it is not offered without all the crap. Kind of like a PC without windows. Hard to find.

    Most people here really don't like the idea of pay per view, but in the context of television, it would be a very good thing provided that one would be able to actually choose what they want to view. Producers would have to compete on the merits of what they produce without the filler programming filling in the dead time. I would easily pay the same dollars for some choice as to what comes in and what does not.

    The media companies know this so, pay per view will be added to the endless wave of junket media being pimped right now as the "best in quality home entertainment" or some other equally mind numbing crap, when it could be a vehicle to make TV enjoyable and manageable again.

    Tv is addictive by its very nature. Problem is that the producers exploit this feature rather than actually produce quality programming.

    So for now, I will remain a jaded television consumer looking the TiVo over closely while finding other interesting things to do.

  50. Not much of this applies.... by LadyLucky · · Score: 1
    A Body at Rest Tends to Stay at Rest

    Fortunately, I watch a lot of porn, does that mean I'm OK?

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    dominionrd.blogspot.com - Restaurants on
  51. Computer effects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what about the effects long-term heavy use of the computer and monitor have on our bodies! Pulse rate quickens, eyes get fixated, mental stimulation, dizziness, improper breathing, etc, etc.

  52. Poor Sampling Technique.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ESM method of gathering data (paging people at random times during the day) is one of the most inaccurate measurements psychology uses. Having recently done a study using this technique I can tell you that it produces the laziest, most inconsistant responces of any psychological sampling method I've ever encountered. Take this as your grain of salt.

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    The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste.

  53. Don't put the TV in your main room by fleabag · · Score: 1

    The best move I made was to put the TV in a room that was just for watching the TV. It's at the top of the house, and I have to make a conscious decision to go and watch it. In the winter its pretty cold up there too which is another reason not to stay too long.

    With a TV in your main living area, the temptation to check out what's on is overwhelming. Switch it on - and suddenly its like your brain has been sucked out...and you've been sitting there for hours. This article indicates that there is a bit of science in this process. We are conditioned to switch it on (it makes us feel good), and then we are captivated by rapid movement (because we are hardwired to associate movement to indicate "prey"...or "predator").

    Another thing. Don't get satellite. It takes an hour to work out there is nothing worth watching. With 5 channels in here in the UK, I can work this out in about 20 seconds.

  54. Aliens from planet McLuhan! by jeff13 · · Score: 1

    Imagine if aliens took over the planet disquised as these things like TV that we would use for everything from work, watching movies, phone, Internet, and turn us all into screen zombies. And take over the world!!!

    It could happen. ;-D

  55. just wait for some real VR by ypocat · · Score: 1

    Once Virtual Reality is here, we will either have to think about any bad symptoms in the terms of natural development of mankind, or make it regulated by law (impossible, imho, because WE will do, what WE want).

    1. Re:just wait for some real VR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "WE will do, what WE want"

      Then why can't we turn off our TVs?

  56. TV...... by Gavitron_zero · · Score: 1
    "It's a small price to pay for countless hours of top notch entertainment!!" -- Dr. Hibbert

    "Don't you ever, ever say anything bad about TV again!!" -- Homer Simpson

  57. Re:You are not the droids I was looking for. by TrollBridge · · Score: 0

    Hahahah somebody actually modded this post up!

    --
    There's a Mercedes gap too. I want one and can't afford one, but it's not government's job to do anything about it.
  58. Pretty Weak Science by msheppard · · Score: 2

    I personally found the article not quite up to SciAm's usual snuff. Typically there is a lot of science and you come away with some stuff to think about... this one just grazed on a couple interesting habits and mentioned a couple studies without really posing any dramatic questions.

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    Krispy Cream is people
    1. Re:Pretty Weak Science by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Behavioral science isn't as easily quantified as, say, high energy physics. So you just have to change your expections with this type of subject.

      --
      It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
  59. Tv not bad if you have a purpose by Bobuhabu · · Score: 1
    Being a recently laid off web developer I find myself watching more tv than before (don't tell the friendly people at the unemployment office). Typically its because I find shows to watch on tvguide.com and I turn on the tv to take a break from my computer for an hour or so. I also leave the tv on while I'm working from my home occasionaly (in case the latest Britany video comes on or something else distracting). I don't necessarily see the link between large amounts of tv viewing and loneliness unless its seen as a symptom of loneliness perhaps. I find television to be relaxing and engaging if you choose particular shows that spark your interest. Although I seem to be trailing off right now as a Space Ghost rerun comes on.....

    Back to my point, I find that I can be very productive while the tv is on in the background and if you need to take a break when a good show comes on you can relax while still keeping your mind somewhat stimulated.

