Ok I'm trying to discuss something really simple here:
I believe that there should be someone doing a unix based system for the pc that does for the today windows user the same that Apple OS X did (or is doing) for the Mac user. Hey, maybe even Microsoft (although I don't believe that for a minute).
The problem with techs and unix-mongers, I've found, is that they'll always turn to you and go: Stop whining and go on using windows! This isn't for you anyway, it's for us!
And I, as a user, believe I'd very much like to have a stable, secure, fast and reliable system such as any flavour of unix out there, that doesn't require me to go to school in order to configure my mail, upgrade my system or even understand where to click when there's no sound coming from my game.
The thing is: are unix systems going to be for everyone, or are they going to keep on being for techs or people who are willing to put up their salaries to buy a mac?
Thanks for your reply, it sounds promising, almost enought to get me to embark in another attempt an Linux (I've made several).
My basic concern with it is explained in this little event I went through the last time I used Linux:
I have a dual boot win98/suse 7.0 computer, I have fun going to Linux, runing X, generaly entertaining the idea that this is the time I'm going to start working on linux for real. I'm runing Ximian, everything looks cool and is well organized. Then the ICQ standard is changed so I need a different client.
That was the last time I used Linux. I'm really sorry, I know that Slashdot is full of people who really know this stuff, and maybe I don't even belong posting here... but I simply could not get the new client to work AT ALL! I downloaded it alright, and some libs and what-have-you, and tried and tried to install and upgrade and configure but it didn't work, at all. So I lost ICQ communication, which is crucial for the way I work, so I went back to Windows.
Now I'm considering giving it another try, with a more recent, more user-friendly version of things. Your post is encouraging and I will try again... because the damn thing really appeals to me.
What do you do for a living? Cause I work a lot, I simply don't have the time to go changing Operating Systems in the middle of ANY of my weeks of work... it would simply completely disrupt my schedule.
I don't agree when you say it only takes will... it takes time and availability to learn a new system. It also takes having all the software available to you, and currently I personally don't know of a solid Linux-based solution for Macromedia Flash authoring and I NEED that in order to work, and make money, and you know... live.
I'd also like to know if there's any sort of both code and visual HTML editing tool for DESIGNERS (not for coders, for designers), that's as good as GoLive or Dreamweaver and works on Linux. This is not to say there isn't one: it's actually a question: is there one?
I'm sorry, you're right, my comment was abusive... "I hate Apple computers" is clearly an overstatement and I should've at least explained a bit.
I just don't like the hardware limitations, mainly. I like to crack open my PC (when it's not already open) and stuff things in there, and move them around, and add fans and HDD coolers like I just did, or change the place of my LiveDrive because it suits me better somwhere else, you know, there's more hardware flexibility on a PC and I like that.
I don't like "package" computers, I've assembled my own PCs for over a decade now and I wouldn't want it any other way.
Also, where I live it's difficult to get a good Apple reseller with proper hardware upgrades available or any kind of tech support.
I understand that Apple doesn't want to run OS X on anything other that Apples because of the limited hardware they have to support, I understand that by porting OS X to other CPU platforms would ruin it, because then a million driver and compatibility problems would arise. But I still find it a shame that no one is doing for the PC what Apple did for the Mac with OS X.
"It is my true conviction that any IT responsible on any level using IIS on new projects is guilty of gross negligence and incredible incompetence."
I find this comment particularly good, I will spread it around my friends.
Let me just add this important bit: I live in Portugal, a small underdeveloped sh*tty european country and the fact of the matter is people keep trusting and buying Microsoft. Our clients all have IIS servers, and the ones that don't serve their websites from inhouse at least have their LANs based on one windows or other.
Clients keep looking at us as if we're weird outter-space creatures everytime we mention unix-based hosting and programming. And recently, a visual basic programmer ofering us his content manager solution had no idea what we were talking about when we said we used Perl.
So the perception in me post wasn't very wide, but the sad thing is: it still holds true, somehow, at least in certain parts of the world.
