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EFF Releases "The Tinseltown Club"
Seth Schoen writes: "Sing along, kids! EFF is debuting the
EFF Action Center
with a song produced by EFF and friends -- the
Tinsel Town
Club Song (a parody of the
"Mickey Mouse Club Song").
"Tinseltown Club" makes fun of Disney for its support of legislation
which takes away your rights. There's also
an MP3 version (with better sound quality) for those
who can't see the Flash animation, and we expect to make several
other formats available soon. To help save bandwidth, we are
encouraging listeners to share the song on peer-to-peer networks." Update: Seth has written in with some mirrors you can try, I've posted his note in the story..
Seth says:
"Please try P2P networks first, before going to an HTTP site! The song and animation are definitely out there on the P2P networks by now.
For those who have BitTorrent, use http://bittorrent.theory.org:8080/20020528_eff_tinseltown_club.mp3
For those who use http, get The MP3 from here.
Please go easy on action.eff.org (where the Flash animation is posted) and please do set up and publicize your own mirrors.
- Seth"
they get sued for copyright infringement.
I tried to grab the flash file to share on gnutella, but eff.org keeps denying me when I use wget or curl (grabbed url from page source).
Is there a URL where we can grab it so we can spread the word?
"Let him go, Ralph. He knows what he's doing." --Otto Mann (simpsons)
A. Still need to use mp3 tools.
B. Quality loss going from one lossy format to another
they thought about the sound aspect but dammnit people want to see the video also.For someone that was concerned about using up to much bandwidth they could have made a format for download so that we could see it offline. I guess that would have taken planning and forsight. Sigh... guess I will sit here and see if it ever loads. 3 minutes to slashdot effect and counting...
Hey here is a thought, I got ten bucks that says we never see this on total request live...
Papa Legba come and open the gate
this is just sad. the last thing that's going to convince me disney is evil is a bunch of geeks singing, badly at that.
BilldaCat
What better way for EFF to spend my contribution than paying for the bandwidth bill from the slashdot effect!
why not convert the mp3 yourself??
Hmm... let's see here... converting a lossy format to another lossy format... can anyone say, "Massive Quality Loss"?
This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
What if you have no peer?
IANAL, but I've seen actors play them on TV
I hate to be picky and point out spelling errors (ok, no I don't), but shouldn't it be fairly easy to cut and paste the contributor's name into the "dept." text area? Especially if there's any chance you might mispell it?
I realize the dept. area is just a throw-away gag, but it still affects the quality of the site when such a simple mistake is made.
THis is Hilarious, I just hope that the EFF doesn't loose it's credibility as a result of this hilarious piece of work! They really should be acting more mature when it comes to serious matters such as these. Think about it, do we really want them to represent us with such works of art?
I unable to play Stallman singing " Free Software song ". Does anyone have a link to a music file of *him* singing it in another music format (ogg/mp3)?
The EFF is making a good statement here, without even issuing a statement.
1. Parodies are be protected speech, and the same content that is legal in "traditional" media should be legal on the internet.
2. Disney really sucks
3. Peer-to-Peer file-sharing software is not merely for eypatch wearing, parrot on their shoulder types. People actually use it legitimately.
WWJD? JWRTFA!
4. We don't need to use a license restricted format (mp3) when there's a better format available freely (ogg)
Since most articles are /.ed as soon as they are posted. I think a great feature for subscribers would be a mirror to each article that is hosted on slashdot.
Hacker Media
at .3 KB/s i'm going to guess i'm not the only person trying to download the mp3 right now.
So do you think the RIAA would be stupid enough to come after me if I distribute this song on a Napster-like system?
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Would you rather be represented by humorless executives?
In Vino Veritas
Does anyone think after hearing this parody, Disney will have some epic crisis of conscience and immediately reverse its support of anti-freedom legislation?
Seems like the time and effort behind this would be better spent mailing/e-mailing/snail-mailing/phoning legislators to voice your opposition.
No Ogg format?
Okay - now that the EFF has made their opinions known, rather than hiding behind the shield of anonymity that is associated with a law firm..
