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Napster Finally Gets a Break
jark writes "Wired News is reporting that 9th District Court Judge Marilyn Hall Patel ruled that the five major record labels must prove they own thousands of music copyrights as well as prove those copyrights were not used to monopolize and stifle the distribution of digital music. " Definitely a twist
in this ongoing saga.
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I mean, Mr. Fanning has a stake in this, and there's the Fair Use question, but Napster is DEAD. Supplanted. No longer important.
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Proof of the gay-linux conspiracy!
1999 called. They want their gay little music piracy network back.
Patel, who called both sides "dirty," said that Napster's misguided attempts to build a business using illegally obtained music paled in comparison to what could be massive misuse and heavy-handed tactics by the recording industry.
Please tell me that the future of digital music on the Internet is not being decided by someone who is arbitrating the decision based on which side is more morally repugnant.
What about applying old standards? Interpreting existing law to a new medium?
Patel has not impressed me with her keen wit and insight. Sorry.
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Why is this important again, exactly? It was pretty clear from the moment Napster was created that Fanning was lying through his teeth for investments..the minute the millions started rolling in he lost whatever integrity he might have had. Then Napster died, because he couldn't hold up his lies in court..it's not news any more.
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Massaging my nutsack she....
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I DO IT WRONG!!
All your sporkz are belong to the dead homiez!!
Proof of the gay-linux conspiracy!
But this would go as well for any other music sharing service. So, it's not really a failure in that regard. Also, it's a loss for RIAA, which is enough to make me raise my voice in song. Let'em try to take that away.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
I am suprised that the blank media 'tax' already paid for the music being copied on Napster argument has not been raised.
Fight Spammers!
"Objection, judge!"
Anal Cox, irate Lunix hacker.
"prove those copyrights were not used to monopolize and stifle the distribution of digital music"
I had problems understanding this phrase until I got to the second to last paragraph in the article:
"Napster lawyers have alleged the record industry withheld their copyrights from digital music services until three of the major labels could launch MusicNet. Once that service was launched, just days after Napster was shut down, company could only obtain wildly restrictive licenses to sell music. "
So THAT's what this is all about... The record industry isn't against digital music, they're against anyone besides themselves making use of it. If they had their way, I know of at least a few radio stations that would be shut down. Where does it end? Am I going to have to change to the Sony-owned radio channel to hear the latest music???
That's why lawyers exist. Shouldn't take much more than a couple weeks.
Why would the judge do this? Quite simply, the judge wanted the plaintiff to win, and wanted to keep the defendant from being able to appeal the decision. And if the judge sustained every single one of the defendant's objections, the defendant had no grounds for an appeal.
That is what appears to be happening here. Judge Patel, a jurist who has most decidedly taken the side of the plaintiffs in the Napster case, wants to make her decision airtight. There's no way that Napster will be able to appeal the decision to the Supreme Court if she allows the defendants to explore every possible line of defense before they lose the case. It's about giving them a fair trial and letting them prove they are not liable - and when they are unable to prove they aren't liable (they really are liable under the DMCA, like it or not), she will return the verdict that puts them out of business forever.
Not that Napster is an issue anymore, anyway. They have been supplanted by several services that are more resistant to legal and network attacks and do not attempt to extort a monthly fee out of their users for access to materials that they have a basic right to download anyway.
/fug
Throw off the shackles of copyright law.
In most cases, the copyright to a song is held by the person who wrote it, not by the record company. But, except for a couple of jerkwads like Metallica and Dr. Dre, no musicians have filed copyright complaints against file sharing services.
the article brings up some interesting points. although napster is currently pretty much dead in the water, it seems that the company may get some sort of compensation do to the anti-competative practices of the record lables.
"MusicNet did not suddenly appear full blown from the head of a fictitious entity. The evidence suggests that plaintiffs formed a joint venture to distribute digital music and simultaneously refused to enter into individual licenses with competitors, effectively requiring competitors to use MusicNet as their source for digital licensing."
granted, i am not a lawyer, but it would seem that napster would have some recourse if monopolistic/anit-competative practices could be proved, and napster may have a solid future (or others) in the pay-per-play area of online music...
