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Rockbox Replaces Archos Firmware

bagder writes: "The guys in the Rockbox project have just released the first working firmware replacement for the Archos portable hard disk-based MP3-players. The software is all GPL. Every tiny bit was reverse engineered, disassembled and then re-written from scratch. You can go download your own firmware right now!"

187 comments

  1. Yaaay for the good guys. by jpellino · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Bless their hearts. gnupod, anyone?

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    1. Re:Yaaay for the good guys. by SavingPrivateNawak · · Score: 1

      How can a first post be redundant?

  2. Change my Mother Fucking FirmWare, Bitch! by Pr0n+K1ng · · Score: -1

    Get it in you!

    FP is in da hizzouse!

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  3. woot! by tweakt · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    My first first post?

  4. But does it play ogg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know, the hardware probably isn't appropriate... but it's always worth asking.

    1. Re:But does it play ogg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..and further more, has anyone ported Quake 2 to this thing, yet?

  5. I did it! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2

    It thinks its an Ipod!

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  7. Remind me again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the purpose of portable mp3 players?
    I thought that's what minidisk was for, years ago.

    1. Re:Remind me again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I wonder about those hard disk things in my computer too. After all, floppies have been around for decades.

    2. Re:Remind me again by Erik+K.+Veland · · Score: 1

      Minidisk-player? Jeebus man, I'd stick with my 8-track any day. You youngsters and your toys.

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    3. Re:Remind me again by Bohnanza · · Score: 1

      MP3 players let you play the music you steal via the internet without all that silly file-conversion.

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  8. OGG by tweakt · · Score: 2

    OOoh, maybe it can be added if the decoding hardware is generic enough? Wow.. that would ROCK!

    1. Re:OGG by NeMon'ess · · Score: 2

      Read the website and you'll see it probably isn't, now go back to posting at +1 where you apparently belong.

    2. Re:OGG by tweakt · · Score: 2

      =P

    3. Re:OGG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is (a generic DSP) but the developers don't have the specs for programming it.

  9. With a spinning drive... by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

    Isn't there some sort of torque problem that needs to be addressed with these hard drive-based devices? Have they engineered the things so that they don't twitch in your backpack?

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    1. Re:With a spinning drive... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

      i've got one of these archos jukeboxes and yeah they do twitch a bit, but only before they get up to speed

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    2. Re:With a spinning drive... by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 1

      Well, most of the mass in a hard drive is the platter stack. those move at a constant speed. The read/write arms move, but those are extremely light. So, given that the drive spins at a constant speed e.g 7200 rpms, there would be no twitching. Perhaps a little rotation when the drive first spun up.

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    3. Re:With a spinning drive... by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

      What about the increase in inertia generated by the platters? It may be small, but carrying around a personal gyroscope sounds a little uncomfortable.

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    4. Re:With a spinning drive... by Suppafly · · Score: 2

      no, yes.

    5. Re:With a spinning drive... by grahams · · Score: 1

      You don't even notice it. First of all, small is an understatement... While the platters are spinning I can't even NOTICE any gyroscopic force as I hold it in my hand...

      I don't even understand how it could be classified as "uncomfortable".

      On top of that, the drive only spins up every minute or so to fill its buffer.

    6. Re:With a spinning drive... by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

      Cool. Thanks.

      I was using a spinning Maxtor as my point of reference. It seems like the device in question uses something less bulky.

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    7. Re:With a spinning drive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 10 drive RAID stack doesn't twitch so much when I turn it on, but I'd have to say it's pretty uncomfortable carrying it around...

  10. DCMA? by CrackerJackz · · Score: 1

    Figured I might as well be the first to say this... but doesn't this count as reverse engineering?

    1. Re:DCMA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean DMCA. And I'm Canadian too.

    2. Re:DCMA? by rusty0101 · · Score: 3

      It may be reverse engineering, but unless I miss my guesse, that will not be a problem as far as the DMCA is concerned, as what was reverse engineered was not a means of retaining secure control of a media product. What was reverse engineered was the means of using a product that does not have access controls built into it.

      There may be UCITA or EULA violations involved, however I don't expect that the people at Archos are interested in persuing that at this time. I personally don't think they want to be on the loosing side of a court battle over either EULA or UCITA.

      Then again, IANAL.

      -Rusty

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    3. Re:DCMA? by a3d0a3m · · Score: 1

      Reverse engineering is kosher, provided that the interoperability is with a trade-secreted format. If the creators of the Archos portable MP3 player had patented their design of the firmware, then the DMCA would protect them from others reverse engineering their product in order to provide any interoperability. As well, EULA and UCITA doesn't protect one, as the EULA is software and not hardware, and most likely was only involved when one installed the host software program.

      adam

    4. Re:DCMA? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      "If the creators of the Archos portable MP3 player had patented their design of the firmware, then the DMCA would protect them from others reverse engineering their product..."

      The DMCA has nothing to do with patents. Besides, if they had patented the stuff there would be no need to reverse engineer. You could just read the patents.

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    5. Re:DCMA? by Suppafly · · Score: 2

      as the EULA is software and not hardware
      EULA is End User License Agreement, anything can have a EULA

    6. Re:DCMA? by intermodal · · Score: 1

      perhaps, perhaps not. Depends...Do you consider running Linux on a PC to be reverse-engineering a Windows-designed hardware system, for purposes of law? it's almost definitely warranty-voiding, and certainly not a change to be looked upon as a routine mod this soon after release, but there's really no way for them to complain about it. Once you buy it, it's yours. To complain that you're putting your own software on it is none of their damn business. IANAL, but they have every right to void the warranty of so-treated units, but there's no way to say that this is demonstrably causing the manufacturer of the device harm or loss in any way, shape, or form unless they have a questionably-legal subscription fee to their little proprietary firmware that comes on it, which in and of itself would be a disturbing thought.

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    7. Re:DCMA? by ripnet · · Score: 1

      Its NOT warrenty voiding - i have one of these 20 gig recorders, and the firmware lives on the disc - you can simply delete it, and its back to how it was when I got it... I love my Archos :)

    8. Re:DCMA? by amentia · · Score: 1

      Since the guys att haxx lives in sweden I don't think they have to give a damn about some crazy american laws.

    9. Re:DCMA? by Geekboy(Wizard) · · Score: 1

      What about that dude who found the css key? Wasn't he sweedish?

  11. Finally... by DigitalHammer · · Score: 1

    The days of playing a single format; mp3, are over for the archos...and in a good way. Hopfully the archos execs won't slap the DMCA on these guys using the "reverse-engineering excuse". -Jay

    1. Re:Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for playing the game, but I'm sorry to say that you've lost. If you had read the site, you'd have seen that it is unlikely that it will ever play other formats.

    2. Re:Finally... by DigitalHammer · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean its impossible. Since Ogg is open source...people can perfect it to a point that will enable groups such as Rockbox can write a firmware small enough to fit in the Archos's ROM. It could happen in this year, next year, who knows...

    3. Re:Finally... by xdfgf · · Score: -1

      From the FAQ


      Q17. I don't see you mentioning ogg files on your list of ideas. What about supporting those?

      A17. At the current time we belive this is not very likely (though we are not completely closing out this possibility). The Micronas chip (MAS3507) decoder in the archos does not natively support ogg decoding and there is very little program space in the player to implement it ourselves. The alternative would be to write a software decoder as part of the RockBox firmware. However, as much as we love our players, the computing power of the Archos (SH1 microcontroller) is not fully sufficent for this need (Once again, this is not a definative no. The world is full of brilliant people. We just aren't hunting down all the ones not already involved with the project right this instant).

      Can also be seen here

    4. Re:Finally... by Suppafly · · Score: 2

      not really, they don't show any intention on adding functionality to play any format other than mp3.

    5. Re:Finally... by DigitalHammer · · Score: 1

      Well, rockbox doesn't have to, but another group or person can.

    6. Re:Finally... by Suppafly · · Score: 2

      if they can do it in 200k worth of code and still implement all of the rest of the standard features, they sure could. The device decodes mp3's in hardware, the firmware controls the software and UI, its most likely not possible to add decoders for other formats, a quick browsing of the faq at the rockbox site makes that pretty obvious.

    7. Re:Finally... by KarmaPolice · · Score: 1

      Actually it pretty much means that it IS impossible. The Archos plays mp3 with a Micronas IC that only decodes mpeg.

      The main CPU probably isn't fast enough to even TRY to decode Ogg-files. It's like reprogramming your palmpilot to play DVD-files...it was never meant to be! The Archos cpu only controls the keyboard and the playlists.

  12. Mirror (just in case) by Drunken+Coward · · Score: -1
    Purpose

    The purpose of this project is to write an Open Source replacement firmware for the Archos Jukebox 6000, Studio and Recorder MP3 players. News

    2002-06-01: Version 1.0 is released! Download it here.

    2002-06-01: Web site has been down three days due to a major power loss.

    2002-05-27: All v1.0 code is written, we are now entering debug phase. If you like living on the edge, here are daily builds.

    (Old news items have moved to a separate page.)

    We have a mailing list: rockbox@cool.haxx.se. To subscribe, send a message to majordomo@cool.haxx.se with the words "subscribe rockbox" in the body. Roadmap

    This is a rough indication of which features we plan/expect/hope to be included in which versions. Naturally, this is all subject to change without notice. Version 1.1 Playlist support, scrolling, UI improvements Version 1.2 Recorder support, UI improvements Version 1.3 Resume, persistent settings, autobuild playlists, UI improvements About the hardware

    I wrote a "dissection" page some months ago, showing the inside of the Archos and listing the main components. I have also collected a couple of data sheets. Also, don't miss the research notes from my reverse-engineering the firmware. About the software

    The player has one version of the firmware burnt into flash ROM. The first thing this version does after boot is to look for a file called "archos.mod" in the root directory of the harddisk. If it exists, it is loaded into RAM and started. This is how firmware upgrades are loaded. Dreams

    Ok, forget about reality, what could we do with this?

    • All those simple mp3-play features we sometimes miss:
      • No pause between songs
      • Mid-song resume
      • Mid-playlist resume
      • No-scan playlists
      • Unlimited playlist size
      • Autobuild playlists (such as "all songs in this directory tree")
      • Auto-continue play in the next directory
      • Current folder and all sub-folder random play
      • Full disk random play
      • REAL random (if press back it goes to the previous song that was played)
      • Multi song queue (folder queue)
    • Faster scroll speed
    • Archos Recorder support. Most of the hardware is the same, but the display and some other things differ.
    • All kinds of cool features done from the wire remote control, including controlling your Archos from your car radio (req hw mod)
    • Ogg Vorbis support [unverified: the MAS is somewhat programmable, but enough?]
    • Support for megabass switch (req hw mod) [unverified: I just saw the DAC docs shows how to do it switchable. we need a free port pin to be able to switch]
    • Player control via USB [unverified]
    • Memory expansion? [doubtful: the current DRAM chip only has 10 address lines. we'd have to pull off one heck of a hw mod to expand that]
    Page was last modified "Jun 2 2002" Björn Stenberg
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    1. Re:Mirror (just in case) by Arker · · Score: 1

      This sounds wonderful. How much do these babies cost?

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  13. The question is... by neksys · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that legal? I mean, I'd just hate to see something like that challenged under the DMCA in all its ridiculousness. Any thoughts or ideas?

    1. Re:The question is... by pompomtom · · Score: 1

      Do they have a DMCA in Sweden?

