XML Namespaces and How They Affect XPath and XSLT

Dare Obasanjo writes: "XML namespaces are an integral aspect of most of the W3C's XML recommendations and working drafts, including XPath, XML Schema, XSLT, XQuery, SOAP, RDF, DOM, and XHTML. Understanding how namespaces work and how they interact with a number of other W3C technologies that are dependent on them is important for anyone working with XML to any significant degree." Some heavy reading below, as Dare completes the thought.

This article explores the ins and outs of XML namespaces and their ramifications on a number of XML technologies that support namespaces. What follows is a shortened version of my first Extreme XML column.

Overview of XML Namespaces

As XML usage on the Internet became more widespread, the benefits of being able to create markup vocabularies that could be combined and reused similarly to how software modules are combined and reused became increasingly important. If a well defined markup vocabulary for describing coin collections, program configuration files, or fast food restaurant menus already existed, then reusing it made more sense than designing one from scratch. Combining multiple existing vocabularies to create new vocabularies whose whole was greater than the sum of its parts also became a feature that users of XML began to require.

However, the likelihood of identical markup, specifically XML elements and attributes, from different vocabularies with different semantics ending up in the same document became a problem. The very extensibility of XML and the fact that its usage had already become widespread across the Internet precluded simply specifying reserved elements or attribute names as the solution to this problem.

The goal of the W3C XML namespaces recommendation was to create a mechanism in which elements and attributes within an XML document that were from different markup vocabularies could be unambiguously identified and combined without processing problems ensuing. The XML namespaces recommendation provided a method for partitioning various items within an XML document based on processing requirements without placing undue restrictions on how these items should be named. For instance, elements named <template>, <output>, and <stylesheet> can occur in an XSLT stylesheet without there being ambiguity as to whether they are transformation directives or potential output of the transformation.

An XML namespace is a collection of names, identified by a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) reference, which are used in XML documents as element and attribute names.

Namespace Declarations

A namespace declaration is typically used to map a namespace URI to a specific prefix. The scope of the prefix-namespace mapping is that of the element that the namespace declaration occurs on as well as all its children. An attribute declaration that begins with the prefix xmlns: is a namespace declaration. The value of such an attribute declaration should be a namespace URI which is the namespace name.

Here is an example of an XML document where the root element contains a namespace declaration that maps the prefix bk to the namespace name urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore and its child element contains an inventory element that contains a namespace declaration that maps the prefix inv to the namespace name urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:inventory-tracking.

<bk:bookstore xmlns:bk="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">
<bk:book>
<bk:title>Lord of the Rings</bk:title>
<bk:author>J.R.R. Tolkien</bk:author>
<inv:inventory status="in-stock" isbn="0345340426"
xmlns:inv="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:inventory-tracking" />
</bk:book>
</bk:bookstore>

In the above example, the scope of the namespace declaration for the urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore namespace name is the entire bk:bookstore element, while that of the urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:inventory-tracking is the inv:inventory element. Namespace aware processors can process items from both namespaces independently of each other, which leads to the ability to do multi-layered processing of XML documents. For instance, RDDL documents are valid XHTML documents that can be rendered by a Web browser but also contain information using elements from the http://www.rddl.org namespace that can be used to locate machine readable resources about the members of an XML namespace.

It should be noted that by definition the prefix xml is bound to the XML namespace name and this special namespace is automatically predeclared with document scope in every well-formed XML document.

Default Namespaces

The previous section on namespace declarations is not entirely complete because it leaves out default namespaces. A default namespace declaration is an attribute declaration that has the name xmlns and its value is the namespace URI that is the namespace name.

A default namespace declaration specifies that every unprefixed element name in its scope be from the declaring namespace. Below is the bookstore example utilizing a default namespace instead of a prefix-namespace mapping.

<bookstore xmlns="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">
<book>
<title>Lord of the Rings</bk:title>
<author>J.R.R. Tolkien</bk:author>
<inv:inventory status="in-stock" isbn="0345340426"
xmlns:inv="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:inventory-tracking" />
</book>
</bookstore>

All the elements in the above example except for the inv:inventory element belong to the urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore namespace. The primary purpose of default namespaces is to reduce the verbosity of XML documents that utilize namespaces. However, using default namespaces instead of utilizing explicitly mapped prefixes for element names can be confusing because it is not obvious that the elements in the document are namespace scoped.

Also, unlike regular namespace declarations, default namespace declarations can be undeclared by setting the value of the xmlns attribute to the empty string. Undeclaring default namespace declarations is a practice that should be avoided because it may lead to a document that has unprefixed names that belong to a namespace in one part of the document, but don't in another. For example, in the document below only the bookstore element is from the urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore while the other unprefixed elements have no namespace name.

<bookstore xmlns="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">
<book xmlns="">
<title>Lord of the Rings</bk:title>
<author>J.R.R. Tolkien</bk:author>
<inv:inventory status="in-stock" isbn="0345340426"
xmlns:inv="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:inventory-tracking" />
</book>
</bookstore>

This practice should be avoided because it leads to extremely confusing situations for readers of the XML document. For more information on undeclaring namespace declarations, see the section on Namespaces Future.

Qualified and Expanded Names

A qualified name, also known as a QName, is an XML name called the local name optionally preceded by another XML name called the prefix and a colon (':') character. The XML names used as the prefix and the local name must match the NCName production, which means that they must not contain a colon character. The prefix of a qualified name must have been mapped to a namespace URI through an in-scope namespace declaration mapping the prefix to the namespace URI. A qualified name can be used as either an attribute or element name.

Although QNames are important mnemonic guides to determining what namespace the elements and attributes within a document are derived from, they are rarely important to XML aware processors. For example, the following three XML documents would be treated identically by a range of XML technologies including, of course, XML schema validators.

<xs:schema xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
<xs:complexType id="123" name="fooType"/>
</xs:schema>

<xsd:schema xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
<xsd:complexType id="123" name="fooType"/>
</xsd:schema>

<schema xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
<complexType id="123" name="fooType"/>
</schema>

The W3C XML Path Language recommendation describes an expanded name as a pair consisting of a namespace name and a local name. A universal name is an alternate term coined by James Clark to describe the same concept. A universal name consists of a namespace name in curly braces and a local name. Namespaces tend to make more sense to people when viewed through the lens of universal names. Here are the three XML documents from the previous example with the QNames replaced by universal names. Note that the syntax below is not valid XML syntax.

<{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}schema>
<{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}complexType id="123" name="fooType"/>
</{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}schema>

<{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}schema>
<{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}complexType id="123" name="fooType"/>
</{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}schema>

<{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}schema>
<{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}complexType id="123" name="fooType"/>
</{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}schema>

To many XML applications, the universal name of the elements and attributes in an XML document are what is important, and not the values of the prefixes used in specific QNames. The primary reason the Namespaces in XML recommendation does not take the expanded name approach to specifying namespaces is due to its verbosity. Instead, prefix mappings and default namespaces are provided to save us all from developing carpal tunnel syndrome from typing namespace URIs endlessly.

Namespaces and Attributes

Namespace declarations do not apply to attributes unless the attribute's name is prefixed. In the XML document shown below the title attribute belongs to the bk:book element and has no namespace while the bk:title attribute has urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore as its namespace name. Note that even though both attributes have the same local name the document is well formed.

<bk:bookstore xmlns:bk="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">
<bk:book title="Lord of the Rings, Book 3" bk:title="Return of the King"/>
</bk:bookstore>

In the following example, the title attribute still has no namespace and belongs the book element even though there is a default namespace specified. In other words, attributes cannot inherit the default namespace.

<bookstore xmlns="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">
<book title="Lord of the Rings, Book 3" />
</bookstore>

Namespace URIs

A namespace name is a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) as specified in RFC 2396. A URI is either a Uniform Resource Locators (URLs) or a Uniform Resource Names (URNs). URLs are used to specify the location of resources on the Internet, while URNs are supposed to be persistent, location-independent identifiers for information resources. Namespace names are considered to be identical only if they are the same character for character (case-sensitive). The primary justification for using URIs as namespace names is that they already provide a mechanism for specifying globally unique identities.

The XML namespaces recommendation states that namespace names are only to act as unique identifiers and do not have to actually identify network retrievable resources. This has led to much confusion amongst authors and users of XML documents, especially since the usage of HTTP based URLs as namespace names has grown in popularity. Because many applications convert such URIs to hyperlinks, it is irritating to many users that these "links" do not lead to Web pages or other network retrievable resource. I remember one user who likened it to being given a fake phone number in a social situation.

One solution to avoid confusing users is to use a namespace-naming schema that does not imply network retrievability of the resource. I personally use the urn:xmlns: scheme for this purpose and create namespace names similar to urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com when authoring XML documents for personal use. The problem with homegrown namespace URIs is that they may run counter to the intent of the Names in XML recommendation by not being globally unique. I get around the globally unique requirement by using my personal domain name http://www.25hoursaday.com as part of the namespace URI.

Another solution is to leave a network retrievable resource at the URI that is the namespace name, such as is done with the XSLT and RDDL namespaces. Typically, such URIs are actually HTTP URLs. A good way to name such URLs is by using the format favored by the W3C, which is as follows:

http://my.domain.example.org/product/[year/month][/area]

See the section on Namespaces and Versioning for more information on using similarly structured namespace names as a versioning mechanism.

