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Bdale Garbee elected Debian Project Leader

Daniel Stone writes "In results released by Project Secretary Manoj Srivastava today, Bdale Garbee was elected Project Leader ahead of Raphael Hertzog and Branden Robinson. Congratulations Bdale! And no CmdrTaco, the debs are not (quite) yet ready, but they *are* very close." The elections page has more information.

136 comments

  1. Maybe Woody will be released soon... by NewbieSpaz · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm glad that the elections are over, maybe Woddy will be released as stable now, and I can get a nice new 'unstable' debian box going!

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    1. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Offtopic

      As someone who knows nothing about Debian... perhaps they should use a different method for deciding their release schedule. OpenBSD has a regular release every six months, LaTeX every twelve months. Both of these have in common with Debian that they are a collection of packages from different sources. There's no way that Debian can plan and organize XFree86, Linux, gcc, Apache etc etc to all work to a single release cycle - they are completely out of phase with each other. Nothing wrong with that. But given this situation, the best release strategy is surely to pick an arbitrary date and go with whatever is available at that time. Debian does put a lot of effort into finishing each distribution once the deadline is known, but IMHO the release date should be known right from the start, as in 'it's always the fifteenth of August'.

      Or even every week - 'It's Friday, it's six o'clock, and it's Debian New Release Time!'. That might be taking it a bit far.

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    2. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by BabyJeebus · · Score: 1

      The problem with that is having something that is released before it's actually ready. Debian thrives on it's stability and to force a release date may comprimise this. I for one would rather have the new Debian release when it's ready, and not any sooner.

    3. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So just run the unstable tree. I've been running Woody since November with no problems. Once in awhile I run apt-get update and apt-get --fix-broken dist-upgrade and I get all my new toys like Mozilla 0.9.9 and such. But you're right, they could just as easily release a new version every 6 months or even every quarter to use as a set stable base point of install. From there you can upgrade easily with apt-get from then on if you have broadband or a fast connection at work.

    4. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by dasunt · · Score: 2

      As far as I understand, Debian is based on stability and a free software mentality. Which means that it won't sacrifice stability for the latest release. This can be frustrating, especially to non-debian users, but, on the other hand, I will attest that their stable package is rock solid. Even their testing package is pretty good. Unstable isn't bad, but does have the habit of breaking every so often.

      There are other distros that cater to those who want shiny things, or the latest and greatest. Debian caters to those who want stability. Don't fault them for that.

    5. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by Mr+Links · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Granted I can not resist apt-get update every few weeks but there is nothing stopping people installing from testing and then leaving it alone. Most people don't need the latest version of bash,one from a few months ago is fine for them.

    6. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by tps12 · · Score: 2
      Maybe they should switch codenames...

      I wouldn't want to download anything related to "release woody".

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    7. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by zeda · · Score: 1

      And the other distro's aren't crapshoots?

      Everybody updates everything, errata etc.

    8. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by ThatComputerGuy · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a fortune cookie.. "Woody will soon be released after Viagra."

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    9. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This can be frustrating, especially to non-debian users

      And also to Debian users. Not every Debian user thinks that 2-year release cycles are desirable. It takes too long for new releases of the stable distribution to be made. Yes the package maintainers do a good job, yes the distribution is stable, yes, yes, yes. But the release cycle still takes too long, and no amount of whining about 'but look at the stability' can change that.

    10. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean 'release stuff before it's ready', I meant 'pick a date and release everything that's ready on that date'. So it might be the case that the kernel version doesn't change from one release to the next, if the new kernel isn't considered ready yet.

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    11. Re:Maybe Woody will be released soon... by dark-nl · · Score: 1

      This is what we attempted to do with the 'testing' distribution. We probably won't know if it worked until we see how quickly the next release is out.

  2. Platform by rubinson · · Score: 5, Informative

    His platform makes a good read: http://www.debian.org/vote/2002/platforms/bdale

    1. Re:Platform by 56ker · · Score: 1, Redundant

      The google cached page is available here.

  3. Weird Harold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think his name is really Dale Gar. Someone put it through the Fat Albert "Weird Harold" filter giving is bDale Garbie.

    "Scoobe, doobe, doobe. Wherbe arbe yoube?"

