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KDE 3.0.1 Ships
Andreas "Dre" Pour writes "Short on the heels of the remarkably successful launch of the KDE 3 series with
a very stable and complete KDE 3.0 last month,
the KDE Project has announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.0.1.
While primarily a translation release, it also squashes some bugs, including
some minor security issues with the HTML engine. Read the (relatively short)
announcement and the fairly complete
ChangeLog for more info.
Binary packages are already available from the stalwart KDE packagers at
Compaq Tru64, Conectiva Linux, Mandrake Linux and SuSE Linux.
As always, we hope you enjoy the latest and greatest KDE!"
and to reply to my own post, here it is from the announcement
KDE will not compile properly with gcc versions earlier than gcc-2.95, such as egcs-1.1.2 or gcc-2.7.2, or with unpatched versions of gcc 3.0.x. However, KDE should compile properly with gcc 3.1
Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt --Abraham Lincoln
KDE 3 (as well as XFree 4.2) is not going into Debian at least until Woody is released. In addition, Debian will be switching to using GCC 3.1 as the main compiler after Woody, so you'll probably have to wait for that to happen as well.
:) )
Until then, use the unofficial debs in the post immediately above. Note that there are several packages (such as kdegames and kdeartwork) which are not included, as calc is not their maintainer (I wish he were - I miss the 'Glow' window theme and 'Shisen-Sho'
-- Help Digitise the Public Domain at DP.
And the OpenBSD project is now part of the game, e.g.,
the update of various ports to kde 3.0.1 will be committed
today, thanks to advance access to the tarballs from the
kde guys. Thanks a lot !
--
Marc Espie
We found KDE and have never been happier since. And the stability rivals that of Tru64, AIX, VMS or any of the other "big iron" OS's.
[1]Well, the admins are a little pricey. But they earn every penny of it.
Wait untill 3.1 before getting all those sexy new features u know u want ;p, kde 3.1 has tabbed browsing support in konqueror, and a few other nifty enhancments, but for those wanting a stable kde release, this is getting pretty stable.
Nerv
Microsoft IIS is to webserving as KFC is to healthy eating
Good gawd no!
The KDE KHTML part is small, efficient and awesome. The Mozilla engine is big and cumbersome.
There are people on the KDE team that know the KHTML part inside out, to use Mozilla, they'd have to learn the internals of that if they wanted to make changes.
I say stay with KHTML. One of the goals of OSS is to allow choice. If you want to use Mozilla in KDE, use it. Or you can use the included one built on KHTML.
University - a box of academia nuts.
Actually the reason for Konqueror and KHTML is the really tight integration of the system components and IO substructure of KDE.
KDE has a brilliantly easy to use component technology called KParts, which is good for Desktop use and a equally great (and extremely useful) IO system called KIO, which is used in combination with KHTML and KJS (the JavaScript engine) to make Konqueror a browser.
Now it could be basically possible to use Gecko (the HTML/XML/XUL renderer of Mozilla) like they do in Galeon, but honestly when they began writing Konqueror Mozilla just wasn't something useful and there was and is no release quality Gecko port to Qt, which is absolutely required for an integrated browser.
Now for normal browsing both browsers are greatly useful and I do use both (Mozilla RC2 and Konqueror for KDE 3.0). But honestly to me Konqueror is just more friendly for general work, while I use my Mozilla for netbanking (mostly due to the really insistent browser ID checking of the banking webapp).
It's all good, all the time
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Andreas "Dre" Pour writes ...
Its nice to see this kind of thing on Slashdot. Now days everybody talks like they've got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherf**kers act like they forgot about Dre...
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The install: (important parts marked with *) /etc/hosts (if it's not already there)
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1) set up Gentoo 1.1a w/stage3 per install docs
2) installed kernel-2.4.19-r4, preempt, lowlatency
3) *important: merged binutils-2.12+ in order to take advantage of combreloc (but built kernel with 2.11 beforehand just to be safe)
4) *USE flags="-march=i686 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" Many people use a lot of crazy optimizations, but the only one to me that makes a noticable difference in "feel" is -fomit-frame-pointer, and I don't need to debug my system so its all good.