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    2. Re:The question is... by TrollBurger · · Score: -1

      Thankyou for generating Slashdot autoresponse #152

    3. Re:The question is... by plierhead · · Score: 1
      Kind of confusing statement here in the story:

      Every tiny bit was reverse engineered, disassembled and then re-written from scratch

      If it was rewritten from scratch then why was it first reverse-engineered and disassembled ? Instead this sounds more like someone disassembled it then used the understanding that they gained to create a new version, which is not quite the same as "from scratch". That may be skating on thin ice as far as being legal goes.

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    4. Re:The question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm..unless of course disassembled means to take it to pieces with a screwdriver rather than to reverse-engineer the source code out of it...

    5. Re:The question is... by hazyshadeofwinter · · Score: 1

      Hell, they'll probably sell a few more of 'em to /. readers. Just imagine, now not only is it an mp3/ogg player you can use with yer linux box, it's (potentially) a hard drive for your digicam/pda/whatever. Wonder if it has a good enough display to run Mame?

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    6. Re:The question is... by Bj�rn+Stenberg · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would say we are in the green. We are not voilating anyone's copyright and we are not circumventing any copy protection scheme.

      This has been a big point for me from the beginning. Some people wanted us to distribute patched versions of the original firmware (language fixes, charset fixes etc), but that would have violated Archos' copyright so we never did that.

    7. Re:The question is... by Bj�rn+Stenberg · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't confuse the terms.

      Reverse engineering means examining a product to find out how it works. Disassembling the firmware is merely one tool used in that examination. Oscilloscopes and logic analyzers are other tools we have used.

      We have written every single byte of the Rockbox firmware. But we could not have written the software without first researching how the hardware was put together, i.e. reverse engineer it.

      All of this is completely legal.

      If you define "from scratch" as writing software without first researching the surrounding interfaces, then no software has ever been written from scratch.

    8. Re:The question is... by sh00z · · Score: 1

      Nope, no Ogg. FAQ Answer 17 says "not very likely". In other words, what's the point of this whole effort?

    9. Re:The question is... by plierhead · · Score: 1
      So person X disassembled the Archos firmware, thus getting some access to their (uncommented) source code.

      Then person X wrote their own source code, aided by the information they got from looking at the Archos source code.

      I'm sure you never at any time cut and pasted any of their source code into yours. But AFAIK if you did, even once, then you have crossed the line - so aren't you playing with fire a bit here if they decide to get legal with you ?

      Nice job anyway :)

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  14. Linux Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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    1. Re:Linux Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      awsome troll my friend

  15. Re:But does it play ogg? not yet by nucal · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the FAQ

    Q17. I don't see you mentioning ogg files on your list of ideas. What about supporting those?

    A17. At the current time we belive this is not very likely (though we are not completely closing out this possibility). The Micronas chip (MAS3507) decoder in the archos does not natively support ogg decoding and there is very little program space in the player to implement it ourselves. The alternative would be to write a software decoder as part of the RockBox firmware. However, as much as we love our players, the computing power of the Archos (SH1 microcontroller) is not fully sufficent for this need (Once again, this is not a definative no. The world is full of brilliant people. We just aren't hunting down all the ones not already involved with the project right this instant).

  16. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, even if you rewrite the firmware under GPL, what is the point unless offers new features?

  17. Re:But does it play ogg? not yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oohhh, that's handy. Frequently asked questions like mine all in one handy place.

  18. WHY??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    It works just fine! Why?

    Why?

    Someone please explain.

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    Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently.

    Tongue-fuck her. This feels divine. It also teases the hell out of her because by now she wants some attention given to her clit. Check it out. See if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of its covering. If so, lick it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So bring your tongue up to the top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may barely experience its presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl, you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and press into her skin.

    Gently pull the pussy lips away and flick your tongue against the clit, hood covered or not. Do this quickly. This should cause her legs to shudder. When you sense she's getting up there toward orgasm, make your lips into an O and take the clit into your mouth. Start to suck gently and watch your lady's face for her reaction. If she can handle it, begin to suck harder. If she digs it, suck even harder. Go with her. If she lifts her pelvis into the air with the tension of her rising orgasm, move with her, don't fight her. Hang on, and keep your hot mouth on her clit. Don't let go. That's what she'll be saying too: 'Don't stop. Don't ever stop!'

    There's a reason for that - most men stop too soon. Just like with cock sucking, this is something worth learning about and worth learning to do well. I know a man who's a lousy fuck, simply lousy, but he can eat pussy like nobody I know and he never has trouble getting a date. Girls are falling all over him.

    But back to your pussy eating session...There's another thing you can do to intensify your woman's pleasure. You can finger-fuck her while she's enjoying your clit-licking talents. Before, during or after. She'll really like it. In addition to the erogenous zones surrounding her clit, a woman has another extremely sensitive area at the roof of her vagina. This is what you rub up against when you're fucking her. Well, since your cock is pretty far away from your mouth, your fingers will have to do the fucking.

    Take two fingers. One is too skinny and three is too wide and therefore can't get deep enough. Make sure they're wet so you don't irritate her skin. Slide them inside, slowly at first, then a little faster. Fuck her with them rhythmically. Speed up only when she does. Listen to her breathing.

    She'll let you know what to do. If you're sucking her clit and finger-fucking her at the same time, you're giving her far more stimulation than you would be giving her with your cock alone. So you can count on it that she's getting high on this. If there's any doubt, check her out for symptoms. Each woman is unique. You may have one whose nipples get hard when she's excited or only when she's having an orgasm. Your girl might flush red or begin to tremble. Get to know her symptoms and you'll be a more sensitive lover.

    When she starts to have an orgasm, for heaven's sakes, don't let go of that clit. Hang in there for the duration. When she starts to come down from the first orgasm, press your tongue along the underside of the clit, leaving your lips covering the top. Move your tongue in and out of her cunt. If your fingers are inside, move them a little too, gently though, things are extremely sensitive just now.

    If you play your cards right, you'll get some multiple orgasms this way. A woman stays excited for a full hour after she's had an orgasm. Do you realize the full impact of that information? The potential? One woman was clocked at 56 orgasms at one sitting. Do you know what effect you would have on a woman you gave 56 orgasms to? She'd be yours as long as you wanted her.

    The last advice I have for you is this: After you've made her come, made her your slave by giving her the best head she's ever had, don't leave her alone just yet. Talk to her, stroke her body, caress her breasts. Keep making love to her quietly until she's come all the way down. A man can get off and go to sleep in the same breath and feel no remorse, no sense of loss. But a woman by nature requires some sensitivity from her lover in those first few moments after sex.

    Oral sex can be the most exciting sexual experiences you can have. But it's what you make it. Take your time, practice often, pay attention to your lover's signals, and most of all, enjoy yourself.

    The G-Spot

    This does exist. And in over half of the women out there, it works better than anything else you can do to cause a strong, prolonged orgasm. The original name is the Grafenberg spot, after a doctor, Earnest Grafenberg, who documented the area (which may have been known by people here and there throughout history) in the fifties.

    This "spot" is a small "mound" of tissue inside the vagina, between a penny and quarter in size, which responds to being pressed upon. It's almost certainly not the skenes glands, (which are located around the urethra, which is behind the G-spot area), as has been suggested by a few people. In fact, the G-Spot is the tissue in that raised area of the vagina, which has a higher concentration of sexual nerves, and produces hormones similar to those made by the male's prostate gland.

    A sort of map to the area -- Imagine your lover lying on her back, legs spread. Your position is between her legs. You would slide a finger inside her vagina, palm up. With your finger straight back, middle finger is best, you would curve it toward yourself, gently, as if you were gesturing to someone to "come here". In doing so, the area you press on should be pretty near her "G-Spot" area. If you know enough to follow the urethra (the tube that leads from the bladder to where the pee comes out), along the inside of her vagina, you may feel a slight swelling (if she's excited) at the point where the g-spot is.

    She must be excited, especially if either you or she is new to the g-spot, for the g-spot to have any real effect at all. It's not the ideal area for getting your lover aroused.

    But when she is excited, this area (more often than not) is the best way to bring her to orgasm. You work your way back to it gradually, teasing her (typically, this works best) with your fingers, slowly and gently. It's easier to hit the right area with two fingers, but this may not be comfortable for her, depending on how "tight" she is at that moment. When you have your fingers around the right area, try gently pressing, not too quickly. The movement should be fairly rhythmic. It's typically best if you're licking her clitoris (or near it, depending on the woman) at the same time...don't make a big deal out of the "quest", this will often make her feel self-conscious, or distracted. The licking should seem to be the primary activity.

    When you find the right area, she should respond by getting more excited. Most of the vagina's inside surface isn't really that sexually sensitive, believe it or not...most of the excitement of randomly inserting fingers is more psychological than from the actual stimulation.

    While more complicated techniques work with some women, some of the time, the best basic technique, upon finding the g-spot, is to continue to slowly, rhythmically press on it, while licking her clitoris (for a few women, the labia (lips) are sensitive to licking, too).

    This should cause her to build up to an orgasm.

    A G-Spot orgasm is different (always, when it works at all) than any other kind women have. It is possible, with some women, to have different qualities and kinds of orgasms from vaginal, clitoral, anal, and even breast stimulation...but with other women, those kinds of orgasms are all pretty much the same. But the G-Spot orgasm not only feels different; it also causes her body to react in a different way.

    First, it often causes a "push out" orgasm. The area around, or "above" (farther inside, that is) your fingers seems to swell up or to contract toward the opening of her vagina.

    If you find the right combination of pushing back when this happens, and slacking off to let it push out, you can cause (in perhaps half of the women) her orgasm to continue happening, long after normal ones would have subsided. In some women you can even keep her at a "plateau" (raised level) of sexual excitement, like a prolonged orgasm (or a little less than one) afterward, building up to an even bigger climax.

    That brings me to another important point; G-Spot orgasms sometimes causes a huge amount (relatively speaking) of lubrication (juices, wetness)...far more than even the most excited woman gets from "conventional" stimulation.

    When that extra wetness combines with the push-out orgasm, you get actual ejaculation...like a guy, but much better tasting. The built up juices can shoot out in such volume that you, or she, may be afraid that she lost control of her bladder. That is (almost always) not what happened. The fear that she peed can be enhanced by the fact that the urethra is behind the g-spot, so that in rare cases the woman can sometimes get the feeling that she needs to pee, even though she does not.

    In reality, in both men and women, enough sexual excitement prevents peeing, unless you try really hard. This is a built-in reflex, because urine is something of a spermicide. The "pee hard-on" that men get in the morning is partially his body taking advantage of this reflex, to keep him from accidentally wetting the bed with the urine that built up while he was sleeping.

    Taste

    Anyone who likes, say, coffee or beer should have no room to complain about the way most women taste. No, I don't mean it tastes like coffee or beer, genius...I mean that beer and coffee are, at best, acquired tastes...they are not naturally pleasant to a human being, no matter how much your addiction to one or both has convinced you otherwise. Most people, whether they remember it or not, had to learn to like the taste of beer/coffee, and had the desire to be Like the Adults to help them along. Well, I'd list taking pleasure in cunnilingus above drinking addictive beverages on the list of things that prove maturity. Aside from that, there's the fact that many people who give it an honest try genuinely enjoy the taste/smell.

    1. Re:The Art of Cunniligus by GafTheHorseInTears · · Score: -1

      Why the fuck are you even bothering with this? Let's face it, the closest the average Slashdot reader is going to get to performing cunnilingus is licking their monitor while whacking off to low-quality photoshops of underage pr0n with Natalie Portman's head pasted on.

