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Apple Deals with Devil, Communists
rschroeder writes "I keep thinking that this article can't be real, but it looks like it. Among the juicier bits: 'The real operating system hiding under the newest version of the Macintosh operating system (Mac OS X) is called... Darwin! That's right, new Macs are based on Darwinism! While they currently don't advertise this fact to consumers, it is well known among the computer elite, who are mostly Atheists and Pagans. Furthermore, the Darwin OS is released under an 'Open Source' license, which is just another name for Communism.'" Yes, of course. And I am still waiting for Jesux to be released.
That's really it. It's a hoax, and a decent joke at that but it doesn't take much to see that.
Visit the Landover Baptist Church webpage for more fun, logical christian humor.
Guys, this is a spoof. There is no "Fellowship University" do a google search on it for cryin' out loud!
I'm a evangelical pastor. I think Jesus is the only way, I'm also a geek who thinks that the darwin kernel is a wonderful thing. Even spoofs like this make me nervous, because people actually think that evangelicals are taught to think like this (well, they are if they listen to christian radio, I tell my congregation to watch the simpsons instead...).
It has one valid point though....chmod 666 can be an evil command, depending on the file your sicking it on! :-)
The pastor dude is an idiot--'Nuff said. Anyone who can't see past a word or a name, and sees "communism" and "godlessness" behind every corner probably doesn't know his a** from his elbow. It saddens me to think of how many people are so closed- and literally-minded.
That said, I feel strongly that reprisals of the sort that are described here should not be tolerated. I worry that if a DoS is tolerated in this instance, replicating it will be regarded as socially acceptable. So, someone else will write a DoS attack, or a worm, or whatever.
And, whoever writes it will feel he will be held up by his peers here on \. because, after all, they speak about how bad the target of the day (today the document in question, in another Microsoft, in another--who knows?!?).
Win people with your minds and your ideas, not random acts of terrorism. IF they listen, then you truelly have one. If they don't, then you move on.
This OS -- and its Darwin offspring -- extensively use what are called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.) which is a program that hides in the background, doing things without the user's notice. If you are using a new Macintosh running OS X then you probably have these "daemons" on your computer, hardly something a good Christian would want! This clearly illustrates that not only is Macintosh based on Darwinism, but Darwinism is based on Satanism.
Lordy, Lordy, this is so thick that you need a shovel to get rid of that high holy smell.
When looking at *any* kind of text that may or may not be slanted towards or away from any given viewpoint, please keep a look out for the world 'Clearly'. It usually indicates that the author is expecting the reader to make a logic jump that might otherwise not be warranted.
Examples:
Some people who live in capitalist societies are homeless and hungry, therefore we can CLEARLY determine that capitalism is responsible for homelessness and hunger.
Some people who live in socialist societies are oppressed and have no rights. Therefore we can CLEARLY determine that socialism is equivalent to a dearth of human rights.
Religous types are especially bad about this. I am a Christian... a very liberal Christian... but for a long time I lost my faith because of a poorly produced anti-evolution video I was forced to watch in high school (in Texas). Typical contents of the video can be summarized as follows.
Because of [poorly documented and inadequately evidence] we can CLEARLY see that this discovery is a sham designed to discredit the world of our Lord...
'Clearly' gives away propoganda 9 out of 10 times.
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That foot icon is not just for putting in your mouth you know.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
Not really. The whole point of the site, if you were to assume it was real, is to point out anti-creationism or pro-evolution propaganda.
I don't see your point.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
Indeed, people like the author most likely would get quite agitated if you suggested that their charity work was actually "communistic". Sometimes, even in a free capitalist society, it's good to give to the community.
The Mongrel Dogs Who Teach
This is just another one of those articles written by unnoficial members of the Grumpy Old Men From Texas Club. As a theology student, and a MacOS X user, I find Dr. Paley's article quite lamentable. Not only has he utterly failed to disprove any modern myths, he has made a complete fool of himself and Fellowship University. He will never hear the end of the torrent of criticism from both his academic and ecclesiastical peers.
