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Episode II Surpasses $116 Million at Box Office

Domasi writes "The Force is with George Lucas again as the fifth installment of the Star Wars saga, 'Attack of the Clones,' took in $116.3 million in its first four days and to become the second-fastest film behind only "Spider-Man"." Spider-man is better. But I plan to see both of them again.

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  1. No one saw this. by petree · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I bet there was no one amongst this crowd who ever thought Spider-Man would out perform -ANY- episode of Star Wars at the box office. Ever.

    I certainly didn't see it coming.

    1. Re:No one saw this. by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 3, Informative

      look again...it is a 4 day total. for 3 days, it raked in 86 million.

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    2. Re:No one saw this. by rnb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But Spider-Man was on 1,500 more screens than Episode II because Lucas wanted to only show Episode II in theaters equipped with digital sound.

      Anyone have the per-screen averages?

    3. Re:No one saw this. by NerdSlayer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I did.

    4. Re:No one saw this. by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Informative

      Despite that, StarWars-II was doing much brisker business on it's 4th day of release than SpiderMan was doing on it's 2nd. I would expect that StarWars-II was much closer to the theoretical maximum per screen than SpiderMan was.

      However, it will be interesting to see what the "2nd week falloff" is like...

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  2. Screens by lemonk · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is worthwhile to mention that Spider-Man is being shown on over 1000 screens more than AOTC, etc.

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    1. Re:Screens by StudMuffin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A large part of this was due to Lucas' condition that if a theater shows AOTC, that it show for a minimum of four weeks. Smaller theaters with only a few screens can't support this kind of commitment during the summer movie season. So, since Spider-Man had no such condition, it opened (and stayed) on more screens.

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    2. Re:Screens by big.ears · · Score: 5, Informative

      All this box-office gamesmanship is kinda silly. If you want to assess the human value or impact of a film (or a movie), I can assure you that the just about the worst way to do it is to count how much money it reportedly took in in ticket sales. Ever wonder why nobody records the number of ticket sales (which are already adjusted for inflation), but rather calculates raw sales $$? It is mainly to build hype for a film, because even a moderate success this year is bound to beat the blockbuster from two years ago. "Box Office Records" are laughable, because they are guaranteed to fall.

      By making these arguments about total gross/per theater gross/screens/etc., we are just playing into the Hollywood money machine's hand. But, myself a victim to this game, I believe the 3615/3161 number indicates venues or physical locations where the film is played, whereas the number of actual "Prints" is something like 7500 vs. 6000, which is what the parent was apparently quoting. I don't know if anyone has actually recorded the number of screenings anywhere. Given that AOTC was a little longer than Spidey, this translates into fewer screenings per venue, as well as fewer per print: The difference between 2 hours and 2 hours 20 minutes is enough to reduce the number of screenings at some little theaters from 2 to 1 or from 3 to 2 per day; at multiplexes, it may reduce the number of showings from 15 to 12.

    3. Re:Screens by cuyler · · Score: 3, Informative

      Check out the-numbers.com. They have plenty of stats on movies. Most notably is the gross per theatre a record that is held by Spider-Man.

      Even though Spider-Man opened with more screens than AOTC it is still making more per screen than AOTC.

    4. Re:Screens by tsiar · · Score: 5, Informative

      What's really annoying, is that those numbers you quoted are THEATERS, not SCREENS.

      Clones opened up playing on approximately 6,100 screens at 3,161 theaters across North America

      Spider-man Swinging into 3,615 theaters ... with an estimated 7,500 prints


      The math still works out that spiderman made more per screen, but of course the Thursday opening isn't taken into account.

  3. Just for Yoda by underpaid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd see it again just to see yoda fight. I just wish there was a clear ending to the fight so everyone could have cheered for him.

  4. Spider-man is better? by schwatoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah I thought so too. I just loved that scene with the New Yorkers on the bridge throwing down junk at the Green Goblin to distract him from beating up Spidey. "You mess with him and you mess with us!".

