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Reading/Writing Chinese Using Linux?
Rimbo asks: "I'm building a computer for a friend, who has three major requirements from his system: He wants an Athlon with a 333MHz FSB, he wants absolutely no Microsoft software anywhere near it, and he needs the ability to read and edit Chinese. I imagine Red Flag Linux has great Chinese support, but is it as easy to use as a desktop OS as Mandrake or Red Hat? How easy is Chinese text editing and entry under the major distributions? What "office" software for Linux is good for editing Chinese? Thanks!"
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http://www.ibiblio.org/mdw/HOWTO/Chinese-HOWTO.ht
Abiword has good i18n support, and I'm almost positive I've seen a screenshot of Abiword in Chinese. I'd also imagine that GNOME 2 would support Chinese pretty well if properly configured, thanks to all the new Pango/Unicode stuff..
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No, I found it much more difficult to use. Everything is in Chinese!!
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Yangchunbaixue KDE Chinese Environment or YKCE is a hybridly licensed software that turns Red Hat Linux 7.1 into a sophisticated Chinese KDE desktop environment.
Sounds like someone got an OCR'd copy of Harry Potter's latest adventures.
...and since I've had to write and test all of my PHP applications with the Japanese charset for him and his friends, I thought I would share my and his experiences.
I've done both Japanese and Chinese input editing with Windows and MacOS 9, and my client uses Japanese input the majority of the time he uses a PC. He and his friends flatly refuse to use anything but Windows 2000 for hardcore input. The reason? Microsoft's Japanese IME. Mac OS 9's input support doesn't compare to this tiny bar that sits at the corner of your screen and lets you flip back and forth between English and several other character sets. According to my client, both mouse support (i.e. clicking the little bar and bringing up the language) and keyboard support (using key commands to change languages) are VASTLY more efficient in Windows 2000 than in MacOS 9. In fact, he's planning to drop his (older) Macs for Windows 2000 and XP machines solely based on this feature.
Now, I'm not saying that there isn't something similar for Linux. But if Apple couldn't come up with anything more productive for MacOS 9, which was intended from the start to be a consumer-level, desktop, OS, I am highly doubtful that Linux developers can come up with anything better. As is, my client and all of his friends are on either 2000 or XP and are quite happy with their decision.
As it stands, I believe your friend's decision to not use Microsoft products may be a bit short-sighted, especially considering that this is one of my client's only reasons to switch to Windows from MacOS.
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And how the hell do you get them to work with most applications?
The same issue for chinese exists for Korean and Japanese, and is one of my major reasons for NOT moving to linux.
Windows et. al. have this issue down to nothing, I can use Japanese in every program installed on my PC (that has windows handle the UI), but basic input of Japanese into linux seems almost impossible.
One site wanted me to recompile the kernel just to add the suport. Another wanted me to rebuild all of my system libraries.
Multilingual support for Asian languages is severely lacking in Linux.
And I've tried Turbolinux, and on boot into X I got FVWM. That's REAL advanced.
All operating systems that support Chinese/Japanese/Korean use an IME allowing a user to input in characters using a standard 101/104 key keboard.
All 3000+ kanji in japanese and 20000+ in chinese can be input using a keyboard.
For chinese though, this is difficult due to the number, which is why MS Office is winning people over with the voice input system.
I only say this because the default install, when selecting Japanese as the primary language, worked right out the box for my wife. She's had no complaints (she actually loves the speed improvement over Windoze), although cannaserver, etc don't work exactly like windoze, but she picked it up quickly. Even the man pages are in Japanese. Need an English man page, simply do a
and you're in bidness.
I say all this GUESSING that the support for Chinese in Redhat will be just as good, if not better, as the Japanese support.
Oh, BTW, Abiword does do internationalization. As does Mozilla, Sylpheed (this thing rocks!), gqview. The basics are covered, but you probably already knew that.
3cx.org - A truly bad website.
The chinese how-to will tell you what most of the software does. It's at the usual place - http://www.tldp.org.
Mandrake comes with
1. chinese input (both big5 and gb) with xcin.
2. cjk latex for editing (if you already know how to use latex, of course)
3. mozilla is big 5 (gb?) aware already
4. there's a chinese shell somewhere on the disk
5. emacs works with big5 input without xcin.
Fonts, locales and even some manpages and howtos also comes with the distribution. The only thing I haven't got working is actually displaying chinese in the title bars and window manager toolbars.
is not looking to the future and where Microsoft is headed with its product cost.