      Instructions on giving good blowjobs would be more useful, since that would help all the 1337 h@x0rs survive in prison.

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      "You're just scared like a little white pussy. I'll fuck you till you love me, you faggot!"
  20. I 3 Ogg Vorbis by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    i own the 20 gig version of the archos jukebox, and i love it, it goes everywhere with me, the only problems are the relatively short battery life, about 5 hours between charges, and it only plays mp3 and wma and it only plays the most common bitrates, a big plus though is it plays winamp playlists, if i could replace the firmware, i would take the time to convert all my files and re-rip my cds to ogg vorbis, its a great format that hasn't really taken hold, plus its a lot more fun to say then em-pee-three

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    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
    1. Re:I 3 Ogg Vorbis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I think FLAC would be great. Lossless for the masses!

    2. Re:I 3 Ogg Vorbis by Dunkalis · · Score: 1

      FLAC is too large. Besides most people don't notice the difference between a high-quality MP3 and the CD audio. I don't like FLAC, since I can't notice the difference between it and a 190VBR MP3.

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  21. rockbox-1.0.tar.gz part1 by Drunken+Coward · · Score: -1

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  22. not here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 10gb iPod doesn't twitch....are you sure you've seen this w/an Archos?

  23. Re:rockbox-1.0.tar.gz part2 by Drunken+Coward · · Score: -1

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  24. Same for RioVolt SP250 anyone? by Alea · · Score: 2

    Are there any similar projects for the RioVolt SP250? It has upgradeable firmware as well. A quick Google search turned up nothing.

  25. Interesting by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

    How do they shield the inertia generated by the spinning drive? Lighter platters?

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    1. Re:Interesting by plover · · Score: 2
      Inertial dampers, just like they use on Star Trek, of course.

      You just don't want it in your backpack if they go offline...

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      John
  26. gnupod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  27. Cunniligus How to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Most women are shy about their bodies. Even if you've got the world's most gorgeous woman in bed with you, she's going to worry about how you like her body. Tell her it's beautiful, tell her which parts you like best, tell her anything, but get her to trust you enough to let you down between her legs. Now stop and look at what you see. Beautiful, isn't it? There is nothing that makes a woman more unique than her pussy. I know. I've seen plenty of them. They come in all different sizes, colors and shapes; some are tucked inside like a little girl's cunnie and some have thick luscious lips that come out to greet you. Some are nested in brushes of fur and others are covered with transparent fuzz. Appreciate your woman's unique qualities and tell her what makes her special. Women are a good deal more verbal than men, especially during love-making. They also respond more to verbal love, which means, the more you talk to her, the easier it will be to get her off. So all the time you're petting and stroking her beautiful pussy, talk to her about it.

    Now look at it again. Gently pull the lips apart and look at her inner lips, even lick them if you want to. Now spread the tops of her pussy up until you can find her clit. Women have clits in all different sizes, just like you guys have different sized cocks. It doesn't mean a thing as far as her capacity for orgasm. All it means is more of her is hidden underneath her foreskin.

    Whenever you touch a woman's pussy, make sure your finger is wet. You can lick it or moisten it with juices from inside her. Be sure, by all means, to wet it before you touch her clit because it doesn't have any juices of it's own and it's extremely sensitive. Your finger will stick to it if it's dry and that hurts. But you don't want to touch her clit anyway. You have to work up to that. Before she becomes aroused, her clit is too delicate to be handled. Approach her pussy slowly.

    Women, even more so than men, love to be teased. The inner part of her thigh is her most tender spot. Lick it, kiss it, make designs on it with the tip of your tongue. Come dangerously close to her pussy, then float away. Make her anticipate it. Now lick the crease where her leg joins her pussy. Nuzzle your face into her bush. Brush your lips over her slit without pressing down on it to further excite her.

    After you've done this to the point where your lady is bucking up from her seat and she's straining to get more of you closer to her, then put your lips right on top of her slit. Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently. Tongue-fuck her. This feels devine. It also teases the hell out of her because by now she wants some attention given to her clit.

    Check it out. See if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of it's covering. If so, lick it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So bring your tongue up to the top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may barely experience it's presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl, you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and press into her skin. Gently pull the pussy lips away and flick your tongue against the clit, hood covered or not. Do this quickly. This should cause her legs to shudder.

    When you sense she's getting up there toward orgasm, make your lips into an O and take the clit into your mouth. Start to suck gently and watch your lady's face for her reaction. If she can handle it, begin to suck harder. If she digs it, suck even harder. Go with her. If she lifts her pelvis into the air with the tension of her rising orgasm, move with her, don't fight her. Hang on, and keep your hot mouth on her clit. Don't let go. That's what she'll be saying too: 'Don't stop. Don't ever stop!' There's a reason for that, most men stop too soon.

    Just like with cock sucking, this is something worth learning about and worth learning to do well. I know a man who's a lousy fuck, simply lousy, but he can eat pussy like nobody I know and he never has trouble getting a date. Girls are falling all over him. But back to your pussy eating session...

    There's another thing you can do to intensify your woman's pleasure. You can finger-fuck her while she's enjoying your clit-licking talents. Before, during or after. She'll really like it. In addition to the erogenous zones surrounding her clit, a woman has another extremely sensitive area at the roof of her vagina. This is what you rub up against when you're fucking her.

    Well, since your cock is pretty far away from your mouth, your fingers will have to do the fucking. Take two fingers. One is too skinny and three is too wide and therefore can't get deep enough. Make sure they're wet so you don't irritate her skin. Slide them inside, slowly at first, then a little faster. Fuck her with them rhythmically. Speed up only when she does. Listen to her breathing. She'll let you know what to do.

    If you're sucking her clit and finger-fucking her at the same time, you're giving her far more stimulation than you would be giving her with your cock alone. So you can count on it that she's getting high on this. If there's any doubt, check her out for symptoms. Each woman is unique. You may have one who's nipples get hard when she's excited or only when she's having an orgasm. Your girl might flush red or begin to tremble. Get to know her symptoms and you'll be a more sensitive lover.

    When she starts to have an orgasm, for heaven's sakes, don't let go of that clit. Hang in there for the duration. When she starts to come down from the first orgasm, press your tongue along the underside of the clit, leaving your lips covering the top. Move your tongue in and out of her cunt. If your fingers are inside, move them a little too, gently though, things are extremely sensitive just now. If you play your cards right, you'll get some multiple orgasms this way. A woman stays excited for a full hour after she's had an orgasm.

    Do you realize the full impact of that information? The potential? One woman was clocked at 56 orgasms at one sitting. Do you know what effect you would have on a woman you gave 56 orgasms to? She'd be yours as long as you wanted her.

    The last advice I have for you is this: After you've made her come, made her your slave by giving her the best head she's ever had, don't leave her alone just yet. Talk to her, stroke her body, caress her breasts. Keep making love to her quietly until she's come all the way down.

    A man can get off and go to sleep in the same breath and feel no remorse, no sense of loss. But a woman by nature requires some sensitivity from her lover in those first few moments after sex. Oral sex can be the most exciting sexual experiences you can have. But it's what you make it. Take your time, practice often, pay attention to your lover's signals, and most of all, enjoy yourself.

  28. no no no by Forsh · · Score: -1

    For the last time man...

    Beat your friends ass for the following reasons:

    1. He lied to you

    2. Linsux is dying and not worth investment

    3. People who wear penguin spandex and burn Microsoft flags are zealots.

    4. Religous zealots should be beaten anyway.

    5. Linsux is dead.

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    I pwn you.
  29. Arbitrary formats by BlueFall · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is indeed very cool! Congrats to Rockbox!

    Lots of other people have mentioned that they want Ogg support on their player and a few others have pointed out the FAQ answer that says it's probably too hard to do on this device. What I would like to see is a portable device that can be easily extended to arbitrary formats. For example, my current audio format of choice is FLAC which has no portable hardware support (though there apparently is a car player that supports it -- rock!). I doubt that it will become very popular though, because it's a lossless codec and therefore must take up more room than lossy codecs. But that's beside the point -- if someone makes a new audio format that is truly cool and does some things that certain people like or want, it would be neat if you could carry around that music without custom hardware.

    Just a thought...

    1. Re:Arbitrary formats by cristofer8 · · Score: 1

      I have an old RCA Lyra that has no internal memory, just uses CF cards. Interestingly enough, the firmware doesn't support ANY media types at all. When you copy music to it, via Real Jukebox or WMP (it has plugins for both) it copies a small decoder program to the card as well. It takes it a little longer to start up as it has to load the decoder, and it only loads one decoder at a time, so playing a wma then an mp3 causes a delay, but it can theoretically play any format.

      However, I've never tried playing ogg vorbis on it, so I don't know if a similar decoder exists or if it's possible to write one. I would assume that it shouldn't be too difficult to add support for that or for FLAC.

    2. Re:Arbitrary formats by Bj�rn+Stenberg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We can play any format if only we can write code for the DSP to decode it. The MAS 3507 (and 3587) are generic DSPs that simply have MP3 codecs in ROM. We can download new codecs in them and I'm the first to hooray if we can get OGG or FLAC or anything into these DSPs.

      Unfortunately, we have no docs or tools for writing new MAS DSP code and Intermetall is very secretive about it. If anyone can help, please get in touch!

      The 12 MHz SH7034 CPU is unfortunately much too slow to handle decoding in software.

  30. Riovolt SP-250 by Warmth+Is+Life · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Does anyone have one of these? I'm wondering if there's any 3rd party firmware for them, Riovolt has been on version 1.01 for almost a year now.

    1. Re:Riovolt SP-250 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      dumbass read 2 fricken messages up!

    2. Re:Riovolt SP-250 by Warmth+Is+Life · · Score: 1

      Nevermind, sorry. This discussion is already taking place a little bit up.

    3. Re:Riovolt SP-250 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      up!

      Down, I sort "newest first" as god intended.

  31. Yes, there is in fact new firmware for the SP250 by DigitalHammer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, you can find the new firmware at the Diamond Multimedia FTP site. Its Version 2.00 BETA, with extra features such as a steroscope. Here's the link:

    ftp://ftp.diamondmm.com/pub/rio/riovolt/sp250/

    Download the "riovolt_sp250_200-firmware.exe" file (the firmware) and its corresonding text file (the readme explaining the new features). Note that in this version, some buttons will perform completely different actions than in the original firmware.

  32. kudos! by meatspray · · Score: 3, Informative

    just tried the mod out, works great on my Studio 20, of course the UI has quite a bit till it's up to the current archos build, but it's good to see someone making progress.

    the cool thing about these players it you don't have to actually flash the rom, they boot off of the internal rom for a second and immediately look for a file in the root for updates, if the file's not there they just continue to boot from hardware.

  33. That is a bunch of BS!!! by SHEENmaster · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I can understand a corporation wanting to keep their source code to themselves.

    I can understand a corporation wanting to keep their protocol documentation a secret from the public.

    I can even understand that a corporation may not want people replacing their firmware.

    But that is no &@$%ing excuse for reverse engineering to be illegal. If I buy a program, and it is delivered to me in binary format, I paid for it. They didn't give me the source code, but the binary is mine. Telling me that I can't read that binary myself, and that only my computer may read it is complete bullc*#$!!!!

    The execs haven't slapped the DMCA on these guys yet, and I am glad for that. I think that we should start buying archos to fool around with. But if they do slap the DMCA around, I think that would be a call for a good ol' fashion boycott (or boston archos party :-). We need to stand up for our rights, and if they are denied, we need to fight back with the only weapon available to us, our own money.