If any slashdotters are unfamiliar with Theology, then please don't let this man give you a poor first impression. If he were to read this article aloud in front of an assembly of people with accredited degrees, he might very well be laughed out of the auditorium.
I'm not sure who I dislike more; idiot people like this who don't know what their talking about bringing computers and religion together in insane ways, or the idiot athiests who look down their noses and say 'See! See what I told you. Look at how silly those closed mided Christians are!'
Darwin was a scientist. He observed phonomonea and came to a conclusion. His findings do not disprove creationism or God. All he has done has provided us with, based on observable phonomonea, the best possible understanding about the development of life on this planet.
It's innane to ignore that in the face of so much compelling evidence. At the same time, athiests take up Darwin's name as a banner with as much fervor, closed mindedness, and compleate lack of a world view as any firebranding preacher.
There is a spirtual side to the Universe. You can ignore it in the lab and get better results, but don't poo-pah people who like to keep it in mind.
The Internet is generally stupid
We spent a lot of time debating that today. The nail in the coffin was when we noticed the site uses the same retailer for its t-shirts as the landover baptist site. I really want a Bazooka Jesus shirt.
-M
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Second nitpick: The Woz chose that price as a joke. It was $666.66, not "666".
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Yes, the Apple II's price was $666.66, but Woz didn't choose it as a joke. It was chosen quite deliberately so that with 5% sales tax (a widely used sales tax percentage) added, the total would be a marketing-friendly $699.99.
Posting anonymously since this is blatantly offtopic.
I would not go so far as to say it's obviously satire. If you look at the lengths they went to to provide links to other Christian sites and texts is pretty extensive. I checked out a lot of the links, especially the ones on the Christian roots of the US and of the US and various state and township Constitutions. On the surface I can see where one might think it is satire, but the level of research and effort that went in to build this monstrosity definitely goes beyond satire.
Some people just are that zealous. Make a subtle, sarcastic anti-linux comment here and see what happens!
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most science seems to refute most of the events of the bible, but that doesn't matter to most christians who simply agree and say "I still believe in the core beliefs" or who find extremely irrational explanations. As someone who attends church weekly for 2 services (I work at one, though I am atheist) I see a startling number of contradictions and ridiculous events presented in religious text.
You still of course have the right to believe, and i'm not denying that. But I too have the right to believe that you are wholly wrong. Don't think your weak arguments will persuade anyone/
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Giving stuff away for free is communistic, but it only matters if it is required.
Insanity is the last line of defence for the master diplomat. But you have to lay the groundwork early.
This sort of stuff is peddled by those that say there is only one way to do things and that's my way - all else is evil/communism/insert_name_here.
The idea of sharing knowledge dates back to the start of recorded history (which is shared knowledge).
This is an evil parody. This is not real. I can't believe so many of you fell for it.
Christians do not believe this tripe. Not even the fundamentalists or evangelicals. If all you know about christianity is what Hollywood and the MPAA tell you, then this guy sound genuine, but it most certainly is not. Distrust all stereotypes. A christian would be as likely to spout this blather as a geek would wear a pocket protector and taped glasses.
The members.truepath.com website is hoax. A very elaborate hoax to be sure, but still a hoax. Just go to the members' bios page if you don't believe me.
The proof of this hoax is simple: there is no theology anwhere. There's a lot of shouting about darwinism, communism and anti-christian terrorists, but I can't find any scriptural references anwhere in their arguments. Not one bible thump in evidence.
I am a christian. I was raised in a christian household. I grew up in the California version of the bible-belt. But I've never met anyone who even remotely resembles these turkeys. Not even the nutbags on the Patriot Network or JT Chick come close.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
I think it might be better for the universe if we humans never make it out of this solar system. I'd really hate to see the kind of harm we could inflict due to the almost willfull stupidity that is so commonly displayed on this planet.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
I disagree with this. I must have a very different impression of communism than most people. To me, the word communism conjures up images of The Hawg Farm, The Rainbow Family, and other 60's style communes rather than images of Stalinst Russia and Maoist China. These types of societies do abolish the concept of personal property for the most part, but it is most certainly voluntary.