-ryan
Getting a break? With napsters great new features like .nap files, limited downloads, charging for the service, no guarantee that you can find the music you want, *and* they tell me they're cooler than other so called "free" services .. how can they lose??
This is good news, but it is too late for Napster. The damage has been done to it, its effectiveness as a file sharing program has been taken away, and the users have moved on to other services such as Morhpeus, Kazaa, and Limewire. Fortunately, this next generation of file sharing programs is more decentralized, so even if the RIAA lobbies against them and sues them, there will be little they can do to stop them. Plus, Limewire and the Gnutella protocol are open source, so anyone could just take them and make changes in order to make them legal again if difficulties came up.
Once information is out there, there is no going back, and no removing that information. The public is thirsty for these file sharing programs and knowledge of them will prevent the companies from stopping them forever, and when they do stop them new ones will come out. Eventually, even their corporate lobbying will be in vain, and buying politicians won't do anything to stop the flow of information.
The injunction against Napster caused several other file sharing services to arise, like Morpheus for example, which was far better at its beginning than Napster ever was even at the height of its popularity. Sigh. Too bad that the government killed Napster. It's sorta like how the government is to blame for Daniel Pearl's death. Anywho, RIP Napster.
I meant Napster <> News
Proof of the gay-linux conspiracy!
Someone on slashdot that has a brain? No I must be seeing things.
There is no need for all sorts of new laws to cover another communication method and to prevent theft. After all when it really comes down to it discussion on the internet is speach and that is free in the US.
As for swaping another persons work or IP for your own gain that is also already covered by us law and as such should be ruled on the same. Now the debate that the High Court is hearing is what is the proper time that a work should be copyrighted.
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. . . for all intents and purposes, it does little harm for Judge Patel to render a sop in the form of a favorable decision towards Napster so it maybe isn't as obvious that she's a bought and paid-for, corrupt, corporate tool.
One CPU cycle wasted on digital restrictions management is ONE TOO MANY.
"In contrast, (the record labels') allegedly inequitable conduct is currently ongoing and the extent of the prospective harm is massive. If Napster is correct, plaintiffs are attempting the near monopolization of the digital distribution market. The resulting injury affects both Napster and the public interest."
At least Judge Patel sees that the RIAA is not actually acting in the interests of their artists, but in the interest of their wallets.
just heard some sad news on talk radio - journalist Daniel Pearl was found dead in his Pakistan home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
It's like claiming:
Netscape is DEAD. Supplanted. No longer important.
Be is DEAD. Supplanted. No longer important.
OS/2 is DEAD. Supplanted. No longer important.
Who cares about the Microsoft trial?
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More interesting than proving that they own the songs (they may not own all of them, but they certainly owned some that were traded), was this quote:
"[The] plaintiffs are attempting the near monopolization of the digital distribution market. The resulting injury affects both Napster and the public interest."
I hadn't thought about it in terms of monopolizing means of digital distribution.
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I can never tell which is correct :(
He's nailed it. People need to read this and understand what is happening here.
Patel is being essentially a kangaroo court:
"You honor, the record companies are screwing us with illegal monopoly"
"Hmmm, tell me more"
"...and then they shut us down..."
"Interesting legal theory, you're right. However, you're guilty. You're out of business"
Write it down.
If the RIAA was planted in any other country we in the US would refer to them as a cartel.
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Possible criminal acts of the music industry are relevant as they are important to the continuation of the culture.
I noted a comment above that this is unimportant, because napster is dead, etc. Sort of like saying that murder is unimportant because the victim is dead and you can't bring the victim back.
Wrong. Unless you _like_ a world run by crooks, or are something of a crook or a criminal yourself.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
"The crux of Napster's copyright ownership argument revolves around a strange clause in copyright law called "works-for-hire," which essentially determines who owns the songs and albums. Any work of art -- in this case, music -- commissioned or created by an employee of a company becomes the property of that business. For example, reporters who work for newspapers don't own their stories."
