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QuickTime 6 Is Out

flamingnight writes "If you go to Apple's QuickTime page, you'll notice that QuickTime 6 has been released. No mention of QT 5 anywhere on the site. Features include the long-awaited MPEG-4 support, 50+ input/output formats, and plenty of A/V codecs and video effects (see Apple - QuickTime - Specifications for a full list)." It's available for Mac OS 8/9, Mac OS X 10.1.3+, and Windows 98/2000/NT/Me/XP (does anyone actually use Windows Me?). Just remember that your QuickTime 5 key won't work with QuickTime 6.

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  1. Just great... by Streyeder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let the file association war continue....

    1. Re:Just great... by reaper20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bleh ... let the "Icon on desktop, system tray, quick launch menu, start menu war" begin as well.

      All pale compared to the Retarded User Interface Competition, where everyone wins, except the user.

    2. Re:Just great... by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      Real's come on board MPEG-4 but MS has decided to go its own way.

      Bummer.

  2. Interesting TIming by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

    Considering MacWorld begins in less than 48 hours, why release now? I would have thought this would have been the big thing during the keynote along with Jaguar.

    Are they trying to one-up the Corona announcement from MS?

    1. Re:Interesting TIming by normiep · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe they're planning on releasing all of their footage of the event on their web site in format only viewable with quicktime 6. Seems like a good way to get people to upgrade.

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    2. Re:Interesting TIming by jamesoutlaw · · Score: 2

      they will probably be broadcasting the keynote in MPEG4 format to show off the capabilities of QT6.... at least that's my guess as to why it was released today and not on Wednesday.

  3. Re:Key won't work by Mr+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

    QT5? What Quicktime 5?

    There was no Quicktime 5. All of you must be remembering wrong. There is only Quicktime 6.

  4. Great... by SkyLeach · · Score: 2

    Now will someone point me to a decent howto on how to get .mov, .qt or .mpeg/.avi/MPEG4/Divix :-) to play on my kde desktop? I've tried this in the past and all I ever get are tons of headaches and eventually I just give up.

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    1. Re:Great... by blakestah · · Score: 3, Informative

      1) Install xine, use it as the default for quicktime movies in your browser. This default works for most
      things.

      2) Install WINE and use it to play other stuff encoded in the latest and greatest proprietary formats that only the real QuickTime understands.

      Also, you could substitute mplayer for xine and get the same success rate.

    2. Re:Great... by SubtleNuance · · Score: 2

      I agree with the xine recommendation, have a look here: here it talks about mplayer, but you can surf down to the middle of the page. What you want is avifile -- grab that.

      Have a look at section 4 of the Xine Faq about where to put them, and exactly which files your after.

      How about this from our friends at Linux Liberation Front, the win32codecs (half-way-down(win32-codecs-1.0-1plf.i586)) all packed up for 'ya.

      Enjoy!

  5. Hee Hee... So much for MS's Thunder by skribble · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MS Talks... Apple ships.

    Nice job Apple (for once.)

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    1. Re:Hee Hee... So much for MS's Thunder by damiam · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope. WiMP supports Windows Media Video, which is not MPEG-4. It's a version of the MPEG-4 video codec wrapped in a nonstandard format. MPEG-4 is much more than a video codec, it's a standard for describing multimedia, based on the Quicktime file format. AFAIK, MS doesn't have an MPEG-4 implementation released or even in planning.

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    2. Re:Hee Hee... So much for MS's Thunder by IronChef · · Score: 3, Informative

      MPEG-4 has quite a bit to do with QuickTime.

  6. And still no Linux port by boa13 · · Score: 2

    QuickTime is one of the few reasons I reboot under Windows from time to time. Gotta watch that Two Towers trailer... :)

    1. Re:And still no Linux port by Merlin42 · · Score: 2

      Come on shell out the $25 and get crossover-plugin ... That is how I watched the Two Towers Trailer.

    2. Re:And still no Linux port by MoneyT · · Score: 2

      So do your own port if it's not so hard. Hell all the source for darwin is there, and QT is for OS X, so all you would have to do is remove it's dependancies on aqua.