  4. Offtopic by awptic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But there are .deb's for kde3 ready (*very* beta though) at
    http://www.geniussystems.net/KDE3%20Experimental/
    Many thanks to WhizNDR from #debian-kde on opn for many hours of work getting these ready :)

    1. Re:Offtopic by 56ker · · Score: 2

      The files are also mirrored here.

    2. Re:Offtopic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will KDE 3.0 be an official part of Debian Woody, or will it be KDE 2.2.2?

    3. Re:Offtopic by damiam · · Score: 2, Informative

      KDE 3 will not be in Woody. This is in no way related to the lack of packages. Packages could have been released the day KDE3 came out and it still wouldn't be in Woody, because it's a brand-new .0 release without much testing and doesn't belong in the "stable" distribution.

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  5. Uhhhhhh.... by scaramush · · Score: 0, Troll



    Better call Pat Sajak...I think someone needs to buy a vowel.

    In other news, Boutros Boutros-Gahli will be running Red Hat....

    (or perhaps just a spell check? ;) )

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    1. Re:Uhhhhhh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better call Pat Sajak...I think someone needs to buy a vowel.

      It just matches the treasurer: Manoj Srivastava

      I think it's a conspiracy - we're gonna have debian run by people with unpronounceable names..

      Next up for VP: J'ln Hryckz

    2. Re:Uhhhhhh.... by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      *You* can call him Barksdale Garbee the Third if you wish, but the rest of us call him Bdale.
      -russ

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    3. Re:Uhhhhhh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In other news, Boutros Boutros-Gahli will be running Red Hat....

      By the way, Boutros is a variant of the name which is spelled Peter by us English speakers [1]. Gahli might be translated as [2]``Pumpkin-eater''. You can find other information about him by following these links. One can hope that information is more accurate than this.

      [1] I believe that this is true.
      [2] Alternatively, it might be translated as something else. But this is funny.

    4. Re:Uhhhhhh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *You* can call him Barksdale Garbee the Third if you wish,

      Sounds like a hobbit to me!

    5. Re:Uhhhhhh.... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      "but the rest of us call him Bdale"

      Fine. But how do you pronounce it?
      (Lee-Nuhks?)

    6. Re:Uhhhhhh.... by egreB · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Fine. But how do you pronounce it?

      Bee-dale, I guess..

      Here in Norway, it's natural to pronounce Linux just the way it's supposed to. Maybe our "i" is a bit narrower than the native english one (like in the word "Interesting"). To pronounce Linux the way it should be according to english dictionary rules just sounds.. wrong (-8 I remember when I installed my first Linux distro (I beleive it was RedHat 4 or 5), and the sound configurator played a test, where Linux Torvalds stated how to pronounce the name of his OS.. I thought I would die from laughter. (-8

    7. Re:Uhhhhhh.... by ajk · · Score: 1

      It just matches the treasurer: Manoj Srivastava

      Manoj is the Project Secretary.

  6. New Prez? by BaconLT · · Score: 0, Funny

    I sure hope Bdale does a good job. If you ask me, anyone's better than that other clown, George W.

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  7. Debian's too political by Anomolous+Cow+Herd · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You know a Linux distro is designed for zealots when they have would-be project leaders run campaigns with "platforms" that include such things as "helping make sure HP participates as a good citizen in the Debian and larger Open Source communities".

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    1. Re:Debian's too political by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know a Linux distro is designed for zealots when...

      ...they used proportional representation, I always thought.

    2. Re:Debian's too political by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Politics are a necessary evil for *any* group of people; after all, the political process is simply a means for resolving differences. In most technical organizations, the political structure is that of a theocracy (all worship Lord Ballmer, ohm...ohm...ohm...), an oligarchy (most companies, where the decisions are made by a select few at the top of the food chain), or a monarchy (where there is one chief who calls all the shots).

      Politics really are everywhere, even if you don't want to recognize them as such.

      I'm relieved to see that Debian is embracing a majoritarian democratic model, where the developers choose their leadership, instead of vice-versa, because it keeps Debian moving in the same direction as the community it serves. Furthermore, from what I've seen of the Debian political process, it really is quite civil compared to corporate infighting. After all, if you disagree with Debian, you're free to resign from the project; if you tick off your boss, you get to re-discover the joys of a college diet...

