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Klez, The Virus that Keeps on Giving

kylus writes "Wired is running a story about the continued escapades of the Klez virus, and the damage--both to finances and reputations--that it is leaving behind. Between emails from a dead friend and porno spam appearing to be sent from a priest, I think "Don't Believe the 'From' Line" is the correct lesson." God bless microsoft email viruses. I'm on a modem for a few weeks and downloading countless megs of mail viruses is extremely frusterating. Course I'm still getting sircams.

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  1. Virus writers and spammers by Vicegrip · · Score: 4, Funny

    May they spend the rest of eternity having to listen to Oral Roberts sermons

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  2. Scripts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hrm, I can't think of any practical uses of scripting in emails anyway. Can anyone help me out?

    1. Re:Scripts by grahamsz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So targetted marketing campaigns can track which users look at what and for how long.

    2. Re:Scripts by phyxeld · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hrm, I can't think of any practical uses of scripting in emails anyway. Can anyone help me out?

      Microsoft hasn't gotten rid of scripting in Outlook because it's required for nasty email viruses like Klez to spread, which in turn allows microsoft to step in and "save the day", which leads to news headlines like "Microsoft releases latest Outlook security patch", "Microsoft patch to block "Love"-like viruses", and, my favorite, "Microsoft to secure e-mail".

      To the average schmoe who doesn't realize these viruses are only possible because of microsoft's stupidity, it would appear that microsoft is valiantly fighting the inevitable battle against nasty virus-writing hackers.

      </conspiracy theory>

      Or maybe they're really just so stupid that they think scripting in emails is such a great feature it's worth putting up with all this bullshit. If you ask me, HTML email isn't even needed. Plain ol' text usually works fine for me; most of the HTML emails I get are spam and the few that aren't usually have a text/plain version as well.

      Notice that the last article I linked to sounds like a pretty solid fix: Users will be suposedly prompted before any emailed scripts do anything, and given a yes/no dialog to stop them from doing anything bad. Seems like a good idea. Unfortunetly, that article is dated June 2000, so clearly it didn't work out... Anyone know what the deal with that is?

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    3. Re:Scripts by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually it's because some very large clients with tens of thousands of seats have built entire middleware on exchange/outlook. Things like a remote salesman gets a PO from a client, they go into a product catalog in their web browser, it creates the order, places it in their outbox, then when they get in the office it fires the email which automatically gets routed based on rules on the exchange side of things (like if over x million skip a few middle managers etc). Nowadays most of this would be done with intranets and java middleware driving the business logic, but for companies that have tens of millions invested in their solutions they don't want outlook to go back to being an email client.

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    4. Re:Scripts by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 3, Informative

      This can easily be done with a call to a remote image generating script, which passes a unique id as a argument.

  3. Worse than porn spam from a priest... by brooks_talley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Try operating a legit, non-spamming adult site that's worked hard for years to get a decent reputation, only to have klez emails that appear to come from your customer support email address.

    People are going to believe a priest when it's explained that it was a virus; nobody is going to believe a legit company that's operating in an industry where so much spam originates.

    Argh.
    -b

    1. Re:Worse than porn spam from a priest... by HiThere · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why are you going to believe the priest was innocent?

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    2. Re:Worse than porn spam from a priest... by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or finding a good lawyer.

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  4. f-prot and perl solved my problems by Nos. · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After getting infected with sircam (My mcafee wasn't updating or scanning properly for some reason) I decided to say screw it, and start scanning email on my server. Now, anything that comes in, gets scanned firts. If f-prot can't find anything, then it gets delivered, otherwise it never show up in my inbox. If you want a look at what I did, check out my scanner.

    1. Re:f-prot and perl solved my problems by ScoLgo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      After I got burned a few times by Norton coming out with an upgrade 2 hours AFTER I got infected, I stopped relying on it.

      This is the whole problem with anti-virus software. Your best defense is your brain, not relying on someone else to write a defense program for you.

      I have a novice friend who recently asked me about viruses. He runs Win98, IE5, OE5. I helped him with security settings and explained the significance of file extensions to him. Even my beginner buddy easily understood that having a secondary extension on an e-mail attachment is a red flag to not open that attachment. That knowledge, along with some logical security settings, (scripting host 'off', please), is your best defense against these viruses. My brother-in-law OTOH, opened a virus recently and is waiting for me to come over and clean it off for him. It's an 80-mile drive so I think I'll let him stew for a couple days. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson.