When I buy a piece of electronic equipment I do not expect to have to keep paying for the privilege of using it.
Microsoft WILL come up with an enforced subscription system for their OS's, and schemes like Palladium may just end up forcing that on everyone, after all if you are a "standard" windows user (like my parents and hell I wouldn't want to force them offline by making my dad have to learn Linux) palladium looks like a good thing, secure and "hey its built into what I use anyway".
So the answer is for people to TRY the alternatives - sure they may not be so pretty, or have all the functions, but then thats why Open Source works - if something is "missing" contact the developers and they will probably implement it if its something they missed, sure it might not be available immediately but you will have contributed.
Palladium will kill that kind of interaction, and make software (and some hardware) the sole juristiction of Microsoft.
This is not an anti-Microsoft rant, but it s one about freedom, something that those in the US celebrated 2 days ago, and those in China wish they had more of.
Well nuff said.
Opera Software today continued its Linux Bonanza Week with a public release of Opera 6.02 for Linux. The new version includes important fixes to the document and user interface, with special emphasis on the display of Asian characters, making this an important upgrade for Linux users all over the world.
More at: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2002/07/2002 0703_2.html
and...
Opera waves the red flag in China
In China, the government has moved to install the open-source Linux operating system provided by Red Flag in an attempt to avoid reliance on U.S. companies, particularly Microsoft. The successful RedFlag formula will now be replicated in the embedded market.
"After dominating the Chinese desktop market, RedFlag is now poised to move into the embeddded market," says Danny Huang, geveral manager embedded products, Redflag Software Technologies Co., Ltd. "With Opera on board as a partner, RedFlag now offers the very best in embedded systems solutions for the Chinese market."
Press release here: http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2002/07/2002 0701_2.html
They were one of the first general Linux distros with DBCS support and the product has simplified and traditional Chinese support.
All 3000+ kanji in japanese and 20000+ in chinese can be input using a keyboard.
well acttually japanese has way more than 3000 but there are 3000 that are the ones you are expected to know from a typical grade school...
my japanese teacher advised everyone is her class to download JWP (japanese word processor)... even though she only cares about what works i found it interesting that this "wappro" is released under the GPL... w00t... i know this is a bit off topic but i can say from personal experiance that it is possible to use a normal english 101/104 keyboiard to type in kanji... i dont use linux for this but im sure there are other that can do it
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Or maybe I should say "was great". I used cxterm (Chinese xterm) under RedHat 5.0. Its input methods were great, it had some data files containing common multi-character combinations, so if you typed one or two characters, it would show you a list of guesses about what character it thought comes next, and quite often the one I wanted would be right there at the top of the list.
However, I've never been able to get it working under later versions of RedHat, i.e. RH6. I think it has something to do with the way termcap stuff was changed; under RH6, cxterm's display keeps getting mangled. I tried recompiling the sources, and I even tried just taking a statically linked executable built under RH5 and running on RH6, and it still doesn't work. In fact, I keep my old laptop running RH5, mainly so I can ssh into it and run cxterm remotely.
But the emacs that comes with later versions of RedHat can display Chinese pretty well. You want to be sure you've got the emacs-leim package installed. Emacs also has some Chinese input methods, but I can't seem to find the documentation for them, so I haven't been able to try them out yet.
Yanks against the wall with a bullet between the eyes.
No, there are many Chinese input methods that utilize the normal qwerty keyboard. Some methods uses the sound of the character which are usually slower. And some uses the composition of the character structure to work (these are usually faster).
It's ignorant to think there's a need to have thousands of keys....
BTW, there's an input method created by Ericsson (I think, correct me if I am wrong). It uses only 9 keys on the phone keypad for input. I have used it and find that it's a little slow but it works and able to type in all characters that I wanted. Works kinda good for such a small device.
And for those of you that are wondering, YES, it takes a few key stroke to make up one character. But it is not slow to represent some meaning on the keyboard. Chinese is regarded as one of the most concise language on the planet. A few keystoke would be compensated by much shorter sentence.
I'm using Debian with working Chinese, Japanese and Korean.
Basically you have you sort out locale packages, fonts, and then inputing method (XIM), and lastly the apps you want to use chinese.
For locale, most distributions include proper and working locale packages. So all you have to do is install them. Locale packages are related to glibc btw. The way locale packages work has changed a bit from glibc 2.1 to 2.2. But anyway both work well.
