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Captain Crunch's New Boxes, Part II

micsaund writes: "It looks like the infamous Captain Crunch has been toiling away for 3 years on a firewall now known as the Crunchbox. It runs OpenBSD and is administered via a web-based interface. Steve Wozniak is quoted as saying it's 'next to un-crackable.' Check it out at ShopIP. The Register also has an article on it. As an aside, since the Linux Router Project (LRP) appears to have been sold-out and GnatBox is a tad expensive, is anyone aware of some kind of 'packaged' firewall with a slick interface available for free?" We mentioned Draper's venture into firewalls last year, but there's been some progress since then.

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  1. Free Firewall by L053R · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check Out www.bbiagent.com cool, free, easy to use...

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  2. Smoothwall by ViceClown · · Score: 4, Informative

    Installs in a snap, free download, stupendous interface, good support. I've used it for months now without a hickup. Just my $0.02

    Smoothwall

    Cheers :-)

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    1. Re:Smoothwall by GSloop · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've never used smoothwall, and I haven't gotten any support, so I am giving "hearsay" here...

      But, from what I gather, and I have done some searching, Dick (aka Richard Morrell) seems to have a few screws loose. From all accounts, he is cranky and sometimes more than downright nasty.

      His product is FREE though, you should just don your asbestos suit should you go looking for support. (View a few IRC logs etc. to get a feel for how "Dick" seems to view newbies and/or non-paying customers.)

      Frankly, I'd rather do some extra work myself, than deal with people who are unsociable.

      All standard disclaimers, YMMV etc.

      Cheers!

    2. Re:Smoothwall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, I'm glad that you had nice experiences, but the general consensus seems to be that good support is a rare thing from Smoothwall (hence IPCop.org, I guess). They certainly carve bold new diretions for customers service! They'll swear at you, not answer emails, and not rarely answer specific questions (instead, cut-n-pastes are regular).

      I'm not willing to post my emails between the developers, I, and other people in the company. I really don't want to be hassled by Smoothwall anymore. The funny thing is that I'm quite sure I'm unidentifable in the masses of people who might say such a thing ;)

      (and this comes from a paying customer of Smoothwall Corp. - not a freeloader).

      I *strongly* recommend any other distro. I didn't think customer service mattered much until I found a bug in their product and wanted them to fix it.

    3. Re:Smoothwall by xtremex · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dick Moran is an asshole. I once asked him on IRC how I can upgrade software on the firewall myself, I got flames to no end, and my IP banned from the IRC server.

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    4. Re:Smoothwall by TellarHK · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep, Morrell is definitely someone to watch out for. He threatens, harasses, and insults practically anyone that doesn't tell him Smoothwall's the greatest thing since using the GPL as a way to fork off to a commercial product after getting overenthusiastic community ego boosting.

      He's gone so far as to make legal quasi-threats against me and other critics of his treatment of Smoothwall users. He's driven away enough developers that the IPCop project was formed and seems to have done quite a good job at proving themselves to have intentions of being more than just another forked project. IPCop has performed just wonderfully for me since my abandonment of Smoothwall.

      For the morbidly curious, I have an archive of my emailing back and forth with Richard on this webpage.

    5. Re:Smoothwall by Keezdriver · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try IPCop they produce a free gpl fork of smoothwall and they intend on releasing a new version with more features based on the 2.4 kernel and maintain it as gpl. Ask them a support question and they actually are friendly when they answer. Even the users are nice and everyone tries to help when others have problems, Strange idea eh? Works for me, I switched to IPCop and never looked back. Michael T

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  3. LRP "sold out" ? by maggard · · Score: 4, Informative
    How so? They took offerings from VA Linux?

    The mailing list is active, there are any number of distributions though few on the latest kernels, all appears kosher if not frantically active.

    Was there any reason for this possibly very damaging statement?

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    1. Re:LRP "sold out" ? by slamb · · Score: 5, Informative
      The mailing list is active, there are any number of distributions though few on the latest kernels, all appears kosher if not frantically active.

      Was there any reason for this possibly very damaging statement?

      Yeah, because at the linked site:

      • There have been no releases since 0.9.8 on 12 Sep 2000 (a year and a half).
      • The only news since then has been three seperate sponsers (Cyclades, VA, and Sangoma). It's not clear what the money is being used for.
      • The mailing list archives, give 404s on the -devel list. Only the users list seems to be active.
      • The "unstable" directory on the site contains only (besides the 0.9.8 release) a few kernel patches made to 2.2.19 in July of 2001.

      On the other hand, this site seems quite active. I'm not sure what their relationship is.

