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KDE 3.0.1 Ships
Andreas "Dre" Pour writes "Short on the heels of the remarkably successful launch of the KDE 3 series with
a very stable and complete KDE 3.0 last month,
the KDE Project has announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.0.1.
While primarily a translation release, it also squashes some bugs, including
some minor security issues with the HTML engine. Read the (relatively short)
announcement and the fairly complete
ChangeLog for more info.
Binary packages are already available from the stalwart KDE packagers at
Compaq Tru64, Conectiva Linux, Mandrake Linux and SuSE Linux.
As always, we hope you enjoy the latest and greatest KDE!"
and to reply to my own post, here it is from the announcement
KDE will not compile properly with gcc versions earlier than gcc-2.95, such as egcs-1.1.2 or gcc-2.7.2, or with unpatched versions of gcc 3.0.x. However, KDE should compile properly with gcc 3.1
Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt --Abraham Lincoln
KDE 3 (as well as XFree 4.2) is not going into Debian at least until Woody is released. In addition, Debian will be switching to using GCC 3.1 as the main compiler after Woody, so you'll probably have to wait for that to happen as well.
:) )
Until then, use the unofficial debs in the post immediately above. Note that there are several packages (such as kdegames and kdeartwork) which are not included, as calc is not their maintainer (I wish he were - I miss the 'Glow' window theme and 'Shisen-Sho'
-- Help Digitise the Public Domain at DP.
And the OpenBSD project is now part of the game, e.g.,
the update of various ports to kde 3.0.1 will be committed
today, thanks to advance access to the tarballs from the
kde guys. Thanks a lot !
--
Marc Espie
Good gawd no!
The KDE KHTML part is small, efficient and awesome. The Mozilla engine is big and cumbersome.
There are people on the KDE team that know the KHTML part inside out, to use Mozilla, they'd have to learn the internals of that if they wanted to make changes.
I say stay with KHTML. One of the goals of OSS is to allow choice. If you want to use Mozilla in KDE, use it. Or you can use the included one built on KHTML.
University - a box of academia nuts.
Actually the reason for Konqueror and KHTML is the really tight integration of the system components and IO substructure of KDE.
KDE has a brilliantly easy to use component technology called KParts, which is good for Desktop use and a equally great (and extremely useful) IO system called KIO, which is used in combination with KHTML and KJS (the JavaScript engine) to make Konqueror a browser.
Now it could be basically possible to use Gecko (the HTML/XML/XUL renderer of Mozilla) like they do in Galeon, but honestly when they began writing Konqueror Mozilla just wasn't something useful and there was and is no release quality Gecko port to Qt, which is absolutely required for an integrated browser.
Now for normal browsing both browsers are greatly useful and I do use both (Mozilla RC2 and Konqueror for KDE 3.0). But honestly to me Konqueror is just more friendly for general work, while I use my Mozilla for netbanking (mostly due to the really insistent browser ID checking of the banking webapp).
It's all good, all the time
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Andreas "Dre" Pour writes ...
Its nice to see this kind of thing on Slashdot. Now days everybody talks like they've got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherf**kers act like they forgot about Dre...
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The install: (important parts marked with *) /etc/hosts (if it's not already there)
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1) set up Gentoo 1.1a w/stage3 per install docs
2) installed kernel-2.4.19-r4, preempt, lowlatency
3) *important: merged binutils-2.12+ in order to take advantage of combreloc (but built kernel with 2.11 beforehand just to be safe)
4) *USE flags="-march=i686 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" Many people use a lot of crazy optimizations, but the only one to me that makes a noticable difference in "feel" is -fomit-frame-pointer, and I don't need to debug my system so its all good.
4) *rebuilt glibc with new binutils installed
5) finish install per docs. (I use metalog, and lilo instead of grub)
6) reboot
7) use hdparm to make sure DMA is enabled
8) you now have a Gentoo system ready to build apps with the combreloc tweak (you can test this by running apps with 'LD_DEBUG=statistics' and checking the relocations)
9) build X, kdebase, kdenetwork, mozilla, vim, etc... (doesn't matter)
10) *add fam to start on boot (allows KDE to track files quicker)
11) *add your hostname to
After doing all of this, I can notice a HUGE difference in speed. KDE is very very fast..apps pop up instantly, and it is no less stable then before. Konqueror is definately faster than IE6 on Win2k..just amazing! Overall, I would give KDE3 a 95% stability rating.