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    3. Re:And still no Linux port by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      The list of apple sponsored open source projects is here. Of course this doesn't include the patches they send to all the OSS they 'borrow'. So besides hosting projects and contributing to existing ones (like GCC improvements to improve PPC optimization) what the heck do you want?

  7. Still no mpeg-2 import... by weave · · Score: 2

    Still can't import an mpeg-2 video. My capture card has a hardware mpeg-2 encoder. Figures... :-(

    1. Re:Still no mpeg-2 import... by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know MPEG-2 support was promised in a QT6 FAQ. I wonder why it was quietly dropped.

    2. Re:Still no mpeg-2 import... by Pfhor · · Score: 2

      Possibly because of contract terms with the MPEG4 group, over the whole stream licensing issue. I believe there were a lot of people also from the movie industry involved, so making it harder to play back mpeg2 (DVD) files could have been the trade off.

      Or I could just be making stuff up.

    3. Re:Still no mpeg-2 import... by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 2

      MPEG-2 playback is now available. However, you have to pay for it. Probably to cover license fees.

  8. Re:Key won't work by Snuffub · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Just remember that your QuickTime 5 key won't work with QuickTime 6."

    wow this is a new low, slashdotters not only dont read the linked material they also refuse to read the three sentences that are describing the story.

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  9. Re:Key won't work by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Whether you use a Macintosh or Windows-based PC, you can harness the power of QuickTime Pro for media authoring and play back of high-quality audio and video. All for just $29.99."

    More Info: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/upgrade/

    I don't know why they don't give Pro away on new desktops. You drop $1500 on a powermac and they want $30 more?

  10. Re:Key won't work by Silverhammer · · Score: 3, Informative
    From this page:
    Because QuickTime 6 includes royalty-bearing technologies, a new QuickTime Pro key is required to unlock Pro functionality in QuickTime 6.
  11. Re:Does anyone actually use windows ME? by zangdesign · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even Win95 users are laughing at you for that. ME should have been called "Mistaken Edition" for combining the worst aspects of Win98 and Win2K into one horrible mishmash that makes Win3.1 users feel superior.

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  12. Crossover? by npietraniec · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Crossover plugin seems to still be downloading QT5 installer. Has anyone got QT6 running under crossover?

    1. Re:Crossover? by caseih · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep. It works fine. Just do:

      crossover/bin/wine.sh QuickTimeInstaller.exe

  13. lol by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

    interesting idea. that's one way to limit the server load.

  14. Re:Key won't work by martyn+s · · Score: 2

    I don't understand...the 30$ I paid the first time doesn't cover the royalties? Bull Oney, I say!

  15. does anyone actually use Windows Me? by N8F8 · · Score: 3, Informative

    does anyone actually use Windows Me?

    Yes, a whole bunch of people, but they think they are running Windows 2000. I've had to break the bad news to four people so far when I helped them fix their computers. Great MS marketing. Millenium? 2000? whats the difference.

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  16. Re:Does anyone actually use windows ME? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You've just proven that you lie in your signature.

    whap whap...

  17. No Nags ever again by 3ryon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's how to get rid of the QT nag screens. QT will nag you the first time it's launched each day (or some increment of time). When you choose "Later" it sets a value in the registry to remind you tomorrow.

    So, set your clock forward about twenty years (make sure you close any meeting reminder software first) and then launch QT. Tell it "Later" and then set your clock back. Haven't tested this with QT6, but it worked with 5.

    1. Re:No Nags ever again by misterplow · · Score: 2, Funny
      Somewhat related . . .

      When doing Y2K testing here at work, someone else in the dept set his clock forward a couple months (into 2000) to see just what would happen.

      He forgot to close his email program before doing this.

      The email system (client) is set to automatically delete emails over 90 days old. The look on his face as his mailbox items - one by one - disappeared (as he was watching!) was priceless.

    2. Re:No Nags ever again by dbrutus · · Score: 2

      The graphics people who are the core of the Mac audience is used to crashing many times a day. They have tight deadlines and little time to monkey around with their systems and a crying need to use very funky graphic manipulation software that has always been seriously unstable.

      In that kind of atmosphere uptimes of a month are a very nice change indeed.