But I really did like your reply. I still see no great alternative to windows as far as the simple computer user is concerned.
The fact is Microsoft doesn't give a damn, because it doesn't need to give a damn anymore. Windows in its various forms continues to have outrageous security holes, and still people keep using it, buying licences and standing by it.
I honestly still think that some sort of un*x for idiots is needed before people will actually see open source opsys'es an alternative to bloody windows.
I can speak for myself, I'm a dumb windows-based webdesigner, and as much as I really like the idea of Linux, and the look of gnome and kde, and the coolness of using a console... you'd still have to dumb it down a bit more for me. Perhaps Apple's X... but then I hate Apple computers, it'd have to run on a PC.
Oh well, what I mean is: there's no point in comparing how much more terrible MSs bugs are and how much longer it takes for them to solve them. There has to be a real alternative to windows for the DUMB user, not for the tech-savy-geek, before people will actually say "hey, wait a minute, this is full of bugs and THAT over there isn't... I'll swap."
I wasn't discussing whether or not the EU is great... I merely stated that it seemed to be in the right track.
Maybe that was not correctly stated. The EU as an organism is far from being "perfect", actually, far from being good, let alone perfect. I was referring more to the EU as a congregation of people and nations, and in that sense I mentioned how I noticed that those people (ie the Europeans) all seemed to be voting right-wing these days.
So I wasn't exactly talking about the EU-organisation, but the EU-people, EU-group-of-countries.
This came to me because the original post is about a new "fascist" law of the UK, which IS a European country (although it does seem they don't like it much - tongue in cheek comment):)
Hope that's clearer now.
Moita Carrasco
With the Euro, Europe seemed to be in the right track towards a more united, sharing and open community of states.
We have a lot to gain from each other. Together, european nations share hundreds and hundreds of centuries of history, knowledge and culture.
But something is happening. Countries are turning right.
There was the french case, of far-right extremists almost taking over the presidency; now the whole country is under right-wing (albeit not as extremist as Le Pen) rule. In my country (Portugal), the right and christian-nationalist-right are in power. In Holland the right-wing has grown enormously. Everywhere, strict immigration laws are being imposed.
This arcticle is now only another piece in the right-turn game Europe seems to be playing. Fascist practices for fascist times, at a time when moderate unionist ideas of some sort, NOT right-wing separatist doctrines, should be put in practice.
It seems sad to me, now that the US is all but a fully admitted fascist state (in government practices if not in people's minds), that Europe seems to be taking the same route.
I can't believe people who post comments calling others "retards" are allowed to moderate.
So I couldn't take it any more. Here it is:
The correct spelling in kashmiri is actually "kasheer", Kashmir is the Indian-language spelling, not the original, native spelling. The word "Kashmir" is derived from Sanskrit "Kashyapa + Mira" which means the sea lake or the mountain of sage Kashyapa.
Perhaps next time you want to criticize some one else's post you will at least take the time to research a bit and explain the mistake in a constructive manner.
Other "my whacky final scene is whackier than yours" ideas:
- Close down New York to make a film about 9-11, idea: actually fly airplanes into stuff, randomly. Pilots and crew: CIA, FBI and American Government officials.
- Close down Jerusalem to make the final scene of a movie about the Israeli+Palestinian conflict. Idea: a huge crane pounds Arafat and Sharon repeatedly against various religious monuments.
- Close down Paris to make the final scene of a film about the world cup. Idea: a giant soccer ball rolling around the streets with "losers" painted on, squishing right-wing partidaries.
- Close down a strip of territory in Kashmere to make the final scene of a film about the alleged India-Pakistan conflict. Idea: Nuclear warheads detonated on top of CNN reporters who claimed a nuclear war was about to happen, as if it was a light subject you can kid around with.
Apologies: I apologize for this post if you don't like it. It will avoid me getting into discussions later. Thank you.
I don't think zero-g actually sucks.