Although not 100% legally accurate, the point is that the ownership of copyright for something you don't create is basically a function of contract law - i.e., the recording contract. Most companies who pay for the creation of IP (record companies, software companies, etc.) attempt to argue and contract themselves into a "work for hire" status - which means, essentially that they (the company) are the author in the eyes of the law.
However, work for hire, as the article states, is a doctrine that is controlled by statutory tests - simply saying something is a work for hire (even if the artist agrees to that in a contract) doesn't make it so.
So what if it isn't a work for hire? Traditionally contracts have a back up assignment of rights. The problem is when such an assignment does not cover rights that, for example, don't exist at the time the contract was written. Imagine a contract written in the 70's - it obviously isn't going to assign rights to digital distribution to the record company.
This comes into play in other industries - the publishing industry has recently had this problem with old author contracts where the author assigned all rights to publish a work "in book form" (standard language in older publishing agreements). Courts have found that electronic book rights still belong to the authors (or their estates).
Of course, the lawyers now use a simple addition to the assignment along the lines of "in all media whether now know or hereafter developed" to show that the assignment is everything now and in the future.
Were SGML/HTML/XML invented by a Basic hater?
to predict Napster's future. For all practical purposes, Napster is already dead.
It doesn't matter if the judge rules in Napster's favor, since Napster is trying to do exactly what the labels are doing with MusicNet and PressPlay anyways. Who cares if Napster lives or dies if we'll just end up with another sucky music subscription service.
What I'm worried about is the decision earlier this week about the fees webcasters will pay for streaming online music (See earlier article). The fees ended up being much higher than the webcasters wanted (and much lower than the RIAA wanted). What this means for us is that all the decent online radio services, like Live365, will go out of business because they won't be able to afford the licensing fees, which will be on top of the already high bandwidth fees. So, we'll get stuck with the large music companies owning the digital music space, just like they do the current retail CD business.
The difference is that napster never tried to get licences before launching, Myplay spent their whole life in negotiations with record companies but rotted away.
Shame - they were the best group of peopel I ever worked with.
The Recording Industry setttled, to avoid having to do this very thing....that was brought up by the attorneys for MP3.com. This will mostly be the same scenario here as well. The case is somewhat moot anyway. BMG owns the majority equity stake in Napster as I understand it, so it would be in both parties interests to settle. Except for the fact that the DOJ is looking into anti-trust allegations of the RIAA and members. (collusion). Once the Recording Artists Coalition filed an amicus brief on behalf of Napster (and the RAC doesn't like Napster), I think that Judge Patel woke up. The artist who the RIAA claims to represent say the RIAA doesn't and can't because they don't own the copyrights.
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If the statement made is true, and the artists still own the rights to the materials; then couldn't Napster make distribution agreements with the artists themselves? We have all heard how little money the artists make from the labels for distribution of their materials, and that they have to tour to pay the bills; but if they negotiate their own distribution with the digital content providers, then they would get whatever their contract stipulates. That would be a win for the artists, the consumers, and the content providers...
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linux has to be the shittiest OS i've ever used.
first off, OOM killer. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT? you're telling me that there's no accurate way to tell how much memory is available to my application? and that the kernel will just KILL IT of it uses too much?
that's some pretty fucked up shit, not even win NT has problems like that. i can't believe people think it's ok to put this on production systems? jesus christ.
and X. let's fucking talk about X. what a fucking bright idea to NOT COMPRESS the bitmap data AT ALL. oh, and what a great extensible protocol. it has all of MOTIEF for a widget set. have you seen what happens with gtk or qt paired up with a remote session? i'll tell ya, it's not pretty.
then there's permissions. hello? get with the 90's linux, you need ACL support YESTERDAY. NT has acl support, and where is linux? GONE. NOT THERE. sure xfs can do it, but what a cheeseball hack that is. pfffft. don't talk to me about kernel 2.5, because if it's not production quality, it doesn't exist. (does this mean linux doesn't exist? HAH)
oh, and ever tried making a 2gb file with kernel 2.2, or glibc 2.1? haha, what a fucking joke. i can't believe people take this operating system seriously.
the one thing that really gets me is all the linux FOOLS that go on and on about linux's portibility.