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    1. Re:That is a bunch of BS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are other weapons available. they just aren't as pleasant as money.

    2. Re:That is a bunch of BS!!! by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      The execs haven't slapped the DMCA on these guys yet, and I am glad for that. I think that we should start buying archos to fool around with. But if they do slap the DMCA around, I think that would be a call for a good ol' fashion boycott (or boston archos party :-). We need to stand up for our rights, and if they are denied, we need to fight back with the only weapon available to us, our own money.

      What are you talking about?

      I'm sure I'm going to look like the bad guy here... but can I point out that no one is going after anyone.

      If they did post the inner (trade) secrets of the Archos players then the DMCA could apply, but only if Archos gets mad at them.

      No need to worry, move along.

      Don't get militant over nothing...

    3. Re:That is a bunch of BS!!! by NeMon'ess · · Score: 2

      he's either karma whoring from moderators who don't understand this but figure it must be insightful, or he's trolling, ignore him.

  34. Re:Yes, there is in fact new firmware for the SP25 by Suppafly · · Score: 2

    thats not really a similar project at all considering its done by the company that produces the hardware and not an independant third party group producing firmware for a commercial device they did not manufactor and sell

  35. I KNEW IT by Forsh · · Score: -1

    All this time I had a feeling Linsux users were fags.

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  36. No way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys, I can't believe what a monumental task this must have been. Kudos to the team.

    Too bad they wasted their efforts on something so ghey. Almost as bad a Lun1sX!!!1~~~

  37. What exactly is the big deal? by ciurana · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I asked this myself before looking at the FAQ from the Rockbox site. Since the MP3 decoding is done in hardware, and (by the developers' own admission) Ogg Vorbis support is unlikely, I ask myself again: What's the big deal?

    Maybe it's the engineer in me, trying to look for a practical value in such an effort, but I don't see the point in reverse engineering a perfectly working piece of machinery that has a well-defined purpose: To play MP3 files. Since the hardware is proprietary, what's the point in getting slightly better software for it, when it's likely that the vendor will release a patch themselves?

    I believe that applying open source methods to software development must be done judiciously. The best times to do OSS is when the community at large will benefit greatly from the software produced, or when a vendor arbitrarily curtails some fundamental freedom in their software and we must find a workaround. I don't see either thing happening with this gadget. What's the advantage of going through all that trouble, when the alternative is probably a software patch or buying an iPod? Both options seem cheaper (time, $$) than hacking this little box. I honestly think that the developers could've made better use of their time.

    Cheers!

    E
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    1. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does using Ogg Vorbis instead of MP3 make you more Open Source Pure?

      Do you feel 1337 when you get to use Ogg instead of WMA?

    2. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a fun hack for them. What the point of going for a bike ride? You end up back at your home an hour or so later anyhow. What's accomplished?

    3. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Suppafly · · Score: 2

      if you read all of the faq, not just the ogg part, they list several improvements to the ui they would like to improve

    4. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by gehrehmee · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't speak for the original poster, but I feel dirty when I have to use WMA instead of Ogg.

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    5. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Raul+Acevedo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The big deal is new features like no pause between songs, mid-song resume, and other things. Archos will likely not ever support most, if not all, of those things.

      From the FAQ (also on the main page):

      Ok, forget about reality, what could we do with this?

      • All those simple mp3-play features we sometimes miss:
        • No pause between songs
        • Mid-song resume
        • Mid-playlist resume
        • No-scan playlists
        • Unlimited playlist size
        • Autobuild playlists (such as "all songs in this directory tree")
        • Auto-continue play in the next directory
        • Current folder and all sub-folder random play
        • Full disk random play
        • REAL random (if press back it goes to the previous song that was played)
        • Multi song queue (folder queue)
      • Faster scroll speed
      • Archos Recorder support. Most of the hardware is the same, but the display and some other things differ.
      • All kinds of cool features done from the wire remote control, including controlling your Archos from your car radio (req hw mod)
      • Ogg Vorbis support [unverified: the MAS is somewhat programmable, but enough?]
      • Support for megabass switch (req hw mod) [unverified: I just saw the DAC docs shows how to do it switchable. we need a free port pin to be able to switch]
      • Player control via USB [unverified]
      • Memory expansion? [doubtful: the current DRAM chip only has 10 address lines. we'd have to pull off one heck of a hw mod to expand that]
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    6. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iPod already does most of that...

    7. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Nugget · · Score: 5, Informative
      Yeah, the really big deal is that the stock firmware in the Archos is so abysmally crappy as to make the unit nearly unusable. It's tragically full of quirks and bugs and limitations.

      As an Archos 20 owner I find this project immensely encouraging and hope that it will soon be in a position to make this Archos unit of mine desirable. As it stands, I hardly use the thing because it's so frustrating.

      To quote from my epinions review:

      The unit is not without its frustrations, though. For instance, the only way to shuffle tracks in different directories is to create a playlist using the supplied Windows software. However, a playlist is limited to just 999 tracks. With 20Gb of space, 999 seems like a very short-sighted limit for playlisting. The first thing I wanted to do with the unit was to create an "all tracks" playlist in order to shuffle all the tracks. Can't be done. One positive note: The playlists are simply text files, one filename per line with relative pathing. A soon as I figured that out, I ditched the visually-appealing but typically unstable windows MusicMatch software supplied with the unit.

      The front-panel user interface is even worse. You can tell this thing was designed by the programmers. Even though it does what it needs, the designers seemed to choose the least obvious, most cumbersome route to each feature. The insanity of having to press right and left on the navigation disk to scroll up and down through the setup menus is just the beginning.

    8. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by pacc · · Score: 2

      At first I was a bit sad that I owned the Creative DAP (Nomad) instead of this, but then I might have been turned off by these shortcomings.

      Whenever these guys are ready with the basic functionality that should have been there in the first place, I'd suggest these features:
      * HW-mod and SW to emulate various car CDchangers
      * SID support (20GB of these babes)

      Maybe the Creative Nomad Jukebox hacking project has made progress until then, but it's currently hacking the chip firmware itself and replacing that would probably leave you without a filesystem - the Archos project seems to have avoided that.

    9. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Bj�rn+Stenberg · · Score: 2

      Why not help us?

      Car CD changers are very simple to handle in software, but we naturally can't do the hardware ourselves since we don't have the head units.

      SID support is perhaps possible. The main bottleneck is that we must encode the sound data as mp3 before feeding it to the sound chip. Unless, that is, someone manages to write a new DSP codec to play uncompressed PCM data.

    10. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by CaseyB · · Score: 2
      REAL random (if press back it goes to the previous song that was played)

      That means it's a deterministic pseudorandom order, the exact opposite of "REAL random".

    11. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Ageless · · Score: 2

      This is the exact difference between a hacker, which these guys obviously are, and a "developer". A hacker does something because it intrigues them. In many cases it doesn't need to be done, or doesn't benefit anyone (although I personally think this project does) but the hacker wants to learn and experiment.

      This project is the very definition of hacker.

    12. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by NeMon'ess · · Score: 2

      You are correct that a non-repeating random play is not really random. Keeping track of the order songs have played in does not affect the randomness of it. I'm guessing that like my Iomega HipZip (which I don't recommend anyone buy), it will not remember the last song played on random mode.

    13. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      Well, of course it's not REAL random, the unit contains nothing like a radioactive rnd-generator... But, I think what they mean is that you have "random with history", so that what plays is pseudorandom, not just a shuffled list. A song can be played twice in a row by coincidence.

      What I'd like more is weighted random, for instance: If I listen to an entire song instead of skipping it, that song is more likely to be played again. This would probably call for modification to the playlist format though, storing the "points" or whatever for each song. Excuse crappy English. My $/50

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    14. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by WNight · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I feel like my collection might be worth something in the future. It's not unreasonable that WMAs will eventually only be playable in WMP. MS leaned on WinAmp to disable the play-to-file feature for WMA files. When do they lean on them to stop playing them completely?

      Besides, I tried some blind testing (recorded some samples, had a friend randomzie the order and play them to me) and I picked the CD and the Ogg, I complained that a ton of detail was lost in most of the sample, which turned out to be all the MP3s up to 256VBR, which was as high as I went.

      Even the 56k Ogg kept most of the detail. At 112k the Ogg was undistinguishable from the CD in almost everything.

      This was using a fairly decent sound card (SB Live, not great, but not as crap as some) and $90 ear buds that sound better than anything else I've ever owned, speaker, headphone, or otherwise.

      So I have a real reason to use Ogg and I'd like to see the format be supported in such a way that makes it usable in the future.

    15. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Xerithane · · Score: 2

      The front-panel user interface is even worse. You can tell this thing was designed by the programmers. Even though it does what it needs, the designers seemed to choose the least obvious, most cumbersome route to each feature. The insanity of having to press right and left on the navigation disk to scroll up and down through the setup menus is just the beginning.

      That's funny.. I really like the interface. I can switch through things quickly without looking at the display. Course.. I am a programmer :)

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    16. Re:What exactly is the big deal? by Carpathius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know, I'm really tired of people telling me 'The iPod already does that'.

      It probably does. I don't know. But when I bought my Archos, there *was* no iPod. Further, while the Archos plays MP3s, it's also a general use portable disk drive. Add to that the fact that I can upgrade the internal drive to whatever the current laptop drive technology will hold and I've got a unit equal to the iPod. At least.

      I only miss two things on my Archos: resume from a playlist and whole device shuffle mode.

      Maybe the iPod is better. I really don't care. I own the Archos and while I'd like those two features, I'm not going to buy a new device for them.

      So, the big deal is this: An open source OS has been created for a relatively inexpensive hard disk based MP3 player.

      While that OS may not, as yet, be fully functional, given the history of like projects, I believe that this OS has the potential to be the *best* MP3 player on the market. If you aren't interested, that's fine. If you love your iPod, that's fine. But the Archos, at about $160 for a five gig player, is still an impressive product, and with a great OS, it'd be even better.

      Sean.

  38. um .... by Forsh · · Score: -1

    ..its for your health dumbass, you know cardio? oh that right you are a linsux haX0r, you dont know what exercise is...

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  39. Re:Yes, there is in fact new firmware for the SP25 by Warmth+Is+Life · · Score: 1

    No news on 3rd party firmware though? I posted the exact same question, so I'm sure there's enough interest to justify such a project.

  40. Re:rockbox-1.0.tar.gz part2 by Drunken+Coward · · Score: -1

    fuck this slashcode keeps borking the funny characters

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  41. Nope by Arker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Isn't there some sort of torque problem that needs to be addressed with these hard drive-based devices? Have they engineered the things so that they don't twitch in your backpack?

    Actually if you understood elementary physics you'd not have asked that. The platters are gyros, the effect is not a twitch, but actually a slight resistance to being moved. They do, of course, 'twitch' very slightly when the power is turned on.

    The real problem is that it's difficult to make the other parts move as close to those platters as they need to, without being so close they 'crash' into the platters when you bump something.

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    1. Re:Nope by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

      So in your flaming, you go on to answer exactly my question with an affirmative. Yes, they twitch. Now the question is whether the drives spin all the time resulting in simply an increase in inertia or whether they also spin up and down like most modern drives.

      So yes they twitch and that issue hasn't been resolved (by using non-spinning storage media). Thank you for your answer.

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    2. Re:Nope by madenosine · · Score: 1

      who cares if it twiches slightly as you turn it on? i mean its basically negligible

    3. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Yeah, your reply wasn't very nice, jerkoffmaster.