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    Bobuhabu
  60. linking to drudge by Lelon · · Score: 1

    do you people realize that when you link to drudge, you're helping advertise the fact that internet "news sites" are complete and utter garbage. since slashdot is included in this group (and probably one of the better examples of one) you probably shouldn't expect people to take you seriously if you link to drudge.

    1. Re:linking to drudge by Etcetera · · Score: 1


      Quite frankly, the few of his own reports he does post nowadays are right far more often than they're wrong. A typical pattern is that he posts a quick paragraph or two about something, then a few days later he'll link to some story in the Washington Post about it saying the exact same thing.

      One of the best things he does nowadays is simply scan the foreign or lesser-known news wires or services for interesting or important stories that haven't broken in the US yet.

      "Breaking News" on CNN.com is a joke, especially since the pink slips in their internet department. If you want to know what's breaking *now*, visit Drudge. There's a reason the site gets 40 hits/second.

    2. Re:linking to drudge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be more inclined to use his site if it wasn't so blatantly biased towards the right.

  61. Connective technology ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is cellular telephony. Just come over to Europe and see how it works. It's just great -- if nearly everybody has a cellphone and the coverage is 100%, and there are no airtime charges (the case in most of Europe), then you don't have to arrange meetings and worry about being on time. All you have to do is to drop an SMS (text message) to a friend of yours who you suspect to be in vicinity, and wait for the incoming phonecall to arrange a meeting in-person.
    GSM is COOOOL!

    1. Re:Connective technology ... by easter1916 · · Score: 1

      Short of your use of SMS, how would this differ from any cellphone standard? Don't get me wrong, I think GSM is a great thing too, but you aren't really arguing for anything exclusive to GSM.

  62. Re:ADD & ADHD by Alexander+Poquet · · Score: 1
    This is slightly OT, but atually, an increasingly large amount of evidence suggests that ADD/ADHD have most of their basis in neurobiological deficiencies.

    Personally, I suffer from somewhat minor (read: ignorable) ADD and was told (though I have no facts or links to back this information up) that children with ADD demonstrate a sudden absence of blood in the frontal lobe when concentrating on certain (generally repetitive) tasks. This is unfortunately only diagnosable with an MRI, which is too costly to be of much use to most alleged sufferers of AD(H)D.

    Just thought I'd throw that out there.

  63. The weak must be culled. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    >My point is: self-actualization is not for everyone. Some people are just too broken, mentally and/or physically to do better.


    . . .And these are exactly the people who need to be gassed. What was it a wise man once called them. . ."useless eaters?" Seriously, getting rid of life's losers--the lazy and the stupid--would be a signal boon for much of humanity. At least those of us who strive to make something of our lives wouldn't have to listen to their incessant whining.

    1. Re:The weak must be culled. by easter1916 · · Score: 1

      You whined a lot in that post.

  64. Hypnotic Opener by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2
    There's more.

    Strobing lights of many different kinds, (TV included), puts the viewer into a semi-hypnotic state which allows for messages of all sorts to be more easily absorbed by the mind.

    Music videos are particularly nasty in this regard;

    The messages in most pop music are moronic: Love is the most important thing in the world. You are not having enough sex. You must have low self esteem without love or sex. --Not to mention the host of responses you are 'supposed' to have to all manner of stimuli.

    Charming.

    TV doesn't need to have subliminal messages to brain-wash its audience. The programming itself is more than enough to do the job.

    And here's the scary part: The effects on society are invisible, because society has already been formed into the shape TV wants it to be. --That is, the end result is considered normal because the condition is ubiquitous.

    But TV is just a small part of the whole. Every little jab adds up.

    Fluoride
    Cell phone EM
    Asparatame
    Advertising
    Air pollutants
    Too-many work hours
    Pre-natal sonic scans
    Unhealthy food combinations
    Propaganda and corporate agendas in: News & educational programming
    Zero-exercise car culture
    Recreational drugs
    Non-recreational drugs, (anti-depressants, antihistamines. . .)

    To name just a few of the bigger stabs. There are many more subtle attacks. Any one or two of them by themselves are not enough to completely deplete the bulk of humanity, but they quickly add up.

    The end result?

    A populace which is soft, dumb & easy to manipulate. Ripe for. . .

    Hm.

    Well, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?


    -Fantastic Lad --"All your base are belong to us"

    1. Re:Hypnotic Opener by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need special "brainwashing" techniques if you hammer home a simple message repeatedly. This is the heart of propoganda and Goebbels was well aware of this when dealing with the mass media. That is why commercials are endlessly repeated and marketers feel the need to slap a company logo on every posible place.

      By the way, I don't see what "Flouride" has to do with the rest of your list. Strong teeth vs air pollution? How are cavities better? It occurs naturally in well water anyway. Don't start thinking like General Ripper from Dr Strangelove ("We must protect our bodily fluids!").

    2. Re:Hypnotic Opener by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
      By the way, I don't see what "Flouride" has to do with the rest of your list.