WHAT PORTABILITY? IT'S NOT EVEN ANSI C FOR CHRIST'S SAKE.
linux should take a hint from BSD, and learn to write REAL CODE that actually compiles on REAL C COMPILERS.
this brings us to the topic of gcc. has there ever been a shitter, slower compiler? i mean, have you tried templates on 2.95.3? have you watched them just not fucking work properly? stupid linux trolls will probably mention gcc 3.0.x, but it's fairly safe to say that the 3.0 series isn't close to production quality (then again, has gcc ever been?)
what a shitty development environment!
who cares if napster is dead. this is good news indeed. even if napster cant come back it still sets up a legal precedent. so if someone for kazaa or gnutella is sued they can build a legal defense... good stuff
Napster may have lost the battle for its own life, but they won the war in how they forwarded a simple idea that has largely become accepted by the masses:
In other words, if it's digital, it's free and swappable, whether legal or not. And nothing can stop this phenomenon. Nothing.
The pussy is outta the bag.
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...too bad it had to happen like this though...
I just heard the sad news on the radio. The #2 Linux kernel hacker ANAL COCKS was found dead in his home this morning. There aren't many details yet, but it appears he died from AUTOEROTIC ASPHYXIATION. Even if you never liked his work, you can appreciate what he did to little boys with his -ac branches of the Linux kernel and his MODPROBE. Truly a HOMOSEXUAL LINUX icon. He will be missed. :(
STOP ME BEFORE I POST AGAIN!
Lets get a few things straight:
#1.) Most moderately talented and experienced 'hobby musicians' (like the guys who play at small local bars/clubs/restaurants), with some practice, can play any popular (cover) song live just as well as the original musician(s), occasionally better.
#2.) It is not hard to write good original music.
#3.) Professional quality home recording is a reality and is not cost prohibitive for the vast majority of the US population.
#4.) There is no shortage whatsoever of good to excellent musicians and singers.
#5.) The vast majority of musicians perform for little or no pay simply because they enjoy doing it.
Let me summarize in one statement: Music should be a pasttime, not a career!.
So.. why do we need record labels and celebrity performers, again?
I'm reading between the lines here, but this development in the Napster case seems to parallel something that recently occurred with online internet rebroadcasts of radio programs. These rebroadcasts were temporarily suspended because, for the most part, the contracts between the on-air talent did not allow for rebroadcasting (these contracts were written prior to streaming audio was developed). Essentially, the work of radio on-air talent was being rebroadcast without them getting paid for it.
This RIAA mess seems to be this: Not all artists have assigned their copyrights to the record labels. Some of these assignments may rather be in the form of licenses which do not extend to internet rebroadcasting rights. This, even if RIAA members may have the right to publish music, they may not necessarily have the right to rebroadcast that music on the internet. If they do not have that right, then Napster is not interfering with that right.
Of course this does not get rid of the whole case. There is certainly much music out there of which the copyrights are owned entirely by RIAA members, and the RIAA lawsuit would still be valid with respect to this music.
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Exactly. It's definitely not in BMG's interest to lose control of their copyrights. This legal line is being toed to force the RIAA into making reasonable licensing terms for Napster. This case will be settled, licensing terms on copyrighted songs will be reached, and pay for play sites will be able to offer a full selection of music. But no one will use them anyway.
THis should go in the Troll Lbirary.
For those saying the artists own the copyright...it isn't that easy. The artists would like to, and should, own the copyright, but the record labels say they own the copyright (well, I'm sure there are some artists that manage to keep their rights).
