I think the famous last words ought to be "but then he'd be using Lotus Notes". Having to use Lotus Notes is not a pleasant experience for anyone and I don't think you should increase the amount of misery in the world, which is what you'd be doing if they switched to notes.
Excellent last line, that is, or is almost, Syllepsis (I don't know exactly) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeugma#Syllepsis Perhaps one more clause though?
I call your excuse lame, your post BS and your ass tubby.
This is going to come across as arrogant but what the hey. GWT is excellent and if you're not using it for any new browser based front end development I think you're missing out on the best development environment currently available. I really urge everyone to give it a go. I work on a commercial product, blueprint.lombardi.com, with a UI completely written in GWT. This is a product for which we charge money, not a demonstration or proof of concept. It supports IE6, IE7, FF2 and FF3 and includes features like drag and drop, animation, and automatic graph layout and line routing. I spoke at Google IO this year, you can see the presentation here Using GWT to build a high performance collaborative diagramming tool for a more in depth look at what we've been able to do with GWT.
We originally started building Blueprint using a mixture of flash and html, then tried the dojo toolkit and settled on GWT at the start of 2007. Flash and html didn't work well together we wanted to be able to drag and drop between the two environments and that didn't work. Besides, in the real world you have to support some very old versions of Flash and there are people who can't, because of corporate policies, upgrade to more recent versions. We did manage to produce an alpha release of Blueprint using dojo but it quickly became apparent that it was not going to be maintainable. Switching to GWT was a breath of fresh air. You get all the advantages of the fantastic java tooling that's available these days. and hosted mode debugging makes finding runtime errors easy.
The fundamental parts of GWT are the java to javascript compiler and hosted mode execution, the widget toolkit and RPC mechanisms are excellent but are not what makes GWT so good. The compiler takes the java code you write and applies very aggressive optimization to create javascript that is more compact (in obfuscated mode) and that executes faster than code you would write by hand. I kid you not, I have a post here Overlay types, the dom and deferred binding in GWT 1.5 that demonstrates just what I mean. You can reliably refactor your code using modern IDEs, something that's not possible with raw javascript.
Hosted mode execution lets you single step through, in, for instance, Eclipse or IDEA, your GWT java code while it controls a the UI in a browser. Nothing comes close to providing that level of productivity when you're working with raw javascript. It is frankly amazing when you see it in action.
GWT does a good job of hiding difference in browser behavior but you still have to be aware of CSS behavior differences between browsers if you're trying to do some of the fancier things you see in our Google IO presentation.
So, you never use a compiler of any sort do you because you can write more elegant code more efficiently using assembler in vi? The great innovations are GWT is compiling to javascript and hosted mode debugging, not some widget set or other. After writing an app using dojo rewriting it using GWT was a massive breath of fresh air. Productivity is much higher, not just initial development but later debugging and maintenance. Programming is about working at the right level of abstraction with the right set of tools. At the moment IDEs for Java offer far better support for writing and maintaining applications than any other toolset. Why make life harder for yourself?
Re:Rails, great for those fed up with J2EE.
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So what you're saying is that RoR is becoming more complex as it tries to handle the complex things J2EE has to handle? There is a certain irreducable amount of complexity in writing enterprise software (whatever that is). Frameworks that try to support this completely generally become more and more complex themselves until they reach J2EE levels. The vast majority of the "complicated" things in J2EE are in there because they are needed to solve real world problems. Anything that attempts to solve the same set of problems will approach the same complexity.
complaining that young people today just don't understand anything, and that music they listen to, well, in my day.....
Yes, Mr. Kay puts forward some great ideas but the whole tone strikes me as whining. Smalltalk was great and as he says there are many new and interesting ideas out there now, why doesn't he implement them in an accessible way and drop the attitude that intellectual lighweights have ruined programming.
I agree completely. For instance, any interview candidate who seriously suggested developing java in vi, or even in emacs, would have to work very, very hard to justify their position. If you're not using Eclipse or IntelliJ you're making things much, much harder for yourself, and you're much less productive than you could be.
" enter it quickly, search it powerfully and associate it meaningfully"
Nice elevator pitch, and I'm not being saracstic. It's rare to find such a good and brief expression of what a product does and why it's the one you should use.
