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Apple Releases New PowerBook and the eMac

Martin Kallisti writes "Apple has released new PowerBook models whose improvements include faster processors (up to 800MHz), better resolution, 1MB of L3 cache and 32MB of video memory. Also, a new computer looking much like the old iMacs, called the eMac, has seen the light of day. It's primarily targeted at the education market, and boasts a 700MHz G4 processor and a flat 17" monitor. " As Troc pointed out in another submission, the eMac will be available only to profs/teachers, students and higher education institutions.

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  1. Re:Education only!? by fraserspeirs · · Score: 5, Informative

    The point is that it's a machine designed specifically for education. It has some features and options that consumers don't really want.

    One case in point is the CD-ROM only option. Schools like this for security reasons, but who wants to buy a CD-ROM only machine for personal use?

    When he introduced the new iMac, Jobs said that they had listened to consumers top 3 requests - Flat Screen, G3 and Superdrive.

    The thing about the flat screen is a bit of a killer in education for two reasons - primarly cost, and secondly durability. Schools want the G4 power, but not the extra hassle of the LCD iMac . I'm an admin for a school, and we're certainly leery of the potential for the arm getting busted.

    I think the point of edu-only is to give schools what they want and need, without complicating the product line for the general public. I mean, how do explain the differences between the eMac and the basic iMac?

  2. Re:Screen Resolution ? by Filarion · · Score: 2, Informative

    1280 x 854 is the new resolution, as compared to 1152 x 768 before. One major addition for me as sound engineer is the adition of a Audio Line in, which until now was missing from the Tibooks.

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  3. Re:Font change by sh4de · · Score: 2, Informative

    The eMac logotype font is Adrian Frutiger's namesake font, Frutiger. It's very elegant looking for a sans-serif cut, a good choice for the logo.

    The eMac being targeted at educational markets, I guess they wanted also the logo to reflect the fresh new design. Apple's Garamond is, after all, almost straight out of Claude Garamond's wood type and hundreds of years old.

  4. Re:Doh by troc · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are confusing your iBooks with your PowerBooks ;)

    The iBook is still around 1200 as before and the PowerBook is still around 2200 as before but the PowerBook is now a bit faster (and has better graphics etc etc....)

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  5. Only while supplies are low by DABANSHEE · · Score: 5, Informative

    You see Apple has large Education Dept & university/tech/college contracts.

    This is for them.

    But once supplies get into gear, & the price for that spec starts to decrease, they'll open sales for them to the general public, you watch.

    The way it will work is that large contracts with Education Dept & universities/techs/colleges will get 1st go.

    Then Education staff will be able to by them from the collage Apple shop or through college book & supply shops.

    Then it will be anyone with a student card buying from the collage Apple shop or through college book & supply shops.

    Then they'l be sold in public stores but only to Education institions, education staff & people with student cards.

    Finally when they have gone through all this routine over about 6 months & if supplies stock up a bit, then they'll be released for general sale.

    That's the way its occured here where I am, in the past when Apple has released 'education only' products.

  6. Re:Font change by d0n+quix0te · · Score: 4, Informative

    No the font is Myriad, which is similar to Frutiger but different. I tried both fonts and Myriad is the exact match!

    Adobe also seems to love this font...

  7. Re:The eMac still isn't ergonomic by Riskable · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually (from the Apple website)...

    Five screen resolutions:
    640 by 480 pixels at 138 Hz
    800 by 600 pixels at 112 Hz
    1024 by 768 pixels at 89 Hz
    1152 by 864 pixels at 80 Hz
    1280 by 960 pixels at 72 Hz


    The eMac has a 17 inch display. Who the hell is going to run that thing at 1280x960!?! I'm sure your eyes would be just fine running at the recommended resolution of 1024x768 @89 Hz.

    The actual range of the human eye for refresh rate is somewhere around 60-72 Hz anyway. So even if you do run at that way-too-big-for-this-screen resolution, you're still at the top of the spectrum.

    Unless you're some sort of X-mutated cyclopse with a high-refresh eye, you'll be fine.

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  8. Re:Education only!? by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Apple charge 2-3 times US prices outside the States"

    That is a flat-out lie. Apple actually charge something like a 5-10% on top outside the US. An example is the iPod $399 (before tax) in the USA, £349 (279 before tax) in the UK. According to www.ft.com, that makes the before tax UK price equivalent to $406. There's a surcharge there for sure, but it's not a large one. I don't work for Apple but your post is plain misinformation and FUD.

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  9. Re:Introducing the new, more DROPPABLE eMac by SlamMan · · Score: 2, Informative

    15 pounds of bigger monitor and heat sink?

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  10. Re:Font change by rbeattie · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't have either font, but here's the links to the Adobe font pages.

    Frutiger
    and
    Myriad MM

    -Russ

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  11. Re:Doh by acrollet · · Score: 2, Informative

    terminfo files can be generated, though it's kind of a pain to propogate them (check out my hint on macosxhints.com)

    however, the easy way is to just fire up screen

  12. Re: Actually I prefer the existing VGA connector by awharnly · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's a very tough problem. I wonder what you can do about it?

    One idea would be to use the included DVI->VGA adaptor.

  13. Specs and Prices by computer_chacham · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the education store--

    $999.00

    700MHz
    PowerPC G4
    128MB SDRAM
    40GB Ultra ATA drive
    CD-ROM drive
    No Modem

    $1,199.00

    700MHz
    PowerPC G4
    128MB SDRAM
    40GB Ultra ATA drive
    Combo drive (DVD/CD-RW)
    56K internal modem

    $1,456.00

    700MHz
    PowerPC G4
    512MB SDRAM
    40GB Ultra ATA drive
    Combo drive (DVD/CD-RW)
    56K internal modem
    eMac Stand

  14. Re:The eMac still isn't ergonomic by p3d0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This "human eye" thing is bull. Under some circumstances, I can tell the difference between 72Hz and 100Hz, and I'm pretty sure I have human eyes.