Here is how it basically works: The artist is loaned money to cut an album. Artist's song goes to number 4 on the charts. Before artist sees a dime of the money, all the money "borrowed" for recording and marketing costs must be paid back. The label that picked up the artist now claims copyright to that recording (in most cases). And get this, the reason they say it is their recording and not the artists', is because they say they put up the money. When in reality, the artists have to pay back the money that the recording company LOANED them!
I work for someone that just wrote a somewhat popular country song. He said the record company owns the copyright for the recording of that song. The band that recorded it -- Perfect Stranger -- can perform the song live, record the concert and sell copies of that recording, go to another studio and re-record the song...but the copyright to the song that is being played on the radio does not belong to them.
Jay
Ron Paul
This can't be! The system cannot work! ARGH!
Does this mean that judges can make decisions that aren't only meant to protect the establishment?
Nooo! My world is shattered...
What next? Honest politicians? Is this the twilight zone???
You can't take the sky from me...
Maybe Steve Jobs gave her an iPod for Christmas?
...got bought by universal after universal successfully sued the crap out of it with the other labels. Then they jacked the prices to regular low end CD prices. I consider mp3.com tainted now. I have not purchased any more CD's since universal's aquasition of it.
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
Judge Patel, a jurist who has most decidedly taken the side of the plaintiffs in the Napster case, wants to make her decision airtight. There's no way that Napster will be able to appeal the decision to the Supreme Court if she allows the defendants to explore every possible line of defense before they lose the case.
I will join the long line of scholars, lawyers, and laymen who rightfully criticized the Napster opinions, not for their politics, but for their inartful application of an incompetently-drafted law. Judge Patel's previous opinions have been nothing for her (or, more likely, her law clerks) to be proud of.
That being said, hearing such conspiracy-theories that a life-appointed judge is somehow "in the pocket" as opposed to just plain incompetent advanced by some, including those who claim to be law students, is nothing short of irresponsible.
Not to mention incorrect. As some, including Mr. Fair Use Guy, have wrongly suggested, Patel seeks to insulate her opinions from Supreme Court appeal.
One who claims to be a law student should know that Patel's decisions are appealed first to the Ninth Circuit, and then to the Supreme Court. And while the three-ring-circus-like Ninth Circuit is wholly unpredictable, capable of disputing ruling such as whether the sky is blue, the Supreme Court would not touch the over-litigated quagmire that is Napster with a ten-foot whatever - it not federalism, there's no circuit split, and there's not a damn interesting issue to be found in ten billion pages of pleadings.
It will be a cold day in hell before the Supreme Court agrees to hear any of the Napster decisions. Jerry Falwell will smoke crack before the Court hears Napster. John Katz will write a useful article before the Court hears Napster. Microsoft will release WinXP on a GPL, disco will return, and someone will actually mod up one of my postings before the Supreme Court hears Napster.
The Ninth Circuit is the end of line - and Patel can't do a damn thing to stop the Ninth Circuit from reviewing her - as they've proven themselves willing to review damn near everything. So ditch the conspiracy-theory crap, and recognize bad law when you see it.
I commend unto you Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
It may be cold, but at least it's clear.
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Napster and it's legal team screwed us. Any lawyer will tell you "bad law suits (or bad responses to them) make bad laws" The idiots at Napster and their greedy lawyers fought their case in the worst way possible with their bogus claims of "fair use", etc.
The court decisions handed down in the Napster case were their own fault, and now eveyone trying to run a file sharing server is beaten up by the RIAA with the Napster decision.
If you've been defending Napster, then you've wasted your efforts defending somone who has screwed YOU!!!
"Well, we'll need proof you won't stifle the distribution of digital music." "Of course! Will these sacks of money suffice?" $$$
Who cares about Napster anymore?
as I was scrolling through the thread, someone was talking about artists that have sued the RIAA about copyright issues. one of the artists named was Dr Dre. for those who arent familiar with his work, before his "chronic 2001" album was released last year, he put up mp3's of *ALL* the songs on his website and offered them free-of-charge. granted, he was probably hoping that people would d/l the tracks then go out and buy the cd when it was released, and as far as I know, people did *BUY* the cd.