But what's the point of electronic voting anyway? Surely it shouldn't just be to speed up the voting process? I think, if we're going to do this, it should be to ensure that everyone's vote gets counted by reducing, as far as possible, the impediments, such as hanging chads or badly designed ballots, that prevent this. So, while I like the first part of your suggestion I don't see why we need the second at the polling place. Simply have the first machine fill in the appropriate checkbox on a paper ballot that is human and machine readable, let the voter check that the ballot is correct and then deposit in a ballot box as normal.
Why bother trying to speed up the counting process? People can just wait for the results, at least this way the East Coast results won't be out till the West Coast polling stations have closed.
More like the level of a Indian brick layer. I assume from your comment you have no idea of the relative populations of various places or the difference in living standards between them.
Seeing how things have been getting worse under Bu$h though perhaps getting rid of him would be a good first step, instead of just whining that nothing ever changes.
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To some extent your opening sentence indicates the problem. There really is a world of difference between the words you've invented and the words, especially the names, China Mieville invents. Sure, it's easy to parody, just as it's easy to parody the names Dickens used, but it's very hard to get right. Anyway, it's really not the biggest part of Mieville's appeal. The words he chooses certainly do convey an image to the audience though.
Give the books a try. If you approach with an open mind I think you'll enjoy them.
I remember the show but not the computer. Every planet looked, unsurprisingly, like a wood outside of London. Sort of fun though, probably more in retrospect than if I watched it again though.
I'm pointing to the second page as it has the first pictures of the case on it. The quality of the work and the attention to detail is just fantastic. This is custom modding at its finest, not just slapping some lights in a case. http://www.bit-tech.net/article/114/2
have a new winner and can officially declare Star Wars no longer worthy of its own logo. Let's shoot that horse already and put it out of its misery, its got two broken legs and aint' going to get any better.
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I think the famous last words ought to be "but then he'd be using Lotus Notes". Having to use Lotus Notes is not a pleasant experience for anyone and I don't think you should increase the amount of misery in the world, which is what you'd be doing if they switched to notes.
Excellent last line, that is, or is almost, Syllepsis (I don't know exactly) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeugma#Syllepsis Perhaps one more clause though?
I call your excuse lame, your post BS and your ass tubby.
This is going to come across as arrogant but what the hey. GWT is excellent and if you're not using it for any new browser based front end development I think you're missing out on the best development environment currently available. I really urge everyone to give it a go. I work on a commercial product, blueprint.lombardi.com, with a UI completely written in GWT. This is a product for which we charge money, not a demonstration or proof of concept. It supports IE6, IE7, FF2 and FF3 and includes features like drag and drop, animation, and automatic graph layout and line routing. I spoke at Google IO this year, you can see the presentation here Using GWT to build a high performance collaborative diagramming tool for a more in depth look at what we've been able to do with GWT.
We originally started building Blueprint using a mixture of flash and html, then tried the dojo toolkit and settled on GWT at the start of 2007. Flash and html didn't work well together we wanted to be able to drag and drop between the two environments and that didn't work. Besides, in the real world you have to support some very old versions of Flash and there are people who can't, because of corporate policies, upgrade to more recent versions. We did manage to produce an alpha release of Blueprint using dojo but it quickly became apparent that it was not going to be maintainable. Switching to GWT was a breath of fresh air. You get all the advantages of the fantastic java tooling that's available these days. and hosted mode debugging makes finding runtime errors easy.
The fundamental parts of GWT are the java to javascript compiler and hosted mode execution, the widget toolkit and RPC mechanisms are excellent but are not what makes GWT so good. The compiler takes the java code you write and applies very aggressive optimization to create javascript that is more compact (in obfuscated mode) and that executes faster than code you would write by hand. I kid you not, I have a post here Overlay types, the dom and deferred binding in GWT 1.5 that demonstrates just what I mean. You can reliably refactor your code using modern IDEs, something that's not possible with raw javascript.
Hosted mode execution lets you single step through, in, for instance, Eclipse or IDEA, your GWT java code while it controls a the UI in a browser. Nothing comes close to providing that level of productivity when you're working with raw javascript. It is frankly amazing when you see it in action.
GWT does a good job of hiding difference in browser behavior but you still have to be aware of CSS behavior differences between browsers if you're trying to do some of the fancier things you see in our Google IO presentation.