    As plot devices go that's up there with destroying an Alien battle fleet with a PowerMac and Word Macro Virus

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  5. $183M International by rosewood · · Score: 3, Informative
    Reuters says:
    Ticket sales for the new "Star Wars" movie were out of this world, racking up $183 million at box offices worldwide in the first four days of release. According to studio estimates issued on Sunday, "Star Wars: Episode II -- Attack of the Clones," grossed an estimated $116.3 million across the United States and Canada.
  6. Only about 86 million when compared to Spider-Man by thaigan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Spider-Man did it in three days without a mid-night opening.

    Here's a snippet from hollywood.com: 20th Century Fox and Lucasfilm's PG rated franchise installment Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones exploded in first place with an ESTIMATED $86.15 million at 3,161 theaters ($27,254 per theater).

    After opening to $30,141,417 for Wednesday midnight screenings and Thursday, its four day cume is approximately $116.29 million. By comparison, Spider-Man's record setting opening was $114.8 million for a normal three day weekend (May 3-5).

    Star Wars' average per theater was the highest for any film playing this weekend.

    Directed by George Lucas, it stars Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen.

    "That's the third best three day regular weekend opening ever after Spider-Man's $114 million and $90 million for Harry Potter," Fox distribution president Bruce Snyder said Sunday morning.

    "It's the second fastest to $100 million. Of course, Spider-Man did it in three days and this is four. The previous record was Star Wars: Episode I in five days. It opened on a Wednesday (May 19, 1999). Its five day number was $105.659 million. So we've kind of blown past that in four days with $116.291 million on this one. It's just terrific and we're delighted."

    Looking back at Episode I -- The Phantom Menace, Snyder noted, "Its Wednesday, the opening day, was $28.5 million. That was the high water mark for the run. The next best day was $24.4 million on Saturday (of weekend one). In this case, we opened to $30.1 million, went to $25.2 million on Friday and Saturday looks like $32.25 million, so it's actually above the opening day and the opening day, remember, had the Midnight shows (from Wednesday) folded in. So this is really a spectacular performance."

    Phantom Menace wound up grossing $431.1 million in domestic theaters. Its worldwide total (domestic plus international) was $923 million. Asked about reports that Clones' Wednesday midnight shows had ticket sales of approximately $6 million, Snyder replied, "Something in that area. It depends on how they got folded into (the total for Thursday), but I think that's a fair estimate."

    Here's the breakdown of box office report

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  7. Re:Why $$$? by necrognome · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A film is a time sequence of images (not necessarily chronological) often intermixed with audio. "Impart[ing] human feelings via relationships and understanding" is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition of filmmaking. It's also a muddled notion of aesthetics. Some aestheticians have remarked that, "Art expresses human emotions," but this is a theory of beauty and certainly debatable. Furthermore, some films--concept films mostly--lack both characters and plot, and this is by design.

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  8. Why Spidey Beat the Jedis by Dwiggy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because Spiderman is pure and simple popular story-telling, while AOTC was full of histrionics and exposition, much of which would probably be useless and/or confusing if you hadn't seen all of the other films.

    I know this is going to sound strange, but as far as ease of digestion goes, it's almost as if AOTC is the art house gourmet movie and Spiderman is the summer popcorn movie.

    1. Re:Why Spidey Beat the Jedis by galaga79 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You have hit the nail on the head, in some ways AOTC and Spiderman are two different beasts. Whilst I have yet to see Spiderman I imagine its a far more self-contained film in that you don't need to read the comics to understand the plot.

      AOTC on the otherhand exists to both compliment and set the backdrop for the classic Star Wars trilogy. Personally I enjoyed AOTC not in it's own right, but the back story it provided in terms of the origins of Storm Trooper, Boba Fett, the Empire etc. It was brilliant how it all came together in the last 30 minutes.

  9. Re:Why $$$? by ryszards · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a lot to be said for using films as an escape and not taking much at all from them, purely using them as an escapist medium to escape reality.

    Star Wars is arguably to most succesful human escapist work ever created, empowering generations to live in a world they could hardly imagine.

    That its success is rated in dollars is purely a side effect of todays money biased society.

    Who cares about the money and who cares if the film doesn't impart human feelings. If you enjoy it, that's all that matters. A movie isn't _supposed_ to _do_ anything, it's the viewer that interprets things, not the film forcing anything on you.