      Look up "Dental Fluorosis"

      Perhaps it's time for you to dig a little deeper. Try not to knock delicate bones on the rocky climb down. Or perhaps more importantly, use your pineal gland while it still works.


      -Fantastic Lad

  65. hhmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why not Scientific American on Slashdot Addiction.. maby they can cure me..

  66. Re:off topic warning: Nietzsche by epepke · · Score: 2

    Nietzsche hated anti-Semitism pretty violently. He also suggested that European culture would be nothing without Jewish culture. He also had a lot of contempt for Germany. He did suggest that 19th century European Judaism was then the most prominent form of ressentiment, which might annoy some people, but was probably true. (Today I'd say that feminism held that slot. For him to make that claim about European Judaism doesn't make him hate Jews any more than making such a claim about feminism makes me hate women.)

    However, his sister Elizabeth was a German nationalist. She heavily edited and controlled the publication of his later works, when he was pretty much a helpless invalid. She also got an imprimatur on releases of some of his earlier works. I once saw an edition of Zarathustra from the teens in which she had an "explanatory" preface, most of which was nonsense. Nietzsche himself didn't publish part 4 of Zarathustra, except in a very limited edition for his friends, for fear that he would be tried for blasphemy.

    The best example of this is The Will to Power. Nietzsche never wrote a book with that title. He wanted to write one with that title and wrote down a whole lot of notes. After madness or tertiaty syphilis or whatever took hold, Elizabeth essentially assembled an original work cut-and-pasted from the notes.

    By the way, what's Ecce Humo? "Behold the Smoke" or "Behold the Chick Pea Dip"?

  67. addictive effect? by hazem · · Score: 1

    I've wondered for a quite a while if the 60 hz strobing (isn't it 60 frames per second on TV) does not have an addictive effect? And when you do not receive the stimulus, you do not feel well.

    Imagine when you ride in a truck/bus that has lots of vibration. You eventually get used to it, and if you ride long enough, you feel kind of funny when you get off the bus and stand on "solid" non-vibrating ground.

    Could the nervous system be picking up the strobing from the vertical refresh, to the point you "get used it" and you feel funny when it's not around.

    I found it striking, that when I used to watch TV that the first thing I would do when I got up, or came home, was to turn on the TV. I didn't feel right if I didn't.

    1. Re:addictive effect? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      "Imagine when you ride in a truck/bus that has lots of vibration. You eventually get used to it, and if you ride long enough, you feel kind of funny when you get off the bus and stand on "solid" non-vibrating ground."

      Very similar to coming off a boat after a few days. You still have your "sea legs" and wobble for a while. I remember standing in the shower with my eyes closed after finishing a week long ocean survey and feeling my body swaying like I was still on the boat.

      --
      It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
  68. Hits home by Dolohov · · Score: 1

    That was particularly interesting to me, because after graduating college and moving back in with my parents (until grad school starts!) I've suddenly for the first time in three years had a TV set. And I have noticed that I'm more restless and listless than I used to be, and that I seem to gain less satisfaction from reading.

    One thing the article doesn't talk about, though, is those people who leave the TV on and do other things. I leave the TV on while I program, and while I cook, and I find that it helps me do those things longer. I wonder if it's having the same effect as when I sit and watch, or whether it simply staves off boredom, like the radio used to do.

    1. Re:Hits home by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I think that having the TV or radio on while doing other things is a modern substitute for the old extended family environment we used to have. We are trying to simulate the chatter and noise from being around other family members that is missing from most single/2 person homes now.

      I also think it prevents us from becoming overly vigilant, and thus jumpy, when things are too quiet. Picture a person back in ancient Kenya trying to sleep in the quiet of the bush but hyper vigilant of any sounds. Having background noise turns that off.

      Maybe I'm over doing the evolutionary biology approach here...

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      It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
  69. Re: Cocaine Addiction bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not convinced that cocaine is really addictive though. When I have access to cocaine, I snort it way too much. When I don't, I don't miss it at all, and I've gone as much as a year without snorting any measurable amount of cocaine, and with no side effects due to withdrawal.

  70. Re:Some of my experiences with the syndication tax by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    Well said, and you should have been modded higher.

    I think you'll find the TiVo (or similar device) gives you the "pay for only what I want to see" experience you are looking for. It'll help cut out all the chaff. Even a VCR is better than nothing.

    Mindless channel surfing for something and watching junk just because you can't get yourself to turn it off is a big part of the problem. You wouldn't eat anything put in front of you (unless you were starving) so why watch anything on TV just because it is there?

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    It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
  71. Absolutely wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need food, you can die of starvation. No one has ever died or even been harmed from lack of TV. There is a biological need for food. The comparison is bogus.

  72. I dont't know about that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've met some pretty dumb people with a PhD.