Anyways, I'm just sharing my experience. You may or may not have the same results, email me if you have questions. Remember that reiserfs has been known to cause corruption for some, and the binutils-2.12 is considered experimental, but for me it's been all good so far.
------------------If only I could come up with a good sig
[... Huge KDE Myths rant ...]
Hey, looks like you feel really strongly about this. Can I give you a little advice?
Try to go out more. Talk to people. Try to talk about something other than computers. Listen to what other people have to say.
Play some sport. Take up a hobby that's not related to computers. Try taking an interest in girls.
Relax. Have fun. Don't worry.
Forget about KDE and Gnome. They're not as important as you think.
At this point it is the freeze which has held up adding new packages it seems. In the mean time some of the Debian packagers have made their .debs available by other means. Here are the lines for /etc/apt/sources.list:
Chris Cheney: kdelibs, kdebase, kdenetwork, kdemultimedia, kdegraphics, kdeutils, kdepim ./
./
deb http://www.ping.uio.no/~mortehu/kde-i386
Ben Burton: kdesdk,kdeaddons,kdetoys,kdeedu,koffice(not there yet)
deb http://people.debian.org/~bab/kde3
I assume the other packages are being worked on by their respective maintainers.
Whatever happened to the good old way of announcing open-source software??
I doubt, therefore I may be.
For those of you who are not aware of this site, www.kde-look.org is a great site for all kinds of themes, icons and backgrounds. Check out some of the work there, especially mosfet's liquid theme and the crystal ikons.
S.t.e.v.e.
I have KDE 3.0.5 running on Debian woody. Just check out qt-copy and kde from anon cvs (http://www.kde.org/anoncvs.html), follow the instructions in README.qt-copy, then compile and install cvs as per instructions on kde's page, with --prefix=/usr/local/kde. It plays nicely with KDE 2 from apt.
The masses are the crack whores of religion.
I've been casually monitoring the Debian-KDE mailing list (May archive). Apparently the KDE packagers for Debian are working off of 3.0.1, so when they do arrive in official unstable they'll be quite up-to-date.
Instructions for how to use experimental unofficial packages can be found here. I haven't tried them myself - I'll wait until they appear in unstable. Check out the mailing list to see others' impressions.
"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent." --Carl Sagan
But you need a really fast network connection. Don't try it with a modem.
There's an install CD, but it puts in only a base system. You still need to download everything else. (Of course, this condition is subject to change without notice.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
This is one that I noticed on the KMail homepage. If you use KMail with IMAP then please please upgrade for your own sake, or else massive dataloss could occur! I'm not sure how the KMail team let this one slip past, but it's a pretty important fix.
I think when I checked last night Red Hat had the rpms for thier up2date service. I would highly recommend registering with Red Hat (it's free) and you can setup hardware profiles that allow you to use the Red Hat up2date feature for each of your machines. You can access it from the control panel in KDE 3 (i think, on a 2k box right now) it is some where on the K menu. Either way, look around and you will find it. It works great for me. It even updates the kernel on the fly.
We've been debating what it is Microsoft fears about open source. It's probably not the money (in the mid term) and I'm not even sure that it's the pressure to open their source (in the short term). Right now, the big different for me as a consumer is that I feel good about buying and upgrading Linux based distros. It actually makes me happy. The last time Microsoft made me feel even vaguely like that was with Windows 3.1
I wonder if what they fear is that they've dug themselves into a position (with software as a service active for business and threatened for consumers) where they can't persuade people to pay them more money voluntarily, and instead they have to go down the slippery slope of coercing and compelling. That can't be a good long term prospect for them.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
And finally, if you want you can use the KMozilla bindings to replace KHTML with Gecko - well I say replace, actually unlike Windows KHTML is not required per se for KDE to function, rather an HTML Renderer with the correct KParts interface is.
You can do the same thing with Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Internet Explorer. IE is just an ActiveX component, and any other component that implements the same interface will work in 98% of cases. For instance, Mozilla ActiveX Control implements all IE interfaces (except for document.all and VBScript) in terms of Gecko. Heck, it even comes with a program that patches IE to use Gecko!
Will I retire or break 10K?
Cannot use it?
If you're using KDE CVS - press CTRL SHIFT N - now you got another tab, CTRL SHIFT W - closes the tab..
Hetz (Heunique)