Regardless of the fact that this is a hoax: Yes they do have a right to publish such garbage. It's called freedom of speech, and freedom of expression. Freedom of speech is not, and should not be limited because you don't like it.
The ways of gods are mysteriously indistinguishable from chance.
"Observed Instances of Speciation" indicates examples of microevolution only.
"Five Major Misconceptions..." just points to "Observed Instances of Speciation".
"29 Evidences for Macroevolution" says, at the beginning: "Whether microevolutionary theories are sufficient to account for macroevolutionary adaptations is a question that is left open." In other words, they are theorising about macroevolution without a scientific mechanistic basis to support the theories.
It also cops out by saying "In evolutionary theory it is taken as axiomatic that an original self-replicating life form existed in the distant past, regardless of its origin." But that's the hard bit - if you can't explain the first self-replicating life form, then the argument that life appeared from nothing (as opposed to being created) doesn't hold water.
Gerv
Wrong, silly. Read those google results a little more closely.
See all those commas and colons separationg "Fellowship" from "University"?
A moment's inspection reveals: You found a list of resumes of people who did research fellowships at the University of Kansas in Lawrence, Kansas, or medical fellowships at the Medical Center in Kansas City.
Thanks for your post. I have to point something out, though, that is forever being ignored in these discussion, which is that science, and evolutionary science in particular, is not a belief system. I don't "believe in" evolution, or gravity, or optics. I accept the scientific evidence.
There is a serious attempt in the country to make a false equivalence of religion and science, and we must guard against it.
I was going to mention that page too; I think it pretty well cinches the parody theory. My personal favorite is the treasurer/accountant who offers a 10% discount to non-believers willing to convert on the spot.
I have to agree with you. Let me just say for the record that I have been raised very much Christian and I am a conservative Republican. That being said, if this guy is not a hoax, he is definitely a misinformed zealot. The guy doesn't even have his Biblical facts right (at no time does the Bible refer to Adam and Eve eating an "apple" -- in fact, I'm not totally positive about this, but I don't think the Bible uses the word apple aywhere). Whether this guy is for real or not, his article is a great example of everthing bad about people who claim to be "Christians," while the only doctrine they seem to preach is intolerance and hatred. Take your "rock" music for example. My wife was teaching third grade and had a student in her class that was being raised by such religious zealots. She used to turn on a Yanni CD while the kids were working quietly to help keep a quiet mood. One of the kids went home and told Mommy that the teacher was making them listen to some Devil non-Christian music in class. Mommy came and explained with her very best poor grammar that their family only listens to "Chrisian" music (because obviously a song is more spiritual than Yanni's soft music if it says "Jesus" somewhere -- even if said music is loud and obnoxious). A couple of weeks later, this same kid became unusually upset when he lost one of his "good behavior" tokens for the day. My wife tried to console him and tell him that he had five of them every day (fifteen for the week) and that losing one every now and then was no big deal. All of the kids lost a token every once in a while. By this time the kid was crying, but he finally managed to explain to her that if he lost any of his behavior tokens on a given day, he was not given dinner that night. By this time, my wife was downright pissed with these people, so she proceed to call the good Christian parents, arrange a meeting, and chew them out. Of course, they had a hard time dealing with an educated person, so they just lied, contradicted themselves several times, and finally she let them go.
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I read your article concerning evolution and the linking of certain computer operating systems and inferring their maniacal perversion of users into evolutionists. I am troubled by some of your logic and reasoning.
First let me introduce myself-- I am a believer in Jesus Christ. He is The Savior, the Son of God, and God Incarnate. He was virgin born and Perfect-- without sin. I was middle and high school educated in a Christian environment, and worked for many years in Christian ministries. I am politically conservative. Yes, I do work for NASA now; I am contractor that Administers unix servers for the Space Station project. I, and many other people who work for the Space Agency, are firm and out spoken believers who stress that Space Exploration can show the majesty of our creator. It does not imply that we are godless evolutionists looking for life, aliens, or any other such nonsense as you might want to infer.