    Rys

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  10. These statistics seem meaningless... by linuxrunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all, when I'm told a movie grossed the most $$$ ever, I cringe.
    These stats are great for me knowing that yes, Spiderman sold more tickets than Star Wars at the box office this year... But don't tell me it's the best selling movie ever. It's probably not!

    I mean, look at how much it costs to buy a ticket today.. What, $8.50 round about?

    So what you're telling me that year after year, with inflation, there will always be a bigger and better blockbuster according to gross sales?
    Why has no one EVER ajusted for inflation? For all I know the best and most watched movie way Ben Hur... hehe....

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    1. Re:These statistics seem meaningless... by ciurana · · Score: 3, Informative

      Adjusted for inflation, the best selling movie ever was Gone With The Wind, with Star Wars being a close second. I think Ben-Hur is among the top ten.

      Cheers!

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    2. Re:These statistics seem meaningless... by oopy_-_ · · Score: 5, Informative
      Someone in fact has done this math:

      Top 100 Ever Adjusted

      The list makes a lot more sense with this math, though Titanic still gets ranked too highly. Unfortunately, this is only adjusted with the Consumer Price Index. I think someone should adjust for population growth as well.

  11. Re:Episode I by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 3, Insightful

    no, becasue Episode I was not that bad.

    arg...it was the begining of the entire saga, not a stand alone movie.....saying episode I was a bad movie is about a brilient as the folks who complained about the ending of Felloship of the rings.

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  12. Something to think about by ciurana · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was watching CNN Headline News on Saturday morning when they interviewed the film critic for Entertainment Tonight. My attitude toward the $115 million box office mark is the same as his answer to the AOTC vs. Spider-Man question: Why should I care? I'm not getting a piece of the action.

    The important thing is that, for the $9 I paid for my ticket, I got a comfortable seat and an a magical experience watching the film. I thought both movies were very entertaining and already watched Spider-Man twice. I'm going to watch AOTC again because I want to see the digital version (go Yoda!). Now, I couldn't care less about which movie made the more $$$ because I'm not among the people whose net worth was increased by the box office take.

    Discussing this box office take rivalry is like arguing who is the coolest millionaire, Ellison or Gates? I don't really care. All I care is how their products perform and how they affect my business.

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  13. Re:So who would win in a fight? by Drachemorder · · Score: 5, Funny
    Or, since Anakin is E-vile, Spider-Man should win, since Good always truimphs over Evil (just ask the folks who used to work for Enron.)

    No, Anakin wins BECAUSE he's evil. Don't you know that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb?

  14. Re:Something to think about (OT) by Ezubaric · · Score: 3, Funny

    > Discussing this box office take rivalry is like
    > arguing who is the coolest millionaire, Ellison or
    > Gates? I don't really care. All I care is how their
    > products perform and how they affect my business.

    Frankly, neither of them is very cool (pure evil and whatnot). My vote has to go for Mr. Buffet. You've got to respect a man who:

    1. never got caught up in the tech buying spree
    2. was eating a Dilly Bar one day and said, "Damn, this is good. I'm going to buy Dairy Queen."
    3. only uses his computer for playing games (bridge) and slapping Bill Gates around (at bridge)

    If Warren had a console out, it would cost $1,000, have the best games possible, and come with ice cream. He wouldn't lower the price (like his stock price) because it would actually be worth a grand.

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  15. I'm just reminded what Green Goblin tells Spidey.. by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With regards to the SW vs. Spider-Man, I'm reminded about what the Green Goblin tells Spidey in the movie. He basically tells him that it is no use being the good guy because everyone will try and tear you down anyway. People like building someone up and then tearing them down.

    The new SW movies are evidence of that. Far too many of the "fans" are just out there to tear down SW with any nitpick they can come up with and build up a new "hero". Sure there are many problems with the new SW films. But there are many problems with the old ones as well (whiney Luke, bad dialog, etc).

    I think people are too quick to tear down SW. It is a movie, not a religion. And it is a film for everyone, not just geeks. I think the general public likes the new SW films more than the hardcore geeks like to admit. I showed the Phantom Menace to my mother-in-law on Friday and she loved it. So much that our whole family saw AOTC on Sunday. The exit polls show people rating AOTC as a A-. I bet the minus comes from SW "fans".