And then for fonts. Most of the time, you need both X fonts (.bdf files) and truetype fonts. Both are quite easy to get on the net if your distribution of Linux doesn't include them. They are all in Debian, for example. And I think a chinese distribution like RedFlag will include a bunch of them.
For chinese, I use xcin for inputing. It supports big5 and gb encoding, and also all sorts of common inputing method, such as changjei, bopomofo, cantonese, etc. There are also people developing custom inputing method you can use with xcin, such as smartcj
Finally, applications to use. To start with, I think it's a must to have a terminal which works with the language you need. For example, I have crxvt (chinese rxvt). And so I can run all sort of text based programs with chinese working straight away.
Most of the time all you need is to do:
export LANG=zh_TW.Big5 XMODIFIERS=@im=xcin
for your environment. Run the inputing method, and then run your applications. Most applications will work pretty well with XIM.
For office software, I've tried Openoffice.org only, with inputing working. Sometimes it is buggy, but usable. As long as you have truetype fonts installed and Openoffice.org knows about those fonts, you're sorted. Printing works straight away too. While, Staroffice doesn not work properly with XIM, for some reasons.
I haven't tried any chinese linux distribution, but I imagine they might be even much more easier to setup for chinese.
Just a note for Japanese and Korean. I have kinput2 with canna server, kterm for Japanese. hanterm and ami for Korean. Both kinput2 and ami work with Openoffice.org, too.
If you have the source, you have the whole world...
If you want fairly good Chinese support I think you can try Turbolinux 7 - they are bigger then Redhat in China because they have a much better chinese input method support and stuff - and I have tried it myself! You can switch between chinese and english just like that!
Actually, in an A7V333 with a Palomino Athlon-XP, the FSB is still 133 Mhz. The ram runs at 166Mhz DDR, hence the 333 moniker, but the ram and the processor's FSB are asynchronous with each other.
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I've got lots of experience building PCs, going back over a decade ago to the earliest home computers all the way up to my current athlon, and lots of other hardware and software experience to boot (I'm comfortable with a soldering iron, with C++, and everything inbetween the two) - and I have to say that in my not so humble experience ASUS is a great motherboard brand. You do the community a disservice to push people onto inferior solutions.
All motherboard companies have bad stories out there about support and drivers and whatnot. In the case of the A7V333 (I have one too), there's nothing wrong with it as a KT333 implementation. Really, it's one of the better ones around. The problems that exist are mostly the KT333's fault. If you don't like the KT333, ASUS offers alternative boards with just about every other chipset under the sun to meet your needs.
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There was absolutely nothing funny about your post. Your parents comments stand.
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
Ok, but you cant run Mac OS X on a AMD Athlon and Mac OS X have some MS software like IE.
I have set up a Chinese environment under Debian - it works beatifully, easily better than any Chinese input/output system under Windows. The key ingredients:
/etc/locale.gen includes the zh_CN GB2312 line (or equivalnet Big5 traditional encoding) and run locale-gen
* KDE 2.2.2
* ttf-arphic-* true type fonts (traditional and simplified are available)
* XCIN, with a little tweaking to get it working properly - does Pinyin input, which most people prefer
* locales - make sure your
* environment variables - there is a Debian Chinese HOWTO which tells you what you need to set.
The key thing is the fonts (turn on anti-aliasing in KDE, make sure your X windows is set up to support this). The Arphic AA fonts look utterly magnificent, easily the best chinese fonts around. KDE supports X input (i.e. XCIN) quite happily, so you can use KOffice etc. and type in Chinese without a problem.
One of these days I'll get around to writing a HOWTO to explain exactly how it works - if you want details, pester me by e-mailing daniel at ieee dot uow dot edu dot au.
Although I can't speak from personal experience, you'll probably wan to check out Hancom Office (http://www.hancaom.com/ or Chinese http://www.hancom.com.tw/) for an office suite. It's a commercial suite by a Korean company and will likely have better Chinese support than open suites.
RedHatis aparently shipping their latest LIMBO release with UTF-8 locales as the default. This is actually pretty impressive and somewhat scary. A lot of software supports UTF-8 but it's not been proven unlike the region specific encodings like ISO-8859's. I think the big hold up was Bash but apparently that's been worked out. I don't know if this helps with Chinese though. A suspect a lot of programs meant to be used with Chinese probably do so by using a locale specific to Chinese (and not UTF-8) but I'm straining my knowledge of the topic.