      Sidebar - One of the biggest complaints I have about the default Windows install is that it hides extensions of known file types. Who was the genius at Microsoft that made that decision?

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  5. Save your bandwidth by shepd · · Score: 5, Informative

    telnet mail.xyz.com 110

    user (username)
    pass (password)
    list
    top (number of message to check) (kb to read)
    dele (message to delete)
    retr (number of message to read entirely)
    quit

    Quicker, cheaper, easier. This was one of the best tips I got from a friendly sysadmin. :)

    Of course, I would ask why CmdrTaco didn't check the RFC, but hey, who am I to question slashdot's leader? ;)

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    1. Re:Save your bandwidth by elefantstn · · Score: 5, Funny
      Of course, I would ask why CmdrTaco didn't check the RFC...


      Because it doesn't work if you spell all the commands wrong.
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    2. Re:Save your bandwidth by rediguana · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you want a pretty windoze gui for doing the same thing, and free as in 'beer' / nagware, try Mailwasher. The ability to bounce spam and delete virii from POP boxs before downloading, not to mention dickheads who send huge emails is very useful. It has saved me numerous times.

    3. Re:Save your bandwidth by SysKoll · · Score: 3, Informative

      I totally agree, it's how I check my email from friends' machines when said friend does not want me to mess up with his POP account setup.

      However, it is time consuming to view each message this way.

      Small remark: the TOP command takes as arguments the message number and the number of lines (not the number of kilobytes) to display.
      TOP 1 20
      will display the first twenty lines of message 1.

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  6. Klez, Klez.h, Klez.I, over 7.2% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting


    They infect or have infected 7.2% of all computers. (more than any other virii)

    A windows version for cleaning your pc of Klez. (and removes Nimbda, Melissa, etc.)

    1. Re:Klez, Klez.h, Klez.I, over 7.2% by dodald · · Score: 3, Informative
      He may not, but I do :), not sure how acurate this stuff is be here goes.

      http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2109354,00. html

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  7. Number One with a bullet... by gurth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The number of virus alerts I get from my mail gateway has been inundated with Klez for the last week or so. Identifying remote infections was at least possible with Magistr variants, as it only did minor iterative changes to email addresses. Klez lives on an entirely different stratum of nuisance.

  8. The average user? by marekk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the Wired article:
    "Anytime you have a virus that is not easily identifiable visually, it tends to linger," Rod Fewster, Australian representative for antiviral application NOD32, said. "SirCam and Klez both vary the subject lines of the e-mails they send, which makes it hard for the average user to spot."
    Unfortunately, I'm sure the average user can't spot any e-mail viruses, let alone ones that change their subject line. While Outlook/Outlook Express greatly facilitates the spread of these viruses, a large part of the problem lies in the fact that too many people click on attachments and/or don't run proactive AntiVirus software on their system.
  9. Really, how common are these things? by Malc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Course I'm still getting sircams"

    I've been working for 2.5 years for a company that uses Exchange and Outlook. Most of my friends and colleagues use Outlook or Outlook Express at work and home, although I still use Netscape for personal stuff. I've received 2 email viri ever, and neither of them were the "common" ones like Melissa or SirCam. It leaves me wondering if people are making a big fuss out of nothing, and being a bit sensationalist or simply an anti-Microsoft bigot.

    1. Re: Really, how common are these things? by ttyp0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Quite common. If you just sit and post on slashdot all day, then no, you probably aren't much of a target for virii. However, I run 3 large websites, active on 10 mailing lists and send close to 50 emails a day. My email address is spread all over the Internet like a bad case of herpes. In return I get close to 30 - 40 infected emails a day. That was before I installed a virus scanner on my mail server.

  10. Try qmail-scanner by Havokmon · · Score: 4, Informative
    Qmail Scanner uses the qmailqueue patch, supports your favortite virus scanner (FProt free for Linux), MIME decoding, and hacked up MS email.

    Works wonders

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  11. Mailing-lists by chrysalis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The worst thing about that virus is that it has massively hit a lot of mailing-lists.

    Interesting threads on mailing lists died because of this. People got insulted although they didn't send anything. A lot of people unsubscribed from mailing-lists due to this.

    So people installed antivirus software, personal firewalls, etc. The result was that on mailing-list, instead of having tons of viruses, we got tons of "alert: you have sent a virus, it has been removed by our robot", that is as frustrating as the original virus.

    Thanks a lot to Microsoft for being responsible of the most annoying viruses so far.


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    1. Re:Mailing-lists by gwernol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thanks a lot to Microsoft for being responsible of the most annoying viruses so far.

      Isn't that a bit like holding Napster responsible for all theft of music that happens on its systems, or the manufacturers of CD-RW drives for all software piracy done on their machines? That's the argument used by the supporters of DCMA and other nasty bills that outlaw fair use.

      The scum-wad(s) who wrote the virus are responsible for its actions. Microsoft should do a better job of writing secure software, but the primary responsibility lies with the virus writer. Any responsibility born by Microsoft is equalled by the responsibility born by those users who don't apply security updates and don't run up-to-date firewall and virus checking software.

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    2. Re:Mailing-lists by tswinzig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't that a bit like holding Napster responsible for all theft of music that happens on its systems, or the manufacturers of CD-RW drives for all software piracy done on their machines? That's the argument used by the supporters of DCMA and other nasty bills that outlaw fair use.

      If Microsoft hadn't enabled braindead default settings in Outlook/Outlook Express, things wouldn't be as bad as they are. Most of these viruses exploit holes in versions of Outlook/OE that are very popular. Sure, there are patches, but try getting people to install them. Then they have to reinstall Windows for some reason, they put OE or Outlook back on, and leave it unpatched.

      Microsoft will continue to get hammered over this until Outlook XP and subsequent versions reach critical mass, because those versions have some sane defaults (including not allowing any access to executable attachments finally!).

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    3. Re:Mailing-lists by Anarchofascist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The scum-wad(s) who wrote the virus are responsible for its actions. Microsoft should do a better job of writing secure software, but the primary responsibility lies with the virus writer.

      Who should bear responsibility, the architect who designs and builds 95% of houses in the world pre-installed with piles of oily rags, kindling and soaked in kerosene, or the pissy little vandal who finally threw one match?

      Shared responsibility between Microsoft and the vandals. Obviously. But Microsoft methodically lies about how secure their products are. At least the vandal's motives are plain and honest.

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    4. Re:Mailing-lists by ewhac · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't that a bit like holding Napster responsible for all theft of music that happens on its systems, or the manufacturers of CD-RW drives for all software piracy done on their machines?

      No, it's not.

      "Those who do not understand UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly."
      -- Henry Spencer

      Computer science and computer security experts have been saying for years that Micros~1 hasn't got the first fscking clue when it comes to writing solid, reliable, secure code. This despite the fact that there have been several examples of, if not ideal solutions, good first approaches to the problem. Indeed, to create WinNT, Microsoft snarfed the VMS team from DEC, a bunch of guys who understood those principles.

      And yet, despite the mountains of examples both within and without the company, despite the millions of computers blue-screening every damned day, Microsoft willfully persists in making the same stupid mistakes.

      As is well-known, Word macro viruses were a big problem in years past. This was because Microsoft made a series of impossibly moronic decisions:

      • To incorporate a macro facility into Word directly (rather than as an external engine driven by IPC protocols, where access controls can be applied in a uniform manner),
      • To embed the macros into the Word documents directly, rather than as separate macro files (thus making it impossible for the user to distinguish between a normal document and an "active" one),
      • To set the default condition to run the macros automatically upon document loading, without informing the user,
      • To, by default, not inform the user that any of this idiocy was going on.

      Okay, fine, so Microsoft got bitten by their would-be cleverness, but they cleaned up their act, right? They learned their lesson, right?

      No. Not only did they refuse to acknowledge that they had fscked up royally, they went and deliberately committed the same errors again and again:

      • Not only does IE uncritically implement JavaScript, it also throws in Visual Basic scripting and ActiveX, all of which are turned on by default. This condition is identical to that which propogated the Word macro virus fiasco. Even their "secure" execution environments hasn't prevented hostile Web sites from hijacking the browser.
      • Outlook likewise, without user intervention, will extract and launch embedded content while simultaneously hiding it from the user. The damn thing doesn't even check to make sure the MIME type and the filename extension are consistent.

      There's a term for this kind of behavior: Willful negligence. Oh, you can point out that there are security update downloads. But you can't ignore the fact that, if Microsoft had followed basic security principles, if they had learned from their own history -- hell, if they'd even extended common courtesy to their users -- this sort of thing wouldn't have happened in the first place.

      This isn't an honest mistake. This is a pattern with over twenty years of history behind it.

      Any responsibility born by Microsoft is equalled by the responsibility born by those users who don't apply security updates and don't run up-to-date firewall and virus checking software.

