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Bdale Garbee elected Debian Project Leader
Daniel Stone writes "In results released by Project Secretary Manoj Srivastava today, Bdale Garbee was elected Project Leader ahead of Raphael Hertzog and Branden Robinson. Congratulations Bdale! And no CmdrTaco, the debs are not (quite) yet ready, but they *are* very close." The elections page has more information.
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Is that like fucking G'Kar?
Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
fp but f the ac anyways
security through obscurity = modding down anti-linux posts so maybe noone will see them
Oh, man. Nice try, but "Bdale"? "Hertzog"? No way I'm falling for this.
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
That's right, first post!
I am Bill Goatse!
Yes... this is a troll! Mod this down!
i got frist poast i got fristy prithy rost haha haha ya'll suk ass
Other people, Other Names!
I'm glad that the elections are over, maybe Woddy will be released as stable now, and I can get a nice new 'unstable' debian box going!
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Random, useless fact: I type in startx entirely with my left hand.
CowboyNeal was elected to
His platform makes a good read: http://www.debian.org/vote/2002/platforms/bdale
I think his name is really Dale Gar. Someone put it through the Fat Albert "Weird Harold" filter giving is bDale Garbie.
"Scoobe, doobe, doobe. Wherbe arbe yoube?"
The person's name is "Dale", not "Bdale". God, why don't you people spell check your posts every once in a while? You'll make people think that some Indian got elected or something.
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." - George Bush
But there are .deb's for kde3 ready (*very* beta though) at :)
http://www.geniussystems.net/KDE3%20Experimental/
Many thanks to WhizNDR from #debian-kde on opn for many hours of work getting these ready
I kindly request that the parent be modded down(way down!)
Better call Pat Sajak...I think someone needs to buy a vowel.
In other news, Boutros Boutros-Gahli will be running Red Hat....
(or perhaps just a spell check?
"...you can steal my woman, but you ain't done nuthin' smart."
I sure hope Bdale does a good job. If you ask me, anyone's better than that other clown, George W.
Who mediates your information?
bGeorge W won the election.
TWO days, TWO kernel security issues, TWO recompiles and reboots. And the second in the list, despite the claim that it was corrected two months ago, was only notified yesterday.
Dear FreeBSD team, I had higher hopes than this...
Topic: routing table memory leak
Category: core
Module: net
Announced: 2002-04-17
Credits: Jayanth Vijayaraghavan
Ruslan Ermilov
Affects: FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE
FreeBSD 4-STABLE after 2001-12-07 09:23:11 UTC
and prior to the correction date
Corrected: 2002-03-22 16:54:19 UTC (RELENG_4)
2002-04-15 17:12:08 UTC (RELENG_4_5)
FreeBSD only: YES
Topic: syncache/syncookies denial of service
Category: core
Module: net
Announced: 2002-04-16
Credits: Alan Judge
Dima Ruban
Affects: FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE
FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE after 2001-12-14 19:53:01 UTC
FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE prior to the correction date
Corrected: 2002-02-20 16:48:49 UTC (RELENG_4)
2002-02-21 16:38:39 UTC (RELENG_4_5, 4.5-RELEASE-p1)
FreeBSD only: YES
You know a Linux distro is designed for zealots when they have would-be project leaders run campaigns with "platforms" that include such things as "helping make sure HP participates as a good citizen in the Debian and larger Open Source communities".
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." - George Bush
...for the perplexed, is actually a short form of "Barksdale", and is pronounced as "Bee-Dale".
I like interesting names like that.
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Am I a hipster-doofus?
I've even heard that James Carville has already been hired as a campaign consultant to ensure victory of the .0a distro as compared to the 0.0c1 distro. "It's WAHH!"
Noooo.... his name is "Bdale", pronounced "Bee-Dale", which you would know if you even read the article.
From Bdale's platform:
Working on Debian is my way of expressing my most strongly held beliefs about freedom, choice, quality, and utility.
Freedom from using your own name? Come on, "responability" doesn't mean anything these days?
if you use a good enough junk-filter, slashdot.org will display a single, *blank*, page
I like debian linux, cause it's 1337, and b'dale is a name that sounds like a well-hung african tribesmen, and that makes me HARD! Mod me up now.
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What was Cowboy Neil elected to?
They had to input the source code using paper punch cards. More chads that way.
Let's have a close look at the costs involved when running a Debian system.