Hancom is based in Korea and has what is supposed to be an excellent office suite that does Korean, Japanese, Chinese (simplified & traditional) and Arabic. The also sell Hancom Linux, which is Red Hat 7.1 w/KDE all configed to one of the above languages.
They are also into Zarus PDA software and at one time were discussing partnership with The Kompany.
Check out http://www.hancom.com/ for more details. You might also want to check out TurboLinux, which is supposed to be big in Asia-Pacific.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
yes google is your friend
but please people just use unicode for everything
you just have to have an editor that will do unicode and have your fonts set up right (since their is no free unicode set that would be hard) I use xemacs so what do I know
regards
john jones
What is Unicode?
Where linux may suffer a little bit is in the areas of printing and uniform input support across all applications (for example, skk only works in emacs). However, for writing Japanese-page php scripts, emacs is quite sufficient. Redhat 7.3 even includes skk by default, so you don't have to do anything special to install it.
The story with Chinese is a little bit different ... I've been looking for about six years and I have not found anything in linux that matches the ease and comprehensiveness of Chinese language support in Windows 2000. So for anybody (such as the story poster) who is looking to handle Chinese in Linux: it can be done, but it is probably not as easy as in Windows.
Sometimes Microsoft breeds them. They don't need to be brainwashed by outside forces.
.NET desktop or whatever they will call this POS coming down the pike.
Look, I'm an MCSE. I spent a year learning Windows 2000 inside and out. I knew even more than some of my teachers when I was done. Recently I have been doing contract work with an eCommerce company which is almost 100% a Windows shop. There are a few Macs there, but mostly everyone's running on Windows.
One of the things I'm doing there is an inventory. We need to match up licenses on the machines. Some are running the original OSes they were running when the company got them. This usually means Windows 98, Windows 98SE and (Goddess help me) Millenium Edition. Some have been moved up to Windows 2000, and that's where the "match the license to the machine" game comes in.
Then there's the servers which are a completely different kettle of fish. I suspect the company will be buying a few more licenses before all this is over.
If the whole shop was Macintosh it wouldn't be a problem. No serial number, no certificate, no BSA assholes looking for people to nail. But no, they can't do that..."we can't go backwards" says my boss.
Similarly, if they went Open Source it wouldn't be a problem...in fact, it would have been even easier. It no longer becomes a question of which machine has a legitimate operating system...you could use one disk for everyone and it would be all good. It's the way it used to be with MacOS...up until System 7.0.1 MacOS was free as in beer. Of course there are other advantages with Open Source software, however, they don't usually matter to suits.
Dealing with XP is a pain, and so are programs with similar "Activation" schemes like Office 2000 and Office XP. But will they let me slap on Open Office 1.0 instead? "We have to be compatible with what's out there." the boss says to me. Never mind that to be compatible with what's out there you have to spend $600/seat. Never mind that trifle. You have to "be compatible with what's out there."
And if this crap isn't hard enough now, just wait until Palladium rolls in, and you have to not only deal with broken software but broken hardware too. This will become the ultimate "lock in"...you won't be able to run something that doesn't have the crypto signatures the hardware is expecting. Goodbye Linux, goodbye FreeBSD, goodbye OpenBSD, goodbye NetBSD, goodbye BeOS. That new Dell you just bought will only run on MS DRM OS. Or Windows 2004 or XP 2 or
Forget the fact that I have been using Macs since 1995. I was using DOS well before that. Longer than I care to admit, actually. I actually LIKE Windows 2000...it is a nice, solid operating system that is very hard to crash. But the thing is, the ancillary bullshit surrounding Microsoft's sales terms and copy locks make anti-MS zealots out of all but the most sheepish followers of Redmond.
I am looking to wean myself personally from Microsoft. I will probably still support it where I work, wherever that may be. I am, after all, an MCSE. But once there's video and audio apps in Linux that rival Vegas Video, Premiere, ProTools, Sound Forge and After Effects I am dropping Windows like a bad habit. And I will be glad when I do.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
Notwithstanding all the "Linux trolls" who post "search Google" and "Here's a Chinese input project, it must be good," Linux just can't do Chinese (or Japanese) now.
Let's put this in perspective. I've been Microsoft-free personally for about 5 years now. Both my laptops and all my workstations (at home and work) run Linux. That's about five machines running Linux now. I'm very happy.