  18. 2GB files? by captaineo · · Score: 2

    Does anyone know if Quicktime 6 supports AVI and DV files over 2GB? Quicktime 5 cuts off all video beyond the 2GB mark on AVI and DV files.

    1. Re:2GB files? by captaineo · · Score: 2

      Yes, the OpenDML extensions allow AVI files over 2GB, and I use them routinely. The problem is that Quicktime 5 only supports old-style (VfW) AVI files, meaning it won't find any data beyond 2GB.

      A different issue is that Quicktime 5's DV stream reader also does not recognize data beyond 2GB.

      Apple needs to wake up and start using 64-bit file APIs. I know they can do this because QT5 does support MOV files larger than 2GB!

      (I need DV support because my own software reads/writes raw DV streams, and I need large AVIs because uncompressed AVI is my standard video format; uncompressed Quicktime is much less common in my work)

    2. Re:2GB files? by usr122122121 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Does anyone know if Quicktime 6 supports AVI and DV files over 2GB?
      Perhaps you should see someone about your porn addiction.

      GEEZ, that's getting a little out of hand. pun (un)intended.

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    3. Re:2GB files? by captaineo · · Score: 2

      I forgot to specify that I was using the Windows version =). I never used the Mac version of QT5 so I don't know if it had the same limitations.

      My primary goal is to become independent of proprietary multimedia libraries. I like using uncompressed AVIs because I know enough about the file format to write them without help from any external libraries. If worst comes to worst I could probably find a way to write uncompressed MOVs myself too. (I know there is a free Quicktime library; but is the file format actually documented anywhere?)

    4. Re:2GB files? by captaineo · · Score: 2

      I work with multi-GB DV files every day, recorded with dv1394 or encoded using the MainConcept codec. A DV file is simply a continuous stream of 120KB frames; there is no meta-data or index as with MOV and AVI, so there is no inherent length limitation.

      The root of this whole 2GB mess is that old file access APIs and file formats used signed 32-bit quantities for file sizes. 64-bit file access APIs have been available for years now, and both MOV and AVI file formats have been extended to support 64-bit sizes. But sadly there is still a ton of software out there (including Quicktime!) using the old 32-bit formats...

    5. Re:2GB files? by captaineo · · Score: 2

      I should add that some programs (e.g. Adobe Premiere 6.0) have audio sync problems dealing with very long DV files. I suspect this is because DV allows the number of audio samples per frame to vary by a tiny bit, whereas the software expects to see a fixed number of samples each frame.

  19. Text Import/Export by carambola5 · · Score: 2

    Yes! The ultimate codec! You have no idea how long I've been looking for one of those.

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  20. bad news for Linux? by tps12 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hm, I can't help but fear that this may have a negative impact on the acceptance of Linux among the all-important college student and single IT worker demographics.

    Basically, Linux has caught on with people who, due to constant exposure to Windows, hate Microsoft. These people happen to be largely male, largely affluent, and largely large (ha ha).

    These days, if you're going non-Windows, you don't have many choices. Basically, it's down to Linux and Mac. And when these anti-MS geeks choose their OS, they will choose the one of these that best suits their needs. QuickTime 6 will give them the ability to watch their multi-gig porn collections and pirated DIVX files, without all of the messy command line mucking about that is necessary for multimedia under Linux.

    As a Linux user, I wish Apple hadn't released this. Or at the very least, that Slashdot (a pro-Linux site) hadn't reported it. *sigh*

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    1. Re:bad news for Linux? by imr · · Score: 5, Funny

      without all of the messy command line mucking about that is necessary for multimedia under Linux.
      what are you talking about?
      mplayer -aop list=resample:fout=2 -vo xv -dvd 1 -gui is quite straightforward and every new user coming from a GUI environment would find it quite easily. It's interactive, it's intuitive, it's pretty and it's fun. Like a gui.
      OK, OK, i admit, I've actually grown a few extra fingers ...

    2. Re:bad news for Linux? by imr · · Score: 2

      well, I just tried xine 0.9 yesterday evening and feel a little ashamed of my easy humour.
      The program is so easy, with a nice new gui and great image quality. Final Fantasy was beautifull.
      And i'm sure, the mplayer gui will sooner or later (perhaps already) permits to tweak all the options of this great soft.
      And ogle, and videolan (impressive!!!), ...
      We have a great choice of apps now, and we even have the choice to use CLI ! (to keep all those new mutant fingers active!).
      CLI The choice of a new generation (of mutants).