      I agree that uneducated users are a big problem. But, especially with the advent of broadband connectivity, what Microsoft has effectively done is to give a loaded Uzi with the safety off to eight-year-olds, and then fail to train them in its use or even tell them where the safety lock is.

      Microsoft touts its products as turnkey, ready-to-go, fire-and-forget, no setup, no configuration, no need to learn computer-ese, just sit down and become productive immediately. This is misleading in the extreme. Training is required; proper configuration is required (because Microsoft keeps setting the defaults wrong). As such, I feel Microsoft bears a significant burden of responsibility for the havoc their software has wreaked on the Internet.

      Schwab

  12. Just another reason... by Gizzmonic · · Score: 4, Funny

    to use a Mac.

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    1. Re:Just another reason... by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Using a Mac (or, in my case, Linux) isn't going to help you. The problem isn't that you get infected with the virus, it's that other people who are infected are going to either:

      1. Send you tons of mail with huge attachments

      or

      2. Send other people tons of mail with huge attachments and list you as the return address

  13. Typical. by scrytch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The patch that prevents this has been out for over a year now. It's downloadable here. Microsoft included the patch with IE6 and IE5 SP2, so if you have either, you don't need it.

    Good dose of blame goes all around here.

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  14. it's a boon for email farmers by mo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Klez passed through my work a ways back and ever since then we've all been getting all kinds of spam. From what we can figure, the virus replied to all kinds of spam with the From line set to everybody's email address, including mine. So even though I hardly ever give my email away except for work issues, i'm now inundated with spam. Makes me think that someday some spammer out there will write a virus solely to collect email addresses.

  15. This thing is nasty by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Funny

    A week or so I start getting all these emails from different mailbox administrators, etc. informing me that emails I was trying to send had invalid addresses.

    I'm looking at them and it shows my address in the from area and it was mostly spam for beastiality sites. My wife went ballistic.

    I got tons of them back as undeliverable. How many made it through? And now people think I was sending them spam for a porn site.

    They were coming back to my wife's WIN98 machine, so she called MS. The help desk chick tells her "Someone else has a virus and it is sending out emails w/your address" So my wife says "What do I do?" and they tell her to update her virus definitions. My wife said, "But you just told me that the virus is not on my computer, someone else has it. Is there nothing that I can do?" the girl says "Well download new virus definitions and check for service packs"

    The whole thing was rather humorous.

    .

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  16. Virii? What Virii? by kindbud · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ever since we stopped allowing people to receive executable attachments (thanks to MIMEdefang!), the virii have all but disappeared. There is no need to scan for virii on a mail server. Just get rid of executable attachments (there's a big list of them in MIMEdefang's example configuration). All these trojans use stupid Outlook auto-execute tricks/bugs/features to propagate. Executables shouldn't be sent as a direct attachment anyway. Either wrap it up in a zip file (the recipient has no excuse when he infects himself) or put it up on the ftp site and send a URL. This has got to be one of the basic elements of securing a network where Outlook users lurk - no executable attachments (picture Joan Crawford on a rampage).

    MIMEdefang also gives us the ability to call Mail::Spamassassin from a sendmail Milter, something Spamassassin itself does not yet support. The latest version also supports the File::Scan module for writing virus scanners in perl.

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  17. Help For Windows Users by Servo5678 · · Score: 3, Informative
    I use a freeware, non-spyware, small Windows program called Popcorn to check all my e-mail before I download it to Outlook Express. Popcorn does not support attachments at all, it shows received attachments as base64-encoded text. It's great for filtering out junk, I just delete it from the server directly.

    http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/ is the website for the program.

    I have nothing to do with the program or its development, I'm just a happy user.

  18. Re:Using open relays to boot by trix_e · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Last thing is that I hate the Corporates assigning a value on a virus. 10 billion done by Melissa. OK. Show me the physical harm done to your computers.


    it's not the *physical* harm... it's the freaking man-years of time that is wasted. IT departments are strapped enough as it is, but then lump on top of that all of the time spent chasing crap like this down, and it *is* a strain on resources (bandwidth, server drive space, and the valuable attention it takes to diagnose and resolve a particular problem). The cost is real. Whether it's $10B or not, I have no idea, but it certainly isn't trivial.

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  19. Klez Virus by feldkamp · · Score: 3, Informative

    We got hit by Klez (AMG; allmusic.com). Let me tell you, it SUCKED. This was a really potent virus. It got in through our video department (somebody opened an email...) and from there, it spread through some shared network apps. Within an hour or so, virtually everyone was toasted.