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I am not sure where you get your "facts" or your arrogant attitude, but the Napster case is most decidedly destined for the Supreme Court, not the Ninth Circuit as you have claimed. It is already in an appelate court; what would be gained by sending it to a court at the same level?
I wholehartedly agree with you that the DMCA is bad law, but the fact remains that there is little the courts can do about Napster's end of the case. In MPAA v. 2600, we had the First Amendment working for us; in this case there is no establishment clause issue and constitutional arguments will get us nowhere.
Throw off the shackles of copyright law.
Although, Napster is dead and that's very sad, it's about time the District Court did something right. Napster never did anything illegal. Why isn't VCRs or tape recorders illegal? Who here hasn't copied a tape for a friend? Why didn't you go to jail for copyright infringement? That's because it is explicitly written in the copyright that that is allowed. Pearls of wisdom from the not so wise.
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Another thing about slapdown actually asking those of us who are actually consistently moderated down to pay $5 (to have this de-moderation happen):
Have you visited : http://www.TheGloriousMeept.com ?
And before you moderate me down.. I am a meept missionary. plain and simple. The meept's article refers to the demise of VA Linux about a year ago. As most of you in this thread are FROM VA linux. I suggest you wake up.
The MEEPT is all that holds free open source together (*if* you can get into the club).
I'm ashamed to say I'm contributing to this thread running to more than 100 comments. 100 was common when the MEEPT was here, along with the spirit of open source.
Moderate me down and pay the price.
MEEPT!!
Her job is to decide the case. If what napster was doing was illigal, if what they were doing was agains the spirit of the law they should go down.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
"Music" CDRs, the ones you need if you want to record on a music spesific CD-burner have a tax, but regular CDs you get for your computer don't (unless you live in canada).
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
That's pretty fuckedup that THREE moderators wasted their mod points and modded this comment down to offtopic! It's not even attached to the root post yuo dickweeds!
it is important for 2 reasons.
1, it gives napster ground to sue for damages, much like Be. This is a nearly identical misuse of a monopoly like in the micrsoft antitrust case.
RIAA has been far more heinous then microsoft 'tho, they have been raping both consumers and the artists they claim to represent.
2, this could actually move to give the rights to music back to the artists, opening market doors and oppurtunities to all the little guys.
maybe we'll find some real services opening up that offer real music instead of the backstreet boy wannabes we have shoved down our throats on every public channel. maybe this will unhinge RIAA and halt their attempts to squash streaming audio sites (shoutcast radio stations), etc.
but then what's the chance that could happen in the land of the dollar.
my $0.02
- tensions in our lives that are attacking our minds, unite themselves together to make our consciousness blind - op'ivy
This is a HUGE blow to the music industry's case. The implication of Judge Patel asking them to produce copyright information is that, if they can't do it, the ENTIRE MUSIC INDUSTRY would be forever changed. Right now, music companies strap artists into super-restrictive contracts where anything the artist makes instantly becomes property of the label. This means that, perhaps, the power of ownership could fall back into the hands of the rightful owners - the artists. The RIAA knows this, and now they have to defend themselves. Ahh, sweet irony...
The other serious side effect of this is that the judge realizes that, like the article said, the music industry is moving into a monopoly of online digital music. We all know that the Napster law suit was raised not because the music industry doesn't want online transmission of music, but because they were late to the game and Napster beat them to the punch (and to the money). Judge Patel is calling their bluff and is saying that you can't shut down Napster just to steal their business.
This is a HUGE turning point to this case, and don't be surprised if the issue of copyright holding in music as a whole is revisited because of this line of inquiry.
taco
"Corrupting our youth one mind at a time"
So let's see, you're claiming fair use by posting a load of keys for shareware apps?
Tell ya what, why don't you just go out and run through CompUSA, grabbing stuff off the shelves, and throwing it into the street shouting "It's FREE! It's FREE!"