    2. Re:LRP "sold out" ? by zsazsa · · Score: 5, Informative

      linuxrouter.org is no longer the center of "Linux-firewall-on-a-floppy" development. It's been seldom updated for several years now; the only important thing on it being the mailing list. The site even apologizes for its own lack of maintenance: Unfortunately most all of the LRP docs at this site are painfully out of date. The LRP still is the basis of most Linux floppy distros, albiet heavily modified.

      Instead of linuxrouter.org, the real hotbed of development these days is the LEAF site, LEAF standing for Linux Embedded Appliance Firewall. The steinkuehler.net site you mentioned is a part of LEAF, hosting the Eiger/Dachstein distributions. Unfortunately the linuxrouter.org project doesn't point the way to LEAF. I only found out about it by following the mailing lists.

      Ian

    3. Re:LRP "sold out" ? by GlobalEcho · · Score: 5, Informative

      I wrote what was once widely appreciated as the most useful howto for using LRP. It is now woefully out of date, and I recommend Eigerstein or Dachstein, which are so well-designed that they don't need that kind of detailed documentation.

      I can shed a little more light on the middle-recent history of LRP and LEAF. Two years ago, LRP was indeed the center of all linux floppy firewall/router activity. However, people were starting to innovate, and Dave Cinege (who owns the domain name) never seemed to find the time to update his own work or incorporate that of others. It was a running joke on the mailing list. It would not have been much work for Dave to at least put up links to the sites documenting and extending LRP, but it never seemed to happen.

      For a while, linuxrouter.sourceforge.net (now changed to leaf.sourceforge.net) was a repository of all the extra work. Before that everything had been on a crazy collection of obscure personal websites (like mine).

      Dave promised major updates to LRP, and then gave up on LRP and decided a completely new, cool project was necessary. This was around the time Tim McVeigh was executed, which Dave considered the murder of a hero or prisoner of war. Without getting into politics or morality, I merely note that it was the last straw for many people, who made a complete split and formed LEAF. I presume it was the rancor behind this split that keeps Dave from mentioning LEAF on his website.

      Unfortunately, if you type "linux router" into Google, LEAF shows up way down the list -- maybe 20th.

      IMHO, the people working on LEAF are dedicated and impressive. It remains far and away the best floppy-based router/firewall available. It is certainly the most actively maintained.

  4. FreeSCO by groove10 · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's what I use on my little NAT/Gateway thing at home. Works like a champ. Web-based config + many other add-ons for this floppy distro. More put together than LRP IMHO. Check it out at: freeSCO.org. The dicumentation is pretty good, although it may not be as secure as other distros.

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  5. LinuxMandrake SNF by DCowern · · Score: 3, Informative

    Single Network Firewall... runs off of a 2.2 kernel, easy to set up, and runs off a "slick web based interface". You can download the ISOs for free off their website.

    Some linkage:

  6. slashdotted already?!?? by kemster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Looks like it's /.'d already, so use the power of the google.

  7. Coyote Linux by servoled · · Score: 4, Informative

    Note sure if this qualifies, but it is a neat little floppy disk distribution that does nat. Check it out at http://www.coyotelinux.com/.

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  8. Clarkconnect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I use clark connect for my firewall. Its linux based wit a web admin, it displays usage reports, bandwidth graphs. Does nslookups and whois on people who try to hack you. Even displays "12.12.12.12 tried to use Code Red 2.0"
    Also includes CUPS for printing.Samba for file sharing. OpenSSH and the web based admin uses ModSSL so its all encrypted.

    Its frickin awesome! Is built from Redhat 7.2 and accepts all Redhat 7.2 RPMS.

  9. Free Firewall... by Talez · · Score: 1, Informative

    Smoothwall has been doing the job for me for ages... Only a 20 meg download for the ISO and you install the system off that... It's pretty cool!

  10. Gnat box has a Free 5-user version by young-earth · · Score: 5, Informative

    works great, easy to set up, floppy only, works on >= 486 machines. I've never seen it go below 98% idle on a 100MHz P5 with 5 hard-working machines filling a 768Kbps DSL line. You can pay $50 and get a DMZ added on to the free version, same price for a VPN license.

    Download it from here. This is a BSD based firewall, but no shell, nothing for a cracker to get onto it. Uses SSL web access (new in later versions) or a Winblows client for configuration.

    Oh and one point that is heavily stressed in their marketing material - it's ICSA certified.

    There is a small version for ~$750 street price that gives 25-user version with DMZ, no moving parts, runs off 12VDC.

  11. Astaro Security Linux by lethalp1mpslapper · · Score: 4, Informative

    This firewall is free for non-commercial use and has a web interface to boot. I've used this for sometime now. It supports VPN, incoming/outgoing email virus scan, IP accounting and routing. It will even update itself on the fly if you want. Here is the link: Astaro Security Linux

    P.S. - I don not work for these guys, I am just impressed by what they offer.

  12. IPCop by cyroth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Give IPCop a go. Very similar to Smoothwall without the "attitude" that some people suffer from.