    Since this one spread through exe's, and since it was one strain of like 20 different Klez variants, cleaning was a real bitch. Luckily, I'm in programming, so I didn't have to do much of the visit-everyone's-machine thing. I did have to format my box, tho, as all my applications (including system apps) were hosed.

    mike feldkamp

  20. Re:Pornographic attachments from priests? by xZAQx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pretty funny.

    Keep in mind the hundreds of priests now being wrongfully prosecuted due to a stererotype that is spreading like wildfire. Bear in mind how it is ruining their lives.

    I love how on slashdot, insults and slander made about religion are modded as funny, yet if I were to say, "Porn from black people? What was it, pictures of fried chicken?" I'd be modded as a troll. It's all ignorance; it's all slander; it's all hatred. Stop modding self-righteous science-worshipping trolls like the parent up.

    Although, I'm sure that now I'll be modded as a troll. Whatever.

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  21. Re:that is what by MisterBlister · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You don't need to be infected by Klez to be spoofed. If you're simply in the contact lists of anyone who gets infected, people might get some odd spam that's 'from you'. So not only can you not run outlook but you have to make sure nobody that emails you or might add you to their email contact lists runs outlook...Good luck.

    Unfortunately Microsoft can't take ALL the blame for the problems of Klez... The SMTP itself is inherently insecure to begin with and anyone can send mail that looks like it is from anyone else. Of course you can deduce that the mail is probably not from the source it says it is by tracing the SMTP headers back, but that's esoteric geek knowledge that not many people have relative to the total number of people who use email.

  22. The real solution by pmz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is for the World to begin the arduous and expensive task of removing Microsoft software from their computers.

    The first step is to eliminate Outlook for e-mail. There are other options, even Emacs, that really aren't too user unfriendly.

    The second step is to eliminate Office for shared documents. There are other options, perhaps Open Office, that will be less prone to viruses and will be more maintainable over time.

    The third step is to begin evaluating other operating systems besides Windows. This is harder, because it will be difficult to replace all the software that was useful in Windows. Over time, however, a fairly comprehensive list can be developed, and a plan can be made to make the switch to a non-Windows OS.

    The fourth step is to take the plunge and dump Windows entirely. This may be the hardest step, because this is where the most learning needs to take place. But it is just a matter of time before users adapt to the new environment.

    This is what I have been doing at home and know it isn't easy to make a full transition. However, I have found adequate replacements for nearly everything and am pretty satisfied with the results.

    This doesn't have to be an all-Free-all-the-time solution, either, because there really is a way to mix open and closed software to meet your needs. It just takes research, time, and patience to find that Microsoft really doesn't rule the world at all--they just want us to think they do.

  23. Re:modem's and email - the solution by reaper20 · · Score: 3, Informative

    hmmm, that web interface look suspiciously like squirrelmail.

    IMAP Rules, plain and simple. Take an old PC, throw Debian on it, and use courier+postfix+squirrelmail+procmail+spamassassin +maildirs and all mail problems tend to disappear.

  24. I'm impressed. by EvilNight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The person who wrote this spent some time thinking of the way to do the most damage. This virus nails you to the wall the instant it infects someone who just has your email address. That was some vicious thinking. The problems caused by this virus actually extend into social engineering. Pure genius.

    Makes you wonder what else they'll come up with...

    Maybe someday we'll have security, and patch this sort of thing...

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  25. f-prot and perl CAN'T SOLVE THE REAL PROBLEM by doja · · Score: 3, Informative

    The real problem is that Klez is emailing itself from an infected machine to a flood of people using your and my email address in the From: line. Not only does this cause a ton of people to respond to you and me saying "you must have a virus" or thinking that we really think that this penis enlargement solution works (or that we need one) -- but, it distributes your email address to others who may potentially get infected themselves, who may in turn infect others. Next thing you know, your email address that you've been so diligent about keeping somewhat private is inundated with spam and viruses.

  26. Re:that is what by damiam · · Score: 5, Funny

    I also use Outlook, and I have had no viruses. I suspect the reason is that neither of us has any friends.

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  27. Re:that is what by Surlyboi · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is what happens when you don't use protection

    Yes. Remember. when you have unsafe email with
    someone, you're having email with all the
    other people that person's had unsafe email with...

    or something like that.

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  28. Another argument for CONFIRMING list subscribe by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Quoth the article:

    People signing up for newsletters and mailing lists that they never subscribed to has been a major source of frustration for both users and the list owners.

