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ToddML writes "I just spotted this article at wired.com which talks about the current deficiencies of the U.S. long-distance running program, and more importantly, what is being done about it. An interesting story from both a gadget perspective, and for the source of the program -- private industry."
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Soccer. Once the Americans dominate that sport by creating a team of ubermenchen they can finally tell the rest of the World to stop calling it 'football', too.
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just calling it "cheating"? it's helping the runners perform better by external aids. It's just as bad as dope, if you ask me.
But it isn't because of the shoes.
It's simply that the African athletes are naturally endowed with highly developed athletic ability. If you were to take two athletes, one white and one black, and trained them in the same manner, you will find that the black athlete will excel in endurance, strength, and power quite a bit beyond the white athlete's performance. This is made obvious by the repeated drubbing of white long distance athletes in the Olympics and other world athletic competitions.
So why doesn't America use black athletes in long distance events? Simply because of the dominance of America in the shorter sprinting events. The limited pool of black athletes can only be divided so much. Short distance sprinting and long distance running are not interchangeable, they are completely different styles. While a short distance sprinter may be able to become a world-class distance runner, the reverse is never true. So in order to garner more medals, America designates black runners as short distance competitors and leaves the less talented (relatively speaking) white runners to long distance events.
One interesting case is the women's marathon in the last Olympics by a Japanese. Short, with short legs and thus a short stride, she held on and placed first in the event.
I have been pwned because my
...we had this back in the 70's and it was called The Million Dollar Man. They even made a tv-series about the guy. Fascinating stuff.
Why not take it all the way and train in no oxygen? That would really make a difference!
The core feature of this (apart from all the bio-monitoring) seems to be the idea of keeping a whole house at equivalent air pressure to 12,000 feet. This lets the athletes train at sea level, while resting at altitude (which is seen as a 'good thing').
But doesn't it open the athletes up to altitude sickness? Granted, 12,000 feet is low to get this, but it's generally caused as much by the change in altitude as the absolute altitude (So generally if you take a week climbing to 16,000 feet you're much less likely to be afflicted than if you do it in a couple of days). Oddly enough, it affects fit people as much as (or often more than) the unfit, so I do wonder whether they have any problem with this.
Incidentally, I know that 20,000 feet is about half an atmosphere, so I guess they're talking about 2/3 (sea-level) atmosphere at 12,000 feet.
ROFL good one dude!!
Brent Jones
I don't understand why americans are so concerned about winning at every damn sports competition in the bloody planet.
Let it go! Go... go play with your silly oblongated ball.
jocks... an entire country of them.
MoitaCarrasco "Everyday I beat my own previous record for the number of consecutive days I've stayed alive." - CARLIN
They should have two categories for sports like distance running and track-and-field, one would be drug- and tech(blood doping, etc)- free, the other would be "anything goes". It would be interesting to see the steroid-charged atomic supermen in the "anything goes" category competing against each other. I wounder how fast we could engineer a human body to run?
No, you're setting fire to a strawman. You would not expect that the black student would come out having not learned anything and speaking ebonics. If you put a black and a white student in the same classroom you would expect on average that the white student would succeed academically at a greater rate than the black student.
What this does not mean is that all whites are geniuses and that all blacks are imbeciles as you seem to want to point out in your post.
I have been pwned because my
RUN FOREST RUN!
It is sad, and a real pity he commited suicide.
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
So men can get pregnant hey...
Physicly (that is in fact) black african races have longer ham strings and are better runners, white nordic people tend to have better strength, got a problem with that, wake up to the real world, were all different just because you don't like someone saying so, it doesn't change the fact.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
similarly, if you take a man and a woman and train them next to each other, you would find the man outperformed the woman in every physical sport.
Now you cannot claim the parent post is racist unless you agree that this post is sexist.
Saying that there are differences between different groups of people is not the main characteristic of racism/sexism. If the poster had said that a white athelete shouldn't be allowed to compete because he wasn't black would have been racist - saying he expects a black athelete to win isn't.
I also agree that, in the absence of any evidence/logic, making an assertion that one group is 'better' than another is also group-ist. But he is alluding to a large amount of statistical data to back up his claim.
Of course, he might be wrong, and it could be just that long-distance running is a low-tech sport, in which Americans with sports-psychologists, nutritionists and personal trainers have no real advantage over Africans who can't afford any of that, and so it's just down to weight of numbers/luck.
Distance running is booooooring as hell. Running has a very high injury rate, one of the highest of sports. Why do people do it? I prefer Olympic lifting - these guys can out sprint the 100 meter sprinters in the 40m dash, out vertical leap the high jumpers & basketball players, come in second in flexibility to the gymnasts, and have the highest bone density on the planet. And they're the fastest & strongest athletes around. Running: yawn!.
