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An unknown reader points us to the Windependence Day contest sponsored by DesktopLinux. Cute idea, and I'm sure some people have exciting stories of battling the talking paperclip...

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  1. It looks like you're trying to work by delta407 · · Score: 1

    Good thing he doesn't work under CrossOver Office...

    Stupid paperclip.

  2. winderws by FigBugDeux · · Score: 1

    I don't depend on windows
    wnidows depends on me

    1. Re:winderws by Jester998 · · Score: 2

      So, if we want to get rid of Windows... we have to... kill all its users?!?! Real-life Quake! Sounds good to me. ;)

      - Jester

  3. July 14th: The Storming of Redmond by boa13 · · Score: 4, Funny

    And on July 14th, join us as we storm the Redmond stronghold and cut the head of the evil king of the Microsoft Kingdom. The storming of Redmond will symbolize, for all citizens of Linuxdom, liberty, democracy and the struggle against all forms of oppression!

    1. Re:July 14th: The Storming of Redmond by dweezle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Liberty! Equality! Fraternity!

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    2. Re:July 14th: The Storming of Redmond by PacoTaco · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Justice Department is already contemplating a lawsuit. Apparently "Windependence Day" is too similar to the US Government trademark "Independence Day." This could cause confusion in the minds of consumers and lead them to believe that Linux has something to do with lighting fireworks. Innocent penguins may be needlessly harmed.

    3. Re:July 14th: The Storming of Redmond by trezor · · Score: 1

      will symbolize, for all citizens of Linuxdom, liberty, democracy and the struggle against all forms of oppression!

      And democracy isnt opression? Any kind of authority is opression, and boy do democracys have authorities!

      Linux is freedom. Mircrosoft Windows is democracy (what suits most people is forced upon all)

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    4. Re:July 14th: The Storming of Redmond by arvidnl · · Score: 1

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    5. Re:July 14th: The Storming of Redmond by Dannon · · Score: 2

      Liberty! Equality! Fraternity!

      Does this mean there'll be free beer?

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    6. Re:July 14th: The Storming of Redmond by suicidal · · Score: 1

      Untrue. M$ forces what M$ believes is the best for you, (or what it thinks it can get away with which is best for itself) down our collective throats. This would be more like a Magistrate/Supreme Power/Dictatorship (I can't think of the right word for the life of me), than a proper Democracy where the voice of the people would be the determining factor.

  4. Uhh.... by smoondog · · Score: 2, Troll

    I battle word, excel, powerpoint and window 2000 everyday. Does this mean I'm finally going to win?

    -Sean

    1. Re:Uhh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Use your secret weapon: fdisk. Windows has no defense.

      "...crush the Rebellion with one swift stroke!"

    2. Re:Uhh.... by flewp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, speaking of battling the paperclip bastard....
      About a year ago, doing a freelance job, I had to work a lot with Frontpage2000. Not too bad, since I was able to use Dreamweaver at home, but I also had to use Word a lot when I was in the office. It was mostly for conversions of data to be put into HTML. Since I was working on a machine that someone else used, and they were the primary user, I opted not to really change anything around. Anyway, one day when working with Word, the paperprick bastard kept popping up. I got so mad (mostly from being hungover) I took the box of paperclips at the desk and proceeded and to simply bend probably around 20-25 until they broke. Man, that was great. Not only did I kill the minions of the paperclip army, I killed enough time to the point that I chilled out and got back to work. Anyone else have a similiar pathetic story?

      (yeah, yeah, I eventually turned the helper off, but whatever.)

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    3. Re:Uhh.... by Verizon+Guy · · Score: 1

      Soooo... if instead, say, you had the "Rocky the Dog" assistant loaded, would you have proceeded to go around the neighborhood and start kicking random dogs?

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    4. Re:Uhh.... by flewp · · Score: 2

      Well, that depends. If they were chiwauhas(sp), I would have punted them. Otherwise I, well, whatever.

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  5. Misnomer by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about a Sundependence Day? Or a Vaxdependence Day? Or a Aixdependence Day?

    More systems are leaving traditional Unix for Linux than are leaving Windows for Linux.

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    1. Re:Misnomer by FigBugDeux · · Score: 1

      Or Inteldence Day? Throw out you intel cpu and get a motorola! So much prettier.

    2. Re:Misnomer by magicslax · · Score: 1
      Or Inteldence Day? Throw out you intel cpu and get a motorola! So much prettier.

      For all the beauty of Apple cases, I don't think the cpu itself looks all that much better.

    3. Re:Misnomer by zmalone · · Score: 1

      UNIX on VAX? When did this happen?

    4. Re:Misnomer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      DEC had a nice Unix on VAX 15 years ago. I don't know if it's been maintained by Compaq.

    5. Re:Misnomer by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 2

      It happened shortly after the VAX was introduced in 1977, when DARPA contracted with the Computer Sciences Research Group to port their version of UNIX from the PDP-11.

    6. Re:Misnomer by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 2

      Also, I nearly forgot about ULTRIX, which was a DEC product introduced somewhat later. It was a heavily VMS influenced version of UNIX for VAX, but I don't know if it has any relationship with the forementioned UNIX port.

    7. Re:Misnomer by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 2

      Are you thinking of ULTRIX? As far as I can tell, it was pretty much phased out about the time that the Alpha processor launched. It was replaced by OSF/1, aka Digital UNIX, aka Tru64, which itself has now been retired in favor of HP/UX.

    8. Re:Misnomer by mlk · · Score: 1

      the CPU is not transparent?!
      Dam, I'm not buying one now!

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    9. Re:Misnomer by Suzuran · · Score: 1

      It was called BSD UNIX.

      (Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it!
      VAX is the 32-bit CPU.
      VMS is the operating system that ran on it.)

    10. Re:Misnomer by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2


      More systems are leaving traditional Unix for Linux than are leaving Windows for Linux.


      Yea. I've heard that theory too. Though I haven't seen any good data on it - got a reference?


      One concept to consider is a loss for Solaris or AIX to Linux is still a loss for Microsoft.


      I used to administer a lab of Unix (Solaris, HP/UX) workstations used for engineering applications. The apps were often also available for the Windows NT environment. Thus, Management was constantly being courted by vendors who offered Windows NT engineering workstation solutions - the draw was the cheaper, commodity hardware. But the engineers largely preferred the Unix workstations after experiencing WinNT during training seminars. None the less, the promise of cheaper hardware was always tempting.


      These applications are now largely available for Linux. Thus Linux competes with Windows for the market of those who are seeking a way to run these applications on commodity hardware. When a shop migrates away from, say, Solaris it may be a loss for Solaris. But when the shift is to Linux, it is likely to be at the expense of a move to Windows.

    11. Re:Misnomer by oever · · Score: 1

      It's a misnomer for another reason too.

      Win-dependence day

      What are we celebrating, our dependance on Windows? Sounds more like a day for mourning.

      I'm in favor of Defenestration Day

      open windows, throw out Windows

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    12. Re:Misnomer by Chemicalscum · · Score: 1

      And VMS bacame Windows NT when Cutler defected to M$.

    13. Re:Misnomer by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "What about a Sundependence Day? Or a Vaxdependence Day? Or a Aixdependence Day?"

      I will rejoice only when Emacsdependence Day rolls around.

    14. Re:Misnomer by Felinoid · · Score: 2

      It's a considerably sad thing to say considering other Unixes are fighting Microsoft the current problem.

      But it's true.... and more sad to admit they had it comming.

      Ma Bell liccensed source code. No binarys no support just source.
      Unix admin came to expect source code.

      But with the Ma Bell break up and shrink wrap liccenses Unix drifted farther and farther away from that philosophy.

      GNU/Linux fills the void left by this...

      Sun offers Solarus source code for a hefty liccens fee I believe.