DOM, XPath, and the XML Information Set on Namespaces

The W3C has defined a number of technologies that provide a data model for XML documents. These data models are generally in agreement, but sometimes differ in how they treat various edge cases due to historic reasons. Treatment of XML namespaces and namespace declarations is an example of an edge case that is treated differently in the three primary data models that exist as W3C recommendations. The three data models are the XPath data model, the Document Object Model (DOM), and the XML information set.

The XML information set (XML infoset) is an abstract description of the data in an XML document and can be considered to be the primary data model for an XML document. The XPath data model is a tree-based model that is traversed when querying an XML document and is similar to the XML information set. The DOM precedes both data models but is also similar to both data models in a number of ways. Both the DOM and the XPath data model can be considered to be interpretations of the XML infoset.

Namespaces in the Document Object Model (DOM)

The XML namespace section of the DOM Level 3 specification considers namespace declarations to be regular attribute nodes that have http://www.w3.org/2000/xmlns/ as their namespace name and xmlns as their prefix or qualified name.

Elements and attributes in the DOM have a namespace name that cannot be altered after they have been created regardless of whether their location within the document changes or not.

Namespaces in the XPath Data Model

The W3C XPath recommendation does not consider namespace declarations to be attribute nodes and does not provide access to them in that capacity. Instead, in XPath every element in an XML document has a number of namespace nodes that can be retrieved using the XPath namespace navigation axis.

Each element in the document has a unique set of namespace nodes for each namespace declaration in scope for that particular element. Namespace nodes are unique to each element in that namespace. Thus namespace nodes for two different elements that represent the same namespace declaration are not identical.

Namespaces in the XML Information Set

The XML infoset recommendation considers namespace declarations to be attribute information items.

In addition, similar to the XPath data model, each element information item in an XML document's information set has a namespace information item for each namespace that is in scope for the element.

XPath, XSLT and Namespaces

The W3C XML Path Language also known as XPath is used to address parts of an XML document and is used in a number of W3C XML technologies including XSLT, XPointer, XML Schema, and DOM Level 3. XPath uses a hierarchical addressing mechanism similar to that used in file systems and URLs to retrieve pieces of an XML document. XPath supports rudimentary manipulation of strings, numbers, and Booleans.

XPath and Namespaces

The XPath data model treats an XML document as a tree of nodes, such as element, attribute, and text nodes, where the name of each node is a combination of its local name and its namespace name (that is, its universal or expanded name).

For element and attribute nodes without namespaces, performing XPath queries is fairly straightforward. The following program, which can be used to query XML documents using the command line, shall be used to demonstrate the impact of namespaces on XPath queries.

using System.Xml.XPath;
using System.Xml;
using System;
using System.IO;
class XPathQuery{
public static string PrintError(Exception e, string errStr){
if(e == null)
return errStr;
else
return PrintError(e.InnerException, errStr + e.Message );
}
public static void Main(string[] args){
if((args.Length == 0) || (args.Length % 2)!= 0){
Console.WriteLine("Usage: xpathquery source query <zero or more
prefix and namespace pairs>");
return;
}

try{

//Load the file.
XmlDocument doc = new XmlDocument();
doc.Load(args[0]);
//create prefix<->namespace mappings (if any)
XmlNamespaceManager nsMgr = new XmlNamespaceManager(doc.NameTable);
for(int i=2; i < args.Length; i+= 2)
nsMgr.AddNamespace(args[i], args[i + 1]);
//Query the document
XmlNodeList nodes = doc.SelectNodes(args[1], nsMgr);
//print output
foreach(XmlNode node in nodes)
Console.WriteLine(node.OuterXml + "\n\n");
}catch(XmlException xmle){
Console.WriteLine("ERROR: XML Parse error occured because " +
PrintError(xmle, null));
}catch(FileNotFoundException fnfe){
Console.WriteLine("ERROR: " + PrintError(fnfe, null));
}catch(XPathException xpath){
Console.WriteLine("ERROR: The following error occured while querying
the document: "
+ PrintError(xpath, null));
}catch(Exception e){
Console.WriteLine("UNEXPECTED ERROR" + PrintError(e, null));
}
}
}

Given the following XML document that does not declare any namespaces, queries are fairly straightforward as seen in the examples following the code.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<bookstore>
<book genre="autobiography">
<title>The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin</title>
<author>
<first-name>Benjamin</first-name>
<last-name>Franklin</last-name>
</author>
<price>8.99</price>
</book>
<book genre="novel">
<title>The Confidence Man</title>
<author>
<first-name>Herman</first-name>
<last-name>Melville</last-name>
</author>
<price>11.99</price>
</book>
</bookstore>

Example 1

1. xpathquery.exe bookstore.xml /bookstore/book/title

   Selects all the title elements that are children of the book element whose parent is the bookstore element, which returns:
   <title>The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin</title>
   <title>The Confidence Man</title>

2. xpathquery.exe bookstore.xml //@genre

   Select all the genre attributes in the document and returns:
   genre="autobiography"
   genre="novel"

3. xpathquery.exe bookstore.xml //title[(../author/first-name = 'Herman')]

   Selects all the titles where the author's first name is "Herman" and returns:
   <title>The Confidence Man</title>
   

   However, once namespaces are added to the mix, things are no longer as simple. The file below is identical to the original file except for the addition of namespaces and one attribute to one of the book elements.

   <bookstore xmlns="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">
   <book genre="autobiography">
   <title>The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin</title>
   <author>
   <first-name>Benjamin</first-name>
   <last-name>Franklin</last-name>
   </author>
   <price>8.99</price>
   </book>
   <bk:book genre="novel" bk:genre="fiction"
   xmlns:bk="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">
   <bk:title>The Confidence Man</bk:title>
   <bk:author>
   <bk:first-name>Herman</bk:first-name>
   <bk:last-name>Melville</bk:last-name>
   </bk:author>
   <bk:price>11.99</bk:price>
   </bk:book>
   </bookstore>
   

   Note that the default namespace is in scope for the whole XML document, while the namespace declaration that maps the prefix bk to the namespace name urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore is in scope for the second book element only.

Example 2

1. xpathquery.exe bookstore.xml /bookstore/book/title
   

   Selects all the title elements that are children of the book element whose parent is the bookstore element, which returns NO RESULTS.

2. xpathquery.exe bookstore.xml //@genre

   Selects all the genre attributes in the document and returns:
   genre="autobiography"
   genre="novel"
   

3. xpathquery.exe bookstore.xml //title[(../author/first-name = 'Herman')]

   Selects all the titles where the author's first name is "Herman," which returns NO RESULTS.

   The first query returns no results because unprefixed names in an XPath query apply to elements or attributes with no namespace. There are no bookstore, book, or title elements in the target document that have no namespace. The second query returns all attribute nodes that have no namespace. Although namespace declarations are in scope for both attribute nodes returned by the query, they have no namespace because namespace declarations do not apply to attributes with unprefixed names. The third query returns no results for the same reasons the first query returns no results.

   The way to perform namespace-aware XPath queries is to provide a prefix to namespace mapping to the XPath engine, then use those prefixes in the query. The prefixes provided do not need to be the same as the namespace to prefix mappings in the target document, and they must be non-empty prefixes.

Example 3

1. xpathquery.exe bookstore.xml /b:bookstore/b:book/b:title b urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore

   Select all the title elements that are children of the book element whose parent is the bookstore element and returns the following:
   <title xmlns="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin</title>
   <bk:title xmlns:bk="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">The Confidence Man</bk:title>

2. xpathquery.exe bookstore.xml //@b:genre b urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore

   Selects all the genre attributes from the "urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore" namespace in the document that returns:
   bk:genre="fiction"

3. xpathquery.exe bookstore.xml //bk:title[(../bk:author/bk:first-name = 'Herman')] bk urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore
   

   Selects all the titles where the author's first name is "Herman" and returns:
   <bk:title xmlns:bk="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">The Confidence Man</bk:title>
   

   Note This last example is the same as the previous examples but rewritten to be namespace aware.

For more information on using XPath, read Aaron Skonnard's article Addressing Infosets with XPath and view the examples at the ZVON.org XPath tutorial.

XSLT and Namespaces

The W3C XSL transformations (XSLT) recommendation describes an XML-based language for transforming XML documents into other XML documents. XSLT transformations, also known as XML style sheets, utilize patterns (XPath) to match aspects of the target document. Upon matching nodes in the target document, templates that specify the output of a successful match can be instantiated and used to transform the document.

Support for namespaces is tightly integrated into XSLT, especially since XPath is used for matching nodes in the source document. Using namespaces in your XPath expressions inside XSLT is much easier than using the DOM.

The example that follows contains:

• A program for use in executing transforms from the command line.
• An XSLT stylesheet that prints all the title elements from the urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore namespace in the source XML document when run against the bookstore document from the urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore namespace.
• The resulting output.