Invade Kenya.
My cross country coach in high school always said that McDonalds was the problem with the distance program at our high school. Perhaps a bit simplistic, but I tend to think that our culture in general tends to lend itself to be against such thing as having a large quantity (and high quality) of high speed marathon and long distance runners. Match that with the low profit margins of becoming a 'professional' runner, and there's little motivation for most people to try. Granted, there are many exceptions to this rule, but none have consistantly broken through to dominate the distance races. I somehow doubt that any technology will overcome a culture's (in this case, the United States) general mentality, no matter how motivated the individuals may be.
You're only as smart as your brain.
What you are saying is drastically over simplified, and largely wrong!
On average there are differences in muscle composition between whites and blacks. Blacks tend to have more muscles of the fast twitch variety, which contract very quickly, and are well suited to things like running and jumping. Whites tend to have more slow twitch muscle fibers whisk are well suited to things like weightlifting, cycling and swimming. This only accounts for a small portion of the difference.
The main difference is cultural. In America the high profile sports are basketball, baseball, and American football, the fact that these sports are so popular causes many of the gifted athletes to want to do these sports; we don't have someone allocating America's great athletes to different sports, they allocate themselves. Now in many parts of Africa, there is only one sport (unless you are one of the social elite), that sport is running (think about it, if you were extremely poor, what sport could you afford to do). Running in Africa is a way of life, school children run to and from school further than many of us drive to work. Running is the way out of poverty there, poor children dream of being world class marathoners, the same way many poor Americans dream of NBA careers.
Wish me luck, my first Marathon is on October 13th...
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If you cant beat 'em, spend loadsamoney out-teching them.
Whats the frigging point of having impeccably fair races, drugs testing, etc., when countries can do this sort of thing, giving athletes an unfair advantage over poorer nations' competitors? Granted, the results have yet to be seen but I doubt it will make them any worse athletes. The winning seems to count more than the sportsmanship and fairness.
A bit like U.S. foreign policy, then :-|
Ali
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There appears to be no problem that someone won't try to solve by throwing huge amounts of money at it. Except maybe curing parasitic diseases in Africa.
And here is the thing that you cannot do in football. Out tech them! There is no tech to football. You could give a team more endurance, but at the end of the day it relies on the individual, team and trainer.
Otherwise Brazil would not dominate the way it does. Brazil has no tech, just cut throat competition and the football lifestyle. I watched how Brazilian players are trained and it starts when they are seven or eight. It is in their "blood". The truly elite players in football, live, breath and eat football. And more often than not they come from poor areas, eg Zidane...
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Scanning the story, I thought it was talking about telephones, and was wondering why all the posts weren't offtopic. Ahh, must be too early in the morning :-)
its as simple as that, baseball players do it, and their breaking more records than ever, plus, their not stopping them so it must be legal.
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I want 2D games back.
...and the parent of this AND this gets tagged as troll...whereas the parent's parent gets nothing...
so let's see: blacks can be better physically because they're black,but white's can't be better mentally because they're white...
double-standard?? hmmmm?
uber-politically correct or racist slashdot...pick one...oh wait...they're the same...nevermind
great to see corporate industry wasting shareholder's money.
oops, sorry, i'm mimicking american conservatives incorrectly. i'm only supposed to short-sightedly criticise all gov't spending as waste, not corporate spending. damn, never could get the hang of shutting down 99.9% of my neurons to reach that level...
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This is /. Most of the readers here cosider the closest snack machine a long distance run.
We can't feed, clothe or house a large segement of the US population. WHY IN THE HELL do we need to spend millions of dollars on "long distance running deficiencies." Why don't we instead subsidize cock enlargments for the entire nation, just so we can say ours are the biggest. Someone should tell Nike about the rest of the world.
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The "light" shoe is great for other sports but once you start running (and especially train) long distances their shoes break down a lot faster than Asics and New Balance. I got a pair of Kayanus (sp?) from Asics and I swear they look like I haven't put on half the miles I have. Plus it seems that Nike's running shoes are designed for someone with a perfect foot unlike half the population who pronates or supinates.
What I really hate are these companies like Foot Locker and Champs whose employees have no clue about the sport they support. With running shoes look should be the last thing you are looking for. It should all be comfort. The fact that some company designed a shoe for some athlete does not mean that I have the exact same foot as this athlete.
I have found that The Running Room (which is a chain in Canada) seem to have the most knowledgable staff. Course this may be because they specialize but at least their main criteria for a good shoe is not how pretty it is.
As for your mention of the Asic Kayanos - Asics, Saucony, Mizuno and the other small brands cleaned up the serious running market years ago. The Kayano is probably the best all around running shoe for advanced runners.