  21. Re:Why is QuickTime still around? by thedbp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously, you don't understand that QuickTime isn't a codec, but an architecture with which to manipulate video and audio.

    Maybe you're just an old-skool apple basher who is deserately clinging onto any outdated viewpoint you can in order to convince your friends that you made a good computer purchasing decision.

  22. Re:WinME by Merlin42 · · Score: 2

    No! WinME is windows without user-space.

  23. Re:ME by daeley · · Score: 2

    Hell, I have OS 7 running on the Mac SE sitting to my right. If bored, start up it and the shiny, dual-processor G4 servers to my left and compare. LOL

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  24. Re:ME - OS 8.6, yes! by Etcetera · · Score: 2


    Strangely enough, yes. Mac OS 8.6 was BULLETPROOF. I remember running an ALPHA version of ASIP 6.0 on 8.6 for several months without a reboot. I've also had production machines that have gone well over a year 8.6 w/o anything bad happening to them.

    Compared to the bloat and (early) instability of OS 9, OS 8.6 made them lean, mean, classic Mac OS machines. Really the only reason not to use that as a reference release would be if you were short on RAM.

  25. Never crashes by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 2

    except that it crashes every 15min XP crashes every 30.

    I have WinMe running some dynamic DNS software, Netscape and telnet once in a while. It does not crash. Again, it does not crash. It's been running for a few weeks, the last time it restarted was when my power went out and my UPS ran out.

    By itself, Windows never crashes. It just can't handle running programs!

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    1. Re:Never crashes by xtremex · · Score: 2

      that's funny...a few weeks? My Linux box has been up for 10 months straight! And it would have been more if I didnt add memory.

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    2. Re:Never crashes by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Ha, my old DOS6.00 box ran for 22 months without a reboot. Of course it was positively prehistoric, but remember, prehistory was a lot longer than modern history :)

      Actually, I *expect* such stable behaviour from any system, and thump on it until it gives in no matter what the OS is!

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    3. Re:Never crashes by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Dang, I knew there was a hitch :)

      But now that you mention it... wasn't Apache ported to Win32 a while back? Certainly strikes me as a good thing to do, if only so folk with Win32 servers can get a taste of a decent web server.
      [insert obrant about M$IIS... did you know you can crash an NT4/M$IIS server with nothing but an ordinary browser, just by quickly making and interrupting a series of perfectly normal HTTP requests?? IOW, keep reloading the page before it gets done coming across.]

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  26. Quicktime 5 was retracted due to faulty research.. by Bigger+R · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and Quicktime 7, though it would be very unstable, is suspected to exist.

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  27. I use OS 8 you fat... by mekkab · · Score: 2

    Oh wait, that comment was already written...

    But For the longest time I was running 8.5 (*NOT* 8.6, 8.5!) simply becuase I never had to reboot. If it isn't broke, don't fix it! (however when I wanted some more applscript support and usb I had to upgrade to 8.6)

    P.S.- not only does that machine still boot into 8.6 and linuxppc, but it also boots into 7.6! Why? I have some old sound apps that only run under it. So be it.

    Heck, if I want to use my powermac as a glorified Apple ][gs (running bernie ][ the rescue!) I can do that too! I'm crazy!(plus it also lets me play NEUROMANCER)

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  28. Here is your solution... by toupsie · · Score: 2
    Now will someone point me to a decent howto on how to get .mov, .qt or .mpeg/.avi/MPEG4/Divix :-) to play on my kde desktop? I've tried this in the past and all I ever get are tons of headaches and eventually I just give up.

    Simple. Once you do this, you will never have to worry about Quicktime ever when using a KDE desktop on your UNIX system.

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  29. Re:WinME by ChristianBaekkelund · · Score: 2

    I for one would want the NT kernel, as it was far more stable than the Windows 98...

    Windows ME, more than anything else, is just Windows 98 Third Edition + a little movie maker program for fun.

    IMHO, better than 98, worse than 2000, and XP, well, I'm not gonna touch XP w/ a 100000' pole yet.

  30. Anti Slashdot Effect by Peyna · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ah, nothing like seeing Apple/Akamai stand up to slashdot like noone else can. I had use Internet Explorer instead of Mozilla just so I could see what the download speed was (mozilla doesn't display final speed when download is complete). 10 MB/s (that's Megabytes). Talk about no slashdot effect at all!

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  31. Re:Just One Security Flaw by MrResistor · · Score: 2

    It's not as bad because it's nearly impossible to get ME to talk to other machines on the network. I guess they figure you wouldn't put that much effort into sharing stuff with someone you didn't implicitly trust...

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  32. Older releases _are_ still available.. by David+McBride · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... here.

  33. Re:Apple is strange... by ZxCv · · Score: 2

    Sell them to VAR's?

    Yup. Right after they released the new iBooks a couple months ago, MacZone had tons of the discontinued iBook 500 models for sale. In fact, the most recent MacZone I got still had them. I would imagine that other resellers, like PowerMax, do the same thing.

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  34. Bah! by tempest303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Still no Vorbis support listed in the codecs section!

    Would it have been SOOOOO hard to build in a Vorbis decoder from xiph.org's BSD-licensed reference decorder? HUH? WOULD IT?

    *sigh*... Oh, well. Perhaps some day they'll give in and build in Vorbis support.

    Any Mac-aware types care to guess on if/when this'll happen?

    1. Re:Bah! by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2
      Would it have been SOOOOO hard to build in a Vorbis decoder from xiph.org's BSD-licensed reference decorder?

      You forgot to add "for the 150 people who read slashdot that actually use it?" :)

      But seriously. When you have a deadline and it costs to implement things you often one of those horrible things called a "cost/benifit analysis".

      I'm willing to bet that for all the cost in time and effort it would take to impelement it, they probably couldn't see why there would be any decent return.

      I hate to be a cynic but outside slashdot very very few people have actually heard of Ogg Vobis, let alone care.

      Don't believe me? Go sample 20 random people in the street. You'll be lucky if you find one person that knows what you're talking about. But well over three quarters of them will have heard of mp3.

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    2. Re:Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    3. Re:Bah! by tempest303 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but unfortunately, it'll never ship by default unless APPLE makes it themselves. (Apple typically exhibits serious Not Invented Here syndrome, IMHO) And as it's been seen, users typically do not download add-ons, and do not change defaults. They use the software as they receive it, so until Ogg is shipped by default with QT, like it is with Winamp, it won't be available to most QT users, period.

    4. Re:Bah! by tempest303 · · Score: 2

      Well, my question on "would it have been SOOOO hard" wasn't entirely rhetorical - WOULD it have been so difficult? What's the actual cost of making a plugin for a totally patent-free, BSD-licenesed audio codec?

      Also, while the return is not immediate, including Vorbis would be considered an "investment" in the cost/benefit analysis. Perhaps they're cynical on Vorbis' future, but again, I'd really love to know just how horribly hard it would have been to create a Vorbis plugin and ship it with QT6. Yes, it costs money, but my *guess* is that it couldn't be THAT hard, and while it's not guaranteed they'll get much return it's probably a tiny cost. I may be wrong here, however. Anyone have any credible estimates?

      Thirdly, you'll notice that Apple includes such fantastically popular codecs as:

      ALaw 2:1
      IMA 4:1
      MACE 3:1
      MACE 6:1
      MS ADPCM (decode only)
      QDesign Music 2
      Qualcomm PureVoice
      ULaw 2:1

      You can't tell me that Joe Sixpack has heard of THESE either, yet they're included!

      Again, in my frustration, I was overly-sarcastic - what really IS the cost to Apple here? Any developers or (clueful) managers have some realistic estimates?

    5. Re:Bah! by gwernol · · Score: 4, Informative

      Would it have been SOOOOO hard to build in a Vorbis decoder from xiph.org's BSD-licensed reference decorder? HUH? WOULD IT?

      No, it would be easy. Apple publish the full QuickTime APIs. Go to it.

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    6. Re:Bah! by gwernol · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but unfortunately, it'll never ship by default unless APPLE makes it themselves. (Apple typically exhibits serious Not Invented Here syndrome, IMHO)

      Take a look at this list. Okay it refers to an earlier version of QuickTime, but of the 22 video codecs, 18 are not invented by Apple. Most are open standards (JPEG, RGB, GIF, MPEG), one is even a Microsoft standard.

      NIH? I don't think so.

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    7. Re:Bah! by Etcetera · · Score: 2

      MACE 3:1
      MACE 6:1


      Wow, I remember reading about MACE back in Inside Macintosh, Vol IV. Back when the System 7 sound manager was the coolest thing since sliced bread...

    8. Re:Bah! by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

      QuickTime has automatic downloading of components, so hopefully once the Vorbis component is finished it will auto-install whenever it is needed.

  35. Re:off topic by martyn+s · · Score: 2

    Yeah, it's a teaser, not much to see. I just saw it, it's very cool. I just finished the book, which is really great.

  36. O. G. G. by jcsehak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Three simple letters. That's all I wanted. How long must us iTunes whores be slaves to the mp3 format? Maybe the next iTunes release will support it, but I figure that if it's not in QT, it's not gonna be in iTunes.

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    1. Re:O. G. G. by pigpen_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My theory on OGG is that it will be implemented once there is a 1.0 release (which is now in CVS) and a spec. I don't think Apple would release a new iTunes with a beta codec that they know will change. For know I just use the handy quicktime component and my oggs play fine in iTunes. The iPod is a diifferent story. They might add it in as software but I don't think there are currently any chips that decode OGG in hardware. Although, I could be wrong about that.

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    2. Re:O. G. G. by jcsehak · · Score: 2

      I was holding out for the 20gig one, but now I'm holding out for the one with a mic/line input. No, I don't have any reason to believe they're ever going to actually make one, but since what I'm really holding out for is a job, :) I get to make up new features to hold out for every time a new one is released.

      But if they ever make one with a mic, I'll be getting it, job or no job, and then I'll have a child, and something to name.

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    3. Re:O. G. G. by tempest303 · · Score: 2

      Actually, you may have hit it on the head. While the method of decoding Vorbis is frozen, so any file encoded as Vorbis will decode with files from future Vorbis encoders, the encoder is not frozen. Given that iTunes is supposed to be a "total solution" for music, 'rip, mix, burn', as they put it, perhaps they're waiting for when they can make a total solution out of Vorbis, encoding and decoding. Before that happens, they'll surely wait for 1.0 to come out in its final form.

      While I have to disagree with this strategy, it's better than the grim possibility that they don't EVER plan to support it. :(

    4. Re:O. G. G. by jcsehak · · Score: 2

      Sweet! I didn't know 1.0 wasn't ready yet. That makes perfect sense; I'm sure your theory is correct. I'll be downloading that QT component now...

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  37. FCP users & QT6 by AnamanFan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone out there have Final Cut Pro and installed QT6 (without getting a new key)?

    I would like to be able to use the free parts of QT6 (Downloading trailers for one), but still be able to use FCP at full QT5Pro strength. If anyone out there has already done this, please post your experience. Thanks in advance!

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    1. Re:FCP users & QT6 by AnamanFan · · Score: 2

      After a bit more research, I think I can respond to my own post on some answers:

      As stated in the FAQ that's titled under "QuickTime 6 Public Preview FAQ" at the time of this post:

      I have QuickTime 5. Can I run both QuickTime 5 and QuickTime 6 on the same machine?
      No. QuickTime 6 will replace QuickTime 5 upon installation.


      This is not good. At this moment it's not too bad, but when the requirements for QT6 pop up everywhere, I will be in a rock and hard place. FCP will not work unless you have a Pro version. Considering I just got FCP 3 a few months ago, and the rest of the video industry is the same way... people are not going to be happy.

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  38. where she stops, nobody knows by jafac · · Score: 2

    Yes, it's time once again for file-format(and codec) roulette. Where you install an update to your media player, and wonder, which files that used to not play will play, and which files that used to play will not (as some obscure alpha codec you downloaded last year gets overwritten by it's broken progeny, or removed altogether by the installer looking to "tidy things up").