    There are at least two reasons that higher is better:

    1. Interference with fluorescent bulbs. Your ambient lighting might have an imperceptible variation in brightness at a frequency slightly different from your refresh rate. When that happens, it is the difference between the two frequencies that you perceive as flicker.

    2. Motion blur. Things that move on a computer screen have no motion blur: they are a series of static images. (Well, some high-end video cards do motion blur I think.) Moving images with no motion blur look very strange and sometimes confusing, and appear to flicker. (An example of this is the opening battle from Gladiator, in which motion blur was reduced to enhance the impression of chaos.) One way to simulate motion blur is to have tons of frames per second. For instance, if you have 5 times more FPS than your eye can perceive, then each five frames will effectively blur together, creating a more natural-looking motion with less flicker.

    I'm sure there are more effects I haven't thought of, but you get the idea: it's not just about having enough frames to fool the eye. For #1, the key is not only high frame rate, but a frame rate sufficiently different from that of your ambient lighting (and its harmonics, I guess). For #2, the higher the frame rate the better: there is no limit. Fast-moving animations will always benefit from more FPS.

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  15. Re:Compare old Powerbooks with the new by analog_line · · Score: 5, Informative

    Informative my fat white ass.

    If you actually look at the pages, what is now the low end was the high end model before this announcement, and is now $500 cheaper. The old 550mhz G4 laptops are no longer available from the Apple Store anymore. The new options are more expensive than what used to be on there, but they're better. Materials didn't magically start costing less.

  16. Re:Compare old Powerbooks with the new by popeyethesailor · · Score: 3, Informative

    You mean the price for the older configuration has come down..

    667mHz was around ~3000, now its around 2500..
    Depends on which way you look at it mate :)

  17. Same size by axlrosen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pretty cool, the 17" CRT eMac is the same depth as the 15" CRT iMac (17.1 inches), and only .8 inches taller and wider. That's pretty impressive.

    http://www.apple.com/education/emac/specs.html
    http://www.apple.com/imac/g3/specs.html

    (For some reason in the marketing description they say it's 8mm shorter, not sure why.)

  18. Re:Education only!? by LoadStar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ahh, Artemis. For those of you not in the loop with Apple's code names, this is the machine alternately known as the Power Macintosh G3 All-In-One, the AIO, the Performa G3, and the "MolarMac."

    The latter name, of course, referring to it's shape - vaguely looking akin to a giant molar tooth. You can see pictures of it on Apple-History. I personally don't consider it all that unattractive - not the best design in the world, but I've seen worse from PC manufacturers.

    Nice part about the MolarMac? It was basically the full beige G3 desktop design in an all-in-one housing - meaning, if I recall correctly, it had 3 PCI slots and a ZIF slot for upgrading the processor. Bad part? 60+ pounds of computer does not lend well to portability. Don't bother security cabling it down - the sheer heft alone will keep it in place. :-)

  19. The Quake test by kruczkowski · · Score: 3, Informative

    "3D games push the graphics processing unit harder than any other application. And of these 3D games, Quake performance has come to be the benchmark against which all graphics processors are measured. So you'll be pleased to hear that when playing the Quake III Arena version 1.30, in millions of colors, at 1024x768 resolution, the 800MHz PowerBook G4 blazes away at a scorching 68 frames per second.*

    * Higher frame rates indicate better performance. Tests conducted by Apple."

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  20. Re:Availability by pudge · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, you can set it to that res, but it will look like crap. There's a fixed number of pixels; to get a lower res you have to use anti-aliasing, pixel doubling, etc.

  21. Re:Apple on the cutting edge? by Surlyboi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't mention that Air-port thing; no one bothered with that.

    Yeah, no one but Dell, Microsoft,Compaq,
    I think you get the picture...

    Gotta love it when the AC trolls post drivel...

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  22. Re:Yes, but... by stripes · · Score: 3, Informative
    It runs OS X; who knows, it might already be part of the default install.

    Hmmmm...
    $ uname -a
    Darwin
    [...] 5.4 Darwin Kernel Version 5.4: Wed Apr 10 09:27:47 PDT 2002; root:xnu/xnu-201.19.3.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc
    $ which emacs
    /usr/bin/emacs

    Seems to have it, vi is a bit more my style though (it's too bad OSX doesn't also have w3m...). Even has ssh, and ssd (and a click box to turn it on).

  23. Very recent G4 vs. Athlon vs. P4 benchmarks by Kargan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I, for one, found these results to be quite interesting, bearing in mind that the website is sort of a Macintosh-oriented one, and the fact that they have results using the dual G4-1000MHz, etc.

    http://www.barefeats.com/pentium4.html

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  24. Re:AIX on PowerPC by saintlupus · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wonder if the new Apple PowerPC's can run the POWERPC version of AIX?

    No. It's a fairly different chip. The only Apples that ever ran AIX were the short-lived Apple Network Servers, which shipped with it.

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  25. Re:Dandy for the home by dhamsaic · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you had spent any time with the new iMacs you would know that there's no way in hell a 3 year old could break that "neck". It's just not happening.

    That having been said, the eMac is nice because it boasts a larger screen, which is good for the kiddies.

    That having been said, it's harder to adjust the eMac's viewing angle than it is the iMac's, so you may need to purchase some booster seats.

    All in all, I think the iMac is better for kids, but that's my personal opinion. I think it suits them better. YMMV, of course.

    Good luck with picking out the right one (I'd recommend going to an Apple store or another Apple reseller to play with them first).

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