What's not to stop the media conglomorates from attacking the release of the song? Wierd Al Yankovic had similar problems in the early eighties, if my memory serves me correctly. Are they (eff) intentionally hoping to bring litigation to bear? They must think they can defeat specific articles of some copyright law if this is the case.. they wouldn't put their own organization in jeopardy, certainly..
WTF are they up to? Self promotion? That I doubt - these folks seem too non-commercial for that. Are they just having fun? Oh my god.
Let's analyze the crud out of it! Yay! Go!
I need a shower
If they had used BitTorrent to host the file, their bandwidth problem would be solved (or at least improved).
Software patents?
Odd that the EFF would use the proprietary Flash format.
(someone shoot the lameness filter please. Cheers. *fears for all those CPU cycles burned doing gzip compression*)
I know someone has this. I also know that nobody is sharing this. Please get Gnucleus if you are using Win32. Gnucleus is open source, no spyware, gnutella, decentralised, peer-to-peer, free, no ads, works, fast, multi-source downloads, file hashing, not audiogalaxy.
To help save bandwidth, we are encouraging listeners to share the song on peer-to-peer networks
Huh? There is no bandwidth saved. What they mean is, we want to shift the cost of distributing this thing to other people.
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Hmmm... so Flash is a bad evil tool of the devil (as spouted here at Slashdot) but when the EFF uses it, no problem? Come on.
The toon simply proves the point that the SWF format is the best way to do such cartoons and interactivity on the web. Why won't the open source community embrace it and make a good GUI editor for it? While cool and all, I'm simply not able to make such a cartoon with free software. Unless the EFF is hiding some cool new tool from us they are using some non-free proprietary software to make that SWF, period.
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userland's dave winer has an image you can use to link to the animation from your own website.
(i humbly admit that i made it. i am biased.)
go get it
Download here: http://shakti.tky.hut.fi/slashdot/effmp3
Well all I can say is that i'm glad I came to my senses and didn't send the money to the EFF. I had a feeling they were nothing more than immature people who would foolishly spend away money in a way that only influences people who already believe in the cause.
Try spending money on lobbying, its much more effective than songs that make a 10 year old laugh.
I guess fat is relative. I have no sympathy for all malnourished fucking third worlders.
People who are "served" by Warner digital cable are paying more $$$ than ever before for poorer service. (And each TV now needs its own Set Top Box.)
AOL TIME Warner owns the magazines you read, the movie studios, movie theatres, 50% of internet users and nearly half of the cable TV customers.
It seems like AOL Time Warner has the EFF in their pocket, too! They convinced the EFF to attack poor Disney, which is struggling to compete in the shadow of the massivce AOL Time Warner monopoly.
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If Eisner thought there was money to be made pimping small fragile boys to Catholic priests, there'd be a new division at Disney formed overnight. It's not about the children, it's about the money, stupid.
Sorry the Goonies was done by Warner Studios AKA Weard Brohers. ;)
Thank goodness dizzy can only ad english and some music and no edititing to Hayao Miyazaki films or I would be ticked!
I see. Americans suck because we have it better than most countries. *Nods* I can understand that attitude. I get jealous sometimes too.
:)
Personally, I'm glad that we have to deal with the problems you mentioned, because it's millions of times better than dealing with suicide bombers and a shitty economy.
I sure am glad I'm an American, it sure beats having a funny accent and hating other people for silly reasons.
. . . unless it's changed since this morning, doesn't the last frame invite viewers to find out what they can do?
The cartoon is motivating people to act.
I sent this link to my sisters, who have taken no interest in this issue at all. I am know that the stupid cartoon and song will make them laugh, but the confrontational lyrics should make them think. (I'm just glad I sent it to them yesterday.)
eDonkey users try this: ed2k://|file|20020528_eff_tinseltown_club.mp3|1875 400|7d4c0b5d11e81ef532048116e7c6077d|">20020528 _eff_tinseltown_club.mp3 .
since when has slashdot been about quality?:)
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Who was it that sang that?
I mean, they don't have to be Free Software fanatics or anything, but I do expect the EFF to at least make a token effort at not squandering money, and keeping true to their beliefs. Surely the $1000 licensing fee for Macromedia Flash plus time spend developing the animation could have been better employed to defend peoples' rights in the real world, rather than promoting a proprietary plugin that I can't even see. I mean, the total amount I have donated to the EFF in the past is probably less than $1000, and I'd consider myself one of their more pecunative sponsorors.