    I swear, with QT 3.0 I could play ANYTHING. Then with 4.0, a bunch of files just wouldn't play anymore, then with 5.0, a bunch more broke, and pretty much every new file coming out was in some bastardized version of DivX that either didn't work at all or had no audio, or had audio but no video, and I downloaded every codex imaginable, DivX, 3ivX, and every media-cleaner program, converter, translator, set of video tools, and nothing fucking fixed it - and nobody could offer a coherent explanation as to why.

    So should I install QT 6 - and watch another round of the player helplessly trying to download codecs that aren't there, never were there, and never will be there, while the player shows a white screen? Or should I go back to QT 3.0, where I can simply watch everything. (except the DivX crap).

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  39. Re:WinME by Lxy · · Score: 2

    I should clarify....

    By saying that I boot ME every few months means that I only use ME every few months. My P233 with ME dual boots FreeBSD. I can't get > 2 hours of uptime out of ME, but I'm usually beating the crap out of it and running it on slow hardware. It's everything bad about 98 with some beta stuff from XP. Scenario: I needed a Windoze box for infrequent use. Win95 won't support USB. Win98 has issues with my NIC. ME conquers both, and gives me the benefit of the best games of the three. Win2K or XP? Too bulky to run on my box.

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  40. Is there any surreptitious DRM crap in QT6? by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 2

    I'm looking to dump Windows Media Player once and for all -- I'll accept whatever version ships with Windows 2000, but I've grown wear of having to worry about EULA updates and security holes in my friggin' video player, of all things. That being said, are there any known evil features in Quicktime 6? Things that Apple has built into it that will affect the way I work, without exception? DRM is the obvious example of this, but any addition info would be welcome...........

  41. No love for recent QT 5 Pro License Buyers by Silas · · Score: 2

    I just bought the unlock license for QT 5 Pro a few weeks ago. I just called a friendly Apple sales rep and asked if there were any opportunities to get a discount on the QT 6 unlock, or a refund on the QT 5 license. She indicated that there were no such opportunities, but that I should check back later. If anyone finds different, let us know.

    1. Re:No love for recent QT 5 Pro License Buyers by pi+radians · · Score: 2

      I just bought the unlock license for QT 5 Pro a few weeks ago.

      It would have paid off to do a little research. Since the QT6 Public Preview release like a month ago it's been a well known fact that you would have to buy a new license for QT6Pro.

      It's too bad you didn't, but luckily it's not a HUGE cost, just a pain.

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  42. Re:WinME by raresilk · · Score: 2
    I installed ME about a year ago because my music software (Cubase, Reaktor) crashed the shit out of 98SE, and my pro audio card (Echo Layla) was looking like it would never have drivers for Win2K. I've had few if any problems with ME - it crashes far less than 98SE, and seems to work as well as any MS system with the music stuff and games, which is all I use Windows for anyway. Our Windows and Mac boxen are firewalled off behind a Linux box and router, so the lesser security of ME vs. the NT kernel is not as much concern as it might be to some. I'm satisfied enough with ME that even though Echo now has Win2K drivers, and I already own a copy of Win2K, I haven't bothered to migrate. Just my two cents.

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  43. Quicktime Broadcaster Also Out by greygent · · Score: 2

    Quicktime Broadcaster has also been released:

    http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/broadcas te r/

  44. ogg vorbis by dfn5 · · Score: 2

    Ho hum. Still no Ogg Vorbis support.

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    1. Re:ogg vorbis by 90XDoubleSide · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's up to Ogg to make a component for QuickTime if they want to, and obviously they don't.

      Anyway, it includes AAC which produces noticebly better sound at smaller file sizes than Vorbis. (It's not free, but the point of QuickTime is that it provides affordable access to some great, commercial codecs; it's great technology, and it's licensed from Dolby, not those MPEG-4 patent owners.)

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    2. Re:ogg vorbis by damiam · · Score: 3, Informative
      It's up to Ogg to make a component for QuickTime if they want to

      They already have.

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    3. Re:ogg vorbis by dfn5 · · Score: 2

      And so far it is pretty lame. You have to change the file extension to .mov and then change the resource type of the file. And if I did do that it would make the files unusable on the other platforms I use. Is it too much to ask to simply be able to play a .ogg file through Itunes?