4) *rebuilt glibc with new binutils installed
5) finish install per docs. (I use metalog, and lilo instead of grub)
6) reboot
7) use hdparm to make sure DMA is enabled
8) you now have a Gentoo system ready to build apps with the combreloc tweak (you can test this by running apps with 'LD_DEBUG=statistics' and checking the relocations)
9) build X, kdebase, kdenetwork, mozilla, vim, etc... (doesn't matter)
10) *add fam to start on boot (allows KDE to track files quicker)
11) *add your hostname to
After doing all of this, I can notice a HUGE difference in speed. KDE is very very fast..apps pop up instantly, and it is no less stable then before. Konqueror is definately faster than IE6 on Win2k..just amazing! Overall, I would give KDE3 a 95% stability rating.
Anyways, I'm just sharing my experience. You may or may not have the same results, email me if you have questions. Remember that reiserfs has been known to cause corruption for some, and the binutils-2.12 is considered experimental, but for me it's been all good so far.
------------------If only I could come up with a good sig
It uses a ports based system that automatically resolves all dependencies between packages.
I once used a linuxfromscratch, but it took to much time to keep up to date/install.
With gentoo, you barely have to intervene with the install proces: I could do "emerge kde" on a system with nothing installed, and a few hours (ok , almost a day :) later, all the needed libraries, X, ... would be installed
If only I could come up with a good sig
I've recently installed a fresh copy of Mandrake 8.2 with KDE 3 on a Celeron 500 notebook (512mb RAM) and I'm quite happy with it.
It actually boots in the same time as my P4 XP machine and I don't notice any slowness of the UI.
Compared to KDE 2, it is much improved.
Actually you can use Gecko in Konqueror.
I believe kmozilla is part of kdebindings.
Install it, and set your preference for html to kmozilla, instead of khtml.
Well, don't worry about that. We can get you back before you leave. (Dr. Who)
[... Huge KDE Myths rant ...]
Hey, looks like you feel really strongly about this. Can I give you a little advice?
Try to go out more. Talk to people. Try to talk about something other than computers. Listen to what other people have to say.
Play some sport. Take up a hobby that's not related to computers. Try taking an interest in girls.
Relax. Have fun. Don't worry.
Forget about KDE and Gnome. They're not as important as you think.
At this point it is the freeze which has held up adding new packages it seems. In the mean time some of the Debian packagers have made their .debs available by other means. Here are the lines for /etc/apt/sources.list:
Chris Cheney: kdelibs, kdebase, kdenetwork, kdemultimedia, kdegraphics, kdeutils, kdepim ./
./
deb http://www.ping.uio.no/~mortehu/kde-i386
Ben Burton: kdesdk,kdeaddons,kdetoys,kdeedu,koffice(not there yet)
deb http://people.debian.org/~bab/kde3
I assume the other packages are being worked on by their respective maintainers.
There's something wrong with your setup. I'm still using 2.2.2, and I rarely run in to any problems.
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Whatever happened to the good old way of announcing open-source software??
I doubt, therefore I may be.
True. I want KDE for my Debian desktops as well. At least when it finally does arrive it will have several months worth of bugfixes and polish. It's a pity that their release freeze came with all of this good stuff just down the road....Gnome 2, Mozilla 1.0, KDE 3.0.x......
Since Sid (unstable) is the gateway to Testing (Woody about to supplant Potato) it can't even be had from there. The real pisser is that once Woody releases and this all good stuff shows up in Sid it will be wise to wait for it to come to testing(next codename?). The very first truly new bits of software to go in are apt (heh heh!) to be flaky. Oh well, in this context its a GOOD thing that official Debian releases are infrequent.
You most likely won't want to install a SuSE RPM on a RedHat machine as SuSE's filesystem layout is significantly different from RedHat.