My wife knows nothing about computers. She doesn't know Windows, she doesn't know Linux. So I can install Linux for her, right? Wrong.
Because Chinese input for Linux simply isn't as good as Microsoft Win2K.
As the parent points out, the Microsoft Asian-input methods are well-thought out. They allow you to seamlessly shift into and out of English and Chinese (and Japanese).
Chinese itself has at least three major input methods, each of which is a long, complicated process to implement. My wife reads/writes "Traditional Chinese" (what they read/write in Taiwan) as opposed to "Simplified Chinese" (what they read/write in China and what Red Flag Linux certainly only supports).
Microsoft Win2K handles all Chinese and Japanese input methods so well that my wife and others who are actually from Mainland China are all happy.
Linux doesn't seem to make anyone happy.
Sure, there are projects out there. As the Linux Troll with a highly-rated comment mentioned earlier, "Search Google!" -- yeh, you'll get tons of hits, and every one of them will be a waste of your time.
Maybe in another year or two.
I'd be happy if someone who's actually used Chinese input on Linux and Win2K tell me there's something as good for Linux. I'll try it in a heartbeat. I've been waiting YEARS to get my wife off of Windows.
Note: All this rant doesn't say much about Chinese *OUTPUT* -- Linux seems to display Big5 (traditional) and other Chinese/Japanese just fine. It's the input that's not ready yet.
fifth sigma, inc.
Try looking at Vine Linux - it's a fully Japanized distribution. I'm using it right now.
I am not Chinese and do not speak Chinese, however I am working in China and was trying to introduce Linux. The following text treats Chinese == simplified, however most of the stuff should be valid for traditional too.
IntroductionFirst of all, Chinese under Linux is hell. There seem to be no people being interested in developing open source in China. And if they do then it's difficult to find, crappy and unfinished. Just look at the Mozilla 1.0 simplified Chinese translation, it's not there, the guys did not move since 0.9.8. The Chinese HOWTO is quite old (1998!) and most of the links are dead and the information inside useless (practical experience).
Red alternativesYou have several alternatives, I suggest you forget about them: RedFlag Linux (Experience based on 3.0, Redflag 3.2 beta ISO)
I had to use the text installation: I guess it was unicode without unicode support, so all I saw was messy characters but not Chinese. Somehow it's similar to redhat so I was able to click through. After the installation: whoops, the system is asking me for my registration key otherwise I can try RedFlag linux for 40 days (? do not remember how many exactly). It was not just a key, it was one of the Microsoft dimensions. After choosing the trial I ended up in Kde trying to look like windows. It had a tray, and a start bar, the Control Panel and so on. But I had a feeling it was there but it could not satisfy me, and I could not stand the little penguin patriotically holding that red flag up. The Chinese input seems to me to be the most advanced, but the system it self seemed to me unstable. Most modifications were in the interface and trying to lock down the system so you need to get that key after the trial period.
Office: RedOffice different company, same red. It's OpenOffice 1.0 looking like Office XP, that's all except there is no source code, no binaries, only a trial version and a price of 398RMB (~50US$) for the full version. Stick with Chinese OpenOffice.
Mandrake 8.2Mandrake has in my opinion the best Chinese support. You only need to install it using the Chinese language. If you install it using English and then switch to Chinese you will have several problems, like you desktop disappearing etc. Do not use Unicode, use gb or big5 only, I was not able to see anything by switching to Unicode.
After the installation you should have a Chinese kde, Chinese Mozilla 0.9.8 and some more software in Chinese. The best input for simplified is Chinput, for Big5 Xcin and that's how Mandrake is doing it, if you use gb you will get Chinput by pressing Ctrl+Space and Xcin on a Big5 system.
Turbolinux seems to have taken over the Chinput project, therefore you will find no info on the net. They made an extension to Chinput called ZWinPro (ZWinPro-3.2-11.i586.rpm) you need to forceinstall it (solve some libary deps, install unicon but do not uninstall Chinput) and forceinstall Mandrakes Chinput again. This will give you Mandrakes Chinput with a configuration toolbar and some binaries which allow you to use Chinese input for all applications. There are some minor probs you will need to fix (font alias missing, etc), if you have trouble contact me.