Program Imports System.Xml.Xsl
Imports System.Xml
Imports System
Imports System.IO
Class Transformer
Public Shared Function PrintError(e As Exception, errStr As String) As String

If e Is Nothing Then
Return errStr
Else
Return PrintError(e.InnerException, errStr + e.Message)
End If
End Function 'PrintError

'Entry point which delegates to C-style main Private Function
Public Overloads Shared Sub Main()
Run(System.Environment.GetCommandLineArgs())
End Sub 'Main


Overloads Public Shared Sub Run(args() As String)

If args.Length <> 2 Then
Console.WriteLine("Usage: xslt source stylesheet")
Return
End If

Try

'Create the XslTransform object.
Dim xslt As New XslTransform()

'Load the stylesheet.
xslt.Load(args(1))

'Transform the file.
Dim doc As New XmlDocument()
doc.Load(args(0))

xslt.Transform(doc, Nothing, Console.Out)

Catch xmle As XmlException
Console.WriteLine(("ERROR: XML Parse error occured because " +
PrintError(xmle, Nothing)))
Catch fnfe As FileNotFoundException
Console.WriteLine(("ERROR: " + PrintError(fnfe, Nothing)))
Catch xslte As XsltException
Console.WriteLine(("ERROR: The following error occured while
transforming the document: " + PrintError(xslte, Nothing)))
Catch e As Exception
Console.WriteLine(("UNEXPECTED ERROR" + PrintError(e, Nothing)))
End Try
End Sub
End Class 'Transformer
XSLT stylesheet <xsl:stylesheet version="1.0" xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform"
xmlns:b="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">
<xsl:template match="b:bookstore">
<book-titles>
<xsl:apply-templates select="b:book/b:title"/>
</book-titles>
</xsl:template>
<xsl:template match="b:title">
<xsl:copy-of select="." />
</xsl:template>
</xsl:stylesheet>

Output <?xml version="1.0" ?>
<book-titles xmlns:msxsl="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:xslt"
xmlns:ext="urn:my_extensions" xmlns:b="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">
<title xmlns="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">The Autobiography of
Benjamin Franklin</title>
<bk:title xmlns="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore"
xmlns:bk="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:bookstore">The Confidence
Man</bk:title>
</book-titles>

Note that the namespace declarations from the stylesheet end up on the root node of the output XML document. Also to note is the fact that the XSLT namespace is not included in the output XML document.

Generating XSLT stylesheets from the output of your XSLT transforms is slightly cumbersome because the processor has to be able to determine the output elements from the actual stylesheet directives. There are two ways I have found to deal with this issue, both of which I'll illustrate by showing stylesheets that generate the following XMLT stylesheet as output.

<xslt:stylesheet version="1.0"
xmlns:xslt="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform">
<xslt:output method="text"/>
<xslt:template match="/"><xslt:text>HELLO WORLD</xslt:text></xslt:template>
</xslt:stylesheet>

The first method involves creating a variable containing the stylesheet to be created, and then using value-of in combination with the disable-output-escaping attribute to create the stylesheet.

<xsl:stylesheet version="1.0" xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform">
<xsl:output method="xml" encoding="utf-8"/>
<xsl:variable name="stylesheet">
&lt;xslt:stylesheet version="1.0"
xmlns:xslt="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform"&gt;
&lt;xslt:output method="text"/&gt;
&lt;xslt:template match="/"&gt;&lt;xslt:text&gt;HELLO
WORLD&lt;/xslt:text&gt;&lt;/xslt:template&gt;
&lt;/xslt:stylesheet&gt;
</xsl:variable>
<xsl:template match="/">
<xsl:value-of select="$stylesheet" disable-output-escaping="yes" />
</xsl:template>
</xsl:stylesheet>

This first method works best if the stylesheet being created can be easily partitioned so that it can be placed in variables. While this technique is quick and easy, it also falls into the category of gross hack, which typically tend to become unmanageable when faced with any situation requiring flexibility. For instance, when creation of the new stylesheet involves lots of dynamic creation of text and is intertwined with the stylesheet directives, the following method is preferable to the aforementioned gross hack.

<xslt:stylesheet version="1.0" xmlns:xslt="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform"
xmlns:alias="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform-alias">
<xslt:output method="xml" encoding="utf-8"/>
<xslt:namespace-alias stylesheet-prefix="alias" result-prefix="xslt"/>
<xslt:template match="/">
<alias:stylesheet version="1.0">
<alias:output method="text"/>
<alias:template match="/"><alias:text>HELLO
WORLD</alias:text></alias:template>
</alias:stylesheet>
</xslt:template>
</xslt:stylesheet>

The above document uses the namespace-alias directive to substitute the alias prefix and namespace name it is bound to with the xslt prefix and the namespace name to which it is bound.

Namespaces are also used to specify mechanisms for the extension of XSLT. Namespace prefixed functions can be created that are executed in the same manner as XSLT functions. Similarly, elements from certain namespaces can be treated as extensions to XSLT and executed as if they were transformation directives like template, copy, value-of, and so on. Below is an example of a Hello World program that uses namespace-based extension functions to print the signature greeting.

<stylesheet version="1.0"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform"
xmlns:msxsl="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:xslt"
xmlns:newfunc="urn:my-newfunc">
<output method="text"/>
<template match="/">
<value-of select="newfunc:SayHello()" />
</template>
<msxsl:script language="JavaScript" implements-prefix="newfunc">
function SayHello() {
return "Hello World";
}
</msxsl:script>
</stylesheet>
XML Namespace Caveats

Namespaces in XML, like any useful tool, can be used improperly and have various subtleties that may cause problems if users are unaware of them. This section focuses on areas where users of XML namespaces typically have problems or face misconceptions.

Versioning and Namespaces

There are two primary mechanisms used in practice to create different versions of an XML instance document. One method is to use a version attribute on the root element as is done in XSLT, while the other method is to use the namespace name of the elements as the versioning mechanism. Versioning based on namespaces is currently very popular, especially with the W3C, who have used this mechanism for various XML technologies including SOAP, XHTML, XML Schema, and RDF. The namespace URI for documents that are versioned using the namespace is typically in the following format:

http://my.domain.example.org/product/[year/month][/area]

The primary problem with versioning XML documents by altering the namespace name in subsequent versions is that it means XML namespace-aware applications that process the documents will no longer work with the documents, and will have to be upgraded. This is primarily beneficial with document formats whose versions change infrequently, but upon changing alter the semantics of elements and attributes, thus requiring that all processors no longer work with the newer versions for fear of misinterpreting them.

On the other hand, there are a number of scenarios where an XML document versioning mechanism based on a version attribute on the root element is sufficient. A version attribute is primarily beneficial when changes in the document's structure are backwards compatible. The following situations are all areas where using a version attribute is a wise choice:

• Semantics of elements and attributes will not be altered.
• Changes to the document involves the addition of elements and attributes, but rarely removal.
• Interoperability between applications with various versions of the processing software is necessary.

Both versioning techniques are not mutually exclusive and can be used simultaneously. For instance, XSLT uses both a version attribute on the root element, as well as a versioned namespace URI. The version attribute is used for incremental, backwards-compatible changes to the XML document's format, while altering the namespace name is done for significant changes in the semantics of the document.

Document Types

The term document type is misleading as discussed in several philosophical debates on various XML related mailing lists . In many cases, the namespace name of the root element can be used to determine how to process the document, however, this is hardly a general rule and stating it as such violates the spirit of XML namespaces as they were designed exactly so that developers could mix and match XML vocabularies.

A succinct post that captures the essence of why thinking that root element namespace URI are equivalent to a notion of document type is this post by Rick Jelliffe on XML-DEV. The essence of the post is that there are many different types that an XML document could have, including its document type as specified by its Document Type Definition (DTD), its MIME media type, its schema definition as specified by the xsi:schemaLocation attribute, its file extension, as well as the namespace name of its root element. Thus it is quite likely that in many cases a document will have many different types depending on what perspective one decides to take when examining the document.

Two examples of XML documents in which actual document types can be misconstrued by simply looking at the namespace URI of the root element are RDDL documents (sample, notice that its root element is from the XHTML namespace) and annotated mapping schemas, which have their root element is from the W3C XML Schema namespace.

In a nutshell, the type of a document cannot conclusively be determined by looking at the namespace URI of its root element. Thinking otherwise is folly.

Namespaces Future

There are a number of developments in the XML world focused on tackling some of the issues that have developed around XML namespaces. Firstly, the current draft of the W3C XML namespaces recommendation does not provide a mechanism for undeclaring namespaces that have been mapped to a prefix. The W3C XML namespaces v1.1 working draft is intended to rectify this oversight by providing a mechanism for undeclaring prefix namespace mappings in an instance document.

The debate on what should be returned on an attempt to dereference the contents of a namespace URI has lead to contentious debate in the XML world and is currently the focus of deliberations by the W3C's Technical Architecture Group. The current version of the XML namespaces recommendation does not require the namespace URI to actually be resolvable because a namespace URI is supposed to merely be a namespace name that is used as a unique identifier, and not the location of a resource on the Internet.

Tim Bray (one of the original editors of both the XML Language and XML namespaces recommendations) has written an exhaustive treatise on the issues around namespace URIs and the namespace documents that may or may not be retrieved from them. This document contains much of the reasoning that was behind his creation of the Resource Directory Description Language (RDDL), which is designed to be used for creating namespace documents.

Comments

Yeesh talk about buzzwords

[smaug195]

10 just in the front page blurb! :)

Re:Yeesh talk about buzzwords

[Anonymous Coward]

thank you for the contribution to the discussion. your valuable insight has been noted.

Helpful!

[Jonboy X]

Finally, a clear, consise tutorial on XML namespaces. Just goes to show what a simple, easily understood, efficient and applicable technology XML is...

By Heavy you mean long?

[stoolpigeon]

What is this?

It's not knew, it's somewhat informative. It's very, very basic.

So what is the point?

If this is some kind of new thing then cool. I'm looking forward to the VB tutorial on ADO.

.

Re:By Heavy you mean long?

[Target Drone]

If this is some kind of new thing then cool. I'm looking forward to the VB tutorial on ADO.

I hope not. This is supposed to be "Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters" not "Slashdot: Tutorials for nerds, learning that matters".