    In fact, the hardcore SW fans are hurting SW more than anything. By dressing up and standing in line and such they are threatening to reduce SW to simple geekdom (see Star Trek). Normal people generally avoid geekdom, and I bet alot of people are turned off on SW just because of the so-called-fans.

    My final rant is that if Lucas was in it SOLELY for the money he would have made 10 SW films by now and 7 of them would be cheap crappy films (see Star Trek). Also he would have shown them on as many screens as possible instead of limiting them to the ones with digital sound.
    Sure he likes a profit as much as anyone, but he is also SW's biggest and best fan.

    Meanwhile, I'm waiting to see how much the Slashdot crowd turns on Spider-Man 2 and the Matrix Reloaded.

    Brian Ellenberger

  16. Re:4th & 5th episodes dull as can be by gamgee5273 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Umm...you mean the first and second episodes, lad. Fourth was ANH, fifth was ESB.

    Spoilers ahead, folks:

    Now, I don't know about you, but I identify with Anakin: his mother dies in his arms and he massacres men, women and children in the Tusken Raider settlement for revenge. The boy is conflicted and in massive pain. Add that to Obi-wan dismissing Anakin's dreams of his mother ("Dreams pass in time") and you have a very upset, very powerful individual. I suspect, once all is said and done, we will actually understand why Anakin would turn...we might even be sympathetic.

  17. I don't think that's the whole story... by koganuts · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to CNN, "[In Quebec, Canada,] Fox is believed to be demanding 70 percent of box office receipts for the first three weeks and insisting that 'Attack of the Clones' stay in the biggest hall for 12 weeks. The studio-theater revenue split is more commonly 70-30 in favor of the studio for only the first week, dropping to 60-40 the second week, 50-50 the third week and 40-60 by the fourth week." That's why most of Quebec's independent theater owners refused to book AotC in their theaters. If Fox's demands were similar here in the States, it may also explain why fewer theaters are showing it vs. Spider-Man... regardless of how Fox tries to spin (no pun intended) the numbers in their favor.

  18. Re:I'm just reminded what Green Goblin tells Spide by neurojab · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >(whiney Luke, bad dialog, etc).

    Bad dialogue? I think the dialogue from the "holy trilogy" is filled with gems. "Never tell me the odds", "I love you, I know", "sorry about the mess", and so forth.

    But yes, that kid sure is a whiner.

  19. Re:I completly Agree by crucini · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Those who view it as inferior to the first trilogy are looking at Those three throught the rose-colored glasses of nostalgia.

    I seriously considered that possibility. Then I downloaded the script of Star Wars (aka "the first movie") and read it through. My reading confirmed my impression that it is far superior to AOTC. A few differences:
    • Qi-Gong jumping out the window to grab a flying vehicle immediately set
      the tone of a very unrealistic movie in which the heroes would perform superhuman feats. And sure enough, the characters go through a lot of stuff that would surely have killed or maimed them, like jumping out of an aircraft in flight. In Star Wars, I think the closest thing is Luke and Leia swinging across the shaft. That was risky but believable.
    • Anakin is just too moody, unstable and immature to be trusted with any independent assignment, let alone guarding a crucial politician. I wouldn't let this guy wash my car - it would probably end up in Tijuana. This lessens both the credibility of the movie and the ability to connect with the character. Luke had the same traits to a lesser degree, but he was not deliberately entrusted with much responsibility.
    • Darth Vader was one of the best villains in any movie. The subsequent Star Wars movies have failed to come up with anyone nearly as impressive.
    • Star Wars is the story of a young guy from a boring hick town, a strange old desert rat with a zen-like calm, and a cocky smuggler who inadvertently take on the Death Star. AOTC is about a group of powerful, privileged and respected people who ward off a possible challenge to their privileged position.

    I could write a lot more, but I think the movies are deeply different. Certainly there are some aspects that remain the same, and to that extent your remark about rose-colored glasses could be true. But on the whole, AOTC is a very inferior movie.