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  6. comes the revolution. by Alien54 · · Score: 1, Redundant
    All we need is a tea party in Seattle.

    or public burnings of Bill Gates in Effigy or something.

    Should get his attention.

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  7. independance day??? by mr_exit · · Score: 1

    How about a overly paitiotic story about flying a jet fighter being flown into the big glowing heart of redmond and the whole place blowing up.....

    or is that a little too insensitive these days??

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    1. Re:independance day??? by Charm · · Score: 1
      How about a overly paitiotic story about flying a jet fighter being flown into the big glowing heart of redmond and the whole place blowing up.....

      What you seem to forget is Windows is a system.
      That system is our enemy

      When you are inside and you look around what do you see?
      You see buisnessmen, teachers, carpenters, lawyers

      The very minds of the people we are trying to save
      But until we do these people are a part of that system
      And that makes them our enemy

      You have to understand most of these people are not ready to uninstall windows
      And many of them are so hopelessly dependant on windows that they will fight to defend it

      Were you listening to me or were you looking at the operating system from Redmond
      Look Again!

      You turn around and where the screenshot of XP was; it is now a gun pointed point blank into your face

      Kudos to the Matrix

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  8. Switchers? by tbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To help celebrate wIndependence Day (or, perhaps more accurately, WinDependence Day), do we have just not be Windows users, or do we have to use Linux? If it's just about not using Linux, then somebody has already started promoting a similar idea.

    Maybe Apple would team up with the Linux community on this one if the event was a little more inclusive. On the other hand, I think OS X and Linux are serious competitors, at least in the PPC world. I know my interest in Linux on PPC died when I saw the terminal in OS X and XDarwin...

    1. Re:Switchers? by BinBoy · · Score: 1

      Ack. That page has half a dozen javascript errors.

  9. It Isn't Really All That Hard by John+Hasler · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Except for a few months in 1996 when I had a NT box on loan from a customer (didn't care for it) my home and business have always been Windows-free (and Apple-free as well).

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    1. Re:It Isn't Really All That Hard by PacoTaco · · Score: 1

      How is that Commodore 64 treating you? :)

    2. Re:It Isn't Really All That Hard by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      "Perhaps you could instead recognize your talent and use it to help people who do find it hard to do."

      I'm a Debian maintainer and I wrote pppconfig to make it easy for users to configure ppp. What have you contributed?

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  10. Obligatory, obscure Simpsons' quote by OO7david · · Score: 2
    or public burnings of Bill Gates in Effigy or something.
    "Ah, a good old effigy burning, Eh....AH!"

    (from the episode where Homer gets smart via crayon removal)

  11. How about.... by simetra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Focusing all this energy on creating replacements for the apps that keep us tied to Windows?

    For me to run Linux on my main PC at work, I need specific things: A Groupwise client, a Novell client, a pcAnywhere type thing to check on remote systems which cannot be replaced by Linux because of the apps that must run on them... ? These things would go a lot further than a doorprize, though free stuff is always good.

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    1. Re:How about.... by spencerogden · · Score: 2

      pcAnywhere type thing? You haven't looked very hard if you haven't run across VNC, look it up.

    2. Re:How about.... by Jenova · · Score: 1

      RADMIN works too, the client works well under Wine

    3. Re:How about.... by Scutter · · Score: 3, Informative

      A Groupwise client, a Novell client, a pcAnywhere type thing to check on remote systems which cannot be replaced by Linux because of the apps that must run on them... ?

      You mean like this, this (or this), and this?

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    4. Re:How about.... by simetra · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip, I found it, will give it a whirl. Now, Groupwise, Novell, and about a dozen specialized medical apps, and I'll be good to go!

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    5. Re:How about.... by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 1

      If you want something like pcAnywhere, try VNC. There are servers and clients available for a variety of platforms, all free. I used this for a presentation on Linux at my school (had a VNC server running at home, and brought the client in on a floppy so I could show them Linux on the projector). Worked rather well, even with the limited upstream bandwidth of my home connection.

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    6. Re:How about.... by PacoTaco · · Score: 1

      There's always VMware. That way, at least your computer isn't tied to Windows.

    7. Re:How about.... by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are incorrect about what is tying you to Windows. It is your dependence on proprietary communication protocols and file formats.

      The only way to "kick the habit" and to bring any real competition back to the SW industry is to only use software that interchanges data in standard formats.

      In the mean time, many dedicated OSS developers are fighting the losing fight of trying to create reverse-engineered software for many of the more popular proprietary formats and protocols. God bless 'em.

      -Peter

    8. Re:How about.... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Add to that the ability to send and receive complex M$Office documents (Word,Excel,PPT) to many and varied clients. All of which DO use windows, and are not about to change.

      Star -or OpenOffice is almost there, but not quite.

    9. Re:How about.... by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      There are specialized medical apps inexoribly tied to the Windows platform? No wonder costs have spiraled out of control. I'll bet a big percentage of pharmaceutical costs go toward software licenses in the research dept too. Now there's a lucrative market to corner, with a nice steep demand curve. You have a choice, pay the extortion rate fee, or die. See ya' on the golf course.

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    10. Re:How about.... by MeNeXT · · Score: 2
      This is old FUD get OpenOffice...

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    11. Re:How about.... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      I DO have OpenOffice. And I'm sitting here looking at a medium complexity Excel spreadsheet, opened in OO 1.0-graphs, lotsa calcs, a few sliders to change values...

      And it works. MOSTLY. The numbers add correctly, the graphs are about 90% the same visually.
      But all the sliders and spinners and fancy stuff does not transfer. Zip, zero, nada. Not even there. A small thing, you say? Maybe. But if the customer you are dealing with is still using M$ products exclusively, what are you to do when they send you something that does not work 100%?

      I REALLY like OpenOffice. Use it a lot. But to be usable on the job..a true replacement for M$ Ofice, it MUST read 100% of the elements in the M$ document, whatever they are.

      This, of course, may be the fault of M$, because they won't open up their file formats. But currently, that's the way it is.

    12. Re:How about.... by a_n_d_e_r_s · · Score: 2

      Ask them to send it as a RTF document.

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    13. Re:How about.... by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      For me to run Linux on my main PC at work, I need specific things: A Groupwise client, a Novell client...

      Can't help with GroupWise, but back when I was playing with NetWare 5, I had Linux accessing shares on a NetWare server. It's been a while, but IIRC you need IPX and NCP support compiled into the kernel (NCP over TCP wasn't supported...maybe it is now). There might've been some additional software involved, but I can't remember offhand. (I set up a server on some spare hardware, got my CNS, and toasted my setup when some hardware went screwy...haven't bothered putting it back on a machine since Linux will do for me what NetWare does, and then some.)

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    14. Re:How about.... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Ask them to send it as a RTF document.

      sigh...it's not just simple Word docs, but also complex ppt and xls. AND, trying to get 200 major clients, among them the #1 consumer goods company in the world and the #1 carmaker in the world, to standardise on something other than M$ Office is an exercise in futility.

    15. Re:How about.... by sab39 · · Score: 2

      Better yet, so long as you're running win2k or better on the boxes in question, rdesktop.

  12. One question though... by The_Shadows · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Indenpendence Day is ID4....
    Does that make Windependence Day WD-40?

  13. Truly outrageous by none2222 · · Score: 1, Troll


    Independence day allows us to look back on the sacrifices our forefathers made to keep America free. I don't appreciate seeing it trivialized to further some partisan hippy cause. "Free software" types are clearly, in many cases, not on the side of Freedom (except when it comes to smoking pot). We need only look at their response to the Microsoft "anti-trust" case, or the victim-control mentality they exhibit so often on sites like this one. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but I'm even less of a fan of government intrusion. I recommend everybody read Atlas Shrugged to see how Gates should have handled things, if he wasn't such a pansy.

    Bottomline: don't trivialize independence day.
    Take the opportunity to start working for real change: less government intrusion, less taxes, fewer regulations, more freedom. Those are your birthrights, secured with the blood of our ancestors. Don't let them down by falling for this hippy crap instead.