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    3. Re:Debian's too political by ProfMoriarty · · Score: 1
      I'm relieved to see that Debian is embracing a majoritarian democratic model, where the developers choose their leadership

      Huh?

      WOMAN: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
      DENNIS: You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--

      Or for more info go here

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    4. Re:Debian's too political by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      ...they used proportional representation, I always thought.

      Actually, they used Condorcet's method, which is superior to all other single-winner voting methods (trust the Debian project to get something like this right!). In any case, *no* voting method which yields a single-winner can be a form of proportional representation.

      For an explanation of Debian's excellent method of choosing Project Leaders, see:

      http://www.electionmethods.org/CondorcetEx.htm

      Alex Berkman

    5. Re:Debian's too political by benjamindees · · Score: 1

      After reading your bio, while trying to make sense of your post and sig, I thought you would enjoy the piece "Some Past and Future Cliches Regarding Linux". At least do a search for "gun-toting libertarianism" if you don't feel like reading it all.

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    6. Re:Debian's too political by caca_phony · · Score: 1

      If you had read more carefully, you would know that making sure HP participates as a good citizen in the Debian and larger Open Source communities is part of his current job description at HP, and was listed as one of his qualifications.

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  8. Re:who would believe these names... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 0, Troll

    Clearly they were ranked according to the sillyness of their names.

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  9. Bdale... by xcomputer_man · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...for the perplexed, is actually a short form of "Barksdale", and is pronounced as "Bee-Dale".

    I like interesting names like that.

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    1. Re:Bdale... by evil_one · · Score: 1

      Apropriate for a guy who is going to be Project Leader during the "Woody" release

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    2. Re:Bdale... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Bdale Garbee", "Manoj Srivastava"...

      Do you have to have a cyphertext name to lead Debian?

  10. Re:No one asked you. by BaconLT · · Score: 0

    Yeah, uh.. that's why it's funny. But, I guess that's why you posted anonymously?

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  11. James Carville by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I've even heard that James Carville has already been hired as a campaign consultant to ensure victory of the .0a distro as compared to the 0.0c1 distro. "It's WAHH!"

  12. Re:HEADLINE CORRECTION! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    From this post, Bdale explains the reason for his name:
    Since I'm sure some of you are curious, Bdale is a contraction of Barksdale, and I pronounce it "Bee-Dale".
  13. Re:HEADLINE CORRECTION CORRECTION! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Noooo.... his name is "Bdale", pronounced "Bee-Dale", which you would know if you even read the article.

  14. Re:Comeon Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a good point that I had not considered.

  15. Congratulations! by Enry · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I hope that your leadership takes a better stance on things like QA testing. Woody often has very simple bugs that would have been found had even the simplest of QA tests been done before submitting the package. One of the better examples was a permission problem that took three weeks (!) to solve!

    exim-tls bug

    Saying that woody is for testing purposes is one thing, since I can accept occasional severe bugs that don't show up for a while. But simple install problems should be found BEFORE the .debs are submitted.

    1. Re:Congratulations! by victim · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Perhaps you should be using the testing release instead of the unstable release?

      Unstable has whatever packages the developer built and uploaded. Odds are they have only been checked on one or two machines of a single architecture by a single person. It is being uploaded to be more widely tested.

      After a period of time without horrible bugs the package will be moved to testing for wider testing. You are relatively safe from show stopping problems with this release.

      You can read a bit about the testing release philosophy.

    2. Re:Congratulations! by mal0rd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe the problem is that the unstable packages recieve too little testing before being thrown into woody. Since debian stable is very outdated typical desktop users probably all want to run at list testing. So packages with bugs that make them worse then their predecessors or have a simple problem like you pointed out should stay in unstable.
      Only when the project is considered fairly-stable should it go into testing. That's what unstable is for.

    3. Re:Congratulations! by afay · · Score: 1

      The real problem with this particular bug (which I was bitten by too) is that the bug was marked as normal severity when instead it should have been release critical, since the packages could not be installed. If the maintainer wasn't going to fix it in the 2 week time period before packages move to woody from sid, he should have atleast marked it release critical so it wouldn't be moved.