Humans suck. Or rather, we were made to live on Earth, not in a gravityless environment, so, who told humans could go out there and travel through space and to other planets and stuff like that?
Chances are, if we're stubborn enough to go live on the Moon or on Mars, mutations will have to occur during a few centuries before we actually feel comfortable up there. Same goes for zero-g, I believe.
dontchathink?
Well... If you go around the world it's not hard to realise that not a lot of people actually LIKE the US.
But is it necessary to like a country in order to buy its crappy product? The Xbox is crap, it's the size of my VCR and it's clearly another attempt by Microsoft to rule the world, or whatever it is they want to do.
It's pathetic that a company accused of monopoly practises just quietly attacks yet another market.
I'm HAPPY that the Xbox is failing, I can't quite explain why, but it just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
I don't get the point. I would imagine the point being that you can leave your big lug of a double Athlon-or-whatever box in a dark room while happily hacking away using your wireless keyboard, mouse and - tadam - monitor, in the hot tub.
Why would the monitor have remote access software in it? Doesn't that just make it a computer?
If I have to use the screen itself as an interface, how am I expected to play True Combat?
This is no monitor, I understand. But it's not even the concept of a monitor.
I was never sure if it was a mined metal or a man made alloy.
I also never understood how they molded adamantium... since it's supposed to be indestructible... how do you melt, mold or otherwise deform it into any give shape?
Slashdot Mirror
MY telephone usage data? Not MINE surely... I live in Portugal.
I thought Slashdot was not strictly directed at americans.
I don't understand why americans are so concerned about winning at every damn sports competition in the bloody planet.
Let it go! Go... go play with your silly oblongated ball.
jocks... an entire country of them.
I'm amazed no one has mentioned Texas yet... it always comes up when size is the issue.
...can we fit Texas in one of these hard disks?
What about Lothar? Nobody ever mentions Lothar!!
Ok I'm trying to discuss something really simple here:
I believe that there should be someone doing a unix based system for the pc that does for the today windows user the same that Apple OS X did (or is doing) for the Mac user. Hey, maybe even Microsoft (although I don't believe that for a minute).
The problem with techs and unix-mongers, I've found, is that they'll always turn to you and go: Stop whining and go on using windows! This isn't for you anyway, it's for us!
And I, as a user, believe I'd very much like to have a stable, secure, fast and reliable system such as any flavour of unix out there, that doesn't require me to go to school in order to configure my mail, upgrade my system or even understand where to click when there's no sound coming from my game.
The thing is: are unix systems going to be for everyone, or are they going to keep on being for techs or people who are willing to put up their salaries to buy a mac?
Moita Carrasco
Thanks for your reply, it sounds promising, almost enought to get me to embark in another attempt an Linux (I've made several).
My basic concern with it is explained in this little event I went through the last time I used Linux:
I have a dual boot win98/suse 7.0 computer, I have fun going to Linux, runing X, generaly entertaining the idea that this is the time I'm going to start working on linux for real. I'm runing Ximian, everything looks cool and is well organized. Then the ICQ standard is changed so I need a different client.
That was the last time I used Linux. I'm really sorry, I know that Slashdot is full of people who really know this stuff, and maybe I don't even belong posting here... but I simply could not get the new client to work AT ALL! I downloaded it alright, and some libs and what-have-you, and tried and tried to install and upgrade and configure but it didn't work, at all. So I lost ICQ communication, which is crucial for the way I work, so I went back to Windows.
Now I'm considering giving it another try, with a more recent, more user-friendly version of things. Your post is encouraging and I will try again... because the damn thing really appeals to me.
Moita Carrasco
I'm a bit dumb, yes, but not that much.
What do you do for a living? Cause I work a lot, I simply don't have the time to go changing Operating Systems in the middle of ANY of my weeks of work... it would simply completely disrupt my schedule.