    If Klez happens to send an e-mail "from" a user to an e-mail list's automatic subscribe address, the list software assumes the e-mail is a valid subscription request and begins sending mail to the user.

    This is another reason why all lists should confirm subscriptions. I'm seeing the Klem-virus beating on my own mailing list, and I'm very glad I spent the time to get the software to do confirmations of subscriptions.

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  29. Re:that is what by JordoCrouse · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unfortunately Microsoft can't take ALL the blame for the problems of Klez... The SMTP itself is inherently insecure to begin with and anyone can send mail that looks like it is from anyone else.

    But only Microsoft provides a hands off and automagic way for somebody to take advantage of the insecurities in SMTP with little trouble.

    Thats what is so bad about these little episodes. SMTP has existed since the early 70's, yet e-mail born viruses that take advantage of the SMTP header spoofing have only existed a few years.

    Hmm.....

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  30. Re:MOD THIS UP by S.Lemmon · · Score: 4, Informative
    Yeah right - it's just a cut and paste job from sophos' web site and they didn't even get the right virus!

    It's a description of badtrans not klez.

  31. Re:Pornographic attachments from priests? by weatherbee · · Score: 4, Funny
    Keep in mind the hundreds of priests now being wrongfully prosecuted due to a stererotype that is spreading like wildfire. Bear in mind how it is ruining their lives.

    OT I guess, but... a headline I saw recently:

    Priests Decry Witch Hunt

    All I could think was "What comes around..."

  32. Don't flame MS quite so hard for this one... by ArticulateArne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok, I know that many worms have been propagated through MS LookOut, etc, through the years, and I've been on the sysadmin end of shutting them down and cleaning them up. But, you can't blame MS quite so much for this one. For one thing, the vulnerability has been patched for an entire year, so anybody who is still vulnerable isn't really trying at all to stop it. For another thing, the security settings in Outlook XP (and I think 2K, IIRC) are much stricter by default. I've actually opened these klez emails, but Outlook won't display them. It says something about having HTML that it won't display, or something to that effect. It also won't do .exes, .mdbs, etc without a registry modification, which has annoyed me on occasion, but is doubtless much safer than the previous way of doing things.

    Let the flames begin.

    1. Re:Don't flame MS quite so hard for this one... by duffbeer703 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      omputer science and computer security experts have been saying for years that Micros~1 hasn't got the first fscking clue when it comes to writing solid, reliable, secure code. This despite the fact that there have been several examples of, if not ideal solutions, good first approaches to the problem. Indeed, to create WinNT, Microsoft snarfed the VMS team from DEC, a bunch of guys who understood those principles.

      And yet, despite the mountains of examples both within and without the company, despite the millions of computers blue-screening every damned day, Microsoft willfully persists in making the same stupid mistakes.

      As is well-known, Word macro viruses were a big problem in years past. This was because Microsoft made a series of impossibly moronic decisions:

      * To incorporate a macro facility into Word directly (rather than as an external engine driven by IPC protocols, where access controls can be applied in a uniform manner),
      * To embed the macros into the Word documents directly, rather than as separate macro files (thus making it impossible for the user to distinguish between a normal document and an "active" one),
      * To set the default condition to run the macros automatically upon document loading, without informing the user,
      * To, by default, not inform the user that any of this idiocy was going on.

      Okay, fine, so Microsoft got bitten by their would-be cleverness, but they cleaned up their act, right? They learned their lesson, right?

      No. Not only did they refuse to acknowledge that they had fscked up royally, they went and deliberately committed the same errors again and again:

      * Not only does IE uncritically implement JavaScript, it also throws in Visual Basic scripting and ActiveX, all of which are turned on by default. This condition is identical to that which propogated the Word macro virus fiasco. Even their "secure" execution environments hasn't prevented hostile Web sites from hijacking the browser.
      * Outlook likewise, without user intervention, will extract and launch embedded content while simultaneously hiding it from the user. The damn thing doesn't even check to make sure the MIME type and the filename extension are consistent.

      There's a term for this kind of behavior: Willful negligence. Oh, you can point out that there are security update downloads. But you can't ignore the fact that, if Microsoft had followed basic security principles, if they had learned from their own history -- hell, if they'd even extended common courtesy to their users -- this sort of thing wouldn't have happened in the first place.

      This isn't an honest mistake. This is a pattern with over twenty years of history behind it.

      Any responsibility born by Microsoft is equalled by the responsibility born by those users who don't apply security updates and don't run up-to-date firewall and virus checking software.