It's an excellent tutorial. I just think it belongs on a new slash site.

Duh

[TheOldFart]

Blah, blah, blah... nice and dandy. Until Microsoft comes along and decides to "fix it".

Couldn't this be linked instead of transcribing the whole shebang here?

Re:Duh

[Anonymous Coward]

Tee hee. That seems unlikely. The author of the article works for Micrsoft. :-)
See here

Re:Duh

[Anonymous Coward]

Microsoft are actually one of the biggest users of XML across their platofrms and products, crack open a playlist from a Windows 98 CD player and you'll see that it's in an XML-based format. Have a look at the ad-rotator config files in ASP, they're XML-based too, from circa. 1998. Pretty impressive really.

But ironically, their Mediaplayer database is in some weird format that I want to access, but can't, so they still get negative points from me.

Re:Duh

[Anonymous Coward]

You must have missed the C# code up there and the link to msdn.microsoft.com. This _is_ the MS fix - I think slashdot must be going soft :)

Re:Duh

[withak53]

Microsoft helped invent it.
They're part of the W3C.

Re:Duh

[TheOldFart]

Troll? Redundant maybe... but troll? Me thinks more and more people modding these are M$ employees... good grief.

can't read it

[tps12]

My proxy server filtered this entire story out due to pornographical content.

Re:can't read it

[Diskore]

It probably thought all the X's in the acronyms made it X-rated

Wow!

[dbretton]

If slashdot posted more stuff like this, I would almost be persuaded to subscribe

.almost.

Re:Wow!

[moonbender]

Yep, we need more of this. Some small tutorials, and lots of additions and enhancements to them in their discussion. Maybe someone would be willing to rewrite the tutorial after a week with all the +4 replies in mind. Sounds pretty sweet, I think.

Re:Wow!

[Winged Cat]

Why, yes! And we could call it, oh, say, Technical Documentation Already Available On The Web (TDAAOTW for short). We could shamelessly copy-and-paste from the W3C's articles on XML (nevermind that they'd update their information as they found holes, and might not tell us to update our copy), whatever tutorials we could find by googling on the right words...

Slashdot has a function. Setting up the infrastructure to do tutorials et al properly would distract from its function, and likely not increase the budgeted resources it has to serve its existing function. (If it paid for itself, that'd be a point in its favor, but I don't think it would.)

Re:Wow!

[damiam]

Sounds like you're proposing to turn /. into kuro5hin.

Re:Wow!

[moonbender]

As I highlighted, I think the infrastructure to do this properly is already there.

Re:Wow!

[mongoks]

Whoever modded this up let me know what you are smoking - I want some too.

Re:Wow!

[Anonymous Coward]

I could not disagree more... Why is slashdot posting the full text of a tutorial about a special topic? There must be a million tutorials on XML and XML namespaces out there. I thought slashdot was about news and discussion... This isn't news.

Re:Wow!

[Winged Cat]

On the Web at large, yes. I would have to disagree that Slashdot is properly set up to do this, though - but the difference may be that, to me, the necessary "infrastructure" is more of a human issue (for instance, people who know how to evaulate tutorials, and who have a mindset to actually edit the tutorials instead of focus on a news-with-user-comments site) than a technology issue.

Re:Wow!

[4of12]

I could get flamed for endorsing a commercial establishment - and, no, I don't work for them - but I've found some of the tutorial articles that IBM posts at their developerWorks website to be quite nice.

Re:Wow!

[AeiwiMaster]

I suggest something like this to LDP a while back.

A system like this would do wonders for
the linux documentaion.

Knud

Re:Wow!

[Anonymous Coward]

*cough*kuro5hin*cough*

Re:Wow...

[josh crawley]

Nawwww.... If THIS was on K5, It'd be modded down, just not as fast as that whiny "Why do you all Hate Jesus on K5" a few weeks ago. One of the editors bitch-slapped his article. The idiot put in the queue.

Whatever happened to Hyperlinking

[Diabolical]

Jees... one of the longest pieces of text i read on slashdot.. Someone forgot the web could be used to hyperlink to such information and let it be viewable for a larger public..

Okay.. there is no larger public as the /. crowd.. i know...

Re:Whatever happened to Hyperlinking

[rickms]

I've lost track.. is hyperlinking still legal?

Re:Whatever happened to Hyperlinking

[jsonic]

let it be viewable for a larger public..

If you link then you have to worry about being slashdotted, thus making it less viewable. You could, however, link to a google cache version if it has been spidered recently.

Re:Whatever happened to Hyperlinking

[Anonymous Coward]

There's this really great invention called a "scrollbar".

Perhaps you should look into it instead of complaining.

Re:Whatever happened to Hyperlinking

[Lennie]

where in Lynx did you find a scrollbar ? ;)

ok, bad joke.

Re:Whatever happened to Hyperlinking

[_xeno_]

From the column:

What follows is a shortened version of my first Extreme XML column.

Notice the underlined word above? Or perhaps it is merely blue text on the console. Whatever the case, it is a link to the full version of his article, in all it's glory, on MSDN.

In other words, the full article is linked.

So your real question is why did Slashdot decide to reprint the shortened version? Maybe they were worried that if people realized this was an article put out by the Evil Empire® © 1985-2002, that their readers wouldn't read it...

(Also, anyone want to guess which is the larger audience, Slashdot or MSDN?)

Re:Whatever happened to Hyperlinking

[wpeterso]

Do you think that a link to a generally well-received tutorial living on the MS site would actually be posted on /. ?

It would cause a tremor in the force.

Great in theory

[Geeyzus]

One point he makes towards the bottom is the controversy behind actually de-referencing the namespace URIs. Right now as far as I can tell, namespaces do you no good by themselves. You still have to embed any outside XML into your application or write code to dereference the URI anyhow.

Once de-referencing URIs is built into parsers I think namespaces (and XML in general) will be much more useful.

Mark

Re:Great in theory

[Anonymous Coward]

How on earth was this modded as Informative, when it's wrong?

You "have to" dereference the URI "anyhow"? Why? It's just a globally unique identifier that doesn't point at anything.

Re:Great in theory

[ajm]

Namespace URIs are just globally unique identifiers. Though they look like URLs they don't point to any "physical" file. There is no need to dereference a namespace URI. It's a common mistake to think that there is.

Re:Great in theory

[VP]

Exactly - this is a very common mistake. What people also don't realize is that namespaces work very well with XML Schema, and allow for easy ways to compose "modular" XML instances, where the different parts are decribed in different schema. Such use also allows for customizations and overriding of the different "modules" similar to how OO programs can manipulate objects.

I wonder how long it will take...

[Anonymous Coward]

I wonder how long it will take before Java fans and anti-.NET crusaders realize that VB.NET and C#.NET are used in the above examples?

Re:I wonder how long it will take...

[Lord MJ]

So what?

Both Java and .NET are focusing around XML use, though .NET seems to be promoting thier XML utilities more than the J2EE folk.

Namespaces, just a rehash of SGML

[azaroth42]

XML namespaces are touted as a wonderful new invention. Unfortunately they're just a non backwards compatible copy of what SGML could already do with the CONCUR declaration.

SGML already had: <(p.anthology)page> long before XML was even dreamed of.

*yawn*

--Azaroth

Re:Namespaces, just a rehash of SGML

[Leus]

Namespaces, just a rehash of SGML? I think is enough to say "XML, a derivative of SGML".

Yawn.

Re:Namespaces, just a rehash of SGML

[Anonymous Coward]

Um... no, XML is a subset of SGML and always has been. IT is derived from it and meant to be easier to use, not to be backwards compatible or in any way a successor to SGML.

In the same way that XML is a subset of SGML, HTML is an application of it. You don't see people mumbling about that being non-backwards compatible do you?

If you still want to use SGML, do so, but otherwise, XML is here to make your lives a little simpler, assuming that not everyone needs the full power of SGML at their disposal. Have you actually ever read anything about/used XML, or just shunned it because you currently use SGML?

Re:Namespaces, just a rehash of SGML

[Anonymous Coward]

He probably doesn't even use either. Look at the l33t nick and the "*yawn*". He probably begins posts with "Bah" sometimes too. It's safe to disregard his opinion entirely.

Re:Namespaces, just a rehash of SGML

[azaroth42]

Not that anyone will read this, but yes I use XML and SGML every day. How else do you think I could bring this up at all?

HTML is an application of SGML and hence is a subset of SGML, following all of its rules. XML is derived from SGML, and is a subset thereof in most respects apart from namespaces. There are 10 main differences, which I won't repeat, but all are restrictions on the more flexible SGML spec. Namespaces are the one difference that break the SGML spec. XML namespaces are an example of the 'Not Created Here' syndrome that destroys standards in all walks of IT life.

Do your homework.

-- Azaroth

Very good

[SkyLeach]

Some good stuff in here. A good read for anyone using serious XML.

I kindof see the point of it being a bit longish for the /. front page.

How 'bout a link to a more permanant article source/website?

Re:Very good

[ethereal]

You mean like the one on MSDN that he linked to?

On K5?

[Anonymous Coward]

Nah....

Informative article...

[f00zbll]

I hope people will look past the C# code in the write up and look at the useful information. Now if some one would post a good article detailing the ins and outs of XSL and XPath, that would be good. If I wasn't lazy, I'd write one. But I'm way too lazy and have real work to do.

XM Hell

[oliverthered]

Namespaces and all that are nice, but surly they should make XSL more functional first.
If the initial idea of XML/XSL was to make data protable and transformable they should have been designed with more functionality to do this.

1 good example is Binary operations, all kinds of data is store like this especially in legacy or the mainframe systems i've been working with ,but XSL provides no weasy way of formatting this data into somthing usefull.

You can script a # to binary function but you have to use nasty itterative functions instead of loops

e.g. in sudo stuff

myfunction(somthingusefull,counter,limit){
if(counter limit){
bytepos = bytepos *2;
counter = counter +1;
dosomthingwith(somthingusefull);
myfunction(bytepos ,counter );
}
}

Well i'm sure you get my drift so I'll leave it there for now.

Re:XM Hell

[JimDabell]

1 good example is Binary operations, all kinds of data is store like this especially in legacy or the mainframe systems i've been working with ,but XSL provides no weasy way of formatting this data into somthing usefull./p>

XSL is a tool to transform XML documents. Of course it doesn't touch binary formats, that's outside it's scope.

Re:XM Hell

[JuliaNZ]

XM Hell?

surly they should make XSL more functional first?

protable and transformable?

no weasy way?

itterative functions?

somthingusefull?

Well i'm sure you get my drift so I'll leave it there for now.


I haven't got the faintest idea what your drift might be, sorry...

nail .. on .. the .. head

[sydlexic]

XML was intended to be a simple and actually useful subset of SGML. and it was in the beginning. then we got namespaces and the long slide into overdesigned bloated academic hell began. the same thing has happened to everything XML touches. look at web services (shudders). or maybe it's just the W3C. all nice in theory but it's turned into a three-ringed circus for people with way too much time on their hands and brains too big to grasp the pragmatic, useful, elegant or simple aspects of technology implementations.

Re:nail .. on .. the .. head

[Anonymous Coward]

I figured he was being sarcastic...

Re:nail .. on .. the .. head

[oogoody]

Agreed. It's way complex for not much gain.
All the namespace crap makes it impossible
to read or write. And what good is it really?

Re:nail .. on .. the .. head

[Anonymous Coward]

Then don't use it. Stick with your csv's and have a nice day.

Re:nail .. on .. the .. head

[big_hairy_mama]

And what good is it really?

Can you imagine if, say, every email address in the world belonged to the same domain? Can you imagine if every Java class in the world belonged to the same package, or if every Perl method belonged to the same module? Now imagine if every XML element in the world had to come from the same (null) namespace. When you consider the millions of people that use XML, you *will* get conflicts.

XML Namespaces is just a way to add a unique identifier to elements that happen to have the same name. <title> can mean a thousand different things, depending on whether it refers to a book, a web page, ownership of your car, or the title of "Vice President". Now if you ever want to describe both the fact that you are a Vice President and that you own a car in the same XML document, you damned well better have a way of differentiating between the two "title"s.

Is it really that hard to use anyway? All you have to do is stick an extra little xmlns="..." at the top of your document -- you don't even have to use potentially-ugly prefixes -- and it's not any worse than typeing <!DOCTYPE foo SYSTEM "..."> at the top of the page. And if you really really don't want to play in the global game and you know that none of your elements will ever cross boundries with another document type, then you can just ignore namespaces all together.

It's complex, but I'll contend that it has the most "gain" of any XML recomendation to date.

Re:nail .. on .. the .. head

[alext]

Yes, XML is overcomplicated and underpowered, but don't blame academia.

I'd argue that it's the unscientific nature of XML standards development, in particular the remarkable failure to learn from prior art such as LISP and database theory, that is responsible for this current mess.

I've never worked in an academic institution, but I know that I'd be scouring the research papers for ideas if I was responsible for an XML-related activity. Academics are quite good at synthesising ideas because they have time to look around. Pragmatics like us will just grab the first thing that works because normally it doesn't matter that much, and only in the worst case will some model be stretched completely beyond its appropriate domain. Unfortunately, this is just what's happened with XML.

Re:nail .. on .. the .. head

[ralphbecket]

Au contraire. If the originators had bothered to talk to any half-decent academics, you wouldn't have this mess.

For Heaven's sake, XML is pretty much just an extraordinarily verbose way of describing tree structures. There are issues of naming, cross referencing, quotation, and grammatical correctness - none of which are hard problems (although the prevalent hack-it-and-ship-it mentality consistently screws up; we should teach more basic theory and less Java/C++/object-babble at universities...)

Re:nail .. on .. the .. head

[flumps]

here here!

I find namespaces an invaluable, insightful and exciting contribution to the xml language and its subsets.

m@

Re:nail .. on .. the .. head

[SEWilco]

<price>5</price>

"It's in U.S. Dollars!"
"No, it's Francs!"
"Yen!"
"It's Reals!"
"It's Cruzados!"
"It's Cruzeiros!"

Global namespace indeed.

Re:nail .. on .. the .. head

[big_hairy_mama]

Are you a fool? "Global" has nothing to do with locale or geographical location. Try this:

<price currency="USD">5</price>

If you ever read any of the specifications, you would see that locale or currency issues are not even close to being handled by any part of XML. Currency is an application issue.

This is horrible!

[Anonymous Coward]

My God! This is an excerpt from M$DN! This is the worst story ever! Slashdot, you have really sold out!

Oh, wait. Here is some sample XML.

<bk:book>
<bk:title>Lord of the Rings</bk:title>
<bk:author>J.R.R. Tolkien</bk:author>
<inv:inventory status="in-stock" isbn="0345340426"
xmlns:inv="urn:xmlns:25hoursaday-com:inventory-tra cking" />
</bk:book>

Lord Of The Rings? That's better. All is well.

Woah!!

[zsmooth]

An intelligent, well-written technical article?? Here?? I thought I was at K5 for a minute!

Re:Woah!!

[Dalroth]

heh, this is exactly what SlashDot needs! Back in the day SlashDot used to have a ton of programmer oriented content like this, which is why I started reading SlashDot in the first place. Then, one day patents, Micro$oft abuse, privacy, and Jon Katz took over and SlashDot has not been the same since.

SlashDot still has a lot of good content (especially if you block Katz), but face it, we're GNU/Linux geeks. We're programmers and sysadmins at heart! We need more real *TECH* content like this!

Bryan

uh, wasn't xml supposed to be...

[Anonymous Coward]

...this nice little, uncomplicated language? xml parsers were supposed to be so simple to write that any junio compsci student could write one. But that's before xpath, etc, jumped on the bandwagon. I agree xml is great. It beats the shit out of reading flat files from some EBCDIC-dumpy-ass os390 mainframe. Christ, even Natural has an xml parser.

Re:uh, wasn't xml supposed to be...

[raftos]

...this nice little, uncomplicated language?

It still is (well, a nice, little, uncomplicated meta-language). Namespaces, XPATH, XSL, etc etc etc are not compulsory. But it's convenient to be able to mix-n-match other pre-written XML-based languages or transform one XML document into another (like DocBook-XML to RSS to XHTML).

Re:uh, wasn't xml supposed to be...

[DGolden]

Yes, but that language already existed (Lisp), so the w3c felt they had to invent a baroque monstrosity instead.

What's next for XML?

[Bouncings]

XML is a becoming a very powerful, indeed, magical language. Perhaps one day before long, it'll have forloops and a query language (oops, xpath, already exists). Why before long, we might just have a reference counting garbage collector for those XML namespaces. Then maybe a cyclicle garbage collector.
</wheelrant>

Re:What's next for XML?

[Keighvin]

Shouldn't that <wheelrant> have a namespace declaration?

XSLT is very procedural in nature, but While and For loops are still possible to implement if you know your logic well enough: I once wrote a sqrt function in XSLT.

Re:What's next for XML?

[Brummund]

XEXPR - A Scripting Language for XML

Read and weep.

Re:What's next for XML?

[Hellkitten]

and a query language

XML Query for when qpath isn't enough

Re:What's next for XML?

[Bouncings]

Dammit Dammit Dammit. BUT .. can it do what MivaScript does? God, I hope not.

Re:Wow...

[Anonymous Coward]

No. But like your site, K5 even sucks more than Slashdot.

ummm.....

[Anonymous Coward]

okay, im at a loss for words.

Re:ummm.....

[Anonymous Coward]

then shut the fuck up

K5

[Anonymous Coward]

He is from K5. He posted the link to MSDN article yesterday in the diary section. So it is really a Microsoft article. And a good one at that.

Re:So close, yet so far:

[stoolpigeon]

you idiots crack me up.

nothing better to do then sit around and nitpick over obvious typos. That has nothing to do w/my remarks on the subject.

As posted below - it's a nice tutorial - if you are new to xml, xslt etc.

Anyways- sticking to my original point you are a coward as clearly stated in your post. I prefer the term pussy. And a small, small person.

feel free to help me out w/any grammar or spelling issues above as we all know that could be the very most important thing in the world.

.

Now you slashdot addicts can learn!

[Leeji]

This is the first time I've seen an article on /., as opposed to comments on one written somewhere else.

It's against Slashdot's norm -- a news site -- but I think it makes for a great idea. It lets me read a single source for both tech news and a little bleeding-edge knowledge. Although I dislike the karma whore article posting phenomenon, I love reading those articles inline.

Truth be told, this also helps flesh out a university education. Although I learned a lot in my specialist degree, I became a well-rounded and knowledgable geek only through outside interests: clicking on Slashdot links, messing with Linux, etc. Until now, I didn't think about "XML Namespaces and how they affect XPath and XSLT," but now I can discuss it with a clue.

Keep it up guys -- this improves the value of Slashdot immensely. At the very least, give this concept a section of its own (articles.slashdot.org?) with links from the main page.