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    1. Re:Truly outrageous by atta1 · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more. As a veteran and a citizen, this saddens me.

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    2. Re:Truly outrageous by guttentag · · Score: 3, Insightful
      ...fewer regulations, more freedom...
      The prospect of "fewer regulations" is not a uniformly "good thing." There may be regulations that [are|seem to be] overzealous and overbearing, but many regulations are designed to protect you.

      The pharmaceutical industry would like fewer regulations so it could lower its costs, but the regulations set quality requirements for your safety. You can walk into any drug store and the generic drugs are just as high quality as the name brands. Without the regulations, you'd be betting your health on the abilities of a corporation's marketing team.

      The airline industry would like fewer regulations so it could lower the cost of maintaining and flying planes, but the regulations require certain maintenance procedures for your safety. The pilots and mechanics of the airline may not want to cut corners, but executives are forever pushing for that extra dollar of profit. Without the regulations, planes would be falling out of the sky because some exec who knows nothing about aviation pushed too far.

      Peter Pan may get away without regulations in Never Land, but in the real world regulations serve a purpose.

      Bottom line: If you're going to criticize regulations that serve specific interests (as opposed to the whole of society), fine, but don't trivialize regulations.

    3. Re:Truly outrageous by gol64738 · · Score: 2

      damn, too bad Microsoft isn't a british company
      cuz then i'd stop drinking this horrible tea and get my gun..

      microsoft is coming! microsoft is coming!

      don't you love how history repeats itself?

    4. Re:Truly outrageous by kyras · · Score: 1

      I think corporate america has already trivialized it enough by turning it into little more than an excuse for a sale and the corresponding orgy of capitalism. I'm no communist, but all things in moderation. On the other hand, I'm not a flag waver either, and I think that in this (dare I say it?) post September 11th world, we could all do with a little less prima facie patriotism and a little more of standing up for what that term used to mean.

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    5. Re:Truly outrageous by jejones · · Score: 2
      The prospect of "fewer regulations" is not a uniformly "good thing." There may be regulations that [are|seem to be] overzealous and overbearing, but many regulations are designed to protect you.

      Well...when you go to the store to buy an iron or a hair dryer, is it the government that protects you? No...but the Underwriters Laboratories approval tag is almost certainly on the appliance you buy. UL is not a governmental body.

    6. Re:Truly outrageous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Take the opportunity to start working for real change: less government intrusion, less taxes, fewer regulations, more freedom.

      That's what this event is trying to do. Microsoft may not be an actual government but they have de facto control over most of the world's computer users in much the same way. Their manipulation of protocols and file formats and their burdensome pricing and licensing practices are in practice just the same as intrusion, taxes and regulations for those people who have to use Windows to get their work done.

    7. Re:Truly outrageous by jbayes · · Score: 1
      I'm no fan of Microsoft, but I'm even less of a fan of government intrusion.

      So fight against government intrusion by fighting against Microsoft. Remember, every day Microsoft says, "Government, go out and find anyone who is copying MS software, and throw them in jail."

      Complaining about government antitrust interferance without complaining about government anticopying interference is just looking at one side of the coin.

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    8. Re:Truly outrageous by Scooby+Snacks · · Score: 1
      Without the regulations, planes would be falling out of the sky because some exec who knows nothing about aviation pushed too far.

      Sorry to put it so bluntly, but I have to say, "Bullshit." Since the top brass in any company are, as you so succinctly put it, "forever pushing for that extra dollar of profit," I severely doubt that planes would commonly be "falling out of the sky." Do you realize how bloody expensive a plane crash is? Not just in terms of the destroyed equipment, but in terms of the compensation the airline winds up paying to each dead person's family. Not to mention that any airline that had planes constantly "falling out of the sky" would very quickly lose public confidence and would soon go out of business. It would be supremely idiotic for airlines to flout safety precautions in the name of a few extra clams on the ledger.

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  14. Lycoris by rob-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If Lindows was an infringement upon the Windows name, then Lycoris has to be basically identical to WinXP (based on the screenshots). Look:

    here
    here
    and here

    Perhaps MS can sue them for 'theft of look and feel.'

    1. Re:Lycoris by Raleel · · Score: 2

      Hey, check out the user and password icon...that looks like a tweaked up version of the MSN Messanger icon that I get on my mac when it starts. Like...they put hair on them, and put a lock in front of them

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    2. Re:Lycoris by jimson · · Score: 1

      Perhaps MS can sue them for 'theft of look and feel.'

      and then Apple can sue M$ Windows.......and so on and so on......

    3. Re:Lycoris by cheezus · · Score: 1

      Perhaps MS can sue them for 'theft of look and feel.'

      yeah, maybe you should go ask apple about that ;)

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    4. Re:Lycoris by blibbleblobble · · Score: 1

      "Perhaps MS can sue them for 'theft of look and feel.'"

      Failed: Financial times today, Philips vs. Remington: "A trademark cannot be held on a unique look-and-feel when it comes as a result of engineering decisions".

      i.e. if that's the best way for it to work, it can't be trademarked.

    5. Re:Lycoris by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Actually there's a precedent, that you cannot sue over "look and feel" -- had to do with the Lotus menu system, back in the dark ages of DOS. Someone who cares can probably look up the legal references.

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  15. Definition? by sheepab · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windependance day - The day hoards of slashdotters and Linux fans alike gathered to battle that EVIL paper clip. And what did they do? Well, heh, Ill tell you what they did, but it wasnt pretty. When they got ahold of the paper clip, they grabbed ahold of him at each and...and they....they....STRAIGHTENED HIM!!!

    1. Re:Definition? by Skevin · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...and they....they....STRAIGHTENED HIM!!!

      What? the Office Assistant isn't straight?

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    2. Re:Definition? by buzzbomb · · Score: 1

      Well, I've always found it a bit questionable. All that twitching and winking seemed a little "sweet" to me...

    3. Re:Definition? by sheepab · · Score: 1

      What? the Office Assistant isn't straight?

      Not the paper clip, he's as curved as curved can be.

    4. Re:Definition? by Chemicalscum · · Score: 1

      The problem is that on my machine the paper clip is Vigor and I just can't straighten him out.

    5. Re:Definition? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
      "Windependance day - The day hoards of slashdotters and Linux fans alike gathered to battle that EVIL paper clip. And what did they do? Well, heh, Ill tell you what they did, but it wasnt pretty. When they got ahold of the paper clip, they grabbed ahold of him at each and...and they....they....STRAIGHTENED HIM!!!"

      For those who are fighting a battle against the office clippy, you can easily neuter it by renaming the directory \program files\microsoft office\office\actors. It's like the clippy is not installed. This information should be most useful to people on corporate machines where they cannot get a hold of the Office CD to run setup.exe to uninstall it.

    6. Re:Definition? by Luxury+P.+Yacht · · Score: 1

      Well, that explains why it keeps winking at me...

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    7. Re:Definition? by sab39 · · Score: 2

      I never understood this. Why do people come up with such complicated, convoluted solutions to getting rid of clippy, instead of just, like, not installing it? As in, go to "custom install" and like, uncheck the box?

  16. Why July 4? by ross.w · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lets see, we could have done this on:

    July 14th (France)
    May 1st (Russia)
    October 1st (China)
    July 1st (Hong Kong)
    June 12th (Phillippines)
    March 1st (South Korea)
    April 30th (Vietnam)

    Why is 4th July so special?

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    1. Re:Why July 4? by Anal+Cocks · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Why is 4th July so special?"

      July 4th is the USian independence day. If we don't let them have their way, expect to see your country join the "axis of evil" and get bombed in a couple weeks.

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    2. Re:Why July 4? by atta1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Spoken like a true free thinker, who will no doubt insist on US assistance when his country runs into a crisis.