Self-declared "pragmatists" may claim that Flash is the most widespread, or that it is the 'best', but he is a fool who denies that freedom from vendor lock-in and the goals of the EFF do not go hand in hand. I'll be contacting them directly over the next few days; the only right thing for them to do is to remove the proprietary Flash animation from their site.
Yeah, for earning the respect of the general public for an august organization like the EFF, there's nothing quite like making up a song that mocks those who disagree.
If that doesn't work, maybe we can shoot Disney execs with spitwads or give them atomic wedgies.
This is Slashdot. We all use noisy multi-fanned Athlon boxes running linux and X Windows. Nobody cares about quality here.
Decoding of .au files (SUN audio?) is in the kernel. /dev/audio.
Just do a cat song.au >
I can't get to their main page now, so I'm trying to figure out the lyrics. This is the best I can come up with so far. Anyone know what these words I couldn't figure out are?
Ooh, sing along kids!
Tinsel town glow[?]
Tinsel town glow
Tinsel town glow
Tinsel town glow
Who believes the average chains a criminal on the ???
Disney and his show biz friends
Who have a lot at stake
Who with their laws turn back the clocks
The rights we have today
The entertainment moguls and CBDTPA
And they stell us stuff (it's overpriced!)
They lock it up (and that's not nice!)
So they can keep their profits in the sky (sky high!)
So join the fight, defend your rights
Before they're whisked away
Speak up fast! Don't let them pass CBDTPA
Numbers count (they make Congress pay attention!)
Tell all your friends about that old CBDTPA
And in further late breaking news, the RIAA and MPAA finally destroy the EFF by Slashdotting their servers.
...Michael Eisner. The two are not the same, even though Eisner lusts for that.
It's the greed, desire to control beyond appropriate boundries, and self-agrandisment that makes me sick of Eisner and his boot-lickers.
As I said when I submitted this story in vain this morning at 6am, the phrases 'Mickey Mouse Copy Protection' and 'Mickey Mouse Computer' need to enter the language in this context - as in 'Do you want a Mickey Mouse computer that stops you making music?'
if you have edonkey installed, this URL will get you the file(I know I'm sharing it, chances are other edonkey users are too); slashdot munges the URL, so you need to hand-paste it(sorry...yell at Slashdot.) Only works with IE, unless you've modified the registry to get edonkey links working inside of Opera.
8 75 400|7d4c0b5d11e81ef532048116e7c6077d
ed2k://|file|20020528_eff_tinseltown_club.mp3|1
BTW, you really DO need to get it from a P2P network. Their connection is crawling right now...and even if it isn't, each download costs 'em money.
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"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." - Homer Simpson
#$@$%!
I posted an invalid URL; slash seems to be sticking in an extra space for some dumbass reason. Even using HTML mode, I can't get Slash to stop, but basically, it should be:
1875400
NOT:
1875 400
Remove the space, and eDonkey will not complain about it being an "invalid url" or somesuch.
http://bittorrent.theory.org:8080/20020528_eff_tin seltown_club.mp3
burris
It's very catchy. Sort of obnoxiouse, but catchy. And thus, gentlemen, and the, err..3 ladies, I am going to burn this to CDR and mail it to my congresswoman, Joanne Davis (R, VA - 1st district). She a dunce who thinks the DMCA is about Napster no matter what i triend to tell her. As such I hate her, and subjecting her to this will be sweet revenge, as well as maybe getting the point accross -- unless that could be considered domestic terrorsim?
a mirror to each article
For text, you can try Google Cache. Otherwise, it's answered in the FAQ list.
-- Pinocchioand tell him to oppose AB2747. At the same time Gov. Davis is whining about the budget deficit and raising taxes on the little people, the Assembly just voted 68-1 to give Hollywood a handout so they can buy more politicians.
there is no entity known as Slashdot.
Not even the VA Software board of directors?
Here's a transcription, as best I can figure it out.
Ohh! Sing along kids.