The only problem about Chinput (and probably Xcin) is: it's dumb, the windows input tries to guess what you are typing. Means, you need to write character by character on Linux, does not matter if you use Pinyin or Woubi (or what ever you call it). This is very unconvenient and a killer for every Chinese linux desktop. Nobody will want to type 10 min on Linux when he can be finished in 2 on windows.
Next get the Chinese version of OpenOffice1.0 and English Mozilla 1.0. If you want to use a Chinese browser stick to konqueror, Mozilla 0.9.8 is not stable and crashes randomly.
You will want to get some Chinese ttf fonts from windows, as the fonts on Mandrake are quite ugly.
paul
There's a new input method system called Internet/Intranet Input Method Framework (IIIMF). It was released to the free software community by Sun just over 2 years ago. Currently it's hosted at Li18nux.
Among its advantages over the old X Input Method (XIM) system are:
Disclaimer: I am a voting member on the Li18nux Steering Commitee, and I'm also working on a commercial Chinese IIIMF input method for my employer.
The url is at
http://linuxpr.com/releases/4175.html
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
you can put that memory bandwidth to good use. Normally, the asus board , using the via kt333 chipset, runs the fsb at 133MHz DDR and the memory bus at 166MHz DDR (if you have PC2700 memory). In order to get that extra memory bandwidth to the cpu, you have to increase the fsb clock to 166MHz DDR. If you're not into overclocking you cpu 25%, then you have to lower the clock mulitplier to compensate. The asus board offers a 1/5 clock divider for your pci bus so all your other devices can run in spec. Have fun :).
P.S. The MHz stuff.
MHz only means millions of cycles per second. Exactly what that means depends on how you define "cycle". If you're using the accepted definition of a cycle, in terms of memory, then you're talking about a cycle bounded by the event which occurs every time your bus does this:
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(I'm not the best ascii artist but you get the idea) and the memory bus operates at 166MHz. However, if you're calling a cycle the event that occurs every time the bus can put a bit on a data line, then the memory bus operates at 333MHz. Either way, you're still going to get a maximum throughput of 2.7GB/s.
P.P.S.
If you want to change your fsb from 133MHz to 166MHz then you have to get a cpu with a rated frequency into which 166 will divide nicely. That means the XP 2000+ (1666MHz) or the XP 1500+ (1333MHz). If you get any other processor, you'll have to overclock or underclock a little since the cpu multiplier can only be set to multiples of 1/2.
I'd tell him to buy a PowerMac G4 system and run Lotus Notes or WordPerfect ..... There "IS" Microsoft Office X which works awesome.
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Microsoft on the Mac side is not at all the same beast as it is on the PC side. The Microsoft Mac programmers work much truer to spec than the PC programmers for Microsoft.
Internet Explorer on the Mac renders pages more like netscape does then IE on the PC. It's crazy. Things that Netscape complains about on and IE doesn't on the PC, IE on Mac complains also
I have used Linux combined with Chinese enviroment for a long time. I always think Gnome is the best, it is fast, flexible and easy to use. There is a trick. If you are not used to read Chinese menu, tool bar and prompt, you can change the locale setting from zh_CN.GB2312 to zh_CN in RedHat or Mandrake. You still can use Chinese, but menu and the other things will be English. It is very convenient.
.deb from debian website if you use debian.
I use Openoffice 1.0 for a while, it is great and very easy to add some new truetype fonts and utf8 fonts. And it is compatible with Chinese XIM(like Chinput). If you think Openoffice starts very slowly, you can download ooqstart-gnome from rpmfind.net or
Have any problem, e-mail me at river@linguistic-alchemy.com
I hope that RedFlag will have good support for traditional characters. The two major reasons for using simplified are now gone: 1) Some consider traditional characters easier to read and, now that we have keyboards, they are just as easy to write. 2) There are no longer any reasons to keep "the masses" from being able to read pre-communist documents encoded in the traditional characters.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
While agree with you in general on the kt333 being a fairly useless upgrade to a kt266a...
1) There is pc2700 cas2.0 ram available, I bought mine over a month ago, and it runs great and reliable in the A7V333 with all the timings tweaked as fast as the BIOS allows.
2) Even though the Athlon only has pc2100's FSB bandwidth, other devices do use the memory. DMA is in heavy use on most PCs for harddrive access - as well as auxillary PCI devices like soundcards. Don't forget the AGP video card can use the extra memory bandwidth as well. Given all of that, I wish I had more ram bandwidth than even the KT333 allows.
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