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    3. Re:Why July 4? by frooyo · · Score: 1

      Windows is American made...

      Isn't UNIX too!

      I could be mistaken though.

    4. Re:Why July 4? by red+flavor · · Score: 1

      Who the hell wants US assistance? It's the fastest way to getting your country screwed over.

      When the Russians were invading Afghanistan, the US gave money and weapons to the Mujaheddin (sp?) who kicked out the Russkies, but then became the Taliban!

      Saddam Hussein is CIA trained and was working with the CIA before he decided to go it alone.

      Let's not forget all the fuckups in South America.

      And thanks to more stupidity and blundering on the part of the USians, Canadians have been killed on the battlefield for the first time since Vietnam. From friendly fire, by USians!

      I don't have the figures handy, but I remember reading that more USians were killed during operation Desert Storm by friendly fire than by Iraqis. Boy, that's who I want helping me out, let me tell you.

    5. Re:Why July 4? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Spoken like a true free thinker, who will no doubt insist on US assistance when his country runs into a crisis."

      Look we didn't proclaim

      "You are either with us or against us." OR "You are either with us or with the terrorists."

      Hell more than likely the next global crisis will be percipitated by the US government through aid or foriegn policy, American Companies or have at least one of the parties financed by one or more of the same.

      Don't believe me, check the last hundred years.

      Fingers in many pies and global power it is something every nation wants but none of them have to the extent of the United States of America. Are they just jealous?

      Or maybe I'm just bitter that your flyboys hit our troops with friendly fire then leaked your report before notifying their families.

      Or maybe I'm pissed over your (insert industry here) subsidies that have been found by neutral arbitrator to be illegal and your country even agreed because it paid the fines but will likely engage in said behaviour again to score points at home while crushing my countrie's small (by your standards) economy.

      Maybe I'm pissed off with your pollution levels. Before you go off pointing fingers or saying "we aren't really that bad" remeber you are the leader and should be held to a higher standard just like Microsoft should for its legal convictions.

      Having said that, there is quite a lot to like about the US of A and it's a shame that more people the world over only see your negatives. Perhaps it's the media. Perhaps xenophobia. I can tell you though that one liners like the previous post don't help very much at all.

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      I always find it funny that...

      Japanese maps often have Japan at the center.

      Canadians believe Canada is a dominate force on the World stage.

      Americans believe not only is it their God given right to be in charge, but since they are, they must on the balance of things be right, good and just.

    6. Re:Why July 4? by red+flavor · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm an ungrateful Canadian.

      If you read the site you quoted, you'll find that Canada declared war on Germany 5 days after US delcared neutrality. The Canadians declared war to help out their allies. (Note that Americans only apparently declare war to protect their assets (Kuwait), or when they get punched in the nose [ala Pearl Harbor & Sept 11])

      Then, almost a year into the fighting, the US--get this--froze german and italian assets in the states! OMFG! Now that's protection!

      In fact, the US apparently didn't declare war on Germany ever, but it did declare war on Japan, AFTER Pearl Harbor (almost 2 years into the fighting). So again, we have a case of the us staying out of things until they get hurt themselves.

      My mother is Latvian, and she and all her relatives were routed from Latvia thanks to the Russians. The Russians, I might add, who were "given" the territory by an agreement with the US. Thanks again, America! Land of the Free!

    7. Re:Why July 4? by red+flavor · · Score: 1

      Right - So we don't have a huge standing army, so we should shut the f--- up or we're going to be invaded?

      So you've gone from predicting that other countries will look to the US for help, to admitting that we'd better toe the line or we'll get stomped on.

      Sounds like a playground bully to me. I feel really sorry for the Founding Fathers of the US, because I think they had a really great idea, and they had some amazing philosophies behind their work. The declaration of independence, and the constitution, are powerful, thought provoking works.

      It's a shame that the recent leadership has strayed from them and the principles they were founded on. In fact, it seems that they've strayed so far that they're acting like the very leaders the fonders wanted to break from.

      Truth, honor, justice are all now just empty words, or even marketing phrases. Instead, the US now seems to be about Lawyers, Guns and Money.

    8. Re:Why July 4? by dameron · · Score: 1

      Uhm... 'Cause, uhh....

      Maybe...

      Uh, yeah, the U.S. was the first of all colonial states to fight and win independence from a european monarchy?

      Ummm... Yeah, this insurrection caused an explosive reaction through Eurpope and directly predicated the fall of Monarchy (see Meier, Sid) or at the very least "divine right".

      And, Ummm...

      European colonialism enveloped most of the globe, de fact subjecting a majority of the world's population to European hegemony...

      And, ah...

      Independence movements eventually freed most of them....

      Thus, to be a cynic, those who were "allowed" to survive owe a great deal to the American revolution.

      While I have no great affinity to America's recent history (say, since the fall of the USSR), it's early history is truely significant, and,

      Ummm..

      revolutionary...?

      -damerion

    9. Re:Why July 4? by Qrlx · · Score: 1

      Actually, WWII was won (or lost) on the plains of Russia, and it was fought between Russians and German tanks. Anybody who has bothered to scratch the surface of the history of WWII knows this to be the case. America stepping in and making the "decisive moves" was a nice touch though, especially since FDR had been promising Stalin that we would do just that for months before we actually did.

      The 25 million Russians who died in the War is why we're not speaking German today. America didn't really enter the War in Europe (i.e. invade at Normandy) until it was relatively "safe." That the casualties suffered on June 6 were so immense is a testament to just how grisly the War was. But for the most part, Americans didn't fight the major battles, at least in Europe.

      The proportionately-small U.S. casualties in WWII is barely a dent, but for all the flag-waving we see every year you'd think we'd won the World Cup or something!

      One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic -- Josef Stalin

    10. Re:Why July 4? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2

      "the U.S. was the first of all colonial states to fight and win independence from a european monarchy?"

      Ahh ... so the fact that Sweden was under Danish rule from 1397 to 1521, and then broke free doesn't count, because Sweden wasn't a colony? I see.

      What next? Claims that the US is the oldest democracy, when it's a republic? Or that it is the biggest "democracy", even though such countries as India and Malaysia are far bigger?

      *sigh*

      "it's early history is truely significant"

      So? The same can be said of Denmark. Up until the late 1500s, early 1600s, Denmark was one the foremost countries in Europe with regards to naval power and supremacy. Now it's just a puny little country with some of the highest taxes in the world. In comparison, the US was once regarded as a guardian of democracy and freedom, but that was a loong time ago - and it's not getting better, I'm sad to say.

      So to get back to the point - why choose July 4th as "independence day"? I have no idea - why not pick something more symbolic; what day was MSFT introduced on the stockmarket? What day was Microsoft founded? What day was Windows introduced? What day did Linus start working on Linux?

      Tying it to a national independence day (no matter what nation) will only deter the participation of nationalists across the world "because my country is MUCH better than the other countries - I know because I was born in THIS country and that makes it better than the piece of land 10 yards away!!!".

      Of course if what you want is to promote the use of Windows, be sure to place Windependence Day on such a day ...

      Oh wait - too late.

      And placing Tux in an Uncle Sam hat? Nich touch. Who arranged this? Microsofts PR-department?

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    11. Re:Why July 4? by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      The C.D. Howe Institute.

      Is a Rightist, think-tank - they also think taxes should be abolished and Democracy replaced by Market Capitalism...

      Listen, The US spends more money on arms then the rest of the planet combined - it is not a 'defender' of anything -telling americans that the rest of the planet "demands US comes and helps" is a PR pile of stink-shit that helps mask the overwhelming offensive nature of your domestic military.

      That bullshit is for ignorant Americans, not for the citizens of the 70odd nations who have had USians do battle in their nations since WWII.