P.S: Why not post some articles on argument fallacies and how to answer lame questions yourself.

Re:Now you slashdot addicts can learn!

[Anonymous Coward]

I want more articles like this on slashdot ...

Another great article that marries well with this

[Real World Stuff]

Just as interesting and informative and with just a link to the information (sorry no copy-paste karma net). Here Paul Cornell shows you how to create COM add-ins for Microsoft Office using Visual Basic .NET.

From the Article:"Before COM add-ins were invented, you could only create Office application-specific add-ins (except Microsoft Outlook® and Microsoft FrontPage®). These application-specific add-ins have file extensions such as .mda, .pwz, .wll, and .xla; some examples of Office application-specific add-ins are the Analysis ToolPak and the Solver Add-In for Microsoft Excel. Starting with Microsoft Office 2000, COM add-ins allow you to create add-ins that span multiple Office applications. This allows you to write code that is common across many applications, yet at the same time allows you to write code specific to each application that hosts the COM add-in."

Re:Wow...

[BitwizeGHC]

Hey, I'd take a "how-to" on the front page of /. over more of Katz's re-heated takes on "geek culture" any day of the week.

Basic? Probably. Pointless? Definitely Not.

[Carnage4Life]

What is this?

It's not knew, it's somewhat informative. It's very, very basic.

So what is the point?

I may be biased being the author of the article but don't think the article is pointless. As you point out XML namespaces are a basic aspect of XML yet their ramifications are not understood by many users of XML especially when it comes to interactions with other XML related technologies. My motivation for writing the article was because I kept seeing people (including supposed experts) show a fundamental lack of understanding of how XML namespaces work especially default namespaces and how the different XML data models interact and cohabit. For example the differences between the XML infoset, XPath data model and DOM are little known by many users of XML and in fact many people do not know about all 3.

Secondly, the section on namespace caveats highlight errors in thinking I've seen many experienced users of XML not just novices.

However, many people who implement XML technologies and W3C members thought that the article was worthwhile. Now it may be that you are an experienced user of XML and this article is a waste of your time and if so I apologize for the time you lost reading the article.

Thanks for your comments.

Re:Basic? Probably. Pointless? Definitely Not.

[abigor]

How come BizTalk 1.0 failed to implement XML namespaces?

Re:Basic? Probably. Pointless? Definitely Not.

[stoolpigeon]

Believe me, my wondering is not about the article itself but rather how they chose to showcase it.

When I ask what's the point it is a rather vague question - to clarify I am wondering why this is on the front page of slash dot and posted in its entirety. This seems to be somewhat unusual. I don't see a lot of tutorials posted here.

I'm definitely not an XML expert but I have a good grasp of what is in your article from what little XSLT work I've done. That's what made me very curious.

I can imagine what it would be like if something on the same level were posted in regards to PERL or C.

Well - I am sure my opinion is not what will make or break your day and I appreciate that you even responded to my little /. rant.

.

Re:Basic? Probably. Pointless? Definitely Not.

[Anonymous Coward]

You can't 'fail' to implement them. There's an infered namespace for a biztalk file.

Re:Basic? Probably. Pointless? Definitely Not.

[Anonymous Coward]

Stellar article man. Simple, clear, explains the real concepts involved. I'd have had to wade through some overwritten XML book otherwise.

Cheers.

Re:Basic? Probably. Pointless? Definitely Not.

[abigor]

If BizTalk ignores my custom namespaces, then it's not implemented. I was told, to my face, by someone at Microsoft that full namespace support was coming "in a later version", along with SOAP support (the headers are simply stripped off in 1.0).

Novel XSLT transforms

[tezza]

I know the bison and yacc people have been struggling coming up with an L1 grammar for this for years, but maybe XSLT has the answer.

Can it transform Visual Basic code into something taken seriously?

Re:Novel XSLT transforms

[ethereal]

Can it transform Visual Basic code into something taken seriously?

No, but if you wrote XML first and then used that to generate Visual Basic, then you could at least slap on a different code generator and spit out your business logic in Perl or Java the next time around :)

Filters...

[psxndc]

Jees... one of the longest pieces of text i read on slashdot..

So you turned on the "filter Jon Katz stories" too, huh? :-)

psxndc

Good article

[Pinball Wizard]

I don't have much to add, but this article is yet another programming example using a bookstore.

What is it about bookstores that make them ideal for explaining how a programming language, database or markup language work? I must have seen 100 different books and online articles that describe what they are trying to teach with a bookstore as the example.

Not that I'm complaining(being that I program for a bookstore). Its just that there seems to be a disproportionate number of bookstore programming examples compared to other types of businesses. Personally, I'd like to see more manufacturing plants(hospitals, casinos, stock markets, etc).

Re:Good article

[Anonymous Coward]

Because the SQL Server sample database "pubs" relates to a bookstore, all MS examples use it.

Re:Good article

[ctrimble]

Bookstores are complicated enough to be interesting but easy enough not to cloud the issue with domain specific details. Everybody knows about books, not everybody knows about hospitals, casinos, stock markets, etc. (in a domain specific way).

For example, a book has attributes like ISBN, Title, and pages that are 1:1. It has relationships with things like publishers that are N:1 (a book has one publisher, but a publisher has many books). And it has a relationship with authors that are M:N (a book can have many authors, and an author can write many books). Just this level of detail makes it an interesting example of how to create a book database that's in 3rd normal form.

One table for book and it's main attributes like ISBN, Title, and pages. This table also has a foreign key to the publisher table. The publisher table has a primary key (pub_id) as well as name and any other main attributes you want to include (address for returns?). The author table has an author_id and the author's name. Finally, there's a book_author table that links books to authors in the required M:N way.

If you're writing an application to manage book inventory you're presented with problems like 1) how do you add books without insertion anomalies (for instance, "Catcher in the Rye" is added with author = "Salinger, J. D." and "Raise High the Roofbeam, Carpenter" is added with author = "Salinger, JD") 2) how do you prevent deletion anomalies (if you delete all books by author Foobar McTavish, do you delete the author record?) These problems raise real issues that developers need to be aware of but doesn't cloud the issue with unnecessary detail.

On the other hand, imagine the domain of an insurance company. Well, there are policies, and policies have lines of business, and lines of business have coverages. Each coverage has a rate schedule, but, of course, the schedule varies by state. And rates also have to take schedule modifications into account, as well as the experience modifications and the loss history of the insured. But, that also depends on the dollar amount of the coverage. And the policy might actually be covered by a reinsurer, rather than the primary insurer, each of whom has underwriters who manage the coverage schedule. Ouch!

As a former insurance company employee who was responsible for designing a data model for the business (and as a former bookstore employee), I wish I had stuck with the latter!

Re:Good article

[DavyByrne]

What is it about bookstores that make them ideal for explaining how a programming language, database or markup language work?

Well, as someone who writes computer-science textbooks and professional developer books for a living (including several with multi-tier bookstores as examples) I can honestly say that there's a very simple reason: advertising. By inserting bookstore applications into every book, and by populating the application databases with the appropriate information, we can advertise all the other books we write.

what up

[Anonymous Coward]

bling bling

Re:early post from a 68040

[Anonymous Coward]

Admit it.

You're old and slow.

You're just the last person here to realize this.

This is good! - was Re:By Heavy you mean long?

[Jack William Bell]

Don't assume everyone knows as much as you do and
critisize on that basis!

I found it re-iterated a lot of points that I learned a year ago myself. But that doesn't mean everyone would agree. XML is still pretty new to a lot of people and anyone who reads this not knowing about XML and namespaces is going to gain a lot.

The only crtisism I have of the article is that it doesn't include enough pointers to bibliography and 'learn more here' sources like specific pages on w3c.org or other tutorials on the net. Someone who starts to understand this stuff from the article will want to have a list of resources to continue learning...

Jack William Bell

Re:This is good! - was Re:By Heavy you mean long?

[stoolpigeon]

I'm not.

The moderator says that there is heavy reading ahead.

I go look at it and there is nothing heavy there. But it is as long as all get out. So I make a humorous (to me anyway) remark.

Honestly tell me there is something deep or difficult to comprehend here. Yes it is informative but there is nothing that is difficult to grasp. It just lays out the rules of the road.

Here is the irony. I post the comment and figure it will go unnoticed (w/out my bonus to keep it lower). But it doesn't. Real quick it gets modded up to +5. No good to me I'm at the cap. But then sure enough - an hour or so down the road I start getting modded down - flamebait, troll, overrated, etc. So I lose points even though the mods are equivalent because I was at the cap. No big deal but kind of interesting.

What's funny too is how at first my post was informative and interesting and then later it's suddenly a troll, and I wonder if it is the editors who feel that way not the readers.

Once again - no big deal. But I'm not kidding. If we're going to start seeing extended tutorials on basic topics - I've got a few I would like to see.

Ruby stuff would be nice
Perl (don't know a thing about how to use it)
Python (just what is it - I've never touched it)

And don't tell me that beginner stuff on that would not be in the same boat as this tutorial. XML is not that new and you can't avoid tutorials, books, and web sites all about it.

I regret that I have but 50 karma points to give in defense of my opinion.

.

Default namespaces are evil!

[Jack William Bell]

I certainly agree with the author that people should avoid using default namespaces and then clearing the namespaces with an empty namespace declaration. But I would go further to say that you should avoid default namespaces altogether if you intend your XML to be human readable.