Now...
The development name of the Apple OS X (or Ten) certainly was called Darwin. True. Somebody, some manager or Pointy-Haired Boss, decided that they would call the new OS (Operating System) Darwin because 1) it will be "the next best thing", 2) a great leap forward in computing. Yup, that certainly smacks of computer evolution. I would much rather they called it Genesis-- but that name is trademarked, so that's out.
But now the OS is released and for sale as "Darwin"? No, it's called OS X-- or Operating System 10. Apple's previous OS was 8-- so they skipped 9. Big deal. Should people burn their Macs and go buy Windows? No-- because using a piece of software does not effect their spiritual, mental, political (sould/mind/heart) processes in that way.
Think about the alternative. Windows. Did you know that Windows began working on their "next evolutionary Operating System" back in'92? Do you know what their Code Name was? Cairo. You presumeably use Windows-- at least 95 or 98 version since you don't like Macs or Unix. Did you know that a good deal of that OS is built on Cairo techonology? Does that make you an evolutionist? Does that make you an Islamic Terrorist? I don't think so.
Being an evolutionist is a heart/soul/mind condition. Not a favorite computer. Making a connection like that is just absurd.
You also stress that the Mac OS X is built on BSD technology. This is also true-- it is one of it's greatest strengths. Here is more fuel for your fire-- but the B in BSD stands for Berkely. Egads! That's the foundation of the LSD movement, wasn't it? That makes Mac users freaked out druggies, doesn't it? No.
Sun Microsystems also uses BSD technology in their Solaris operating systems. As does IBM in AIX, SGi, HP, and Linux. It was developed by AT&T waaaaay back in the 70's. It certainly is not obsolete. It is very powerful and extremely functional. That is why Microsoft and Apple are constantly integrating functionality from these environments into their systems.
Off the top of my head I can't remember why the services were called "daemons". I don't like it... but I take joy in the fact that I am often "terminating" daemons on machines with problems. It is rewarding... but I digress.
Using a name for a service type as reason to abhore a computing system is ridiculous. I, assuming that you do use Windows since that is the only other alternative to Mac or Unix, notice that you did not discuss Windows' Wizards. Shocking, really. Windows is constantly running little Wizards to help users configure their computer and setup this or that. We all know that Wizards are witches and Satan worshippers. So using your same arguments and assumptions, I can assume that you are an Islamic Terrorist Warlock. Very odd.
If all this were true, I don't think I would like you very much, Mr. Paley. But I would love you through Christ, and pray that you would come to know him. I would not attack you on your beliefs, or your computers. I certainly would not publish such irrational arguments about you.
I apologize for taking such an offense with you; I believe you are a good man and do not wish to attack you. I think your arguments were very weak and not well thought out. Your intentions were good and honorable. Your motive pure. The plan was faulted.
Instead of attacking people and their computers and operating systems, how about attacking the problem? The problem is not what computer they use, but how they use it. What they use it for. Mr. Dawkins' program written for Mac mentioned in your article could just as easily been written in Windows. Probably with minimal work, I could make it run in Windows or Unix. Attacking the people, I've noticed, is not very helpful either. It is ironic that that was what I used to make my point. I apologize for that and I hope my hypocrisy was not in vain. Reach out, touch and change hearts with God's Truth and Love... not attacking and tearing down people that still need to be saved.
I haven't the time or energy to talk about the Communist-freeware comparison. I like getting free software; I don't mind paying for something really good, but I like it even better when it is free. There is nothing wrong with someone giving away their code and programs. I find it admirable. There are people who make it their religion, but they need to be reached and loved in the same manner as any other man. Not attacked. Not called-names.
Thank you for time.
"You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas"
Sen. Davy Crocket to US Congress, Nov. 1, 1835