      The USA is a rogue nation run by Plutocrats with an incredibly apathetic and ignorant populace... and they have an incredibly massive military too boot - just the kind of thing that will lead us to WWIII... under what conditions im not sure, but as long as the hawks run your country, and the citizens are so brazen and aggressive its only a matter of time.

      Citizens of Democratic countries the world over need to start demanding a change to this, when bullies also have big sticks someone is going to get whacked. Id like to see a standing UN army replace any 'domestic peacekeepers'. Any army on foriegn soil should be considered an aggressor and should be condemned by the World Public. The US cannot keep trapsing around the globe killing at will and telling their domestic popluation 'we were invited to keep the peace' - this bullshit lead to thousands (from *MANY* nations, not just Americans) that ended up dead in the attack on the WTC.

    12. Re:Why July 4? by jcast · · Score: 1

      Do you want the damn U.S. assistance or not?

      First, you say y'all don't want our help.

      Then, you attack the U.S. for not helping y'all when you (actually your colonial overlords in Great Britain) get attacked.

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      There are reasons why democracy does not work nearly as well as capitalism.
      -- David D. Friedman
  17. Re:Truly outrageous...sorta by Em+Emalb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dude, I agree with your sentiments whole-heartedly, however, as snopes2 can tell you, that page is rather a hoax. Some of the founding fathers did make extreme sacrifices, but not as bad as you think.

    http://www.snopes.com/glurge/declare.htm

    However, I whole-heartedly agree with your basic premise, in that this is distasteful of them, and Atlas Shrugged is a good read. Not likely to happen, ever, but an interesting perspective.

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  18. ironic? by ross.w · · Score: 2, Troll

    Doesn't anyone find it ironic that people hate Microsoft for much the same reasons that people from Microsoft's own country hated England?

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    1. Re:ironic? by ceejayoz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft is quartering their troops in peoples' homes and taxing without representation? Wait, how'd I miss that?

    2. Re:ironic? by ross.w · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So Microsoft's Corporate licencing isn't a tax without representation?

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    3. Re:ironic? by Tomble · · Score: 1
      Microsoft is quartering their troops in peoples' homes and taxing without representation? Wait, how'd I miss that?
      You're quite right- the BSA target business premises.
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    4. Re:ironic? by tshak · · Score: 2

      No. A companies product that you make a very free choice to purchase is not a tax. Next please.

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    5. Re:ironic? by ross.w · · Score: 2

      the operative word here is "free choice". Most Corporate users don't have that (yet).

      Especially those with licences that require them to pay Microsoft for every PC they own regardless of whether it has Windows on it.

      Ever tried to return your OEM MS Windows for the refund promised by the EULA?

      Yes there are alternatives. (I use one of them), but to most people, especially businesses, the Microsoft tax (and the Autodesk tax, for that matter) is a fact of doing business.

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    6. Re:ironic? by Micah · · Score: 2

      and sending the BSA cronies to do audits without warrants isn't as bad as quartering troops in our homes?

    7. Re:ironic? by Arandir · · Score: 2

      The English colonies in North America decided they wanted independence. But England didn't want them to be independent. When the colonists declared their independence, England waged war. By war, I mean bullets, bloodshed, gangrene, evisceration, hangings, rapes, burning of homes and crops, enslavement of children, etc.

      Now contrast this with the average Microsoft user and Microsoft. Said user wants to be independent of Microsoft products. Microsoft doesn't want them to be. User erases Microsoft software and installs FreeBSD (or Linux for you folks in Rio Linda). Microsoft responds by ... nothing. They don't wage war. They don't fire bullets. They don't kill, rape, pillage or burn.

      If you can't understand the difference between Microsoft under King Bill and England under King George, you need to get out into the sun a bit more often.

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    8. Re:ironic? by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

      You have the choice not to buy MS products and thus not give them an excuse to do an audit.

      Anyways, has there even been a single actual audit? I would think /. would have covered it if one had happened, but I can't find any info. Seems to me it's just a paper tiger.

    9. Re:ironic? by Micah · · Score: 2

      of course WE have the choice, but most of corporate America is so clueless they don't realize it, and collectively lock themselves into using M$ tripe.

      Yes, there have been plenty of audits. None that have effected me, but I've read about them...

    10. Re:ironic? by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

      Then corporate America will either wise up and go Linux (hreh... heh heh heh...), or it's not as big of a deal to them as Slashdot zealotry would have you believe.

    11. Re:ironic? by AME · · Score: 1
      (or Linux for you folks in Rio Linda)

      Heh. I know where that came from!

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  19. exciting stories? by bilbobuggins · · Score: 3, Funny
    I'm sure some people have exciting stories of battling the talking paperclip...

    LMAO.

    'It was a dark and stormy night. My nervous grip on my trusty Xconfigurator tightened as I heard the 'BOOIIING!' from the distance. Only one thing in this world made that sound. And that thing was Bob...'

    1. Re:exciting stories? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
      "I'm sure some people have exciting stories of battling the talking paperclip... "

      I started typing a swashbuckling tale about my battles on my work machine (where I'm not allowed to install anything) against the clippy, but then I remembered that I'm at work.

  20. win-dependence? by gyratedotorg · · Score: 1

    not to be a troll or anything, but i think they could have come up with a better name.

    "windependence" sounds like "windows dependence" to me, and who but m$ would want to celebrate something like that? ;)

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    1. Re:win-dependence? by mlk · · Score: 1

      Me, else I'd get cold, or not know when it's day or night!

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  21. On the next Celebrity Boxing... by shmuc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Paperclip vs. Penguin

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    1. Re:On the next Celebrity Boxing... by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

      One is sharp and pointy. The other is a fleshy ball of feathers.

      My bets are on the paperclip.

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    2. Re:On the next Celebrity Boxing... by Profe55or+Booty · · Score: 1

      joke, not troll:

      wouldn't the penguin have to be popular to be considered a celebrity? ;)

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    3. Re:On the next Celebrity Boxing... by swillden · · Score: 1

      And you think the paperclip is popular?!?

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    4. Re:On the next Celebrity Boxing... by A5un · · Score: 1

      As popular as Tonya Harding or Vanilla Ice..

  22. I can see the filk now... by jejones · · Score: 3, Funny
    Let freedom ring/Let the penguin sing...

    (Apologies to Martina McBride.)

  23. Instead of 4th of July... by jcsehak · · Score: 2

    ...why not celebrate it on the day the courts finally dole out MS's punishment? I mean, it's gonna happen sooner or later, right?

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    1. Re:Instead of 4th of July... by Neph · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, in 2003, to be exact.

  24. COME ON! by frooyo · · Score: 1

    You got a 3 mod points for Insightful. That was damn funny to me.

    (Score: 5, Hilarious)

  25. Moderation rule number one by BlowCat · · Score: 1
    The first on-topic comment that doesn't pretend to be funny and doesn't contain obscenities is always moderated as insightful, no matter how dumb it is :-(

    If it's really dumb, it's moderated down later.

  26. Win on Lin... by frooyo · · Score: 1

    I have to agree, I was first amazed at the continue attempts by KDE to copy the windows look and feel (just a little trolling I guest). But this must top it all.

    I can only wonder if it blue screen too.

    1. Re:Win on Lin... by Arandir · · Score: 2

      No, it is Lycoris who is duplicating the look and feel of WinXP. If you look at those screen shots, you'll see that they ARE NOT of the standard KDE control center. That isn't the standard KDE color scheme. Those aren't the standard KDE icons. In fact, that isn't even a control center at all! It's Konqueror displaying a fscking web page!

      I'm running KDE right now, and I'll be damned! It looks just like...like...KDE!

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  27. i liked this by zephc · · Score: 2
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  28. Re:Let's declare a Windows independence day... by mlk · · Score: 1

    Yes, we should all have a help button, GO GO R-Keys! :)

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  29. Windependence Day, my story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative


    I recently switched. Just my laptop, for now...