And, in my humber opinion, keeping it human readable is the main reason to use XML in the first place. As a purely data-transfer medium it is far to bulky and requires too much CPU at each end. Even HTML query strings are faster to parse and convert to binary equivalents.

For machine to machine transfer we really need a binary XML standard. My understanding is that W3C is working on such...

Jack William Bell

Re:Default namespaces are evil!

[C Joe V]

Time for a stupid question: If it is such a bad idea to undefine the default (or any?) namespace, why does XML allow it?

Perhaps the inability to undefine non-default namespaces (see the last section of the article) should be called a "wise decision" as opposed to an "oversight"?

Re:Default namespaces are evil!

[Jack William Bell]

Time for a stupid question: If it is such a bad idea to undefine the default (or any?) namespace, why does XML allow it? Perhaps the inability to undefine non-default namespaces (see the last section of the article) should be called a "wise decision" as opposed to an "oversight"?

I wouldn't call that a stupid question. It is one I have asked myself. So far as I can tell the answer is "Because some people thought it was a good idea and you don't have to use it."

True. You don't have to use GoTo either. Doesn't make GoTo less evil, even when you run into a situation where GoTo is the easiest option.

Jack William Bell

Re:Default namespaces are evil!

[axxackall]

XML is a format to share between different humans and different machines. People, speaking on the same language, prefer a natural lang like English. Otherwise they translated. Machines of the same platform can use same binary format, like ELF. Otherwise they use scripts. XML is a similar format of inter-lingua.

From the other point XML is not an inter-lingua by itself - it doesn't care about semantic. You need RDF, DAML, OIL, XML-ized Prolog and so on for it. XML is like ethernet in networks, if you will, it's on low level of system design.

One more point - binary format still requires format tagging. What's wrong with XML tags? Are they really big? I thing XML tags are same big for inter-lingua tagging as TCP packet headers. Should we cut or comprtess TCP packet headers?

i want to say thanks

[verrol]

i appreciate the time taken by the author to write an article to help others (even if the material is documented elsewhere). having different perspective on a given subject never hurt anyone. besides, he digested it and is now trying to make is simpler for some of us. hell, i know the basics of XML, XSL, and so on, but still find this namespace thing a little daunting.

And the point?

[SerpentMage]

The point is????

While the article is nice, it is referenced in the MSDN article! It is basically a rehash of that. So why not create a link or is Slashdot trying something new?

Reality check

[Jhan]

Suppose I have two systems. From system 1 I need to notify system 2 of personal data in the db that has been modified, so they can update their info.

First approach: select all persons that have been modified since last time. Write all their data to a file, one person per row, either using a fixed field width representation or a token seperated one. My C program that I wrote in 5 minutes creates the file, his Cobol program that he wrote in 1 hour reads the data, checks it and inserts it into his system.

Moron approach: Select all persons that have been modified since last time. Invent an XML schema to represent the data. Use 5 hours to write the DTD and the program the creates the XML data. Because we are feeling super-trendy, we send this by HTTP POST to (2) ala Soap.

To be cosher (2) now has to have a web server, CGI's that can handle Soap and store the parameters (in this case a file) on the file system, the ability to validate and parse the XML file, on a AS/400, no less.

Perhaps he has some helpful tools, perhaps he has to code a general XML parser himself, perhaps (more likely) he writes my name on the big list he has on the wall saying "People who *will* die".

He tries to get a XML system from the net in, say, Java, spends 5 days getting it to work, while coding the HTTP bits himself (which he does in only 40 hours. Yeah! What a coder!)

Unfortunately, his big-wigs have just been force-fed with XML propaganda, and have decided on their own, incompatible XML representation of the data... And he must write the XSL code and so forth.

(2) now moves my name, and those of his bosses, and some of the people at W3C from the "People who *will* die" list to the new "DIE DIE DIE DIEDIEDIE BLEED FUCKING PIGS!!!!!!!!!1!111!1!" list. And gets his AK-47 and goes out the door...

Net time/life cost:

Rational thinking: 1h5min
XML: 100+h plus 15 deaths and 150 wounded.

Re:Reality check

[mmacdona86]

In defense of XML, if (1) and (2) are separated organizationally or by a span of time, XML can come in handy. (2) parsing the fixed format or delimited file (1) generates with his 1-hour developed program can break for any number of reasons. If XML is used properly, the file generated by (1) will still be understandable by (2) even if (1)'s output or (2)'s expectations change, provided that there isn't a change to the semantics that would break everything. At least that's been my experience. It may seem overengineered after a week, but after a couple of years it may seem like a godsend.

Re:Reality check

[GringoGoiano]

I disagree -- XML is appropriate. If you are company A, and you want to transmit data to company B, then sure, XML may be overkill.

But if you're company A, and you want to send info to or exchange info with companies B1, B2, ..., B1000 in a standard application domain, each with a different computer infrastructure, then writing code to a standard set of XML specs, then everybody's job gets a lot easier. It's a lot harder to misunderstand an XML spec than it is to misunderstand a complicated structure's binary representation.

Plus with XML-to-object-to-XML parsing/generation conventions, reading XML and accessing/manipulating the data is easy. Also, databases and surrounding IT tools have an easier time shuttling data back and forth.

For huge XML documents though, you gotta do more work, 'cause full in-memory XML-to-object isn't practical.

A secret

[b0z]

The author of this story actually works for Microsoft. I believe he just had his first article published in whatever the MSDN publication is as well.

I find it ironic that so many people here bash Microsoft when one of their employees has been one of the best contributors of original content to Slashdot. Of course, the moment Bill Gates gets a story posted here is the moment I delete /. from my bookmarks.

Re:A secret

[Anonymous Coward]

>I find it ironic that so many people here bash Microsoft when one of their employees has been one of the best contributors of original content to Slashdot.

Yoda says: A single man does the whole of a company make up.

Re:A secret

[DGolden]

Unfortunately, the subject matter of the article is XML, which is mainly an W3C and MS-hyped reimplementation of some 20-year-old+ Lisp concepts.

The article doesn't mention just how braindead XML actually is.

It's like a religion - if you start with the premise that XML is good, then it all fits together and the article is valuable to you, but just because the article is a good report on XML doesn't mean that XML itself is any good. This is a common mistake people make,. and this article furthers MS's goals of pushing the XML-religion. The author may himself by quite clever, but, just as many reasonably intelligent people fall for religions, he may be simply misguided.

Read the XML Namespaces FAQ

[Anonymous Coward]

Search on google, it is the definitive document on XML Namespaces.

MSFT languages?

[sohp]

Wow, a slashdot article with CeeSharp and VB as the example languages? Someone was asleep when they read that submission. Oh wait, the editors don't read past the first page before deciding to post or reject submissions.

How about an XML processing article using languages that slashdotters actually care about and write in -- Perl, PHP3, Java, C++, Python, etc.? We're not going to pop over to freshmeat and download the latest VB4Debian, you realize.

Re:MSFT languages?

[Anonymous Coward]

PHP3?

Okay slashdotters - everyone who cares about PHP3 raise your hands... I didn't so. Okay, PHP4? Ahhh, that's better...

Re:MSFT languages?

[verrol]

what makes you so sure that noone here uses vb? personally i have moved my entire computing experience at home to linux. but quite a few people here still use m$ at home and work. y alienate people?

Re:MSFT languages?

[Bodrius]

If the article is well-written and insightful, it could use COBOL for all I care.

What makes you think that slashdotters do not care to read a good programming article just because it uses examples in a language some of them do not use? What makes you think that when they do care, they categorically refuse to use M$ implemented languages?

I have seen more jihads on Slashdot between Java-C than between C++-VisualC++, and remarkably few rants against VB (which was a broken language even by microsofties judgement).

People don't put aside information because it comes packaged in a language used by a company they don't like that much. If you want Slashdot to reject a technical article because your ideological beliefs don't let you read a few lines of code... well sir, that would be idiotic. It's not like the code will virally infect you or anything.

But if it makes you feel better: there are many in Slashdot that are interested in Mono, which would provide ample justification for you to understand C# without working for the "dark side". The same would go for VB.NET, I think, which by the way, seems like a remarkably non-broken language compared with its predecessors.

Re:MSFT languages?

[Henry Stern]

Who cares what language his examples are in? I'm sure that most everyone who reads these articles can translate them to the API in whichever language they're going to write their program in.

Re:MSFT languages?

[smaug195]

I program in C# and java, and to be honest, they are practically the same code wise. If you can read Java you can read C# and vice versa.

Not quite

[Anonymous Coward]

Slashdot's servers don't die out every five minutes.

XML bad choice for this problem set

[Anonymous Coward]

Unfortunately, many people are getting excited about XML as a solution to data transfer, even though it's a bad choice for that problem. XML is intrinsically hierarchical, and hierarchies cannot represent any arbitrary data structure. There is no way to represent a graph as a tree; there is no way to represent a graph in XML. (Short of something like UUENCODING a binary representation of one, which defeats the whole point of XML.)

If we are to standardize on a data transfer and manipulation format, it should at least be able to represent arbitrary data.

Re:XML bad choice for this problem set

[GringoGoiano]

I think there is a standard (XPointer?) to let any XML entity reference self, a sibling, ancestor, descendant, or else none-of-the-above (arbitrary node). With this, you can represent any non-tree you want.

Re:XML bad choice for this problem set

[axxackall]

RDF is XML. RDF is a perfect format for graph presentation.