YOU do not have the right to do what you are attempting to do. Only the person who owns that software has the right to decide what they're going to charge for it. If you disagree, don't buy it. Don't be a stupid asshole instead.
Oh, and by the way, I hope you and your family are condemned to work at an IHOP on the 2am shift for the rest of your lives.
Simon
Coming soon - pyrogyra
Your user page says that you "believe that both rampant civil disobedience and heavy lobbying will be necessary to reform our fascist copyright laws. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance"
Just as long as those of use who oppose you are allowed to do the same kind of civil disobediance. Like smashing eggs on your house, putting shrimp in your air conditioning, graffiti on your walls, that kind of thing.
It's not nice when it turns personal, is it?
Coming soon - pyrogyra
prove those copyrights were not used to monopolize and stifle the distribution of digital music
I appear to be missing something. Isn't a copyright by definition a monopoly on the work?
A non-monopolistic copyright sounds a bit oxymoronish to me.
- A Washington address. Suspicious, but I'll let it drop.
- "Shipped 8 complete consumer applications with over 30 SKUs".
So what was your contribution to the industry, again? You wrote 8 useless
programs, which end users will not be able to modify, and sold them at a
tremendous markup. If the programs were really all that great, why didn't
you release the source code so everyone could see them? What do you have
to be proud of?
- Visual Basic, VB (virus building) Script, C# experience. Wow, that
will get you real far in life - knowing a few non-portable,
proprietary languages. Twit.
- A "Brainbench" certification. Whatever that hell that is, it's
probably useless.
- Work experience at Microsoft, on
.Net. Again, you're wasting your days
away developing proprietary technologies that trade security and stability
for profits. Nothing new here.
You see, Mr. Cooke, the difference between you and me is that I am working for a better world. I want to see more openness, more sharing, and more flexibility. Information wants to be free. You, on the other hand, embrace a pay-as-you-go model of selling software that is quickly becoming obsolete with the continued success of the open source movement. Your only goal is material gain; someday you will realize the sheer emptiness of your life, but by that point it will probably be too late.Our side is winning, Mr. Cooke. Ten years from now, I will have something to show for my efforts, and all you will have is an unemploment check.
Think about it.
Throw off the shackles of copyright law.
Long live Napster is what I say, well not necessarely as a company, but as a way of life. I enjoy the freedom of enjoying things like ripped music and ripped movies. I still am not convinced that dloading a song off the internet is that much different than listening to it on the radio, so I do really hope that we are able to have such liberties. maybe they will give that power to individual artists instead or leaving it all to the greedy record companies!
what if the labels do NOT own the music copyrights? does this mean my/your/our favorite artist could re-release an older work using a different label? would it not be wise for a label to be created soley for this purpose, and sell cd's/tapes to the public for a tiny fee (less than $5), only online, and with the corresponding artist getting a huge percentage? hell, i would not even care if the cd was shipped Netflix style, without a case.
Go to clubs, support local music, tell others. The days of paying houndreds of thousands of dollars to produce an album (with questionable talent) are soon to be over. Same for the incredible sums ponied up for marketing garbage music to ignorant consumers. Quality work can be accomplished in the home studio and the net is a perfect distribution and marketing medium. Build a following, produce yourself, promote yourself. Do that well enough and you can still sign a record deal or distro deal, except that you can do it on your terms without signing away all of your rights and being instantly massively indebted to the label. To hell with corporate music, the interesting stuff is out there in the bars and clubs being played and performed without the least common denominator influence of the big labels. You probably will never become wealthy but just maybe you will keep your integrity in tact and play music you love.
Well, if the courts decide that a) the RIAA a monopoly in terms of music distribution; and b) it leverages that power anti-competitively, in this case branching into online music distribution, and killing off potential competitors by a combination of denying licensing at reasonable terms plus suing those who proceed anyway...
...then the RIAA might have a problem. Weren't some Congresscritters talking about compulsory licensing during the hearings?