      I agree that uneducated users are a big problem. But, especially with the advent of broadband connectivity, what Microsoft has effectively done is to give a loaded Uzi with the safety off to eight-year-olds, and then fail to train them in its use or even tell them where the safety lock is.

      Microsoft touts its products as turnkey, ready-to-go, fire-and-forget, no setup, no configuration, no need to learn computer-ese, just sit down and become productive immediately. This is misleading in the extreme. Training is required; proper configuration is required (because Microsoft keeps setting the defaults wrong). As such, I feel Microsoft bears a significant burden of responsibility for the havoc their software has wreaked on the Internet.

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      Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
  33. Fool! use IMAP by benploni · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IMAP would allow to get all the email, minus the atachments. You can pick which attachments you want. People, read the IMAP spec. It offers so much that ppl dont take advantage of.

  34. obscure?? by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Just because you don't see it in the news does not mean that it is obscure. How many times do you see in the news, "Your electricity will have no problems today?" How many people did you tell, "my car started and ran fine without a problem?"


    Many ATMs and cash registers run OS/2, but you don't hear about it because there is no problem.

  35. My OSS plug... (Not off-topic though) by ryanvm · · Score: 3, Informative

    I got tired of dealing with my users' virus problems a long time ago. So I wrote batemail. It's a Perl script that you slip between your MTA (e.g. Sendmail) and your local mailer (e.g. Procmail) that filters out ALL executable attachments.

    I've been using it in my production environment for over a year now and it works like a charm. And it's open source, too!

    1. Re:My OSS plug... (Not off-topic though) by JoshuaDFranklin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Dude... just use Procmail's built-in capabilities.
      No need to put an interpreted script in between
      your MTA and MDA. Out of the goodness of my heart,
      here's some actual working stuff to put in your /etc/procmailrc that dumps all email with
      executable attachments in /var/virusdump/:
      #/etc/procmailrc
      VIRUSLOG=/var/ virusdump/viruslog

      :0 # Use procmail match feature
      * ^To:\/.*
      {
      HTO = "$MATCH"
      }

      :0 # Use procmail match feature
      * ^From:\/.*
      {
      HFR = "$MATCH"
      }

      NL="
      "

      :0
      *.for virususer;.*
      /var/virusdump/virususer

      :0
      *^Content-type:.*
      {
      :0 HB
      *name=".*\.(vbs|wsf|vbe|wsh|hta|scr|pif|exe|bat|js )"
      {
      :0c
      ! virususer

      :0 fhw
      | (/usr/bin/formail -r; \
      echo -e "This is an auto-generated message on behalf of${HTO}:\n\
      \n\
      The email referenced above, which was sent from your address, \n\
      had a virus-vulnerable attachement (such as .EXE, .VBS, .PIF, etc).\n\n\
      This mail server no longer accepts mail with virus-vulnerable \n\
      attachments and the email has been quarantined.\n\
      Please try resending your attachment in a safe format such as ZIP. \n\
      Contact support@iocc.com if you have any questions")\
      | mail -s "Possible virus deleted" "${HFR}"

      :0
      | echo "VIRUS From:${HFR} To:${HTO}" >> $VIRUSLOG

      :0
      /dev/null
      }
      }

  36. Umm... by virg_mattes · · Score: 4, Funny

    > I'm afraid that the original poster is correct, the only place you'll find an adult site's reputation being seen as good is at their colocation (bling bling) and a pedophile convention.

    Why would pedophiles care about an adult site?

    Virg

  37. Here's what I did. by jchawk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I got sick of all the spam, all the chain letters and all of the virus's. So I decided to run my own small mail server. I changed my email address and only gave it to people that would not open foolish attachment, and would not forward crap on to me.

    Running linux the virus's aren't a problem, but downloading and the wadding through hundreds of emails sucked.

    I then use procmail along with spam assassion. Now when I check my email there is usually one or two messages, and they are relivent.

    Even the mailing lists I'm subsribed to get put in a sepereate folder.

    I can't complain at all anymore.

    What about those less the brillent friends that are still affected? Well I leave icq and aim running so they can just leave me a message that way. :-)

    Hey if my mother can avoid getting infected with these stupid virus's so can you!