An important factor in Debian' cost is its maintenance. Debian requires a *lot* of maintenance, work doable only by the relatively few high-paid Debian administrators that put themselves - of course willingly - at a great place in the market. Debian seems to be needing maintenance continuously, to keep it from breaking down.
Add to this the cost of loss of data. Debian' native file system, EXT2FS, is known to lose data like a firehose spouts water when the file system isn't unmounted properly. Other unix file systems are much more tolerant towards unexpected crashes. An example is the FreeBSD file system, which with soft updates enabled, performance-wise blows EXT2FS out of the water, and doesn't have the negative drawback of extreme data loss in case of a system breakdown.
According to Debian advocates, an alternative to EXT2FS would be ReiserFS. Unfortunately, ReiserFS is still in beta stage. This means it is not intended for production use (although according to many Debian advocates this shouldn't be a problem, which makes me wonder how (little) valuable they find your data).
The other proposed 'solution', EXT3FS, is nothing more than an ugly hack to put journaling into the file system. All the drawbacks of the ancient EXT2FS file system remain in EXT3FS, for the sake of 'forward- and backward compatibility'. This is interesting, considering that the DOS heritage in the Windows 9x/ME series was considered a very bad thing by the Debian community, even though it provided what could be called one of the best examples of compatibility, ever. When it's about Debian, compatibility constraints don't seem to be that much of a problem for Debian advocates.
Back to Debian' cost. Factor in also the fact that crashes happen much more often on Debian than on other unices. On other unices, crashes usually are caused by external sources like power outages. Crashes in Debian are a regular thing, and nobody seems to know what causes them, internally. Debian advocates try to hide this fact by denying crashes ever happen. Instead, they have frequent "hardware problems".
The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Debian' cost. The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Debian user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification. On top of that a lot of them spit out the most childish and unprofessional messages, indicating that they were created by 14-year olds with too much time, no talent and a bad attitude.
I could go on and on and on, but the conclusion is clear. Debian is not an option for any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc.
What make this "stuff that matters"? Who the fuck cares?
Who the fuck cares?
exim-tls bug
Saying that woody is for testing purposes is one thing, since I can accept occasional severe bugs that don't show up for a while. But simple install problems should be found BEFORE the .debs are submitted.
Try saying his name many times fast!
Looking for people to chat about multicopters, coding, music. skype: gtsiros
Even less informative than /. for a change, but hey.
http://www.debianplanet.org/article.php?sid=650
Desperation is a stinky cologne
But "responsibility" does.
I just tried this. After about the 8th time, I sounded just like Porky Pig.
Shouldn't we wait for the U.S. Supreme Court to decide who to elect?
Remember "Bring 'em on"? *sigh
Bdale?!?
.. that absolutely anyone would care less about. Get more nerd news and who cares about your self-obsessed Linux lovin'
De Del
MCSE
No. the florida voters decided that election. All the Supreme Court did was shut off an attempt by one side to tamper with the ballots.
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After using Debian for some years I've found it's a distro that doesn't make sense. Its release schedule is completely loose, and does not produce things as it should. Also, the "democratic" process employed alienates considerably its developers. All in all, now I prefer things as OpenBSD, which produce very stable releases every 6 months and is more reliable and straightforward than Linux/Debian.
Now we are in trouble
There was no attempt to "tamper" with the ballots
Yes there was. Party hacks were caught stealing vote-punching machines during the process. Votes were being "created" each time, as well. Remember the chads littering the floor?
They'd already been counted a few times. And were counted a few times afterwards.
in line with the one that won the popular vote. No contesting that, is there?
The electoral process is the law of the land. Gore campaigned on it. He never objected until he lost by the electoral process. It was then he ordered his attorneys to lie in the courtroom in an attempt to take by frivolous lawsuit that which he lost at the ballot box.
By the way, see the ol' liar on teevee last weekend? The man has invented the razor!
That's right...we can't hear anything bad about GNU/Linux or GNU/Debian/GNU.
Ok, now that Debian have a new president, which matters a lot for an open software thing, can we expect Woody to be available in the next 24 months (18 hopefully)?
And this damned Debian thing doesn't.. What a shame
...this is Barksdale Garbee and I pronounce 'Bdale' as 'Bee-Dale'."
Why bother.
In results released by Project Secretary Manoj Srivastava today, Bdale Garbee was elected Project Leader ahead of Raphael Hertzog and Branden Robinson. Congratulations Bdale!