    4. Re:Nope by Animats · · Score: 2
      Avoiding head crashes on mobile hard drives is a tough problem, but it's not a gyroscopic problem. It's high-frequency vibration and shocks that cause problems. There are two main problems - avoiding head crashes, which is a head mounting design problem, and detecting loss of tracking before messing up the disk during recording. Some drives have accelerometers to detect (and even compensate) for external forces on the positioner.

      Gyroscopic action was much more of a problem with tape devices like the original Walkman. Early portable tape players used counter-rotating flywheels, to get a flywheel effect independent of outside motion. Late ones went to the other extreme, and used lightweight capstan drives with shaft encoders and active speed control.

    5. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What kind of a pansy-ass wilting daisy pencil-necked weakling geek are you, that a 2 ounce platter spinning can knock you on your pathetic skinny ass?

      How do you manage to walk upright without the massive coriolis forces of the earth's rotation constantly flinging you to the ground?

    6. Re:Nope by jim3e8 · · Score: 1

      Actually if you understood elementary physics you'd not have asked that. The platters are gyros

      Mmm... gyro platters. ;)

    7. Re:Nope by kesuki · · Score: 2

      You are correct that the backpack isn't twitching, but rather being slightly stabalized by the gyroscopic forces. However, to an average college student, the slight stabilization effect of carrying a spinning HD inside a backpack would make it seem to twitch with every step. This is because the student is actually forcing the gyroscopically stablized backpack into an irregular path by walking. The iPod as mentioned features a PC-Card form Factor HD, instead of a laptop, or conventional drive used in most other HD based mp3 players, thus giving it an advantage over the others. It seems to twitch less because the platter is too small to generate enough gyroscopic forces to stablize the mass of a backpack.
      Clearly the only solution to this problem is to use a platter that lacks enough mass to cause any human-noticable gyroscopic forces.

  42. FUCK GAY NIGGERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

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  43. EUCD == European DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Sweden is a member of the European Union, and the EU has issued a directive.

    1. Re:EUCD == European DMCA by Metrollica · · Score: -1

      As I recall, Sweden was pictured as a Penis on the Euro. And one more thing, try not to be taken in by any fraudulent Euro coins.

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    2. Re:EUCD == European DMCA by at_18 · · Score: 2

      An EU directive is not effective in a member state, until that state makes it a local law. Thus the European DMCA is not effective yet.

  44. You obviously dont own one by Monkelectric · · Score: 2

    The big deal is hopefully they can fix the bugs that archos is unable / unwilling to fix. And here is that bug: The damn think skips *all* the time ... even when it's stationary. Sometimes with CBR mp3's, but all the time with VBR mp3s. They have some workarounds, but they dont work, I know its not my player because all my friends who have one complain about the same damn thing. Other then that one HUGE problem its really a great little device

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    1. Re:You obviously dont own one by Nex · · Score: 0

      I feel for you. I use the AJBR20 and she never Ever skips. I play 320 cbrs all the time with nary a burp.

      Apparently earlier models had problems with high bitrate files from what I can glean from the forums. Fixed. Nex

    2. Re:You obviously dont own one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I too have the skipping problem. When I bought the thing one of the big selling points was the large anti-skip buffer. Riiiight. The thing skips sitting on the seat of my truck riding down a four lane highway.

      Oh, yeah, it also crashes (the Archos, not my truck). A lot. Thing just freezes up for a few minutes.

      Rewinding/fast forwarding sucks -- half the time it skips to the next song instead of just ff through the current song (I know, it's a feature).

      And that "remote" that comes with the expansion kit? Doesn't work, never did, never will.

  45. Wonderful! Soo... by binarytoaster · · Score: 1

    now can we PLEASE have OGG support? :)

    1. Re:Wonderful! Soo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you actually read the article or the other posts on this?

    2. Re:Wonderful! Soo... by scrote-ma-hote · · Score: 1

      It's been pointed out before, but I'll say it again. Read the FAQ Question 17. It will explain all.

    3. Re:Wonderful! Soo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Ogg is so subpar in audio and not standardized it's sickening. You open source 'gurus' make me want to hurl with your absolute adhearance and religious belief in things not made by someone who asks for payment for their work.

  46. Reverse engineered *and* disassembled? by small_dick · · Score: 2

    Surely it cannot be both. Disassembly of proprietary code and rewriting same is not legal, is it?

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    1. Re:Reverse engineered *and* disassembled? by KFury · · Score: 2

      If Archos tried to sue they'd have to show damages, which would be difficult since all this does is make their own product better.

      Archos's interface for the PJB was atrocious, I mean really, really bad. Forget that they lied to me when they sold it to me, telling me there would be a firmware update to allow recording (the unit has an audio in jack that is forever worthless), but they didn't have anyone desing the software, just build it.

      It sucks, and that's the reason this thing has been in a drawer of mine for the last year. Sure now I have an iPod, but this firmware update will get me to give the Jukebox another try as a supplimentary device, but certainly not for Archos's sake.

    2. Re:Reverse engineered *and* disassembled? by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      I guess you are referring to the clean-room type reverse engineering you use int he professoional world?

      For those that don't know, this involoves.
      1) one team of people reverse engineers the software down to a specification on paper.
      2) This team gives this to a lawyer or something
      3) A totally different team with no connection to the first team is given the spec and implements it.
      This is totally, completely legal. Nobody is copying anything.

      The reason it's done this way is so there can be no doubt as to whether anything was 'copied'. If the same engineer worked on both sides of the project, it is possible to cast doubt as to whether he maybe 'cut some corners' or what not.

      That doesn't mean it's illegal for one person to do it.

    3. Re:Reverse engineered *and* disassembled? by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      If Archos tried to sue they would have to show copyright infringement before they could show damages.

      That woudl mean they would have to show that code was actually copied verbatim.

      Ripping something down to a spec and re-implementing it is legal, and is NOT copyright infringement.

    4. Re:Reverse engineered *and* disassembled? by edrugtrader · · Score: 2

      they did update it to allow recording... you just need the version of the jukebox with a record button.

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    5. Re:Reverse engineered *and* disassembled? by KFury · · Score: 2

      "If Archos tried to sue they would have to show copyright infringement before they could show damages."

      Sorry, but you're wrong. There are all kinds of intellectual property infringements that have nothing to do with copyright. there are those having to do with patent, trademark, or trade secrets, none of which involve the direct copying of source code.

      We're not talking about copying someone's book or CD. IP law is a little more complex than that.

  47. whoa whoa WHOA! slow down! by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slow down there big boy! Not a single one of those has actually been implemented! Calling this thing v1.0 is really misleading. These guys are like Microsoft, yeah, they got 1.0 out the door, call me when they get 3.11 for Workgroups, k?

    They complain about the shuffle. Dandy, everyone knows that no matter how good an Archos product is, the shuffle is fucking ridiculous. Archos wouldn't know what random is if random bit them in the bloody ass. But Rockbox doesn't even have a shuffle feature yet! And if they do, it's not mentioned in the release notes or available via the menu.

    I'm sure these guys will do something great with this project, but call me when they add even one of the features on that list.

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  48. Reverse Engineering == trouble by spaten-optimator · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just hope the Archos legal dept. isn't friends with the people over at Blizzard, or they might just pull out that DMCA whore and trick it out. I smell another bnetd.

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    1. Re:Reverse Engineering == trouble by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 4, Informative
      "I smell another bnetd."

      I don't. Since Archos is selling the hardware, it's doubtful that it's worth the time and effort to pursue a claim. In the bnetd case, on the other hand, people were using an off-shoot of the software to play pirated copies of the Warcraft 3 beta.

      Furthermore, this project has nothing to do with bypassing a copy protection device. That's the major part of the DMCA that most people seem to be worried about, and it just doesn't apply. Even better, the DMCA explicitly allows reverse engineering for interoperability purposes.

    2. Re:Reverse Engineering == trouble by shepd · · Score: 1

      >Furthermore, this project has nothing to do with bypassing a copy protection device.

      Just wait until an offshoot of this software lets you bypass the DRM on WMA files.

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    3. Re:Reverse Engineering == trouble by flink · · Score: 1

      This player supports vanilla mp3s only.

  49. Beowulf, cato cez by Cryptopotamus · · Score: -1

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these.

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  50. Costs - was:Mirror (just in case) by rusty0101 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You will have to look pretty hard for a jukbox6000, I don't think they are on the market any more. Check E-bay. Considering one of it's capabilities is a 6G USB hard drive, street value is proably under $200 now.

    My recollection is that I saw a Studio, or Recorder version with a 20G drive for approx $350 last month at either Micro Center, or CompUSA. BestBuy currently has the Archos Jukbox Recorder 20, listed at $319 (my purchase price was listed at $299 when I put it in my cart) URL is http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11101124&m=488 &cat=538&scat=539

    Prices apparently have come down. BestBuy also has the recorder in a 10G capacity, so you might find that workable instead. Price given for that is $259. Free shipping on all portable mp3 players.

    Then again, I have relatives who either do or have worked for BestBuy. If you can find a better price somewhere else, and I think you probably can, go get it at the better price.

    -Rusty

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  51. This is not the DMCA. (Re:That is a bunch of BS!!) by KFury · · Score: 2

    Even if they posted trade secrets, the DMCA wouldn't apply. Other intellectual property laws would apply, but not the DMCA. To be clear, reverse engineering is still legal, except where the intent of the referse engineering is to circumvent a copy protection or content access management control mechanism. Sunce Archos has nothing to do with e-books, SDMI, or any other access rights mechanism, anyone bandying about DMCA violations needs to learn the difference between the law and the latest meme.

  52. Silly maccie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jukebox came before iPod. Apple made a copy, it does less, but costs more. You maccies just can't deal with this recurring syndrome, can you?

    Aaah, but it's SHINY, I know.

    1. Re:Silly maccie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does the Archos Jukebox do that the iPod doesn't, besides being large?

    2. Re:Silly maccie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      Mmmm, you know, I'd much rather spend 20 minutes or whatever transferring my mp3's to the archos using USB (and only the latest models use USB 2.0 and even then it's gonna cost you extra as most PCs out there don't have USB 2.0) than 20 seconds on the ipod... NOT.

      I really want something that looks like a brick, feels like a brick and is probably about as easy to use as a command line prompt... NOT

      And, I hate to say this but, which company bothered to produce the first windowing personal computer and who copied that, Hmm?. Which company was years ahead with palm based devices only to eventually be eclipsed by an inferior copy, Hmm? Which company is leading the way in video editing for the masses with easy to use and freely available software which everyone is now trying to copy (or even not bothering 'cos they know they can't do it as well), Hmm? I'll answer for you as your brain has probably siezed by now... Apple!

      You PCphiles just can't accept a company that innovates can you? And as for the iPod being a copy, you show me another mp3 player that's the same size and costs less and I may take you seriously.

      When will you anti-macophiles get the picture that cost isn't everything. Sometimes people want things that actually work and do what they're supposed to do?

    3. Re:Silly maccie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you fit an Archos Jukebox into your pocket? I'm not talking about large puffy cargo-pants pockets, I'm talking about tight-jeans pants pockets.

      Wake me up when you can.

    4. Re:Silly maccie by stalbott972 · · Score: 1

      Actually I do this on occasion so yes you can. And No I'm not talking about cargo pants. I'm talking about blue jeans, and occasionaly walking shorts.

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    5. Re:Silly maccie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, I hate to say this but, which company bothered to produce the first windowing personal computer and who copied that, Hmm?.

      Xerox did. And apple copied it. Steve Job's visits to PARC are well-known. No wonder you hated to say it.

      Which company was years ahead with palm based devices only to eventually be eclipsed by an inferior copy, Hmm?

      Go Computing, but I don't think that they were "eclipsed" by the Newton, since it's difficult to be eclipsed by a gigantic brick that was only used by five people, none of whom could get its handwriting recognition to work.

      Which company is leading the way in video editing for the masses with easy to use and freely available software which everyone is now trying to copy

      Duh, Adobed. Wait, freely available? You mean after you pay $2,500 for a new Mac, they give you software for free? Wow! It's a good thing I can buy five new, top-of-the-line PCs for the price of your "free" video editing program.

      (or even not bothering 'cos they know they can't do it as well),

      Yeah, god forbid anyone do as well as Apple. Err, I mean NeXT, since that's what they are now, right? I mean NeXTStep^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HOS X and WebObjects...what has apple even done in the last 10 years? Why did they require an outside company to come up with a usable OS?

      Oh wait, they were to busy "innovating" the apple crash screens to come up with things like multiprocessing and memory protection.

      Hmm? I'll answer for you as your brain has probably siezed by now... Apple!

      Ah yes, the failure of the decade. Call me when you have more than a 2% share of the PC market.

    6. Re:Silly maccie by Archvillain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What does the Archos Jukebox do that the iPod doesn't, besides being large?

      1) It has a digital output for my home theatre system.
      2) It records in real time. Recording from either a) its internal mic, b) analogue line-in/external mic, or c) digital input.
      3) It offers many times the storage, and is upgradable. (Mine is 30gig, others have more). 10 gig is simply insufficient for many people's purposes.
      4) It costs less.
      5) It works in the field - you can take it camping, etc, because you can carry spare batteries for it if you're not going to have access to a powersource to recharge it.
      6) Mac AND PC support.

      It's as ugly as the ipod though (but I'm going to case-mod mine and fix that).

      That said, I wouldn't be surprised if, in a year or two when the ipod (or its descendants) gets decent capacity and more features, that I'll buy one. The ipod is good, it's just not suited to me. Not yet, anyway.

    7. Re:Silly maccie by Archvillain · · Score: 1

      Can you fit an Archos Jukebox into your pocket? I'm not talking about large puffy cargo-pants pockets, I'm talking about tight-jeans pants pockets.

      I'm over 6 foot, weigh about 135 (ie tall and THIN), typically wear TIGHT jeans, and not only does the archos fit in easily, it not often even noticable that there is anything in the pocket.

      But that doesn't mean smaller wouldn't be better, it's just that there currently isn't anything smaller that offers equivalent functionaliy in the areas that are important to me.

      My question is - why on earth do people buy Creative Nomads?!?

      :-)

    8. Re:Silly maccie by Steve+B · · Score: 2
      It works in the field - you can take it camping, etc, because you can carry spare batteries for it if you're not going to have access to a powersource to recharge it.


      True, sort of. The one thing I really don't like about the Archos line is the design of the battery compartments -- replacing the AA NiMHs is possible, but the covers and catches clearly aren't designed for doing so as a matter of routine use.

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    9. Re:Silly maccie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't do this; I have a giant penis, and no arms. :(

  53. Puhhhh by Metrollica · · Score: -1

    As if any of the cock strokers on /. are going to need to know how to perform cunniligus.

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    --Metrollica
  54. ouch by ElCagado · · Score: -1

    my penis hurts. i used it to assault an old man and take all his money. then i went home and hooked it up to my hax0red Lego Mindstorms and used it to shock the hair off my balls. yowza! my penis hurts

  55. How to be a Nigga by Metrollica · · Score: -1

    - Slink around, shuffling your feet and bobbing your neck like the lazy retard you are.
    - Walk down the middle of the street because you don't know what a sidewalk is for.
    - Hang out at carwashes and mini-marts because everybody knows these are the best places to be a dope, I mean dope.
    - If you're a nigger bitch, shit three nigger babies into the world before 17 years of age. This assures that welfare money will support you, so your nigger men have more time to commit crimes. Oh yes, make sure each nigger baby has a different father.
    - Bastardize the English language in the name of nigger culture. Make sure that several terms have multiple meanings and others have ambiguous meanings and that only 50% of nigger words are even complete words. Real niggers will know what you're trying to say.
    - As a culture, make sure there are always more bucks in prison than in college at any given time.
    - Hang out in packs of 10 to 15 and make sure everyone acts as annoying as possible. This helps to promote nigger individuality.
    - Always talk loud enough so everyone in the 'hood' can fucking hear you, and if they are niggers, they will know what your saying, bro.
    - Wear clothes that are 10 sizes too big, making sure the pants hang off your ass. Also huge pants facilitate stealing (let me translate that: "it be easier to lift dat 'box at the Kmart, homes"). If you have to hold them up while you walk, it only looks badder.
    - Park at least 5 junk cars in your yard while being careful not to use the driveway. It's OK to abandon them in the street as long as it's in front of someone else's crib.
    - Exaggerate every motion, every tonal inflection and grab your dick a lot. Have red carpet, blue walls, brass and overstuffed furnishings (all rented), purple bathrooms and keep all windows covered so that no light can enter and no cops can see in while you...
    - Do drugs, sell drugs, make drugs.
    - Turn your backyard into a junk yard. If you don't have a backyard, turn your mother's into a junk yard. Eliminate every blade of grass.
    - Travel around leaching off relatives, friends, salvation armies. Abandon your children with them also.
    - Smack your kids and yell at them a lot. Make them feel less than human and that they have no future, which they don't because they're niggers like you.
    - Drink cheap wine and malt liquor every day, forgetting that "malt liquor" is just fortified cheap beer.
    - If you're a nigger buck: fuck anything that moves, no matter how ugly she is. After two eight-balls, even the ugliest, fattest nigger bitch will look good.
    - Be charitable and covet fat, ugly white chicks. After all, they're niggers too. They can't help being so undesirable to white men that they have to fraternize with black dudes on a 20/20 trip. And white ho's are a special trophy too, especially the not so ugly ones.
    - Spray paint everything in sight with scribbles that mean nothing to White people but mean things to fellow niggers (except niggers from another hood who will probably try to kill you for tresspassing on their turf)
    - Use the term "motherfucker" in every sentence. It's one of the most versatile words in the nigger language, being a noun, verb, adjective and complete mini-sentence in event you run out of thoughts.
    - Stop in the middle of the street, blocking all traffic to converse with fellow niggers and have complete disregard for everyone else.
    - Delay everybody at the checkouts while you and 3 other dudes fumble around for the $1.42 for the bottle of Magnum.
    - Clog isles at Kmart with strollers, bastard kids and your fat selves. If you're a cashier, never look at or be cordial to a customer and always talk to other niggers while you ring up the customer.
    - Overcharge customers at Taco Bell and pocket the difference.
    - Drive your car while slouched so low that you can barely see over the wheel (gangsta drivin').
    - Get a job under affirmative action. Then sit around all day pretending that you earned the position and that the other co
    -workers respect you. Whenever you fuck up, scream "racism!" & hope you get enough Generation X liberals in the jury.
    - Never, I mean NEVER, take any responsibility for your actions. Always blame others including Asians, Latinos, Mexicans, and especially Whites for your sorry ass stupid lives.
    - Advertise your "nation" (gang) with a bewildering array of colors that mean nothing to any one but other nig's. Oh yes, if another nig violates your "nation" i.e. garbage strewn empty lots and burned out tenements, shoot their ass.
    - Look for identity in murderous criminal gangs when you can't find it in broken nigger homes because your mother was a 15 year old cokewhore and your father is in jail doing 5 to 15 for pistol whipping a mini-mart cashier.
    - Be all concerned with east/west connections, cellular phones, beepers, drive by's and other trivial bullshit that Whites will never understand anything about (what's to understand?)
    - Lament ghetto gang life while at the same time...
    - Listen to rap "music", which glorifies "gangsta" life, crime, drugs, murder, early death, oppression of women. Rip off other legit music to fabricate rap music which probably takes an engineering degree to "write" (because of the technical know-how to operate the machines) while not requiring any music talent at all. Then get some young criminal scum to perform it, after changing his name to something stupid like Snoopy Dog. Spell the name of the group with phonetics and use a number in it because nig's really like that. At least rap is an opportunity, e.g. for young black criminals to further their criminal careers. Rap needs only four things to be successful: a producer, a promoter, a front-man flunky, and MTV to shove it down our throats. Be sure to say absolutely nothing important during the 5 pages of dialogue in a given rap joint other than "look at how much of a nigger I can be." Then roll a joint in the joint and think about the joint while stylin' to the joint.
    - Show other lame-ass races the black race is unique by having a culture/lifestyle that results in diseases/poverty/birth rates for blacks consistently rising while it falls for the others.
    - Fear and loathing of dogs is set in the genes for nig's. Of course bigotry against blacks is set into the genes of dogs. So be sure to get a dog, tie it up in the cold and mud and neglect it until it dies. Then start all over again.
    - Always have ten excuses involving hospitals for why you can't pay your bill. When or if you finally settle up, pull out a big wad of bills out of the welfare check to do it. Cash must be used because you long ago fucked up your credit and checking account.
    - Cram 5 generations into a two room government apartment and still be able to neglect your kids.
    - Die young. The #1 cause of death for nigger males between 15 and 30 is murder.

    --



    --Metrollica
  56. Re:This is not the DMCA. (Re:That is a bunch of BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish we'd call it "analysis" or "research".

    Reverse engineering is starting to take on a negative connotation, like "hacker" did. The "Reverse" thing sounds, retrograde, sinister, unconventional, at odds with the status quo.

  57. Firmware is scrambled? by safiire · · Score: 0

    From the site:
    The archos.mod file is scrambled, but luckily not using encryption.

    Each data byte is inverted and ROLed 1 bit. The data is then spread over four memory segments. The two least significant bits of the address is used as segment number and the rest as offset in the segment. So, basically:

    * segment number = address % 4
    * segment offset = address / 4
    * segment length = imgsize / 4

    A 6-byte header is added to the beginning of the scrambled image:

    * 32 bit length (big-endian)
    * 16 bit checksum


    The Rockbox people have written and made available a descrambler/scrambler for it.
    How is this any different from the DECSS program that is illegal? Not that I really think DECSS should be illegal, but this seems to be near the same to me. Why isn't this deemed encryption, even if it's not a really hard tough form of encryption?

    1. Re:Firmware is scrambled? by safiire · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I wish that I wasn't thrown in the same boat as these people that are posting CmdrTaco porn stories. On my first post I submitted to the wrong story and got Offtopic. Now with my -1 Karma, everything I post gets put to score 0, so can't even be heard. Any moderators that notice the parent, if you think it's not total crap, I could use some help in getting my karma back up to 0.

    2. Re:Firmware is scrambled? by Bj�rn+Stenberg · · Score: 2

      The difference is that the purpose of the CSS scrambling is to prevent you from reading the files on the DVD and save them on another disk (or play them in an "unauthorized" player). CSS is thereby a copy protection scheme, which DMCA forbids circumventing.

      The purpose of Archos' scrambling is obviously not to prevent copying, since the files are very much copyable, and Archos themselves freely distribute the files on the Internet. Thus, descrambling it does not circumvent a copy protection scheme.

  58. since you are posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    ill add you to the list on whacking off to low quality photoshops

    shiznit

  59. How CmdrTaco met his wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    This story takes place back in the late 1990's. I was 25y/o and married at
    the time. I met Kathleen through my best friend, Jeff Bates. (You all know him as Hemos)
    She was about my age. Tall for a woman, about 5'9" or 5' 10". With shoulder length, dark brown,
    hair and deep brown eyes. She probably weighed about 135# (I didn't ask).
    Though I couldn't see much of her through her loose fitting blue jeans and
    flannel shirt, there was no question in my mind that she was female. And,
    appeared to be a damn good looking one too. So, I was a little surprised
    when she told me, right up front, that she was a pre-op transsexual. I
    consider myself a liberal thinker, so I just accepted the fact and let it
    go at that.

    I introduced her to my wife,Barb, and they hit it off right away. We all
    soon became very good friends. In fact, a short while later, Kathleen ended up
    staying with us for a while. It was a convenient arrangement. Because I was
    working 2nd shift and, Kathleen, was working days. My wife wasn't working at
    the time.

    I should mention that the sex life between my wife and me was virtually
    nonexistent (she's now my ex, by the way). However, I never had sexual
    thoughts about Kathleen. I liked her, and enjoyed her company, but I guess I
    just could never get past the fact that she had male parts.

    All of that changed dramatically one Saturday afternoon. I had gone out to
    run some errands. My wife had gone to visit her parents in another town for
    the weekend. When I arrived home the house seemed empty. As I passed by the
    patio doors I saw Kathleen lying on a blanket, on her back, sunning herself.
    She was wearing bikini bottoms and no top.

    I guess I'd never really looked at her before. Not like I was seeing her
    now. She was stunningly beautiful. With long smooth shapely legs, a very
    sexy curvaceous body, and her breasts were not too big and not too small. I
    guess the word would be perky. I couldn't believe the vision of loveliness
    I was looking at. If I didn't already know it, I never would've guessed
    that there was a penis under those bikini bottoms.

    I was in the kitchen when Kathleen came into the house (she had her top on
    now). She walked by me casually and said, "Hi, Rob, I didn't know you
    were home." I said nothing, but tried to hide my hardon as I watched that,
    definitely female, ass walk by. She went into the bathroom and I heard the
    shower turn on. All through dinner, I could not get the vision of Kathleen on
    the patio out of my mind.

    Later we sat around watching TV, chatting and having a few drinks. Kathleen
    was dressed in a short miniskirt and light blouse that showed off her
    luscious long legs and curvaceous body. If I didn't know better I'd have
    sworn she was trying to tease me.

    During the conversation she said, "You know, Rob, I've always found you
    to be a very attractive man. After I have my surgery, I'd like to come back
    & bed you down." I don't know if it was the drinks, the fact that I hadn't
    had sex in months (other than Rosy Palm and her four sisters), or the
    combination of both.

    But, I was getting some pretty strange thoughts regarding Kathleen. I guess
    she must've read my mind, because she then said, "actually, if you'd like,
    we don't have to wait." As she was speaking she kind of strolled over to
    where I was sitting, knelt down between my spread legs and began to unzip
    my pants. I made no move to resist as she reached in and extracted my
    rapidly stiffening cock. I've never actually measured myself, and don't
    consider myself all that big. Kathleen, however, was mumbling something about
    how big it was just before she wrapped her luscious lips around the head
    and sucked the shaft completely into her hot wet mouth... I was in heaven
    feeling her warm wet, definitely female, mouth moving up and down on my
    throbbing boner.

    I was thinking that I wasn't going to be able to hold out very long if she
    kept that up. She stopped her mouth action (which greatly disappointed me)
    and stood up. She took me by the hand and led me to her bedroom. Watching
    her sexy ass lead the way, I had lost all resistance at this point. As she
    sat me on the bed and began removing my clothing, I nervously commented
    that I'd never done it with anyone with a dick before. To which she
    replied, "don't think of it as a dick. Think of it as an oversized
    clitoris."

    After she'd removed my clothes, she stood and began undressing, with her
    back to me. I laid there with a raging boner as I stared at her gorgeous
    body and luscious ass. When she turned around I got my first look at her
    penis. It actually was, not much more than an oversized clit. It was about
    1 or 2 inches long, hard. It actually resemble the penis of a very young
    child. But, I didn't think about that at the time.

    Kathleen laid on the bed beside me and began to suck my steel hard rod again,
    as I rubbed her tits and that smooth firm, perfectly shaped, bubble butt.

    After a few minutes of sucking, she reached into her night stand and
    brought out a tube of lubricant. As she was rubbing my fat cock with the
    slippery substance and saying, "I want you inside me," it suddenly dawned
    on me that, that beautiful ass I'd been admiring so much was where I was
    about to stick my hard cock! I'd never experienced anal sex before.

    Kathleen laid on her stomach and offered her ass to me saying, "I like it from
    behind. Lay on my back and fuck my male pussy." I needed no more
    encouragement. I rolled over onto her back and felt her reach between us,
    take hold of my throbbing member and place the head at her opening. I
    pushed steadily and firmly. Feeling her butthole open up and accept the
    head of my male offering. It was the tightest, hottest sensation I've ever
    felt, as her male pussy engulfed my hard throbbing meat.

    As we fell into a steady rhythm, I could feel her asshole tighten as I
    withdrew and loosen as I impaled her, It was the most wonderful sensation
    I've ever felt. As I was steadily fucking Kathleen's ass, she was saying
    things like, "God yes! Fuck my ass! Oh God, this feels so good! It's been
    so long since I've been fucked by a real man! Fuck me! Fuck me hard!"
    These words only served to drive me on, and fuck her as hard as I could. By
    now I had my hands underneath her, mauling her luscious tits. Pinching her
    nipples, and slamming my cock into her ass at a furious pace.

    Suddenly she began to scream, "Oh my God! I'm gonna cum. You're gonna make
    cum this way! Fuck me! Fuck me! Make me cum! Please don't stop! Make me
    cum!" Then I felt her ass contract around my cock several times in rapid
    succession. This pushed me over the edge. I grunted something like, "I'm
    gonna cum in your ass!" To which she replied, "Yes! Cum deep in my ass! I
    want your cum in me!"

    That did it! I slammed all the way into her. My whole body stiffened as I
    shot several volleys of my hot juice deep into her bowels.

    After we had both come down from our orgasmic high, we cuddled and talked
    awhile. She told me that no-one had ever, actually, made her cum while
    fucking her before. We slept together the rest of the weekend.

    I learned that my wife and Kathleen had conspired to arrange this so that
    Kathleen and I could both have an avenue for our sexual needs, and my wife
    wouldn't be bothered by me unless she wanted to be. Which was almost
    never. Don't get me wrong. I knew that my wife loved me. She just didn't
    like sex.

    Kathleen moved away about a year after that. To take a job where she could
    make enough money to complete her transition. We eventually lost contact
    with each other. My wife and I also eventually drifted apart, but it had
    nothing to do with Kathleen.

    I don't know if she ever completed the change or not. However, my
    relationship with Kathleen forever changed my life and the way I look at
    things.

    It awakened the latent bisexuality in me, and taught me to enjoy the
    pleasures of both sexes. I will always love her for it.

  60. CmdrTaco's crazy life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It was another hot sticky evening. I live in a small town of around 20,000
    people...very rural driven, with lots of farms surrounding the town. I was
    driving home from work, when I parked up on the lakefront to eat my
    McDonalds. I'm 21 years old, am straight, slim with a nice tan. I don't
    work out ever, but I look healthy.

    It was late on the summer's evening...around 9pm...and as usual, there were the
    "boyracers" parked up in the same car park. These guys are mostly 15 -- 18
    year olds still at school. They wear all the labels, are typically jocks,
    and have sexy cars which are lowered, have loud stereo's, tinted windows and
    spoilers. There were around 20 cars...all with these teens boozing and doing
    drugs. I was wearing my jeans and a t-shirt, and they were mostly wearing
    singlets, khakis trousers, baseball caps and sunglasses. There was only one
    car park -- between 1 sexy black car and a lowered wagon with tinted windows.
    I sat there eating my food, but I couldn't help look at the guys next to
    me. They had muscled arms, sexy tans, were mostly clean shaven, and they
    were all blonde -- except for one black guy. I had a boner just looking at
    them, which I was gently rubbing between by jeans. Suddenly someone yelled
    out "hey look this guys a fag -- he's rubbing himself". Suddenly 4 other
    teens came over to my car. The black guy grabbed my arm through the window
    (which was wound down). "you fag...you want some?". I didn't know what to
    say.

    "get out" said one of the blonde guys, with the bluest eyes ever and a smell
    of sweat and Tommy boy cologne....he appeared to be the leader...he was the
    sexiest by far....well tanned, and his body well defined, but his muscles
    weren't huge. I could see one of his large brown nipples peering out from
    around his singlet. "get in the wagon" he said. I stepped out, and they
    quickly shoved me in the back of the van. 2 jumped in the front, and the
    other 3 hopped in the back with me. They all looked so boyish. Fuck I was
    horny. The wagon smelled of piss and beer and grass. Also sexy cologne. I
    was laying on a black matress which was COVERED in cum stains. The black
    guy punched my arm...my cock got harder. "You gonna learn to fucken be a man
    tonight you fucken faggot". I looked up and saw the two cutest
    twinks...probably both 16, fully french kissing. They were both wearing
    shorts, one had fine blonde hairs on his legs...the other had shaven legs.
    The guy with the hair legs was rubbing the smooth twink, and his hand was
    massaging his balls through the legs in his Khakis. The stereo was up loud
    and the car was driving fast....I knew we were heading out into the country.
    Suddenly the black guy removed his army trousers, and he had the biggest
    blackest, juiciest cock I have EVER seen. He had trimmed pubes, and shaven
    legs. "suck it bitch"....I didn't have time to argue...he slammed his meat into
    my throat. I sucked on his purple head. "finger my hole you white fag". I
    licked my finger, and it quickly slid into his shithole...which felt smooth
    and clean. "oh yeah....fuck that hole.... Suck that fat hot cock....oh yeah".
    I rubbed his smooth warm thighs with my other hand.

    Suddenly the wagon skidded around a corner and into an isolated rest area
    next to a farm. The car stopped, then we reversed. Then the back doors
    opened, and the car was parked with the rear facing into a field...with a
    black horse in it. There were tree's all around us and no other signs of
    people. One of the drivers had a small video camera and was videoing me
    sucking this black guys cock.

    "oh fuck, oh god, oh you bitch, suck my nigger cock, oh yeah, OHHHHH"
    suddenly jets of boiling hot, thick sticky cum bolted down my mouth, down my
    throat and over my face. His body shuddered.....he then pushed me over on to
    my back. They dragged the mattress out of the car and onto the ground. One
    of the teens was out with the horse bringing him over. There was a full
    moon, and the car had bright lights on the inside. The horse came over to
    us...then they all removed their clothes. The other teens were blonde with
    sexy firm stomachs, slight muscles, and they had sexy shaven legs. I was
    in paradise. These sexy teens were all gonna fuck me hard and raw.

    Then one of the boys pashed me....."ohhhh" he moaned as our tongues twisted.
    Then the leader guy ripped my t-shirt off, and twisted my nipples.
    "arrrrgghh" I screamed. "fuck up fag" he said, and he kicked me in my
    thigh........he kept pinching and twisting....my cock was SO hard, and dripping
    cum. I then stopped kissing this gorgeous twink, and turned around...and
    there was the black guy sucking the horses cock with the blonde boy with the
    hairy legs, sucking, licking and massaging the horses balls.

    "ok mother fucker, your turn" said the leader. I knelt down under the horse
    and placed my lips around the horses black long cock. I couldn't believe
    what was happening. I could smell beer, and 2 of the boys were drinking
    beer. The leader then unbuttoned my jeans...."oh yeah, look at that piece of
    meat" he said. "Troy -- fix his cock". Troy, the young teen with the shaven
    legs, leaned into the wagon and pulled out a small black bag. He placed two
    clips onto my nipples...I screamed in pain, but again the leader kicked me in
    the thigh....."fuck up slut....suck the cock...that's what you love faggot"....then
    a cock ring was placed around my cock so I couldn't cum... and Troy went to
    town, sucking on my cock. Then the leader removed my jeans, and spat spit
    and snot onto my ass....he rubbed it in with a finger, then pushed his cock
    deep into me. "ohhh yeah, fag.....yeah.....let me fuck your virgin ass...ohhhh".
    The guy filming all this also was masterbating his cock. The black guy was
    drinking beer and his cock had come back to life. And the teen with the
    hairy legs started fucking Troy up the ass while he sucked me.

    Then the horse started making a noise.....and then it came....huge wads of horse
    cum sprayed over my face, and into my mouth. I swallowed as much as I could
    but there was gallons of it. The hot cum covered me head to toe. Then the
    leader came up my ass.....he wrapped his arms tightly around my neck, almost
    strangling me as his firm, hard body convulsed and his cock twitched and
    exploded up my ass hole. I had to cum but I couldn't. His smooth chest
    rubbed up and down my cum covered back.

    The horse wandered off, and Troy then started kissing my chest and eating
    the horse sperm. Then another car pulled up.... guy around 18 got out. He
    had long black hair, and wasn't clean shaven. He removed his shorts and
    hopped over the fence and up to us. They all knew who he was. I didn't.
    He removed his khakis and flopped out the longest cock I have ever seen. He
    smelt of real man, and he was sexy in a dirty way. He rammed his cock in my
    mouth. "sorry I'm late" he said in a deep sexy voice. Then Troy came all
    over my chest. Followed by the other teen. I had sperm everywhere. The
    leader scooped it up and forced me to drink it while sucking this tall guys
    cock...who's name was Robert I think...from what I could here from all the loud
    slurping. He fucked my mouth hard.

    "suck my balls your homo" I did as I was told. His purple veins stuck out
    on his huge balls. "ohhh yeah, suck my balls....put my heavy balls in your
    mouth... oh yeah, oh yeah, OH YEAH" then he squirted his cum all over my face
    and body... almost as much as the horses. Then the teen filming us came on
    me. Then the black guy came over to me. "Open your mouth you cum slut". I
    did, and he came in my mouth. "ohh fuck....yeah, yeah suck my white sperm
    down your throat....ohhh man that's good". Then he stopped. But before I
    could get my breath back, he moved his cock to my mouth again "now swallow
    every drop or we'll fucken kill you".....my cock was pulsing with pressure.
    He then pissed in my mouth. I swallowed back the golden liquid...."ohhhh" I
    moaned in pleasure. Once he had finished, and I'd swallowed every drop, he
    leaned over and french kissed me. His big lips felt incredible.

    Troy then opened up container full of milky liquid. The leader took it off
    him "he you go cum slut.....you love cum so much, then drink every drop of
    this" "what is it?" is asked. "cum from a great dame's hot penis and from
    a rotweilers". He tipped it into my waiting mouth, as Troy removed my cock
    ring. I came instantly shooting my cum about 3 metres, hitting the sexy
    twink. Who's name was Matt. "Hey Fuck man, watch it" he said. I drank the
    sweet dog cum. Once it had gone, they loaded me and the cum splattered
    mattress into the wagon. On the way back into town they took me on the long
    trip. I continued to suck off the guys and Matt made me suck his shithole
    clean after he crapped into my jeans. I licked his bubble butt clean, after
    coming hard all over the back of his smooth twink thighs...which I was then
    forced to clean up. They dropped me off at my car.....because Matt had shat
    in my jeans I was wearing Matt's Kahkis which smelt sexy....and I still sniff
    to this day. Infact, my girlfriend wonders where I got them. Just before
    I left Matt pashed me again....and told me if I ever told anyone about this,
    they'd "fucken kill me".

    I went home and took three days off work, masterbating, eating my cum and
    pissing into my mouth. I've never seen those guys again...they must've been
    visiting.

    My girlfriend has incredible sex with me now as I imagine my evening with
    the teen twink fuck sluts.

  61. Re:whoa whoa WHOA! slow down! by bagder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is indeed true that Rockbox 1.0 lacks most of the feature every sane user wants. No one said it is more feature-complete or better in any way than the original firmware at this early point.

    Still, this is a proof that our effort is going in the right direction, that it works and it helps getting attention and more developers onto the project. We meant the 1.0 release to be this.

    Adding the missing features is now only a matter of time. If you join up, we'll have them available even faster.

  62. Re:whoa whoa WHOA! slow down! by NeMon'ess · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I understand your frustration with how austere the features are now. Consider what they are trying to do, however. Their idea of 1.0 is to make it work, bug free, and at least play some mp3s. That in itself is a huge accomplishment. Sure 2.0 will be the version that everyone loves. 3.0 will have everything but the kitchen sink (and perhaps vorbis). I think we should commend what an accomplishment its been just to get this far. They just baked a cake, and now its time to frost/decorate it. They just cooked roast beef, now pour on the gravy. Pick your analogy, or suggest your own.

  63. Re:This is not the DMCA. (Re:That is a bunch of BS by KFury · · Score: 2

    "Reverse engineering is starting to take on a negative connotation, like "hacker" did. "

    This is a good point. Most of science is 'reverse engineering' of the natural world. It'd be interesting if the scientist who supplied his own genetic material for the genome project turned around and sued the labs for reverce engineering him.

  64. DMCA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excuse me, but why do everybody refer to the piece of sh*t law DMCA? Isn't these guys Swedish?

  65. LOL! keep up the good work! (n/t) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    asdasd

  66. Re:Yes, there is in fact new firmware for the SP25 by adolf · · Score: 2

    A bit better of a hack (loose use of a term, that) seems to be to download iriver's firmware instead, from here:

    http://www.iriverhk.com/English/downc.htm

    This will revert a RioVolt SP-250 back to its roots by making it be an iRiver iMP-250.

    IIRC, the menus are prettier, and there's a few extra options. I like the iRiver boot logo a bit better than Rio's. Also, the version number is higher -- iRiver distributes 2.2, whereas Rio is still at 2.0. ;)

  67. Re:whoa whoa WHOA! slow down! by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

    I'm sure these guys will do something great with this project, but call me when they add even one of the features on that list.

    you dont get it do you?

    this is Open Source. If you have ideas and help that you can bring to the party then bring them. What peopl *don't* need is some smart alec standing there watching and saying :
    "what's the point, it's rubbish, you're wasting my time!!"

    --
    There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
  68. Against reusability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what we call reusability for the free software (as in GPL) community, not for the others. What is the point? Ah, I see, free software cannot be reused by everybody, that aims at producing software for the consumers/public.

  69. Nice for people who only need 70 minutes of music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For everyone else, 20G is what's needed.

    Its like my kids...they don't mind listening to the same music over and over, but adults like a little variety.

  70. Re:Yes, there is in fact new firmware for the SP25 by Embryo3 · · Score: 1

    More importantly, the Rio v2.0 firmware is actually the iRivier v1.05 firmware. Hacking iRiver firmware is a much better solution than accepting updates from RioVolt. And it probably violates the warranty, but you should be able to downgrade the firmware should you need to bring it in for repair.

    For more information on hacking the iRiver firmware so it works on your RioVolt (there is no negative effect from this, i've done it many times, they are virtually identical devices), check out this unofficial FAQ:

    http://www.geocities.com/cryophil/RioVolt_FAQ.ht ml

    The mp3.com hardware boards are where I go to stay updated on this; there's not that much of substance there unless you scan the topics for firmware news and/or troubleshooting if you've got an issue.

  71. Rio 500 Upgrade? by mpconnelly · · Score: 1

    I wish someone were working on an open source firmware upgrade for the Rio 500.

    Ultimately, I would like to see all portable music devices have the ability to run open source software a la Linux. Then, we could freely build a firmware with the audio formats that we want.

  72. Rocksteady Networks ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... has a security product named the "Rockbox". Doh! Hopefully no naming problems will arise.

    http://www.rocksteady.com

  73. Rockbox? by --daz-- · · Score: 1

    Rockbox: Didn't Al Gore start this company?

  74. Absolutely. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    They reverse engineered a product. That's 100% legal.

    What the DMCA makes illegal is reverse engineering mechanisms that either control copying or control access of copyrighted material for the sole purpose of circumventing that control.

  75. No.. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    Or if it simply has nothing to do with a copy control mechanism. Remember, reverse engineering is not illegal.
    The DMCA deals with copy control mechanisms, DRM type stuff. Region coding & CSS, etc. Not software in general.

    Reverse engineering softward and hardware is expressley allowed for any reason.

    As for trade secret, you could be in shit for releasing trade secret information. If it's trade secret. A proprietary file format is NOT trade secret information, neither is a proprietary protocol.

    Trade secret information is information they are protecting. Like the formula to Coca Cola.

  76. YEs... by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    But that reverse engineering for interoperability is tricky.

    IF the DeCSS guys had a) reverse eingineered it and
    b) produced a binary-only player

    they could have claimed that it was for interoperability.

    THis is one place where the DMCA is not compatable with open-source stuff.

  77. What's Archos' reason for not opening firmware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would Archos would have a problem with this? They're way understaffed and the firmware is beyond them, so why not open up their own firmware source?

    Has anybody talked to Archos about it?

  78. Re:whoa whoa WHOA! slow down! by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

    I understand what you're trying to say, but my original understanding was v1.0 was "done". If they said, "yo check it, we got v0.1 and it works" then I would have been less angry. But I'm definitely feeling you.

    There won't be any vorbis support because there isn't enough CPU power, but I'm looking forward to everything else.

    --
    [o]_O
  79. Re:whoa whoa WHOA! slow down! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > There won't be any vorbis support because there isn't enough CPU power, but I'm looking forward to everything else.

    There could be Ogg support if they can figure out how to reprogram the other chips. Yes, using the CPU is impractical, but there are other ways.

  80. Does this work for my Archos? by mjamil · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if this will work for the Archos 5000? Also, is this the only utility that allows Archos devices to be accessed by Linux, or are there other programs out there?

  81. Not going to sue by doublem · · Score: 3, Informative

    Keep in mind, Archos is the same company that did the following:

    Somoene writes Linux drivers. They post a link on their web site so you can download them.

    Someone puts up a web site detailing how to install a larger hard drive. The site states that such activity will void the warranty. Archos offers 10 and later 20 gig devices so you can have the larger capacity without voiding the warranty.

    I'd be shocked if Archos cared if people were hacking their firmware. All it does is create a developer community and expanding uses for the hardware, which they are still selling.

    If you want to mod an Archos, you still need to get a hold of one, which means buying it.

    This is a win-win for Archos, unless some jackasses start calling Archos demanding tech support for the Open Source Firmware. Then it becomes a nuisance.

    --
    "Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
  82. archos sux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their tech support tried to tell me today that when "HD ERROR" flashes on my screen it means tha my battery is low. I've only used the Jukebox 20 something times. A few days ago i was using it and there was a burning rubber smell coming from it.. I hope they replace it it cost me $300 bucks.

  83. defragging the archos? by ZipR · · Score: 1

    Does it make any sense to defrag the drive when you get a healthy bunch of mp3s on it?