  38. Klez.H, Hardware killer by Artana+Niveus+Corvum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am the network administrator for the Absentee Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma, recently we were assaulted by no less than 5 variants of the klez worm. Klez.C,E,F,G, and H... WATCH OUT FOR Klez.H!!! It is stinking creepy smart! Not only does it play the normal irritating klez crack games with your email system, it also knows how to delete your antivirus software (I've observed it doing this to Norton, McAfee, and InoculateIT), but worst of all, given time it actually knows how to write into motherboard and video card bios space on reboot with win9x! (it does this even if the stupid "boot virus protection" is enabled in the bios and bios flashability is TURNED OFF! This is NOT a joke or a prank, this thing is freaking dangerous. I've already sent emails to Computer Associates, Norton, and McAfee... be careful people, be bloody careful

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    Remove the Greed which plagues mankind.
  39. Virus resistant address book by Technician · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I finaly printed my address book out on paper. I put the address on it as a barcode. Now I e-mail people and put in addresses in via the free scanner provided by Radio Shack. Now if everyone would delete their electronic address books, much of the MS spread security problems would go away.

    Not many people would drop the convience so I don't see this as working. Too many users just can't be bothered to keep up on security and are way too willing to run an attachment sent to them that is supposed to keep them from getting a virus. It's OK to send me a virus warning. Don't send me an attachment to fix it. I'll check the usual trusted sources for the description and measures to fix it. Too many viruses are spread via social engineering.

    --
    The truth shall set you free!
  40. Re:Virii? What Virii? by Tony-A · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, the plural of virus is Microsoft.

  41. The cost of viruses, worms, and spam by gujo-odori · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a sysadmin at an ISP, and we have been filtering Klez inbound and outbound for 13 days, and the load basically hasn't tapered off at all. Since we started the Klez filter (thank you, Exim!) the number of bounces in our postmaster box doubled and show no real signs of slowing up.

    That is a lot of bounces because we also filter on SirCam (still see some of those everyday), use several RBLs, and have extensive local spam filters and reject lists, as well as optional spam filters for Korean-encoded and Chinese-encoded mail (just rolled them out and over 800 customers have started using them already).

    The cost of this is a lot of wasted bandwidth consumed by spam, worms, and viruses, in hardware (we run 4 MXes where two would otherwise suffice, because of the filtering load), and the countless hours we spend each week on defending our mail system and our customers from all this crap.

    Besides the usual suspects (MS for their security holes, users for their laxness on applying updates, and the virus writers themselves), I also have to blame a lot of adminstrators for this. Mail admins, listen up! You KNOW Klez is out there and you KNOW it's going through your systems. You probably have a ton of captive specimens of it. Start filtering it inbound and outbound. You're not only helping other admins to control this problem, you're helping yourself.

    And let's all be thankful that virus writers and spamware writers come from two camps that aren't likely to like each other, because if they got together and wrote a worm that silently propagated itself and turned Windows boxes into selectively open relays for use by the spammer/authors, that would be a real problem. The scary part is that it wouldn't be all that hard. The worms already have their own SMTP engines these days. The leap is small. Let's hope they don't make it, but let's think about how we're going to control it when they do.

    Line of defense number 1: ISPs - if you don't already block port 25 in/out from your dial pools (requiring your dial users to smarthost through your outbound SMTP or send through it directly), start NOW. The ass you save will be your own. If we all do this (my employer has done this for years) we will cut off spam.

  42. Remember the WTC? by Macrobat · · Score: 3, Insightful
    As a matter of fact, it's kind of hard for me to think of any recent major wars which were caused by religion.
    Ummm...remember that gaping hole where the World Trade Center used to be? It was caused by men who thought they were on a mission from God. We're at war because of them.

    And you don't remember any religious persecution going on during World War II? None? I dare say, without his anti-Semitic rhetoric, Hitler might never have come to power. And the Japanese believed in the divinity of their emperor, too--the word "kamikaze" means "divine wind."

    At least part of the Arab-Israeli conflict is religious in nature. You just don't see a lot of atheist suicide bombers. A lot of "ethnic cleansing" is done along religious lines as well.

    The expansion of European nations into the Americas was often justified under the aegis of "divine right."

    That's not to mention the religious rhetoric that's used to get men to go to war. Ever hear the song "Onward Christian Soldiers?"

    So the original poster might be a little bold about his statistics...but don't fool yourself into thinking religions have their hands clean, even today.

    --
    "Hardly used" will not fetch you a better price for your brain.
  43. Yahoo! by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm so glad that I dumped my old Yahoo email address a week or so ago. That old address was in so many places. If it wasn't spam it was a virus. And when I started using the vacation system a few weeks before I turned the account off what wasn't spam or a virus was an "message undeliverable" message.

    I wonder how many responses to Klez emails bounce back with an "address unknown" error?