    1. Re:IPCop by freeio · · Score: 2, Informative

      IPCop is excellent for probably 90% of the firewall needs for individuals and small businesses. It is based on linux kernel 2.2.20 and ipchains. It is GPLed, has a quality web interface, and installs fast and easy. Furthermore, the user list is friendly and helpful. I downloaded the iso for it, wrote it to a cd, and then took about 15 minutes start to finish with the initial installation. After that, the fine tuning was handled over a very intuitive web interface. I would rate it a 9.5/10.

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  13. ClarkConnect is Easy and Free... by Timodious · · Score: 2, Informative

    Please check out ClarkConnect... it's a great little firewall based on RedHat 7.2. It gets regular updates, and has an active user community.

  14. Re:Wozniak? by Error27 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I doubt Woz claimed to be a security expert. He and Captain Crunch really are friends though.

  15. A few firewall linux based distros by Dacmot · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Freesco which I personnally use on a 486/dx2 with 8mb of ram. It has many functionalities like remote access, dhcp, dns, print server, firewalling, masquerading, bridging, support for many ethernet cards and best of all fits on a floppy (no HD required, but possible to do a HD install) Works like a charm and very easy to setup... almost plug and play (although not like windoze's plug and pray)
    2. Coyote Linux which seems to offer a few more features than freesco, but requires 12mb of ram. Again, fits on a floppy.
    3. SmoothWall which seems to be more of a feature complete firewalling solution includes web-based admin, proxy server and much more. It's larger (30MB or so) but seems fairly easy to use.
  16. astaro firewall by Pika · · Score: 2, Informative

    check out astaro firewall at www.astaro.com.

    it is a linux based firewall solution with vpn & virus scanning support. it's the most comprehensive firewall package that i have seen (and that is freely downloadable).

    astaro includes implementations of other security related products (swan, etc) all in one package. definately worth a try.

  17. Re:Is a remotely updatable firewall a good thing? by mewsenews · · Score: 2, Informative

    The crunchbox could ship with the public key of the Crunchbox team, and then the iShop people could digitally sign updates.

    If you wanted to fake an update, you'd need iShop/Crunchbox's secret key to sign your little bundle of destruction.

    I have no idea if this is how they take care of it, but it seems like a good idea to me.

  18. Re:SINCE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT... by kir · · Score: 3, Informative

    OK... apparently, I am a moron... well, maybe not a moron, but LAZY. I got off my arse and did some poking around. Look what I found.

    I found a few application level proxies -

    OpenGateKeeper H.323 Proxy

    ftp.proxy - This looks very well done.

    smtp.proxy - done by the same guy as tcpproxy below.

    For the generic tcp proxy -

    nportredird - This looks very promising.

    aproxy - looks a little too simple, but it's perl! (English can be found via babelfish.)

    tcpproxy - This one seems the most complete and designed for a firewalling environment.

    I found a whole slew of different app "level" proxies (Quake, POP3, etc.), but most seemed a bit basic. Some of the POP3 ones were cool (proxy auth support).

    I was not able to find a good udp proxy - with multi-source/multi-destination (proxy with an ACL). I've a small local port udp redirector (I have no idea where I got it) that I use on my home network, but it's not something I could use at work. So... there ya go.

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  19. Summary of mentioned firewalls, and a question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    It looks like a lot of the Linux-based firewalls I've seen recommended here use ipchains with the 2.2 kernel instead of iptables with the 2.4 kernel. As far as I understand, this would mean they can't do connection tracking for things like FTP and IRC. Here's what I'm able to figure out so far...

    Firewalls using iptables with 2.4.x kernel:

    Firewalls using ipchains with 2.2.x kernel:

    Firewalls using ipfwadm with 2.0.x kernel:
    • Freesco: ipfwadm, 2.0.38 (!)
    • FWTK: Dunno, looks old, mentions ipfwadm

    My question is, isn't it best to use an iptables-based firewall on a 2.4.x kernel instead of an ipchains- or ipfwadm-based firewall on a 2.2.x or 2.0.x kernel? I definetely want the connection tracking capabilities in the 2.4.x kernel, especially for screwy things like FTP, IRC, etc. (Yes, I know there is an IRC connection tracking patch out now for 2.4 kernels...) Is a kernel that doesn't support connection tracking for firewalls a reasonable option these days?
    1. Re:Summary of mentioned firewalls, and a question by GlobalEcho · · Score: 4, Informative

      Linux firewalls and NAT routers were able to handle FTP and IRC at least as far back as the 2.0.x series kernels, using kernel modules that I assume basically forced state tracking on these types of connections. Other modules handle all the other major protocols like this (e.g. RealAudio).

      LEAF/LRP/Dachstein do so automatically. I assume most if not all of the others you cite do so as well.

