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Linux Beta Kernel 2.5.16 Out
dipfan writes "The latest beta version of the Linux kernel 2.5.16 is out, with some comments by Linus here, who was kept 'personally somewhat busy' by 'the interesting Intel SMP-P4 TLB corruption bug, which ends up being due to some very funky asynchronous speculative TLB fill logic'. Woo hoo. Mirrors, etc." We haven't been keeping up with the 2.5.x series, but a slow Sunday is a good excuse to catch up.
Does Linux support blast processing yet??
I prefer Linux myself, but a major and highly respected new *NIX distro release beats a beta kernel release and day of my 8-day week.
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Anyone wanna start betting when the dev kernel will surpass the stable kernel?
3 versions to go....
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Anyone wanna start betting when the dev kernel will surpass the stable kernel? 3 versions to go....
It's really not that fantastic. 2.5 will probably go pretty high. The 2.3 kernel went to 2.3.51 before it jumped to 2.3.99 (look here).
It will be interesting how much work goes into 2.5 before 2.6.0 is released. Then we'll be able to start comparing what's new to 2.4.x. It is interesting that we're at 2.4.19 when the 2.2. kernel is at 2.2.20, IMHO.
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Ok, I may be clueless here, but given this comment from Linus:
The TLB invalidate rewrite will likely have broken all other architectures (at least performance-wise, if not in any other way), so architecture maintainers look out!
Since it sounds like this was a P4 specific issue, and a P4 specific fix, shouldn't it have been #ifdef'ed for the architecture?
-Robert
MOD THIS DOWN!!! MOD THIS DOWN!!!
He's not singing the praises of linux. He's not ooh and ahhing at the latest buggy release. Mod this guy down; he's obviously a subversive bsd user who lives in the real world.
I don't read the kernel mailing list. Could someone who does tell us what we have to look forward to in the 2.4 line?
As usual with the stable series, bugfixes. No new features, just bugfixes.
Anyone know why the development kernel and the stable kernel didnt adopt the VM patches which andrea did to his own VM ?
They remarkably enhance the system performance, what is holding it up ?
Plus a few backports of relatively stable stuff, like NTFS-NG (or whatever it's called...)
(NB: stable in this case does not imply that you can write to NTFS partitions without corrupting them...)
kept 'personally somewhat busy' by 'the interesting Intel SMP-P4 TLB corruption bug, which ends up being due to some very funky asynchronous speculative TLB fill logic'.
That is what they all say.
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Well, for one thing, there are a lot of IDE updates and fixes going in for 2.4.19, which is why there are so many 19-pre* releases...
And as another poster has said, a backport of the *working* NTFS-NG driver!
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Actually, you are flamebaiting a bit. One main difference between linux and windows is that the development and testing for linux is done in the open. So you can install a development or a testing kernel if you would like. Linux just gives you more options. If a kernel is working fine for what you are doing, then don't upgrade unless there is a security issue.
Please tell me how it is any worse than using Windows?
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The 2.5 kernel is a major rework. IIRC, they're making everything possible modules, and you'll need to make an initial ramdisk with your ide/scsi/network/fs drivers in order to boot. Any idea how stable 2.5 is now? It sounds pretty cool. I've dabbled in kernel programming and am willing to put up with 1 week uptimes as long as I'm running ext3 or XFS. I tried L4-linux, but 8-hour uptimes just hurt. Yes, I'm also playing with Debian HURD. There's lots of really cool stuff going on nowadays in the OS world.
Any idea if there are any plans to merge the international patch (crypto stuff) into 2.4 or 2.5? Encrypted loop devices and encrypted swap really should be part of the main kernel. After all, the 2.4 kernel is currently being maintained by a minor in South America, so the 2.4 kernel is pretty safe from the US govt/US courts at the moment. Hmm... DeCSS in kernel-space anyone?
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Sweet.
On a slightly different note, is there a place that has (perhaps weekly) status updates on the Sparc64 kernel and related goodies?
The UltraLinux site hasn't been updated for a while. I'm thinking of putting Linux on my Ultra 30 for testing, and I'd like to run one of the newer kernels (2.5.x).
I'm looking at Gentoo as well, and I'm hoping that their Sparc64 ISO will be released soon.
Does anyone have more details on what asynchronous logic is in the P4 and why it was funky?
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Of course, people who like to take risks or who want to help test, are welcome to use the -pre patches. Right now it is up to -pre8. If you want to live on the very cutting edge, then you can download patches from this page. The patches here are updated every hour for the Marcelo's bk tree.
I believe that besides the IDE changes, there are several VM tweaks.
If I recall correctly, in the changelog USB 2.0 support is now in 2.4.19. Not an incredible addition, but there nonetheless. So as far as I can see, nothing to jump on to when it arrives unless you have USB 2.0 and are willing to find / code associated drivers for your usb hardware...
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At best, I would call the development series "alpha". Beta implies that the kernel is ready for general testing prior to release, and there are few known showstopper bugs.
When 2.5 goes -rc, or Linus starts making prereleaserr noises, then go ahead and call it "beta". Until then, it's the type of thing you inflict on a computer you don't mind messing around with.
Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
Very few people upgrade their kernel with each new release. Most security problems are patchable. Custom kernels in embedded applications generally cannot be upgraded. Most often these OS's are burned on a ROM. By nature even if not read-only embedded systems are tough to hack, (they generally lack the common tools that can be exploited) so security much easier than a workstation. Windows has critical security flaws discovered almost daily. The patches and service packs have caused problems in the past.
What you don't like makes Linux. These interim kernels are what maintain Linux's amazing stability, even when massive new feature sets are added in the major kernel releases.
I'd like to know "When will Windoze be done?"
This kernel looks very stable so far. The only trouble I got is with the keyboard. Sometimes, it blo
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Does Linux support blast processing yet??
"Blast Processing" is the name of the sprite engine that Sega used in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 for Sega Genesis. Here are some Genesis emulators for UNIX and Linux systems. DGen is pretty good.
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Well I wish they would fix the annoying VIA bugs, or at least look into it.
Since 2.4.9 I have been unable to use certain via chipsets without "lost interrupt" filling up my dmesg, either on bootup or when ripping audio tracks.
The bugs are in 2.5 too...
Does Linux support Windows yet?
Using the WINE binary compatibility layer, an x86-based GNU/Linux system running an X11 server can run many applications designed for Microsoft Windows.
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Some people have already started: http://kernelnewbies.org/status/latest.html. Some of these will probably get backported into 2.4.
Some of the big changes/additions are: block IO, JFS (IBM file system), alsa, support for 64bit amd, preemption, a new NTFS driver and ide clean ups.
Jesus - can't people around here take a joke. Note the title of my post: Mode = Astroturfing.
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2.4 is at 2.4.19 because of the VM screwup mostly. Otherwise the smaller changes probably would have been put into larger batches.
I have a for host in *.mycompany.com script that will automagically update all our production machines at once. Who needs up2date, Red Carpet, and all that crap? Ha-ha.
It's DEVELOPMENT kernel you Micro$oft flunky...
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I'll give you one thing -- my laptop has the nvidia chipset. I need 2.4.18-4 or higher -- RedHat 7.3 ships with 2.4.18-3 -- to get something better than the generic video drivers working.
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Personally though, I can't wait until 2.6... I know someone who's working on some of the new graphics stuff in his spare time (the new graphics layer is code named "Ruby"), and there will be some sweet stuff. The DRI, framebuffer, Video4Linux, etc. systems will all be made into one unified kernel interface, which will be user friendly and capable enough to (almost) program graphics applications in bash! Imagine (device names are changed to protect the innocent
Not to mention we'll finally be able to ditch X on the desktop for the framebuffer without losing OpenGL support, and let X do what it was meant to do: thin clients and network terminals.
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We haven't been keeping up with the 2.5.x series, but a slow Sunday is a good excuse to catch up.
And we've been happy! Please, this isn't a spider to check for every time a changelog is updated...
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However, this does not alter the main point made here (though made in ignorance). The user can generally not upgrade an embedded kernel willy-nilly.
See here
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I don't read the kernel mailing list. Could someone who does tell us what we have to look forward to in the 2.4 line?
hmm, neither do I, but I occasionally drop by at Kernel Traffic.
From there, I got to this patch which seems to bring some of the future features to the power-using, look-what-my-kernel-does, plus-three-frames-in-quake3 crowd.
Enjoy, I had no problems with that, although I don't leave my PC on overnight, so I can't come up with any uptime numbers.
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Also check out the Open Source Development Lab's Scalable Test Platform. You can use STP to run your kernel patches and test code that you upload to OSDL's big iron hardware, or you can download the STP source code so you can use it as a test harness on your own machine.
(I should add the STP to my article but haven't gotten around to doing so yet).
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When we're going to see XFS in the mainstream kernel?
Actually, there were two jokes, of which you only got the first one.
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dearth?
I noticed that with all the page widening trolls happening, every one was whinging about /. not fixing their code, but no one expected Microsoft to fix theirs.
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who was kept 'personally somewhat busy' by 'the interesting Intel SMP-P4 TLB corruption bug'
known to the rest of us as 'Episode II: Attack of the Clones'
thanks...
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my spelling is abizmal...
Does anyone else agree with me that the 2.4 maintainer needs to pick up the pace on releases?
http://www.kernelnewbies.org/status/latest.html
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Yes, but any common sense or logical thought gets modded down immediately, so you screwed from the start buddy. Don't take it so hard. It happens to the best of us.
If there was a "-1 Not Funny", that'd be my most used mod.
There hasn't been a *prepatch* of the 2.4 series since the 2nd of the month! What's going on here?!
If you can install generic and wait for an up2date, RH is patching 7.3 with a 2.4.18-4 Kernel. Note that you must force Kernel updates.
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I'm close to having it done. I'm guessing a bit on my grub.conf at this point. I was able to compile the image, but cannot find/make the initrd-2.4.18-xxxx.img so far.
There is no rpm for the RH 7.3 yet anyhow, so I got to do that from the src rpm they provide.
That which does not kill us...
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