Halo Jones - Now that would be a excellent one. Three different sections would make it tough to do though. "Anybody could have done it."
Ealing comedy (think Lavender Hill Mob, Lady Killers, Passport to Pimlico) from 1951. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044876/
So, you never use a compiler of any sort do you because you can write more elegant code more efficiently using assembler in vi? The great innovations are GWT is compiling to javascript and hosted mode debugging, not some widget set or other. After writing an app using dojo rewriting it using GWT was a massive breath of fresh air. Productivity is much higher, not just initial development but later debugging and maintenance. Programming is about working at the right level of abstraction with the right set of tools. At the moment IDEs for Java offer far better support for writing and maintaining applications than any other toolset. Why make life harder for yourself?
Wait till Bush is out of office first, otherwise rumors that the terrorists are planning a moon base would just encourage him to invade Australia.
To rephrase your sig
Give a man a light and he's warm for a minue; set a man alight and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Their September 11th coverage was brilliant.
So what you're saying is that RoR is becoming more complex as it tries to handle the complex things J2EE has to handle? There is a certain irreducable amount of complexity in writing enterprise software (whatever that is). Frameworks that try to support this completely generally become more and more complex themselves until they reach J2EE levels. The vast majority of the "complicated" things in J2EE are in there because they are needed to solve real world problems. Anything that attempts to solve the same set of problems will approach the same complexity.
Nor are the buildings next door a flat green color on top.
complaining that young people today just don't understand anything, and that music they listen to, well, in my day.....
Yes, Mr. Kay puts forward some great ideas but the whole tone strikes me as whining. Smalltalk was great and as he says there are many new and interesting ideas out there now, why doesn't he implement them in an accessible way and drop the attitude that intellectual lighweights have ruined programming.
I agree completely. For instance, any interview candidate who seriously suggested developing java in vi, or even in emacs, would have to work very, very hard to justify their position. If you're not using Eclipse or IntelliJ you're making things much, much harder for yourself, and you're much less productive than you could be.
" enter it quickly, search it powerfully and associate it meaningfully"
Nice elevator pitch, and I'm not being saracstic. It's rare to find such a good and brief expression of what a product does and why it's the one you should use.
But what's the point of electronic voting anyway? Surely it shouldn't just be to speed up the voting process? I think, if we're going to do this, it should be to ensure that everyone's vote gets counted by reducing, as far as possible, the impediments, such as hanging chads or badly designed ballots, that prevent this. So, while I like the first part of your suggestion I don't see why we need the second at the polling place. Simply have the first machine fill in the appropriate checkbox on a paper ballot that is human and machine readable, let the voter check that the ballot is correct and then deposit in a ballot box as normal.
Why bother trying to speed up the counting process? People can just wait for the results, at least this way the East Coast results won't be out till the West Coast polling stations have closed.
IntelliJ - IDEA Really is the best IDE for java.
More like the level of a Indian brick layer. I assume from your comment you have no idea of the relative populations of various places or the difference in living standards between them.
That's an amazing tool. People will have to know what they're doing to use it correctly though, which is probably a good thing.
Seeing how things have been getting worse under Bu$h though perhaps getting rid of him would be a good first step, instead of just whining that nothing ever changes.
To some extent your opening sentence indicates the problem. There really is a world of difference between the words you've invented and the words, especially the names, China Mieville invents. Sure, it's easy to parody, just as it's easy to parody the names Dickens used, but it's very hard to get right. Anyway, it's really not the biggest part of Mieville's appeal. The words he chooses certainly do convey an image to the audience though.
Give the books a try. If you approach with an open mind I think you'll enjoy them.
I remember the show but not the computer. Every planet looked, unsurprisingly, like a wood outside of London. Sort of fun though, probably more in retrospect than if I watched it again though.
I'm pointing to the second page as it has the first pictures of the case on it. The quality of the work and the attention to detail is just fantastic. This is custom modding at its finest, not just slapping some lights in a case. http://www.bit-tech.net/article/114/2
Yep, you've never used it, or you wouldn't be making the comparisons you are.
have a new winner and can officially declare Star Wars no longer worthy of its own logo. Let's shoot that horse already and put it out of its misery, its got two broken legs and aint' going to get any better.
Well put. I'd probably take Point Break over Matrix Reloaded as well.