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  16. And the Debian Planet article by evil_one · · Score: 2, Informative

    Even less informative than /. for a change, but hey. http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?sid=650

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  17. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But "responsibility" does.

  18. Porky Pig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I just tried this. After about the 8th time, I sounded just like Porky Pig.

  19. Already? by Decimal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shouldn't we wait for the U.S. Supreme Court to decide who to elect?

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    1. Re:Already? by glwtta · · Score: 1, Troll

      whom. whom to elect.

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    2. Re:Already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      --the fuck are you blithering about? No one says "whom" in real life no matter what you grammar nazis want to believe.

    3. Re:Already? by Shiny+Metal+S. · · Score: 2

      Erection, release woody... I sometimes wonder if Debian shouldn't be called Devian instead.

      But seriously, Debian is my OS of choice, I run it on all of my boxes and I can always depand on Debian. Hell, my Potatoes was up for years without a single crash! Soon Woody will power my mission critical boxes.

      (note to self: do not say "my potatoes was up for years" again)

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  20. Re:Freedom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom from using your own name? Come on, "responability" doesn't mean anything these days?

    Not in any dictionary =I've= ever seen!

  21. Yeah...mod the parent down b/c it's anti-debian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's right...we can't hear anything bad about GNU/Linux or GNU/Debian/GNU.

  22. Even OpenBSD has KDE3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this damned Debian thing doesn't.. What a shame

  23. "Hello... by Lethyos · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...this is Barksdale Garbee and I pronounce 'Bdale' as 'Bee-Dale'."

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  24. Re:"About to release" by u01000101 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I dunno, but judging by this, it seems like you'd be better off with Mandrake if you want a Woody. :)

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  25. Names! by sean23007 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    In results released by Project Secretary Manoj Srivastava today, Bdale Garbee was elected Project Leader ahead of Raphael Hertzog and Branden Robinson. Congratulations Bdale!

    Manoj Srivastava? Bdale Garbee? Raphael Hertzog? Those are some kind of names! Maybe when they went to the court to have their names changed from John Doe, the judge did not have the foresight to just give them each the one name they actually spelled out correctly: Max Power.

    Note to self: go to court today to have name changed. Any of the following will be acceptable: Hercules Rockefeller, Rembrandt Q. Einstein... and so on.

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  26. moderators on crack as usual... by Lethyos · · Score: 0, Troll

    how the fuck is this post a troll? it's actually pretty funny... if you've ever heard that old .au file that came with lots of linux distros for testing that your sound card worked (hello, my name is Linus Torvalds and i pronounce linux as linux)

    note to moderators.. if you are too stupid to get the fucking joke, don't mod someone down

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  27. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they should spend time packaging stuff and not electing "officials" and patting each other on the back.
    I find their goals noble, but their organization and package collection is incredibly bloated.
    They also discourage bug reports by exposing submitter email addresses on the web.

    Of course the "apt-get rulez" folks will mod this down anyway, hence the AC.

  28. Democracy. by plank_like · · Score: 0, Troll

    Is all well and good, but supposing his campaign was funded by an evil megalomaniac software magnet with dishonourable ambitions. Said person could then get their hands on the source code then we'd all be up up shit creek.

    1. Re:Democracy. by magnified_plaid · · Score: 1

      Said person already has their hands on the source code. In case you didn't notice Debian develops an Open Source operating system. Perhaps you're new here.

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    2. Re:Democracy. by plank_like · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    3. Re:Democracy. by plank_like · · Score: 0

      Firstly the post is not off topic, it is informative, the post to which it is replying is ill informed and that surprisingly has not been hatcheted. It is merely trying to educate and enlighten the ignoble pubescent who couldn't see the humour in my original reply. Secondly one would have to assume that the moderator is as equally uneducated and of a similar head up arse disposition, one could mistakenly assume they are one and the same or at least from the same closed gene pool.

      I am a moron and this is my wife. Frank Zappa

  29. Well that's a relief by festers · · Score: 1

    Almost thought that Barbee had been elected as Debian Project Leader...

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    1. Re:Well that's a relief by Wolfier · · Score: 2

      LOL Same here!!! I read "Barbie elected Debian Project Leader"...amen, looks like lack of sleep can lead to serious mental disorders...