I don't agree when you say it only takes will... it takes time and availability to learn a new system. It also takes having all the software available to you, and currently I personally don't know of a solid Linux-based solution for Macromedia Flash authoring and I NEED that in order to work, and make money, and you know... live.
I'd also like to know if there's any sort of both code and visual HTML editing tool for DESIGNERS (not for coders, for designers), that's as good as GoLive or Dreamweaver and works on Linux. This is not to say there isn't one: it's actually a question: is there one?
MoitaCarrasco
I'm sorry, you're right, my comment was abusive... "I hate Apple computers" is clearly an overstatement and I should've at least explained a bit.
I just don't like the hardware limitations, mainly. I like to crack open my PC (when it's not already open) and stuff things in there, and move them around, and add fans and HDD coolers like I just did, or change the place of my LiveDrive because it suits me better somwhere else, you know, there's more hardware flexibility on a PC and I like that.
I don't like "package" computers, I've assembled my own PCs for over a decade now and I wouldn't want it any other way.
Also, where I live it's difficult to get a good Apple reseller with proper hardware upgrades available or any kind of tech support.
I understand that Apple doesn't want to run OS X on anything other that Apples because of the limited hardware they have to support, I understand that by porting OS X to other CPU platforms would ruin it, because then a million driver and compatibility problems would arise.
But I still find it a shame that no one is doing for the PC what Apple did for the Mac with OS X.
Moita Carrasco
"It is my true conviction that any IT responsible on any level using IIS on new projects is guilty of gross negligence and incredible incompetence."
I find this comment particularly good, I will spread it around my friends.
Let me just add this important bit: I live in Portugal, a small underdeveloped sh*tty european country and the fact of the matter is people keep trusting and buying Microsoft. Our clients all have IIS servers, and the ones that don't serve their websites from inhouse at least have their LANs based on one windows or other.
Clients keep looking at us as if we're weird outter-space creatures everytime we mention unix-based hosting and programming.
And recently, a visual basic programmer ofering us his content manager solution had no idea what we were talking about when we said we used Perl.
So the perception in me post wasn't very wide, but the sad thing is: it still holds true, somehow, at least in certain parts of the world.
But I really did like your reply. I still see no great alternative to windows as far as the simple computer user is concerned.
Moita Carrasco
The fact is Microsoft doesn't give a damn, because it doesn't need to give a damn anymore. Windows in its various forms continues to have outrageous security holes, and still people keep using it, buying licences and standing by it.
I honestly still think that some sort of un*x for idiots is needed before people will actually see open source opsys'es an alternative to bloody windows.
I can speak for myself, I'm a dumb windows-based webdesigner, and as much as I really like the idea of Linux, and the look of gnome and kde, and the coolness of using a console... you'd still have to dumb it down a bit more for me. Perhaps Apple's X... but then I hate Apple computers, it'd have to run on a PC.
Oh well, what I mean is: there's no point in comparing how much more terrible MSs bugs are and how much longer it takes for them to solve them. There has to be a real alternative to windows for the DUMB user, not for the tech-savy-geek, before people will actually say "hey, wait a minute, this is full of bugs and THAT over there isn't... I'll swap."
Just my opinion.
Moita Carrasco
I wasn't discussing whether or not the EU is great... I merely stated that it seemed to be in the right track. :)
Maybe that was not correctly stated. The EU as an organism is far from being "perfect", actually, far from being good, let alone perfect. I was referring more to the EU as a congregation of people and nations, and in that sense I mentioned how I noticed that those people (ie the Europeans) all seemed to be voting right-wing these days.
So I wasn't exactly talking about the EU-organisation, but the EU-people, EU-group-of-countries.
This came to me because the original post is about a new "fascist" law of the UK, which IS a European country (although it does seem they don't like it much - tongue in cheek comment)
Hope that's clearer now.
Moita Carrasco
With the Euro, Europe seemed to be in the right track towards a more united, sharing and open community of states.
We have a lot to gain from each other. Together, european nations share hundreds and hundreds of centuries of history, knowledge and culture.
But something is happening. Countries are turning right.
There was the french case, of far-right extremists almost taking over the presidency; now the whole country is under right-wing (albeit not as extremist as Le Pen) rule. In my country (Portugal), the right and christian-nationalist-right are in power. In Holland the right-wing has grown enormously. Everywhere, strict immigration laws are being imposed.
This arcticle is now only another piece in the right-turn game Europe seems to be playing. Fascist practices for fascist times, at a time when moderate unionist ideas of some sort, NOT right-wing separatist doctrines, should be put in practice.
It seems sad to me, now that the US is all but a fully admitted fascist state (in government practices if not in people's minds), that Europe seems to be taking the same route.
Moita Carrasco
I suppose that's irony.
Moita Carrasco
I can't believe people who post comments calling others "retards" are allowed to moderate.
So I couldn't take it any more. Here it is: The correct spelling in kashmiri is actually "kasheer", Kashmir is the Indian-language spelling, not the original, native spelling. The word "Kashmir" is derived from Sanskrit "Kashyapa + Mira" which means the sea lake or the mountain of sage Kashyapa.
Perhaps next time you want to criticize some one else's post you will at least take the time to research a bit and explain the mistake in a constructive manner.
Or are you, yourself, sir, nothing but a troll?
MoitaCarrasco
I'm sorry, I can't read... I'm a retard, remember?
Other "my whacky final scene is whackier than yours" ideas:
- Close down New York to make a film about 9-11, idea: actually fly airplanes into stuff, randomly. Pilots and crew: CIA, FBI and American Government officials.
- Close down Jerusalem to make the final scene of a movie about the Israeli+Palestinian conflict. Idea: a huge crane pounds Arafat and Sharon repeatedly against various religious monuments.
- Close down Paris to make the final scene of a film about the world cup. Idea: a giant soccer ball rolling around the streets with "losers" painted on, squishing right-wing partidaries.
- Close down a strip of territory in Kashmere to make the final scene of a film about the alleged India-Pakistan conflict. Idea: Nuclear warheads detonated on top of CNN reporters who claimed a nuclear war was about to happen, as if it was a light subject you can kid around with.
Apologies: I apologize for this post if you don't like it. It will avoid me getting into discussions later. Thank you.
Moita
I don't think zero-g actually sucks. Humans suck. Or rather, we were made to live on Earth, not in a gravityless environment, so, who told humans could go out there and travel through space and to other planets and stuff like that? Chances are, if we're stubborn enough to go live on the Moon or on Mars, mutations will have to occur during a few centuries before we actually feel comfortable up there. Same goes for zero-g, I believe. dontchathink?
Wow,
:)
That's cool... I don't have a Marvel Universe Handbook, but I wish I did.
If you could... would you submit yourself to surgery in order to have adamantium claws implanted?
Is there a way to start a poll here?
Well... If you go around the world it's not hard to realise that not a lot of people actually LIKE the US.
But is it necessary to like a country in order to buy its crappy product? The Xbox is crap, it's the size of my VCR and it's clearly another attempt by Microsoft to rule the world, or whatever it is they want to do.
It's pathetic that a company accused of monopoly practises just quietly attacks yet another market.
I'm HAPPY that the Xbox is failing, I can't quite explain why, but it just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
I don't get the point. I would imagine the point being that you can leave your big lug of a double Athlon-or-whatever box in a dark room while happily hacking away using your wireless keyboard, mouse and - tadam - monitor, in the hot tub.
Why would the monitor have remote access software in it? Doesn't that just make it a computer?
If I have to use the screen itself as an interface, how am I expected to play True Combat?
This is no monitor, I understand. But it's not even the concept of a monitor.
I was never sure if it was a mined metal or a man made alloy.
I also never understood how they molded adamantium... since it's supposed to be indestructible... how do you melt, mold or otherwise deform it into any give shape?
This is important stuff.
MoitaCarrasco