Tinsel Town Club x3
Who believes the average [inaudible] a criminal [inaudiable]
Disney and ??? showbiz friends, hugalguglalguglsg
Who blah blah blah and blah blah the rights we have today
huguaglguglugualg
We're all gay at the EFF
We love to hug our macintoshes and program in Java
DMCA!
DCMA!
See ya real soon
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Satire is a constitutionally protected form of speech, and I believe that's how weird Al got around it (although he might change a note or two here and there). Especially considering the political nature of this EFF satire, use of the basic tune would almost certainly be protected under the first amendment.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
It's the greed, desire to control beyond appropriate boundries, and self-agrandisment that makes me sick of Eisner and his boot-lickers.
Anybody seen Shrek? Apparently, the "Lord Farquaad" character (pronounced "lord fuckwad") is supposed to represent Ei$ner.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I have a copy at:
m p3
/.'ed pretty good, so try to use some kind of mirror if possible.
http://cubicmetercrystal.com/eff_tinseltown_club.
The EFF is getting
Some French dude who bills himself as "Tompox" created a techno version of the song a while back... it actually rocks pretty hard.
Check it out.
The page about the song:
here
The song itself:
here
Don't belittle them with sarcastic strawman arguments. It's reasonable to expect they wanted to publish something that would stand a chance of grabbing the average person's attention thus increasing awareness of our loss of freedom to corporate masters.
There is no need to sequence the events so we do this first, then that. We can do all that and more in any order we wish and benefit from having people do all these things simultaneously.
Digital Citizen
OK, I've watched dozens of articles go by on slashdot regarding how evil Eisner/Disney is and all the other media companies that are pushing for copyright protection - Mil. Act, etc...
Exactly where's the problem? The recording/media industry owns/controls the rights to the music/movies, etc... and they charge 15-20 bucks for purchasing a DVD, tape or CD that contains that copyrighted material. The cost isn't outrageous (unless your trying to collect a 1000 movies/songs) (hey, that's capitalism, you want socialism - please, not in my backyard) and they do own the copyright - legally - whether people like it or not. So if somebody wants to own a 1000 cars as part of his private collection it shouldn't be illegal to steal cars? and the grand theft auto laws should be renounced??
I hear whining and complaining about all the laws taking away people's freedoms and rights - yes, I would agree the law preventing people from reverse engineering encryptions and other copy protection systems are wrong - but what's up with hammering the media companies - they have every right to protect the material they own - no? I'm a 2600 reader and did my share of software piracy when I was a kid - fun, but can't say that it was right.
Yes, people would like them to wake up smell the coffee and implement new protection technologies instead of creating new laws - unfortunately I haven't heard of any security system yet that is practical or feasible (which doesn't mean it doesn't exist) - Jobs and Grove blame the media companies for not trying hard enough - as far as I can tell there are probably 1000's of guy's out there trying to dream up a system that they can pitch to the media companies because you can bet if it worked the media companies would pounce on it (as demonstrated by the wasted money they spent on some recent protection scheme disasters) and the guy/company who came up with it would make a mint. Jobs and Grove seem to be taking the cowardly way out by blaming the media companies for not coming up with a solution when they themselves don't seem to have the answer either. How about coming up with something to show that it can be done and THEN blaming the media industry if they don't implement it?
I'm not trying to flame anyone for holding their position I just don't seem to see the same picture they do of the situation.
I'd be interested to hear how so many slashdotters hold such a uniform position against the media companies yet, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of logic behind the position - additionally -directly- addressing my previous observations/questions would also be appreciated.
I got the MP3. Anyone got a mirror for the flash?
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I'm staying logged into giFT at the moment to share this file (its the only one I'm sharing, actually), and I think it has spread to a few other users. See http://gift.sf.net/. I'm sharing the MP3, don't have the flash right now..
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Listening to the lyrics, there's a few lines that are a little difficult to understand. If anyone can understand them better than I, please let us know. In the mean time, here's a mirror of the song, in text format:
"Those who would sacrifice essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
The Flash video was nicely done, but I think trying to paint corporations as villains for trying to "keep their profits high" is a strategy waiting to backfire. Keeping profits high is what corporations are supposed to do. No one in power is going to spank them for doing that.