Some people take their .sig way too seriously
For those of you who are not aware of this site, www.kde-look.org is a great site for all kinds of themes, icons and backgrounds. Check out some of the work there, especially mosfet's liquid theme and the crystal ikons.
S.t.e.v.e.
I have KDE 3.0.5 running on Debian woody. Just check out qt-copy and kde from anon cvs (http://www.kde.org/anoncvs.html), follow the instructions in README.qt-copy, then compile and install cvs as per instructions on kde's page, with --prefix=/usr/local/kde. It plays nicely with KDE 2 from apt.
The masses are the crack whores of religion.
Debian is in a freeze right now, trying to get out a new stable release, so don't hold your breath.
Once the new release is out the kde packages should hit unstable pretty quickly... there are already "unofficial" debs available.
i can attest that it does indeed compile properly with gcc versions earlier than gcc-2.95 as i build it daily on a box with egcs 1.1.2. there are no guarentees it will remain compileable with egcs 1.1.2 in the future, though it probably will at least until i upgrade this machine here ;-)
environment..
The difference is that in this case the environment is firmly in userland, and you want this. Otherwise usability can drop. But being firmly in userland gives me choices. I can run konqueror in Enlightment and even in gnome.
Separation at this level is vital for healthy growth. Any other methodology is poisoned and will wither.
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
I've been casually monitoring the Debian-KDE mailing list (May archive). Apparently the KDE packagers for Debian are working off of 3.0.1, so when they do arrive in official unstable they'll be quite up-to-date.
Instructions for how to use experimental unofficial packages can be found here. I haven't tried them myself - I'll wait until they appear in unstable. Check out the mailing list to see others' impressions.
"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent." --Carl Sagan
KDE provide their stuff for free.
KDE didn't take 20+ years to decide security was important.
KDE's patch fixes the bugs.
If you, or anyone, finds a bug in KDE anyone with reasonable programming competence could probably fix it.
People who download software download patches.
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
Are the KDE 3.0.1 RedHat RPM's out?
I cant find any - at least not yet.
Ok, newbie question:
How do I download all the RedHat RPM's in one go? Its really tedious clicking on all the rpm's in the folder. I'm sure there is a better way.
Michael
There is no cryptographic solution to the problem where the intended receiver and the attacker are the same entity.
But you need a really fast network connection. Don't try it with a modem.
There's an install CD, but it puts in only a base system. You still need to download everything else. (Of course, this condition is subject to change without notice.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
KHTML = small, light, fast, good at displaying HTML quickly. Ideal for embedding, which is what it's used for.
Gecko = not so small (though still quite diddy), fast, very good at displaying HTML but also designed for groovy XML stuff like XUL - this adds its own overheads.
They are both pretty good, though Gecko is light years beyond KHTML in terms of technology. That's okay though, because KHTML does quite a good job of standard web pages and is fast to load/embed, unlike Gecko. KHTML for some reason also looks better on my box, I think it's a fonts issue.
And finally, if you want you can use the KMozilla bindings to replace KHTML with Gecko - well I say replace, actually unlike Windows KHTML is not required per se for KDE to function, rather an HTML Renderer with the correct KParts interface is. Somebody has wrapped those interfaces around Gecko and the result is a pluggable HTML handler. This is why browser integration with KDE is good (it's not actually specific to a browser/rendering engine) but with Windows it's bad (IE or else).
This is one that I noticed on the KMail homepage. If you use KMail with IMAP then please please upgrade for your own sake, or else massive dataloss could occur! I'm not sure how the KMail team let this one slip past, but it's a pretty important fix.
I think when I checked last night Red Hat had the rpms for thier up2date service. I would highly recommend registering with Red Hat (it's free) and you can setup hardware profiles that allow you to use the Red Hat up2date feature for each of your machines. You can access it from the control panel in KDE 3 (i think, on a 2k box right now) it is some where on the K menu. Either way, look around and you will find it. It works great for me. It even updates the kernel on the fly.