      So, to answer your question, the answer is "no". Lack of support for connection tracking is indeed unacceptable. But 2.0.x and 2.2.x have tracking after all, at least where it matters.

  20. Another OpenBSD based minimal Firewall by little_fluffy_clouds · · Score: 2, Informative


    The emBSD Firewall seems to be right on track, and you can download it right now. I've not tried it, but it runs off a 32MB Compact Flash.

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  21. Re:Smoothwall Attitude Problems (was: Smoothwall) by dpotter · · Score: 2, Informative
    Just noticed that those first 32 pages were written by ESR, not Mr. Morell. Credit where it's due.


    dp

  22. FrazierWall Linux by bkives · · Score: 2, Informative

    I like Coyote Linux. I used it for some time. It has one of the easiest installers. It even installs from windows. But if you run it through GRC's Shields Up at: http://grc.com/default.htm you will see closed ports on the default firewall ruleset.

    Might I suggest FrazierWall Linux. It is a fork of Coyote and LRP, but with better default firewall rules, and a built in web server for local firewall status information. And it will even e-mail the firewall logs to you.

    http://www.frazierwall.com/

    Plus it passes both the Shields Up and Sygate Scans : http://scan.sygatetech.com/
    with stealth mode almost everywhere.

    I did have some problems with in initial install. I looked in the config files from Coyote to get things straight with FrazierWall. Other than that, FrazierWall is a well done firewall.

  23. Re:Correct Smoothwall Archive URL by T-Punkt · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just read the IRC log and I must say that his first answers were short but not rude at all (later after you have used up all of his patience he indeed gets slight rude...). But IMHO you were quite annoying since you just ignored his answers or haven't understood them.

    I think the whole problem is that you want something like a small, secure operating system based on linux that has dhcpd and a webserver and IRC and ....

    But Smoothwall is no such thing (you can abuse it as such of course, but don't expect support for that) - it's "a firewall". In short: A firewall is something that is inbetween you and the internet. This can be a software package (i.e. an add-on to the OS) that installs on your workstation or a device that sits on your uplink. And to be precise Smoothwall is the software/OS of such a device.

    You really shouldn't run any additional software on the machine that runs Smoothwall, you should run them on machines that are either placed before the firewall or after it, so including GCC in smoothwall doesn't make any sense at all unless you change the purpose of the software from "a firewall" to ... whatever, you know what I mean.

    Your failure was that you haven't understand the goals of Smoothwall and dustmite's failure was that he hasn't noticed that. When you said that you want to replace Suse and RedHat and only have "one machine to work with" and want to install/run this and that he simply should have said "Sorry, Smoothwall is obviously not the right solution for your problem. Use something else, we can't help you".

    Oh, BTW: Do you really except help from someone after you have criticized him for his attitude? This is not a clever tactic.

  24. Re:LRP "sold out" ? --- LEAF by jmarca · · Score: 2, Informative

    yes, thank you for stating what i was going to say.
    i'm glad your response was modded up. I am quite satisfied with the level of activity on LEAF. We are going to move to a recent version of Oxygen in the near future. And the reason for doing that is to be able to run Seawall as a firewall on our
    'embedded' boxes.

  25. Bifrost by dNil · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a real nice, stripped clean and naturally free linux distro for firewalls/routers called bifrost. The latest few versions use 2.4-kernels, but they keep a nice annotated back-log of their old distros since 1997. The distro has a fairly clever system for dealing with mobile users (called nomad). It lacks a "click-and-go" wui by design, due to the risk of unneccesary security breaches - in my translation from the swedish pages - Correct filterrules are preferentially constructed "offline", and transfered by scp. For those who want clickability and colors, we recommend Xemacs for suitable coziness. Imho, thats the way to go (although I zealously use emacs instead).

    The guys who maintain bifrost/nomad spend a lot of time on fairly advanced network performance testing with different hardware/driver combinations, so you maight want to consider their hardware recommendations as well. For the machines they put together for the Swedish university network, they go with flash-drives for safe (and fast) storage.

    If you are curios about the name of the distro, the following helps:
    The name Bifrost comes from the nordic mythology, where Bifrost is the bridge between Midgård (The Earth) and Asgård (the home of gods) and is called The Rainbow by humans. It's so strong that it will not be destroyed until Ragnarök - the end of the world. Bifrost is guarded by Heimdall and the red color one can see in it, is a flaming fire that prevents the giants to climb up to Asgård.

  26. Homemade Linux Floppy by clasher · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those looking for instructions on building a linux floppy take a look at some documentation I made up while working on my own.

    I had not found any good linux floppy firewall distributions running 2.4 the kernel so I figured out how to do it myself. This document doesn't include the instructions on how to include iptables but I will be adding that soon (it isn't too difficult).