  30. Re:"About to release" by loply · · Score: 1

    *Sigh* Didnt anybody tell you, all of the Debian users and developers are 22 year old female blondes with soft breasts and blue eyes. We`d have a hard time getting a Woody! Whats that? Youre becoming a Debian developer?

  31. Re:Running Debian may be a bad idea altogether. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    You're an obvious troll. You just took something and s/Linux/Debian/g-ed it. But I will give my rebuttal.
    ReiserFS is still in beta stage
    Not now it isn't.
    All the drawbacks of the ancient EXT2FS file system remain in EXT3FS,
    You call ext2 "ancient", and yet defend the BSD filesystem, UFS, which is several decades older.
    for the sake of 'forward- and backward compatibility'. This is interesting, considering that the DOS heritage in the Windows 9x/ME series was considered a very bad thing by the Debian community, even though it provided what could be called one of the best examples of compatibility, ever.
    You defend DOS and criticize its approach at the same time. By extension, you defend Linux and criticize it at the same time. Which side are you on?
    Instead, they have frequent "hardware problems".
    So Linux should be blamed for hardware that doesn't meet the spec? Hardware companies provide proprietary drivers that work around their own mistakes, but Linux kernel hackers can't afford to do that, nor is it easy for them to find other companies' undocumented faults.
    The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Debian user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification.
    That may have been more accurate years ago, but these days GNU, and in particular glibc, is more reliable and standards compliant than most Unices out there. It supports most POSIX, BSD, SysV, and SuS functions. More than I can say about HP-UX, AIX, or Solaris. Or {Free|Net|Open}BSD.
  32. A TCP/IP veteran by isdnip · · Score: 2

    Bdale's election was a real blast from the past! In the mid-1980s, a bunch of us ham radio types were trying to get TCP/IP running on packet radio. Phil Karn (KA9Q) wrote a DOS program called "NET" which implemented the stack, a chat-style TELNET, FTP, SMTP and POP. Of course there were many variants and distros. The core maintainer of the code base was Bdale.

    It's quite analogous, I think, to what Linus (Phil's role) and the various distro-maintainers (Bdale's role) do today. So Bdale is in that sense uniquely qualified.

    And while Russ Nelson didn't say so (and he was another important player in the NOS/NET project), Bdale's real first name is Arthur. But I didn't tell you. ;-)

  33. Re:....elected to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think he meant "too".

  34. Re:"About to release" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Troll? It's funny... as in "har-har".
    Stupid nazi moderator, hope you die soon.

  35. Just wait a few weeks... by __aahlyu4518 · · Score: 1

    And you'll read the following headline on /.

    "Barbie releases woody"

    That'll get you confused... :-)

  36. Voting System by AmirS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am impressed by the way the voting system works in Debian, it appears to solve any obvious fraud problems associated with e-voting:

    Each developer's vote has to be signed by their gpg secret key (the key itself signed by other debian developers and on the public debian keyring), so votes cannot be faked by developers.

    Each developer is sent a secret token, which is hashed with their uid and a list of hashes against votes is publically posted - so each developer can check their vote has been counted correctly, without being able to determine whose the other votes were.

    Are there any other electronic voting systems that do as well as this?

    1. Re:Voting System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could see my Mom trying to use a "gpg secret key" to vote. Even worst is what would happen to those people down in Flordia. If they can't punch though a piece of paper, what makes you think that they are going to become hackers overnight and know everything about pgp, gpg, SSH,...

    2. Re:Voting System by AmirS · · Score: 1

      Obviously it's not prime time stuff, but it's still there and working in the real world (though debian developers are somewhat a minority).
      I'm not remotely suggesting that general elections use as crude a system as this, but I'd be concerned that if/when general elections are held electronically they will be far less secure than this.

  37. Re:"About to release" by dark-nl · · Score: 1

    Hey! Some of us are brunettes!

  38. Bdale is a great guy by Dirkin+Har · · Score: 1

    Before Bdale went back to work for Hewlett-Packard, he worked with their spin off, Agilent Technologies. While he was there, he was my boss. Bdale impressed me from the minute I met him with his knowledge and experience. It was a great personal loss for me when he went to HP, but it has been a great thing for Debian. Expect great things from him!