Since the main RH site seems slow at the moment, check the mirror sites for rawhide (some sites don't have the directory).
I work on a 95% W2K campus, with the remainder being Mac. I've been gently pushing folks here to consider various Unix solutions. I even occasionally joke with my only-slightly-pointy-haired boss about replacing W2K and Office with Linux/OpenOffice whenever MS licensing costs come up.
I love Linux. I've got the only Linux box here since I don't feel like porting a bunch of CGI Perl I wrote to IIS. But I hear people talk all the time about how Linux is ready for the desktop and that KDE is just as easy as Windows.
And then I see the above post, and realize just how detached that view is from reality...
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
We've been debating what it is Microsoft fears about open source. It's probably not the money (in the mid term) and I'm not even sure that it's the pressure to open their source (in the short term). Right now, the big different for me as a consumer is that I feel good about buying and upgrading Linux based distros. It actually makes me happy. The last time Microsoft made me feel even vaguely like that was with Windows 3.1
I wonder if what they fear is that they've dug themselves into a position (with software as a service active for business and threatened for consumers) where they can't persuade people to pay them more money voluntarily, and instead they have to go down the slippery slope of coercing and compelling. That can't be a good long term prospect for them.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
I just tried installing on my Mandrake 8.2 box, and it rendered my KDE unuseable, and barfed on my system.
;-)
I had a very recent backup, so I forced the installation (using urpmi *.rpm). Perhaps not the brightest thing to do, as it complained quite a bit, but I forced it anyway.
Anyway, buyer beware. Now I get to sit reading slashdot while I recover my system!!
Hey Hugo, if you're out there, Mondo covered my ass!!
If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide. -Ghandi
And finally, if you want you can use the KMozilla bindings to replace KHTML with Gecko - well I say replace, actually unlike Windows KHTML is not required per se for KDE to function, rather an HTML Renderer with the correct KParts interface is.
You can do the same thing with Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Internet Explorer. IE is just an ActiveX component, and any other component that implements the same interface will work in 98% of cases. For instance, Mozilla ActiveX Control implements all IE interfaces (except for document.all and VBScript) in terms of Gecko. Heck, it even comes with a program that patches IE to use Gecko!
Will I retire or break 10K?
If Debian is in freeze, why do some packages get updated while some are not? Mozilla has been updated several times since KDE3 was released, so has several libraries and apps. So why not KDE?
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I would think, mainly for content control, and abuse of said network.
Sure, they can post MD5 sums on the website for people to verify them against, but I don't think that many people actually bother doing that. I imagine for safety, I'd probably download from a central server (web page/ftp site) even if such a P2P infrastructure were in place, simply for the fact that I can be reasonably assured that it hasn't been tampered with.
Additionally I would think it wouldn't be too long before miscreants started finding ways to share their warez on the network as well, giving it a bad name. Of course, we could continually fix the network against such uses, but they'd continually find ways into it. I'd much rather have the [kernel|KDE|gnome|etc.] developers working on their respective projects than on some peer to peer network.
I know the ftp sites can get fairly flooded, but I started getting KDE 3.0.1 from ftp.kde.org when I first saw the news this morning and got well over 100K/s here in Canada - doesn't seem so bad to me.
University - a box of academia nuts.
"Only in their dreams can men truly be free 'twas always thus, and always thus will be."
--Tom Schulman
Upgrading to KDE3 is probably less risky than upgrading the distro ;-)
Cannot use it?
If you're using KDE CVS - press CTRL SHIFT N - now you got another tab, CTRL SHIFT W - closes the tab..
Hetz (Heunique)
f you're a gui man/woman, use konqueror! simply browse using ftp and group select with mouse and drag to some folder or the desktop. much more appropriate methinks to use kde to download kde :-)
Thank you for the tip. That was a much easier way to download 179 files than by clicking on each one. I think that opera had problems with the multiple select for download. Konqueror handles FTP much better.
Michael
There is no cryptographic solution to the problem where the intended receiver and the attacker are the same entity.