The whole issue isn't about profits in the first place. It's about control. THEY want to control the things YOU buy AFTER you buy them. And they're using all their corporate powers -- money, lobbying, technology -- to stop you from owning things at all. In their world, you don't own CDs, just licenses to listen to them.
I think we'd all be doing better if we lampooned these corporations as communist dictators instead of capitalists. The analogy fits better, and it's funnier, too.
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
It does!!! /dev/audio), but this one is much better!!!
I got the original version to play now (with cat >
It rocks pretty hard!!!
The real irony is that y'all actually believe you've got it better that most countries...
No suicide bombers? Um, no. Just not many, but the ones you have sure don't muck around... Shitty economy? Um, strong financially, but look at the world cost. Oh wait, money IS everything isn't it?
And yeah, the American accent is the non-funny one. Unless you're one of the 5.9 or so Billion people who aren't American.
OMGOMGOMGOMGGOMGOMGOMGOGMG LARGE CORPORATION TRYING TO CONTROL PRODUCT THEFT. THOSE CUNTRAGS!
Yeah, fuck you EFF, you're a joke. The only reason I give a shit about you is because I respect Wil Wheaton. ASS HOLES.
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An Association Named Sue. Now available in ogg!
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I see at least one copy of the song on giFT, and I just added my own copy to that.
It's a nice song and all, but...I can't make out the lyrics. Are they posted anywhere?
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The problem is that our rights as consumers of media are being taken away from us. That by crippling the content we buy, and making it illegal for us to work around that crippling, or to even create something that could be used to get around that crippling, the entertainment industry is hamstringing the public's rights.
The way this cartoon portrays it though, this may as well be a WTO protest. The clip seems to be one that has a strong anti-capitalist tone, the "big bad corporations want to make money" kind of thing. But this will not only NOT get the true severity of the problem across to John Q Public, it will align the EFF with the left wing anti-globalization/anti-capitalist protesters, who are far from acceptance in the mainstream. I live in Berkeley, and it reminds me a lot of the "hey, let's go protest something - it doesn't really matter what" mentality I hear all the time here. This means that they aren't just not quite getting their message across effectively, they're actually detracting from their position.
I know plenty of people familiar with the situation find the clip funny, but the few people I sent it to who are not already involved all thought it was just being critical of Disney for being a big American company. Until I explained it to them, they weren't sure whether to dismiss it as radical propaganda or not.
I fully support the EFF's cause, and I wish they had done something a little less propagandistic, and a little more explanatory.
...than is immediately evident. After listening to it a few times I can actually remember the acronym CBDTPA.
And, of course, once released as Open Audio it would then be appropriate for listing in the Open Music Registry. :-)
No Laughing Allowed!
Also note their use of ASP. Isn't that proprietary? (It certainly does seem as nice to program in as PHP)
Having studied only British English at school and preferring BBC (who use predominantly something resembling "Queen's English", apart from foreign guests and of course Vicky Parker) as my anglophone source of news instead of the US-centric American networks I find it a bit difficult to follow some of the lyrics in "cartoon-American".
I couldn't find the lyrics for this EFF-Disney extragavanza anywhere but with the EFF being involved I must be missing something. Could some kind soul either point me to the right direction or alternatively post the lyrics e.g. here on Slashdot (potential karma goldmine awaits...)?
Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?
...with the Flash movie and the music (in Ogg and MP3) has been set up here:
http://marcus.pixelmagic.nu/tinseltown_club/
I quite like that song... A hacker song done to old country/folk music, very well done. I recommend everyone who comes across give it a good listen.
Bork!
Is it just me, or is it wierd that the EFF uses ASPs on there home page. No a whole lot of freedom with that setup .
jason
jason
Have a good day?! Impossible! I'm at work!
Hmm, Since the EFF has taken a stance against the DMCA and the DMCA itself is a copyright protection device. Dosn't that make the EFF illegal since one of it's stated goals is to circumvent the DMCA? ;-)
Parody or no, this was a waste of my time and whoever made it. It doesn't send a usefull message and it's not "funny" enough to have any value.
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Should they go to GAY DAY at WALT DISNEY WORLD or not?
Whoever marked this intelligent post as a troll is obviously suffering from AIDS RELATED DEMENTIA.
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