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Thus we have GNU/Linux, the OS written largely as a pastime, which is going against monopoly commercial OSes head-on.
Both music and programming can and should be done professionally, and as hobbies. Both should also be Free. When Spielberg needs a movie score written, he hires musicians. Cygnus hires programmers, does consulting work, and releases the tools GPL.
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What the judge has ordered will be exluded in the appeal that the record industry will ceratinky pursue. It's a burdon of proof situation. Napster is innocent until the court can prove that they are guilty. You can't prove a negative.
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It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
Napster "didn't rule out the possibility that the two sides would work out a settlement that allows the company to launch its legal service. "
They're perfectly willing to settle with the recording industry, which means they're perfectly willing to fuck the artists.
To solve the problems associated with the net is simple. But it requires a major change in thinking, and would require an act of congress to pull off.
What are the problems with the net?
1. Bandwidth costs too much. The more popular your site is, the more it costs you to run. But being more popular doesn't mean you're making more money.
2. Copyrighted materials are easily distributed... but money is not easily collected for their use.
The solution is to make a drastic change to how the net works:
Instead of the provider of data paying for the price of the data being shipped across the net, the RECIPIENT pays the cost.
With this simple change users would bear the cost of the bandwidth they use. However for each individual user, this price would be small. One gigabyte of bandiwdth right now is between $2-$5. For most people their cost would be around $1-$2 a month extra on their ISP bill.
If this were implemented the following things would happen:
1. If you run a popular site, you would make money. The more popular your site the more money you make. Popular sites would be guaranteed existence forever. No more would a site you love be shut down because the site had become TOO popular but was not making money from ads or marchandise.
2. ISP's would pay YOU if you run a popular webpage, and would compete for users who run popular webpages... driving down the percentage they take from the content provider.
3. No more spyware. Spyware is generally created because it's how they finance free software. But with this system if you make free software and offer it for download, you still make money from it! No need to put in evil spyware which makes very little money anyhow.
4. An apparent downside is that there would be little incentive for companies to make their webpages smaller and more compact. However, there is a limit to what users will be willing to tolerate from a site, and sites which take less time to load and offer the same content will be more popular.
5. Free software would flourish.
6. Musicians who make songs available on their website would make money from said songs. Music trading services could compensate artists whose music is downloaded from them.
Some downsides would be:
1. Many artists would not want their content distributed on sites where they aren't receiving a royalty. The easiest and most fair way to deal with this without having to send money out to every artists if you host a site which distributes art is hyperlinking directly to an artist's images with thumbnails. Then the person providing the thumbnails gets some money and the artist gets the majority of the money from an image being distributed. Of course such distribution is going to happen regardless... but that's going on anyhow.
2. It might be more difficult to have anonymous speech. Anyonymous file sharing systems would have to be utilized to cover the trails of anonymous speech, because a direct money trail would be too easy to follow.
3. Copyright owners would be more likely to sue and be able to claim damages. Post a short clip of your favorite show, or a fan art or fan fiction, and you could be in some serious trouble. Fair use laws would need to be changed.
Still, the benefits far outweigh the bad issues.
Limewire itself is not a service but merely a Gnutella client
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Yes, copyrights and patents are narrow monoplies, granted by the government. But just because you're given a monopoly over redistribution of, say, Stayin' Alive, by the Beegees, it doesn't mean you're allowed to use that to gain a monopoly over all the music in the world.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
This has started because the Artists filed a friend of the court brief requesting that Judge Patel not issue a ruling that re-inforces the record companies claim that recordings are "works-for-hire". The record companies are trying to establish back door precedents by claiming the work-for-hire relationship in unrelated court cases.
In theory, this wouldn't be a big deal, because the label would just have to go back to the artists and get a signature authorizing the court action and they would get it, because I don't think there are very many artists out there (unsigned or not) who think Napster is acting in thier best interest. The catch is that by doing that, the labels would be admitting they don't have a work-for-hire arrangement with the artists.
That's why this means a settlement is immanent.
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