Manoj Srivastava? Bdale Garbee? Raphael Hertzog? Those are some kind of names! Maybe when they went to the court to have their names changed from John Doe, the judge did not have the foresight to just give them each the one name they actually spelled out correctly: Max Power.
Note to self: go to court today to have name changed. Any of the following will be acceptable: Hercules Rockefeller, Rembrandt Q. Einstein... and so on.
Lack of eloquence does not denote lack of intelligence, though they often coincide.
It would set a very dangerous precedent to allow one side to "contest" an election and get it tossed out on a state by state basis. Bedtime for democracy! The votes won't matter anymore, just hire the best attorneys.
Watch the election get decided on whether or not the legal briefs filed by Democrat Party lawyers to toss out Texas voting results are better than the Republican Party filings to toss out the New York State election.
Not that it matters anyway. There is a current push to get rid of any idea of an accurate census by allowing statisticians to make up people to use in the congressional districting process ("statistical sampling", etc.). Then the political parties will be able to conjure up votes without bothering to leave the office and go to court.
The most important thing then will be which party will appoint and oversee the statistician who use their imagination to create the voters in the districts.
how the fuck is this post a troll? it's actually pretty funny... if you've ever heard that old .au file that came with lots of linux distros for testing that your sound card worked (hello, my name is Linus Torvalds and i pronounce linux as linux)
note to moderators.. if you are too stupid to get the fucking joke, don't mod someone down
Why bother.
Maybe they should spend time packaging stuff and not electing "officials" and patting each other on the back.
I find their goals noble, but their organization and package collection is incredibly bloated.
They also discourage bug reports by exposing submitter email addresses on the web.
Of course the "apt-get rulez" folks will mod this down anyway, hence the AC.
Is all well and good, but supposing his campaign was funded by an evil megalomaniac software magnet with dishonourable ambitions. Said person could then get their hands on the source code then we'd all be up up shit creek.
Woah, Debian keeps coming back from the dead. Does that mean *linux is not dying after all? Only just deathly sick and losing out to the more robust BSDs?
Almost thought that Barbee had been elected as Debian Project Leader...
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"Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief."
Testing is that, testing. It will still have bugs in it, unstable is just worse.
If you want something absolutely stable with no bugs, then go for the Debian stable release (currently potato). I realize potato is rather old, but that's just kinda how it works. If you want a proven stable release with more recent software, then sadly, maybe Debian isn't for you.
Just think for a minute little evil branden got elected. He would destroy debian in a matter of days.
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dont you just hate poletics?
Bdale's election was a real blast from the past! In the mid-1980s, a bunch of us ham radio types were trying to get TCP/IP running on packet radio. Phil Karn (KA9Q) wrote a DOS program called "NET" which implemented the stack, a chat-style TELNET, FTP, SMTP and POP. Of course there were many variants and distros. The core maintainer of the code base was Bdale.
;-)
It's quite analogous, I think, to what Linus (Phil's role) and the various distro-maintainers (Bdale's role) do today. So Bdale is in that sense uniquely qualified.
And while Russ Nelson didn't say so (and he was another important player in the NOS/NET project), Bdale's real first name is Arthur. But I didn't tell you.
That guy is going to get the Americans into a real pickle. It's become clear that he is bound and determined to do _something_ at any cost to Human life, suffering, environment and all nations other than the (lately not so) venerable USA.
Now get back to making software, and stop giving yourselves boners with these unimportant "elections".
And you'll read the following headline on /.
:-)
"Barbie releases woody"
That'll get you confused...
I am impressed by the way the voting system works in Debian, it appears to solve any obvious fraud problems associated with e-voting:
Each developer's vote has to be signed by their gpg secret key (the key itself signed by other debian developers and on the public debian keyring), so votes cannot be faked by developers.
Each developer is sent a secret token, which is hashed with their uid and a list of hashes against votes is publically posted - so each developer can check their vote has been counted correctly, without being able to determine whose the other votes were.
Are there any other electronic voting systems that do as well as this?
Before Bdale went back to work for Hewlett-Packard, he worked with their spin off, Agilent Technologies. While he was there, he was my boss. Bdale impressed me from the minute I met him with his knowledge and experience. It was a great personal loss for me when he went to HP, but it has been a great thing for Debian. Expect great things from him!