• Here are some links for further education:
• RGML (RDF Graph Modeling Language)
• (RDF) Model and Syntax Specification
• The DARPA Agent Markup Language

Re:XML bad choice for this problem set

[ilmarin]

People just seem to get excited about simple things these days. XML is a little more structured than a text file, which is often used for representing graphs. A representation doesn't have to *be* or *act as* something in order to represent the thing. A graph can be represented as a set of elements (A, B, C, D) and a set of edges (AD, DC, CA, CB) -- XML just lets you tag the elements and edges. As usual, you still have to process the representation into a structure suitable for traversal.

Hey now

[b0z]

I'm amused by submitting articles like that to K5. In fact, I am the one who submitted the "Why do you hate Jesus" article, as well as the one this morning that mentioned punching Rusty in the face.

Of course, K5 would have voted this story up, and has voted this author's stories up before. In fact, I believe he was the author of a fairly big successful cross-posted article about Microsoft .Net or some other technology.

OK, what's the binary analog of XSLT?

[yerricde]

XSL is a tool to transform XML documents. Of course it doesn't touch binary formats, that's outside it's scope.

XSLT transforms XML into XML. So what tool transforms Everything Else into XML?

Re:OK, what's the binary analog of XSLT?

[ethereal]

Perl. But that would have been the answer no matter what the question :)

I wrote a client side XML/XSLT database.

[jelwell]

Using an XML data source to hold all my games, with all the ratings from my friends, as well as photos. I dynamically allow the user to sort the games using different XSLT documents. I used to have an option for changing the look but I never liked any of the other looks.

Take a look at the application here

It requires a 6.0+ browser, Netscape 6.x (or 7), IE 6.x, Mozilla 0.9.8+, or IE 5.5 if you install the updated XSLT update (better to instead just upgrade your whole browser).

Joseph Elwell.

(OT) A section for features

[Anonymous Coward]

Keep it up guys -- this improves the value of Slashdot immensely. At the very least, give this concept a section of its own

Slashdot already has a section for Features.

IMHO namespace are "bolted" on XML

[renoX]

It really feels like a kludge: why attributes doesn't inherit the namespace of the element?

I think it's because of "backward compatibility", which is too bad, because it's obvious that they would need something like namespace to prevent clashes.

*Sigh*

Karma Kap - was Re:This is good! - was ...

[Jack William Bell]

Don't feel bad about loosing karma points because of the stupid cap, you could be in my shoes. I had a karma of 97 before the cap, now it is down to 86. Eventually I will have 50 like everyone else. I *so* wanted to break 100 too, although I am not sure why. It isn't like /. karma gets me extra beer. But I felt that I had done rather well for someone who refused to karma whore and often took unpopular positions.

I never did understand the reason for the cap either -- to make all the kiddies with 20 karma feel better? But that's the way it goes...

Jack William Bell

Re:Karma Kap - was Re:This is good! - was ...

[ethereal]

I'm not sure that I believe you still have 86 karma - I had karma over 50 at cap time, and it was truncated to 50. How'd you manage to avoid that?

Re:Karma Kap - was Re:This is good! - was ...

[Jack William Bell]

Hmmm... I don't know how to show you my user info. When you click on someone else's user number it doesn't show the karma. I will try to cut and paste from what it shows me. Hopefully you will believe I didn't fake it...

Welcome back Jack William Bell (84469)

This is your User Info page. There are thousands more, but this one is yours. You most likely are not so interested in yourself, and probably would be more interested in the Preferences links you see up top there, where you can customize Slashdot, change your password, or just click pretty widgets to kill time.

You're a moderator with 5 points(expire after 2002-06-02). Please read the Moderator Guidelines before you do any moderation.

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1 Re:Default namespaces are evil! posted on 01:57 PM May 30th, 2002 (Score:2)
attached to XML Namespaces and How They Affect XPath and XSLT

Jack William Bell

VB for Debian

[yerricde]

We're not going to pop over to freshmeat and download the latest VB4Debian

Oh yes you are. GNOME Basic is an environment compatible with many applications written in the Visual Basic programming language.

Re:Reality check - Fiction

[FatHogByTheAss]

If you have two systems, you can do whatever the heck you want with them. But some of us have to interact with more than that, and often, they aren't ours.

Lets say you have one market, and n businesses in that market. Like, say, accounting, or schools, or manufacturing. All of these entities need to interact with each other, and exchange data.

Now, they could take your approach, and create a custom excange format for every different interaction. That scales, well, not at all.

As an alternative, they could define a few formats using an identical grammar. Then all their systems could interact without having to write custom applications for each of the custom exchange formats that their accounting department escapee came up with.

Then they could fire the short-sighted hacks that "saved" all that time by not using XML in the first place.

this is a MSXSL tutorial, not a XSLT tutorial

[EugeneK]

Since when is JavaScript part of XSLT? Leave it to Microsoft to jam a Javascript interpreter INTO a XSLT processor! Oh, and a VBScript interpreter too, since you can do that, too.

(Project for today: write an XSLT processor that formats your hard drive.)

This whole tutorial relies on using M$'s XSLT processor; otherwise, this example won't work. Feh.

<msxsl:script language="JavaScript" implements-prefix="newfunc">
function SayHello() {
return "Hello World";
}
</msxsl:script>

Re:this is a MSXSL tutorial, not a XSLT tutorial

[ethereal]

If your XSLT processor uses VBscript, then I imagine some guy in the Philippines is figuring out right now how to format your hard drive for you via Outlook :)

Re:this is a MSXSL tutorial, not a XSLT tutorial

[axxackall]

I doubt you had achance to read a XSLT docs on Apache Xalan.

Here is the link to read at your free time: javascript

Re:this is a MSXSL tutorial, not a XSLT tutorial

[EugeneK]

Thanks for the link. I had no idea that Xalan was embedding javascript too. Still seems wrong to me, to embed a complicated full-blown language (Javascript or VBScript) into a simple language (XSLT).

Re:this is a MSXSL tutorial, not a XSLT tutorial

[Anonymous Coward]

The idea is not to embed a complicated full-blown language (Javascript or VBScript) into a simple language (XSLT), but to use API of extensions.

I am sorry

[inerte]

But I heard a good argument against your article:

SELECT * FROM books!

Perl.

[MenTaLguY]

Or pick your own favorite scripting language with decent XML libraries.

Lisp: anything to everything

[Anonymous Coward]

... and DSSSL is just a dialect of it :)

RDF schema and Ontology

[axxackall]

XML schema and Namespaces help to control syntax. And only syntax

Tired from semantical hard-coding? Try RDF-schema and ontologies.

Here's a copy of the article

[Anonymous Coward]

In case the site gets slashdotted.

Oh wait...

binary formats?, your a fool

[oliverthered]

Noooo not binary formats, 8 bit packed data, there just like strings or numbers. used by a lot of weird people in databases which export the bit packed value as a number in XML e.g.
145 = 10010001 in binary, which might translate to
Cheese, no relish, no cucumber, Brown Bap, No hair, No Spit, No Meat, Cooked.

Hey, I'm English

[oliverthered]

I can spell how the hell i like,
My family can be traced back more that 800 years, Where are you from?

Perwill

[oliverthered]

Transforms anything to anything?

MSDN article... where's the outrage?

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow. This article is almost taken verbatim from the Microsoft Developer Network, including .NET examples written in C#. They didn't even hide it... the link to the MSDN article is in the second paragraph.

Shouldn't there be 700 offended comments by Linux people about how Slashdot has sold out?

Fascinating. ;)

Note to anyone who liked this article: This is why developers that use Microsoft stuff like using Microsoft stuff. MSDN has tons of well-written articles like this *all the time*, in addition to complete documentation of *everything* all in one place...

XML doesn't bestow intelligence

[Viking Coder]

Saying that your data is stored in XML doesn't mean your data has any more intelligent structure than saying that your C program has its data stored with pointers.

Adding a namespace only confuses the issue more.

Intelligent data structures don't happen by accident, and anyone who claims that XML (and by extension, namespaces) makes everything easy is a moron.

Hey dudes! Rate that MSDN Page!

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Might as well rate that MSDN page once you get bounced there. Feel free to give a rating based on general applicability, validity outside MSFT domain, for non-MS browsers, etc. I wonder what a Slashdot effect on the rating might be like...and if it might get re-adjusted by MSDN? :)

Re:Reality check - Fiction

[Jhan]

Late reply, no-one will read this but I must reply...

[many companies communicating using simple tab delimited text files]
As an alternative, they could define a few (XML) formats using an identical grammar. Then all their systems could interact without having to write custom applications for each of the custom exchange formats that their accounting department escapee came up with.

If the many companies in your scenario could agree on a XML schema, they could just as easily have agreed on a fixed column width represention or a tab separated representation. The difference is that, yes, it is easier to modify the format with XML, but using XML properly in a non-modern environment (ie. 80% of large companies) is hell, plain and simple.

Have you ever tried to write you own XML validator/parser from scratch? In less than one week? I have. It wasn't funny. The result sort of worked. With this schema. If the input files are flawless. Any future modifications to that program will be tape and solder style.

XML is a ridicoulously overcomplex method of intercommunication. The hype says that if you just represent the data as XML, then anyone can read it, anytime! They don't mention the fact that this is only true if large numbers of people agree to use the same schemas which in reality they don't. Everyone invents their own representations. Translating is utter hell.

In order to get XML to really deliver, people have to agree on common schemas for every different kind of application. Just as people have always had to agree on common data transfer formats! There is nothing new and nothing good, and it's all horribly inefficient and unnesecarily complicated and convoluted.

PS. If you could recomend a XML framework for SCO-Unix (OpenServer 5) I would be extatic.