    My company volunteered for a BSA audit some months ago.

    We were short some licenses; we rectified the situation before sending our report back to the BSA, indicating while we had been short some licenses, we were currently in compliance...

    This overage involved approximately 10% of our client machines...

    We relaxed, thinking we'd done good ethically and morally, by owing up to our discretion and paying for it...

    Then we were sued...

    Not for the the 10% of our clients that were out of license...

    For a sum equal to the entire -retail- value of all BSA represented software at our organization...

    Paid for yesterday, or three years ago, or five, or more...

    Essentially, they want us to pay for every piece of BSA software (we currently use) twice...

    My Windependence day happened a month ago...

    Just my laptop...

    25 machines on our network use mission critical MS-only systems...

    That's less that 3%...

    Last month MS lost 1 customer...

    Just my laptop...

    The other 900+ systems on our network...

    Well...

    They're good for now...

    1. Re:Windependence Day, my story. by imadork · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You just admitted that you were not in compliance for some period of time, and made a quick gesture to try to make up for it. In a nutshell, you showed that you had something to hide. It's like a traffic ticket; if you attempt to lie or hoodwink the cop, he will have no pity for you.

      Except that a cop is a duly-sworn officer of the law, and a BSA auditor is not. (No matter what your opinions on cops are, you have to at least admit that!) Besides, If you get pulled over, and you admit to the cop that you were speeding (which is much more like what the Poster said his company did), the cop just writes you a ticket and sends you on your way; he doesn't arrest you for the robbery that just took place down the road!

      Of course, none of this would even be necessary if the BSA would leave the "investigations" and "law enforcement" to the people who actually have the legal authority to do so.

    2. Re:Windependence Day, my story. by Sorthum · · Score: 1

      When you don't invite them in, how does the BSA gain access to your facilities? I mean, you're hard at work at International Dildonics or wherever you happen to work, and you hear a knock at your door.
      "Hello?"
      "Hi, I'm from the BSA, I'm here to check your compliance."
      "Come back when you have a warrant." *SLAM*

      Obviously people don't do this, but WHY NOT? What gives the BSA the right to come into your place of business uninvited?

  30. Re:July 14th: The stoning of Redmond by ReverendRyan · · Score: 1

    At first I thought you said the Stoning of Redmond. That would be a much better idea. If theres one thing the world lacks its stonings.

    I can see the headlines now... "Microsoft Closes for a Week ... Microsoft temporarily closed its doors today after thousands of dissatisfied Windows users hurled stones at the buildings on Microsoft's main campus, breaking nearly every window. Fortunately, there were no serious injuries..."

  31. Troll season. by Mulletproof · · Score: 2

    Hmmm... Wonder if a "Rebel against Linux Day" story would make front page? Microsoft's struggle to battle the communist open sourcers.

    Sure my comment's troll flame-bait, but no more than that story is.

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    1. Re:Troll season. by spectecjr · · Score: 2

      Hmmm... Wonder if a "Rebel against Linux Day" story would make front page? Microsoft's struggle to battle the communist open sourcers.

      We could call it Lindependence Day.

      *rotfl* these crappy-ass puns just kill me.

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  32. Parent post modded down out of idiocy... by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    I don't agree with you, but I respect your opinion. I can't believe that you got modded down as troll.

    The reason I disagree is that monopolistic companies and organizations can take away our rights the same as any invader. Only we have a harder time fighting them. The MPAA/RIAA and their purchase of Senator Fritz come to mind. If the SSSCA had passed, we'd have lost some rights critical to creative work.

    I respectfully disagree with you, but modding you down as Troll was awful. There are moderators on Slashdot that could stand to learn the difference between stating an opinion and trying to rile people up.

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    1. Re:Parent post modded down out of idiocy... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Doesn't surprise me. Last week I got modded "Flamebait" for daring to suggest that if coders want respect from beta testers, maybe they should respect beta testers in return. Makes me long for a return of the Great Blackout, when all the morons went away for a week.

      On to the topic, I think you're both right, in that the line between gov't and business has become so blurred that it's often impossible to tell just who is controlling what. Yet all too often, the opposing forces (frex, opensource advocates) are indeed more like hippies than patriots. (Of course, most folk here weren't yet born during the hippie era, and have no idea what the parent post is talking about.)

      But the situation at present is actually FAR beyond the abuses that led to the American War for Independence (it was called the Revolutionary War on the *other* side of the ditch). Frex, did you know that the horribly extortionate Tea Tax, which led to the "Boston Tea Party", was a whopping ONE PERCENT?!!

      Yet now we put up with half our income being stripped by taxes, another chunk being pried out of our wallet by business interests like M$ and the RIAA, and effectively no representation working against these primary and secondary levies.

      Yeah, this rambles a bit, so flame me. :)

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    2. Re:Parent post modded down out of idiocy... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Yet now we put up with half our income being stripped by taxes..."

      Yah.. but you have to admit, with our money they are able to purchase rather impressive weaponry and blow shit up with it! :)

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    3. Re:Parent post modded down out of idiocy... by Reziac · · Score: 2

      No fair!! WE paid for it, WE should be allowed to blow shit up too! :)

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  33. Slashdot's day... by URoRRuRRR · · Score: 1

    Can we have Widependance day? Freedom from page widening posts?

    (Supposed to be funny)

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  34. Strange Idea by waltc · · Score: 1

    If I used nothing but my OS and two or three software pieces I could probably go "Windependence," too. But I buy a lot of software, and a lot of games which I enjoy, and so I need to be "Windependent" about like a hole in the head...:)

    I don't value my computers for the OS's they run, but I value my OS's for the software they support.

    1. Re:Strange Idea by elveu · · Score: 1

      the only think you miss at all with linux is games, for everything else i want i go to http://www.freshmeat.net and check that. there is a large amount of other stuff like start office and ohter such stuff.

  35. Fucking paperclip... by moyix · · Score: 1
    I'm sure some people have exciting stories of battling the talking paperclip...

    Heh, you bet I do. Take a look at this:

    Once upon a time, there was a small boy. He loved to use Microsoft Word, and was, unlike most, paricularly fond of that lovable scamp known as Clippy. Clippy would always pop up just when he needed help with something, and was the best friend a boy could have. Paperclips live forever, but not so little boys, and so, as time passed, the boy, who was not so little any more, began to grow tired of Clippy's constant popping up. Clippy, sensing that he would soon be abandoned, began to pop up more and more frequently, even when he had no advice to give. Matters came to a head one April night, when the boy, sick of Clippy's shenanegins, tried to close the irksome paperclip. Sensing his life was in danger, Clippy leapt from the screen, snarling ferociously. The ensuing struggle lasted for three hours. At its completion, the boy stumbled out, battered, and with thousands of paperclip-shaped bruises and gashes all over his body, but victorious.

    What was the point of this story? I was that boy.

    Note: Normally I would just give a link to fanfiction.net, where I originally posted it, but since the site seems to be down (and because that version is slightly altered to be *cough* backstreet boys fan fiction), you'll have to make do with this. If you really need to, you can search for the author's name--moyix--on http://fanfiction.net/ when it comes back up.

  36. Re: Battling the Paperclip! by XO · · Score: 3, Funny
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  37. At least give us a chance to switch by WildBeast · · Score: 2

    I considered switching my desktop to Linux for a while and have been looking closely at it for the last five years. Unfortunately, there's not much progress in sight. Installing a simple game is an exercice in patience. Why can't I just click on Next - Complete Install and then click on Finish and start the game just like in Windows?

    The already bundled software with the Linux distribution works fine but its when I want to install new software that the problems occur (ie. missing libraries, permissions, drivers, graphics, etc.)

    1. Re:At least give us a chance to switch by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 1

      Pfft, How many times I wished that I could just get the source code for a windows app and compile it myself and know for sure it's gonna work on my platform. If you're looking for a Next -> Complete install -> Finish , stick with Win. It doesn't show you exactly what it's doing. I prefer compiling my own from source.
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    2. Re:At least give us a chance to switch by elveu · · Score: 1

      if all you want is simplicity then sue windows. however it's those installations that windows can get so bloated since it dosn't really give you freedom with what it's doing do you can end up with crap installed that you don't want. linux is less bloated, more stable and gives you much more freedom over your computer.

    3. Re:At least give us a chance to switch by MeNeXT · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Based on your argument why not switch to Mac. No install required just click on the icon on the CD and viola! you are playing. If you wish to install it on your system just drag and drop it where you want it.


      What gets me with Windows is that when you have something that you know works but that you have to keep reinstalling the software or to keep thing simple save your stuff on another system and reinstall. You do not know what is being installed and you have to take great care to insure that the system is running well. If you ever had a test system where you constantly install...test...deinstall you would have a hard time keeping this system running properly without problems for a year.


      Now on linux you have the dependencies. It may require a couple of minutes more to install but in the end you never have to reinstall the OS to keep the stability. This also applies to FreeBSD and such.

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      DRM? No thanks, I'll just get it somewhere else...
    4. Re:At least give us a chance to switch by WildBeast · · Score: 2

      Well I have yet to reinstall Windows XP since its release. Pretty stable and no crashes as of yet.

      Yes I considered Macs but the problem is that they're pretty expensive. If I buy a Mac, it'll be an iBook. There laptops are decently priced for once.

    5. Re:At least give us a chance to switch by WildBeast · · Score: 2

      It doesn't matter, people will always prefer simplicity anyway. I know enough to know that people couldn't care less about stability, security, freedom, privacy, etc.

      Give us simplicity and people will begin using Linux en masse.

    6. Re:At least give us a chance to switch by nurotuxin · · Score: 1

      OH thats right.... you dont have permission, driver, and graphics problems in Windoofs. I can 1/2 agree with libraries problem. The other 1/2 thinks its not so much trouble to upgrade libraries. Especially since a majority of "new " Linux users pick a distro like Redsplat, Manjoke, or SuSE (I think SuSE is Ok), from which you can use rpms to install library updates(rpm -i package name). Thats not so hard is it.....

      Before the comment is made...Yes Im hardcore Linux user..... Been doin the desktop thing for about 4 years. All servers at the office run Linux. I personally think great strides have been made to make Linux more desktop friendly. I run a Slackware (woot!!)Desktop at my office amongst all the windows clients. I do everything they do except MS Access. I can even do somethings they cant.....

    7. Re:At least give us a chance to switch by WildBeast · · Score: 2

      Oh easy to say. The fact is that many times the library I want is not in my distribution rpm's. And when it is included, the program will tell you the name of the library that's missing not the name of the rpm package.

      Besides, from all the apps I've downloaded from freshmeat, very few had rpm packages.

      And why exactly didn't your company switch to Linux on the desktop?

  38. Re:Let's declare a Windows independence day... by spectecjr · · Score: 1

    RTFM

    Last time I had lycoris running, I tried to do just that with the GUI-based LILO config tool that comes with it.

    Couldn't work out what settings I needed, so I brought up the manual.

    The manual was one introductory passage, and a series of chapter headings all marked "Not written yet".

    Handy advice!

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    Coming soon - pyrogyra
  39. I'm confused... by Picaroon · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else find it a little hypocritical that some of the "prizes" being awarded are designed to make Linux look and act more like Windows? Or in the case of the Code Weavers CD, to run Microsoft products on Linux? How does this speak for independance from Windows?

  40. We're already inside(TM) by satanami69 · · Score: 2

    A special black OPs agent, known as the BOFH, has already made his way into the stronghold. Using unencrypted satellites, he's beamed back his assault on Clippy. View the gruesome archive:

    http://www.salmondays.tv/downloads/paper_clip.mp g

    --
    I really hate Dan Patrick.
  41. And I thought... by g.a.g · · Score: 1

    Well, reading the headline I thought, wow, what a good idea, trying to break the dependence on foreign oil by using more wind power!

    Would be a good slogan for that, too...

    (However, reading that on Slashdot should have told me!)

    --
    Hurricane Application Group, Dept of Meteorology Control, Ministry of Proactive Defense
  42. Shawn Gordon misquoted! by moZer · · Score: 1

    We'll conquer the desktop together, one user at a time if need be," enthused Shawn Gordon, President of theKompany.

    I'm pretty sure he said 'konquer the desktop'.

    --
    Hello, my name is Robert Lerner, and I pronounce Lernux as "99% cpu"
  43. Celebrating Windows Dependence??? by anandsr · · Score: 1

    Think of it in another way. Are we celebrating
    our dependence on Windows. That is what came to
    my mind first reading Windependence.

    We need a better name than windependependence.

    -anand

    1. Re:Celebrating Windows Dependence??? by fr2ty · · Score: 1


      I think that your understanding of the word is far more logical and does fit better.
      If I could choose Independence from Windependence, guess what I'd choose.

      Painful mistake, actually, isn't it? What a waste.

  44. More like the Stamp Act by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
    Grrr. Did everyone sleep through US History?

    What really put the bee in the American bonnett was the stamp tax. The exact details escape me, but the parallels between the Stamp Act and new Software Assurance program are startling.

    Think about it, Parliment wanted to bill the colonists for every legal document, license, contract, pamplet, and even playing card (MS Solitaire?). The Bill was passed without any feedback or representation of the customer.

    You want to talk about history repeating itself, look no further.

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    "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
    --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  45. Windependance != Freedom, it seems by Phil+Hands · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's a shame that most of the prizes are partly or completely non-free software.

    It brings to mind what I believe is a translated polish proverb:

    A change of leaders is the joy of fools.

    To exchange one set of proprietary terms & conditions for another, even if the new ones are a lot less aggravating, when one could instead have grasped Freedom in perpetuity, is a wasted opportunity in my opinion.

    --

    Debian: GNU/Linux done the Linux way
    1. Re:Windependance != Freedom, it seems by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It brings to mind what I believe is a translated polish proverb:

      A change of leaders is the joy of fools.


      Yeah, we have a proverb like that in English too:

      Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

      I chuckled when I heard the bad guy saying this in "The Sum Of All Fears" but I didn't know just how deeply Pete Townshend's line had worked itself into the linguistic landscape until I did this search.

      --
      Someone you trust is one of us.
  46. Re:July 14th: The stoning of Redmond by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
    Darn, and I still haven't started on my CD gun. It's based on the toy "phaser" that shot those little plastic disks.

    Finally a good use for all those AOL discs eh? (The power source is the problem. A spring just doesn't cut it for a 100 CD magazine.)

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    One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
  47. Wow! Look at all the features... by gatesh8r · · Score: 2

    That I'll never use! Gee, whiz, I need to spend $500 on it and take out a second mortgage for the computer I'm going to need!

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    Karma whorin' since 1999
  48. Of course we declared war on Germany by pgpckt · · Score: 2

    In fact, here is a link to it. You could have justed asked google, which is what I did. I used "declaration of war germany". It was the first hit.

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    Lawrence Lessig is my personal hero.
  49. exciting movie of battling the talking paperclip by aderusha · · Score: 1

    http://www.salmondays.tv/downloads/paper_clip.mpg

    from salmon days, the register's on line tv show adaptation of the bofh (bastard operator from hell, but you knew that anyway)...

  50. Well said! by robinjo · · Score: 2

    I think it's a shame that most of the prizes are partly or completely non-free software.

    That was so well said that I'll give you 10 free Apache licenses and another 10 free OpenOffice licenses!

  51. Sighh... by Interrobang · · Score: 2

    For me to run Linux at work, I need Office. I can't even convince my project boss (1000 km away, more or less) to use FrameMaker for this project, despite its being the Right Tool for the Job.