Nike will continue to build junk - they want you to buy new shoes every four months. This is why serious runners who have a choice won't touch them anymore.
What is wrong with you people??!?!
...faster, stronger ... we have the technology
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...nike running shoes have always done me pretty well. of course, i have a damn near perfect landing, so i don't need any real support so to speak, and the damn things tend to break/pop/fall apart on me after ~600 miles, but they're actually one of the only shoe brands i've found that don't make my shins/knees/hips/back hurt. shame the quality sucks so badly, though.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
I like your points. I don't know enough about sports physiology to know whether this high-tech approach to running [arguably the lowest tech sport ] will succeed--I guess no one does. At the very least it signifies that the US distance running culture is turning its attention to the marathon and not just whining about it as much.
The racially-based arguments around why 'Americans' get their asses kicked at long distances are pretty absurd. In the US, we have a deep, deep gene pool that should pretty well ensure that certain individuals of any generation could be competitive at the marathon distance. To over-hype the genetics of Kenyans is to diminish the personal achievements of the runners themselves. Currently the men's world record is held by a Moroccan-born American citizen. As of last year, when he got his citizenship, Khalid Khannouchi has as much "American" genetic material as anyone, and probably as little Kenyan genetics as most.
People who complain about the physical genetic superiority of a race they don't belong to (e.g. excuse-spewing complacent white slackers complaining that blacks are stronger) need to either hit the gym more often, hit the track more often, or shut up and eat their potato chips. In the '30s these racial arguments were put forward to explain the higher than expected numbers of elite Jewish basketball players. Shaddup already.
'American' marathoners got handed their asses time and time again by smart, highly-motivated INDIVIDUALS. Even the 8k mentioned in the article is a race demanding not just technical ability, physical gifts beyond muscle-twitch [gait and other factors], but strategy--strategy about how to get yourself through 4.97 miles fast. You need to know a lot about your body to run 8k fast, you need to be able to monitor the body's telemetry closely and respond accordingly. I've never won an 8k, but I've beaten certain snide individuals in the 8k, and you need to know a certain amount about what their bodies are capable of as well. To toss this all off as genetic disposition is to miss most of the race.
Lastly, in response to the "why bother doing this" mentality, I'd format a proper response, but I've got to work on overclocking my processor so I can eke out a few more meaningless megahertz, then I've got to figure out why Eterm's transparency stopped working.
Nike is trying to solve a problem they helped create. Marathon running is very demanding on the body. Many experts say that a person can't run more than 2 competitive marathons per year without seeing a degradation in performance. It just takes too long for the body to recover.
Nike and the fitness industry in general, capatilized on the salad days of US marathoning in the 70's and early 80's, promoting it and profiting from its popularity. One thing that happened was that marathon racing (and other track and field sports) became quasi-professional. Athletes were allowed to accept prize and appearance money, and if it was laundered through a "training fund," they would still be eligible for the Olympics as an amateur. Nike was one of the big corporate sponsors who supplied the prize money.
For the top marathoners, it became profitable to run 4 or 5 marathons a year. Just showing up meant a paycheck. This type of schedule quickly started taking its toll, and US marathoners stopped being competitive on the world stage. As US atheletes' performance dropped, the sport's popularity nosedived as well, and marathon running has never recovered.
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While it has been shown that training at altitude helps an athelete compete at altitude, I don't believe there is much evidence showing that training at altitude helps performance at sea level. So, while training in Denver would help an athelete compete at the Mexico City Olympics, it wouldn't offer significant advantages at the LA Olympics.
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The equipment in the house removes some of the oxygen to simulate the oxygen levels found at an altitude of 12,000 feet. The air pressure remains the same, however.
-Mike_L
Okay there's ganeralization and there's rampant generalization. The one about "BLACK" athletes training against a white guy being better at endurance, power and speed is flat out wrong.
The problem is throwing endurance, power and speed together and all africans together. If it were the average african-american you'd find the average white guy pounding the crap out of them in endurance. On the other hand the average Kenyan will whip the white guy in endurance no problem.
On the other hand your average Dahomian (African American) will outdo the white guy and the kenyan in speed and power.
Your kenyan and dahomian population are vastly different in the preponderance of fast and slow twitch fibers. The white guys are different still.
and my point was that if you have perfect feet, nike's running shoes are actually really nice, even though the construction sucks.
i ran a loooong (~15-mile) slow workout in shox a few months ago, they actually seemed pretty nice - they have the same resilient feel as Air shoes, but without any of the squishiness. The impact absorbtion is much stiffer - not a harder percieved impact, it just seems there's less "give" with just as much "softness" (runners, you know what i mean). my legs felt pretty fresh afterwards, too; if the things weren't like $130 i'd consider investing in a pair (nothing to pop!)
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley