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Arianne ALPHA 2 Released
Miguel continues: This release of Arianne is a major milestone on our goal to get a working framework for simple online games creation. It features a new working and playable 2D Client with new gfx, music and sfx.
This release features also a working RP system on C++ with the next actions: Move, Chat, Attack, Spell, Get, Put, Consume, Look.
Arianne allows now a hardware limited number of connections to the server so you can have as much players as your hardware allow.
All files on Arianne features XML syntax.
Go to Arianne and get it.
Report problems with Arianne to Sourceforge Bugs Tracker
P.S:
We need binary packages for BeOS and MacOS X.
We need reports about BeOS, MacOSX, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, IRIX, QNX,
Linux and Windows NT.
We need new GFX ( don't ask what are them, look and do ).
We need new SFX ( _.wav )
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Wow,
So that means I can make my own Q3?
How about one based on financial shenanigans?
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This story has been posted for 3 minutes. I am the first post as far as I know. BUT.... the link is already slashdotted?!?!? What the hell did you guys do?
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Terrorist Osama Bin Laden was found dead in his Pakistani home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
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This comment would have been at -1 too, if i weren't for the two comments per day-limit. Write your Slashdot representative now
[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]
When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.
Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.
FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.
It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.
So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.
Discussion
I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.
From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.
There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.
Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.
Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?
Shouts
To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.
To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.
To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.
To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.
To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.
Future
I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.
However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.
You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.
= Mike
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what they do?
i mean the grafix suck, the library? is one among many, and who cares about a toolkit for rpg-elements, when you can use it you can as well write your own.
So when are they going to release Arianne 5?
I would love to see it crash and burn...
Sheesh, you've gotta be kidding me.
I'm used to regular spelling errors, in fact I expect them now. But this would just make any english teacher reach for a red pen.
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Haven't these people heard of cropping an image?
Oh yeah, your desktop is very r33t, but I don't care what it looks like. Crop the image to the window or take a screenshot of only the window.
ALpha 2? And it was noted here two years ago?
When's it going to be finished. The next apocalypse?
Arianne has been released.
.. I dont wish to go to some ancient slashdot story to find the link to the arianne site.
Wow. Amazing. Kudos.
Umm how aobut a link. And no
We need new GFX ( don't ask what are them, look and do ).
You help have from the Force
You need my help not
You need new SPLCHCK (ask what are them not, look and do !)
When will I end this grieving ? When will my future begin ?
which means of course another troll bath... :(
seems the topic of the day is free game development.... first Freeciv, then the article on "mods" and now a game engine
now every genre has been covered that I like - "civ games", FPS and now RPG. I hope someone makes a RPG of high quality with this engine, perhaps a rewrite of an old console classic *hint* *hint*
- HeXa
I would like to draw everyone's attention to something.
Recently, the slashdot editors changed the rules for people with low karma.
Now, people with negative or "terrible" karma can only post 2 comments per day, which is blatantly censorship.
This has forced all the negative users to post anoynmously, which creates more noise at higher levels, and drowns out legitimate AC's. I find this needlessly foolish, as I cannot listen to genuine anonymous posts due to pwp and random crapfloods. IP banning is pointless, because it is so easy to use proxies.
Please, allow the negative users no restrictions, so they move back to -1.
Thank you.
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
perhaps a rewrite of an old console classic *hint* *hint*
and unless the game is abandonware, get royally sued by the company that owns the "console classic".
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
What happened to good old platform games, eh? eh?
Oh, sorry I forgot, 2D isn't cool anymore. Its all about texel shaders and fog effects these days isn't it? Gee, thanks Carmac!
( don't ask what are them, look and do )
With a name like that, im not surprised about the grammer and spelling.
Its really quite easy to rip off any video game/movie. All you have to do is make some small, but humurous, changes and call it a parody. Parodies are protected forms of freedom of speech, at least in the United States.
From the front page...
:) Are we trying to stop people making money from selling free software and related services?
We still need to discuss the LICENSE of Arianne as actually code is only usable for GPL projects and being an engine that perhaps is not good, also we need to avoid the GPL 2.0 blackhole by, perhaps, switching to Affero GPL to disallow service providers to avoid the GPL restrictions to enforce users rights. Our goals should be:
Open Source
Disallow possible ways of close RP, AI or framework of the Engine
Allow creation of close source clients easily
Disallow use of Arianne by Service providers that doesn't collaborate into Open Source
The resulting license and the discussion to reach it should be done on arianne-general. I WON'T allow any kind of Arianne special License. We DON'T forbid commercialization of Arianne, we forbid closing source the application.
Apart from the fact that I can only make sense of one word in three, I smell confusion. If the code is currently released under GPL, then I guess that's because either (a) it contains code borrowed from some other GPL'd program, (b) one or more of the developers has decided to copyleft their contribution, or (c) both of the above. If you want to modify the license in some way, you'd better start re-writing the parts of the code which are under GPL.
Let's look at these goals:
> Open Source
GPL does that.
> Disallow possible ways of close RP, AI or
> framework of the Engine
GPL does that.
> Allow creation of close source clients easily
Why would you want to do that? As RMS would say, "We are not excluding them from our community; they are choosing not to enter".
> Disallow use of Arianne by Service providers
> that doesn't collaborate into Open Source
Why would you want to do that? If they're not producing a "derivative work", then they cannot infringe on anyone's copyright. I'm not entirely sure what's meant by "collaborate into"; if it means "contribute", then it's blatantly unfair (why should a distributer/service provider have to also write code for the priviledge?); if it means "co-operate with", well it still doesn't make sense
> We DON'T forbid commercialization of Arianne
GPL doesn't do that either.
> we forbid closing source the application.
GPL does that.
I don't understand where this compulsion to avoid the GPL is coming from. I mean, we're writing *free* software here, yes? Seems to be the perfect candidate from where I'm sitting.
(For the full story on "commercialisation" vs GPL see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.html)
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You are the man H3xa. One of the first posts that actually deal with the story. I just wanted to say that we are old now, growing up on Nintendo and SNES, where the games actually had stories(sometimes). I feel sorry for the kids of today, who's attention span is too short to actually read/listen to the story line. Must shoot zombies/terrorists/nazis/other enemy of the week. The only positive I suppose would be that it lets you truly appreciate games like Deus Ex.
Great, alpha 2. Let me start using it right away so I have to redo all my work when they decide to completely change the way the system works in alpha 3, 4, and again in betas 1-9. Yaaaaaaaaay!
You don't need to go that far.
;)
Hell, Square gets away with it without parodying anything.
Yay for lack of originality.
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Oooh err, we get to "know" Arianne as well? Anybody else find those biblical connotations amusing?
The design of Arianne takes care of that.
The server don't trust client information, and does not reveal expoitable information to the client.
This increases server work, but prohibits cheating as much as possible.
As far as the licensing issue, the Arianne team has nothing against closed-source clients, but will always provide an Open Source one.
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to the Arianne folks on all their hard work!
I should have picked out the nickname Demosthenes!Tecumseh.
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There's this company called Nevrax founded by Slashdot reader Lejade that makes a MUCH better engine: NeL AND it's released under the GPL, AND they are using it to make a very unique looking MMORPG called Ryzom. :(
Check out the screenshots in the "download" section! Although beware: the site is not very Mozilla friendly and uses Quicktime and Realmedia. Bleurgh!
Almost offtopic, but it relates:
So I'm browsing around last night for an RPG, or really any game which looks especially interesting. I run across many RPG engines... more engines than games. While this and other engines of course are interesting, I'm looking to play on them. Can someone tell me (us) where to get the good RPGs and other games?
Developers: We can use your help.
Yessitwaz...
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can't believe they are so dumb...
I take a week holiday and then I am asked to take one more night...
Jamie, I won't mail you (2KB for a private "fsck you" is too small), I prefer burning your bandwidth an exponentially higher way by just posting some text here that a few thousand people will also load... several dozen MB gone...
Slashdot yourself, you moron.
How is it that the nice people in the OSS community, who is comprised of some very intelligent people, actually believe that releasing a great game engine to other programmers will suddenly result in great games?
A game is successful because of content (graphics, gameplay, etc).
Programmers are notorious for making bad graphics, and being unable (in general, there are always a few at the outsides of the bell curves) to create good content.
We need some more artistic geeks for this stuff to really reveal its power.
Who's gonna bother writing a game for some obscure engine when you can do it all with flash or shockwave?
... to ban Anonymous Coward posts ... I'm not exactly sure how this was meant to go anyway
First it was the Trolls, no-one said anything cause well.. They are Trolls
Then it was the Anonymous Cowards, no-one said anything.. cause they were mostly Trolls now
Then
HEH....
How many word processors are there? How many people write the Great Amercian Novel?
An RPG, even a console-style one, takes a ton of work, not only programming, but lots and lots of art, scripting, CGI and other specialized tasks. One person can't bang it out and have something that meets professional standards, at least on the PC.
So far, we're not seeing a lot of successful community game projects. Maybe that will change, I'd like to think so, but I don't see it happening.
Jon Acheson
All opinions expressed herein are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled.
yet I got modded "Off Topic"......... oh well :(
- HeXa
Should somebody tell these guys that you can run the original nintendo zelda via an emulator?
Sounds [from an outsiders point of view] like its similar to wildtangent. Wildtangent has a pretty nice engine, very well documented. Of course, I don't think its GPLd, but just to point out that there are other 'internet engines' out there.
On an aside, try some of the games if you can. They're good-looking, and some of them are real fun.
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Don't worry, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep in a giant blender.
I recommend they skip .
"Cheating is not going to be allowed nor tolerated; if you are caught cheating you are going to be kicked off of the server and your possessions given to the local lord."
Wow! Too bad the US government wasn't running Arianne prior to Enron et al...
Science, like Nature, must also be tamed, with a view turned towards its preservation.
I recommend that they skip version 5.
Alternatively, you could stop taking the piss out of the guys' C++. I'm betting its a second language for him. Unless you can program in his first language (Logo?) at least as well as he programs in C++ your best bet is prolly to hush up.
As in the case of a ski lodge in which young women look for husbands and husbands look for young women, the situation is not as symmetric as it first appears.