    At home, however... Linux box here I come! (Just moved; computers et al in pieces!)

    ?!

  52. Re:July 14th: The stoning of Redmond by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
    Heh, was that intentional? Wasps and Dirac Angestun Gespt. [WASP is a book by Eric Frank Russell where Dirac Angestun Gespt comes from.]

    I was using that as my organization for years on alt.religion.scientology before Co$'s local thugs tracked down the reference -- they actually wasted the time searching for it, which suits the tactics of Dirac Angestun Gespt just fine. ;^)

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  53. Re:July 14th: The stoning of Redmond by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
    Darn, and I still haven't started on my CD gun. It's based on the toy "phaser" that shot those little plastic disks.

    Finally a good use for all those AOL discs eh? (The power source is the problem. A spring just doesn't cut it for a 100 CD magazine.)

    Any chance of it being a portable railgun that would fling CDs, or is the aluminum layer in your average CD not sufficient for that idea to work? If it could work, you could get some pretty decent speed out of the business end of it...

    Of course, you'd probably need a backpack power supply to drive the thing. You could go around flinging AOHell CDs at people with a contraption that looks like something out of Ghostbusters...

    --
    20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
  54. Parent was a troll by Paul+the+Bold · · Score: 2
    The parent post was a troll, and I'll tell you why. (I was not a moderator today, but I may have modded this one down.) First, he refered to the subject as "some partisan hippy cause", which is misleading (is it Republican, Democratic, Green, Libertarian, or Whig?), and the language he uses is unkind. Second, he writes, ""Free software" types are...not on the side of Freedom (except when it comes to smoking pot)." Wow! Even if I agreed with the premise that this is an inappropriate day to hold such festivities, I am insulted. This is unnecessary, and turns me (and any other Linux user) away from his message immediately. Finally, he calls Bill Gates a pansy, which should turn off any Microsoft fans. Who is left? Apple? Be? Vax?

    The poster is making an important point, but the point is lost amid the insults. People will respond not to the ideas but the language. For that reason, it is a troll.

    I have re-written the parent, removing all insults, thus making a more effective post:

    Independence day allows us to look back on the sacrifices our forefathers made to keep America free. I don't appreciate seeing it trivialized.

    Take the opportunity to start working for real change: less government intrusion, less taxes, fewer regulations, more freedom. Those are your birthrights, secured with the blood of our ancestors. Don't let them down!

  55. May 17! by epepke · · Score: 2

    Scandinavian independence day. If it weren't for Scandinavians, we wouldn't even be thinking about this.

  56. wINDEPENDENCE, i.e Freedom by FreeUser · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To help celebrate wIndependence Day (or, perhaps more accurately, WinDependence Day), do we have just not be Windows users, or do we have to use Linux? If it's just about not using Linux, then somebody [apple.com] has already started promoting a similar idea.

    First, you need to rephrase your question.

    As stated, no, you don't have to use GNU/Linux, but you do have to use a Free Operating System (Free as in Freedom). This rules out Apple, Sun, etc. Replacing one set of masters with another set of masters doesn't by you an ounce of freedom or independence, which is what "Windependence" is all about.

    So, if you had phrased your question "...do we have just not be Windows users, or do we have to use Free Software" then the answere would be, if you wish to be free and independent, then yes, you have to use free software. If you do not care that a corporate vendor has veto power over your ability to use your PC, then Apple, Microsoft, or any number of other proprietary vendors will likely serve your purposes just fine.

    Ok, maybe not Microsoft based on their track record for the last 10 years vis-a-vis reliability, security, and forced obsolescence...but don't kid yourself: Sun and Apple are just failed Microsoft wannabe's, and if you switch to their product you may find, while you are breathing a sigh of relief to be free of Microsoft's stranglehold, that you have in fact only replaced one set of masters with another and are now firmly entrenched in Apple, or Sun's, stranglehold. It only becomes a question of time then, before you are looking for escape once more.

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    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
  57. And our motto will be... by devphil · · Score: 2


    ...l1b3rty, 3qual1ty, and frat3rn1ty!

    --
    You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
  58. free your ass from Windows-alike interfaces by Enahs · · Score: 2

    Windows-alike interfaces aren't that special. Let's start doing something revolutionary, like paying attention to UI research results.

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    Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
  59. Re:July 14th: The stoning of Redmond by sharkey · · Score: 2

    Fortunately, there were no serious injuries...

    You mispelled "Sadly".

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    --
    "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  60. The BSA methods. by azimir · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm under the impression that the BSA will contact you and ask for a voluntary audit first. If you don't have the time/money for it, they'll gladly provide their own people to do the audit for you. If you are found in compliance they'll just go away, but if you are found to be guilty they charge you (contrator rates) for the people they provided.

    If you ignore or upset them, then the BSA will get help from local authorities. I believe they use the federal marshalls. The Marshalls will knock down your door and tell everyone to take their hands off their keyboards to prevent any deletion of evidence. So far not much gives the BSA the right to do this, but a flimsy EULA and some badly interpreted copyright laws.

    No, it's not right or fair, but it is now precedented, so you will need to check your facts before you start using software from BSA members. There are few ways to win against the BSA system because they only get paid if you are charged/fined/extorted money.

    Just remember that that fu*k'n paperclip is a member of the mob.

  61. Re:July 14th: The stoning of Redmond by vsprintf · · Score: 1

    You misspelled "mispelled," although I agree with the sentiment completely. Damn, I sure I hope I spelled everything correctly. :)

  62. Re:why do... by fr2ty · · Score: 1


    look what I found in /usr/bin/

    #!/bin/sh
    # Blue screen of death implementation for Linux
    ;-)
    # Author: Christian Steinruecken cstein@suse.de
    if test -t 0; then
    set -- `stty size`
    L="$1"
    R="$2"
    else
    L="25"
    R="80"
    fi
    echo -en "\033[m\033[44;37m\033[H\033[J"
    LL=`expr $L / 2 - 5`
    RR=`expr $R / 2 - 3`
    echo -en "\033[${LL}B"
    echo -en "\033[${RR}G"
    echo -e "\033[47;34m Linux \033[37;44m"
    RR=`expr $R / 2 - 34`
    p=`echo -en "\033[${RR}G"`
    echo -e "\033[1m"
    case "$LANG" in
    de*) cat ${p}Der schwere Ausnahmefehler 0E trat auf in
    Prozess 01 (/sbin/init &)
    ${p}Die aktuelle Anwendung kann nicht
    fortgesetzt werden.

    ${p} * Drücken Sie RETURN um die Anwendung zu
    beenden.
    ${p} * Drücken Sie STRG-ALT-ENTF um Ihren
    Computer neu zu starten. Vergessen
    ${p} Sie nicht, vorher laut zu fluchen.
    EOF
    ;;
    # Feel free to add more languages!
    *) cat ${p}The fatal exception 0E occurred in process 1
    (/sbin/init &) ${p}The current application cannot be continued.

    ${p} * Press RETURN to close the application.
    ${p} * Press CTRL-ALT-DEL to reboot your
    computer. Do not forget to
    ${p} scream and curse.
    EOF
    ;;
    esac
    if test -t 1; then
    read
    echo -en "\033[${L}H\033[m"
    echo -e "\033[KOh, and yes... Have a nice day!! ;-)"
    else
    echo -en "\033[${L}H\033[m"
    fi
    exit 0

  63. Re:July 14th: The stoning of Redmond by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 2

    the problem with using CD's, is that they arent articularly aerodynamic - no curves, not strategically placed holes...

    too flat and smooth.

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  64. Re:July 14th: The stoning of Redmond by sharkey · · Score: 2

    Damn, I sure I hope I spelled everything correctly. :)

    From now on, I sure I hope I do too.

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    "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  65. Re:July 14th: The stoning of Redmond by vsprintf · · Score: 1

    From now on I hope I can I hit the preview button instead of the submit button. :)