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  46. MPEG-4 patent licensing out by The+Bastard · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple released on the same day MPEG-LA announced licensing fees for MPEG-4 Visual, Systems and MPEG-J patents. Details here.

  47. Quicktime in Linux and such... by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, quicktime seems to work quite well on linux via, for example, mplayer, with the sole exception that I've run into of SVQ3 (Sorenson, of course). SVQ1 is even working now, with optimized code (also appearing in FFMPEG) based on the reverse engineering done by the folks working on Xine. Oddly enough, the specifications page for QT6 mentiones SVQ2 and SVQ3, but implies that it DOESN'T support SVQ1...

    If the release of QT6 means that MPEG4 will become the "default" codec for QuickTime movies as time goes on (as some posts, As well as several of the QuickTime pages at Apple, are hinting), the "quicktime barrier" to video on linux will all but disappear, since as far as I can tell just about every variant of MPEG4 works on Linux in some form or another. I suppose this depends on how the dispute between Apple and Sorenson goes...(anybody heard anything about that lately?) and how long it takes someone to work out how to interpret the type of what I assume are "pointer files" or something of the sort on the previously mentioned apple Quicktime Mpeg4 page (mplayer seems to have trouble decoding them...)

    Of course, somewhere in here I should insert the obligatory comment about Ogg Theora and how I wish they'd hurry up and get the mailing lists working and get a working prototype that I can test, but as I can't think of what to say, I won't....

  48. Re:VideoLAN and QT6? by Deltan · · Score: 3, Informative

    The current VLC is still broke with the final QT6. Maybe they'll release an updated one soon. They seem to blame Apple.

  49. What's better, QT 5 Pro or QT 6? by e40 · · Score: 2

    I'm definitely not upgrading to QT 6 Pro, since I just got QT 5 Pro before the announcement of 6 Pro.

  50. Linux can now stream live video to Win/Mac clients by Karpe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thanks to MPEG4IP MPEG-4 streaming capabilities, from an encoded MPEG-4 file (it has a converter, that can take XviD encoded AVIs and output .mp4), or live Video4Linux encoding. If only they could get rid of the patenting issues completely...

  51. Re:Buy it by alfredo · · Score: 2

    and there will be no nags, for a couple years.

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  52. Oh whoopeee... by spoco2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gee tops... I just downloaded it (WinXP) and still found:

    * It still puts an icon on the desktop and quicklaunch bar without asking

    * It now puts a system tray icon also without asking, did it use to do that?

    * It still always starts up with the damn 'Register now' dialog. Don't they make enough money via making it one of the standards out there and virtually forcing any company serious about video on the web to purchase QTPro in order to create compatible video? (I have no problem with that as a way of making money, I completely agree that if you're creating content for the web using their system, then, yup, pay for it, their prices are reasonable... but surely I shouldn't be bugged about the fact that this product exists when I have no desire to ever create a .mov file... I make MPEGs or Divx... :)

    * Still can't play fullscreen unless you pay for it

    * I still don't see why it's so damn loved... as cludgy as the interface of WMP is, at least I can easily create playlists by dragging my files into the player, can always play fullscreen and I don't have to put up with any 'register now' pretty please' dialogues.

    Of course I _have_ to have QT on my system if I want to watch all the latest movie trailers in nice quality, but their software isn't nice, it's intrusive, and I don't like that.

    (Of course it has nothing on Realplayer... man I dislike that!)

  53. Yes by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2

    (does anyone actually use Windows Me?).
    Came on my laptop, a ToeCheezba Satellite, runs tolerably well, and is absolutely not worth the aggravation to upgrade.
    I'd sooner invest in a dot com than try to install my RH7.2 distro on here.
    Since you asked.

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    1. Re:Yes by mikefoley · · Score: 2

      I'm stuck with ME on my Dell Latitude LS because I have an old DEC Roamabout (Wavelan) pre-802.11 wireless setup. There's no Win2k drivers. And I'm STILL out of a job and can't afford to get an access point and 802.11x card. Sigh.. I wish I had a Mac.

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  54. Re:Key won't work by bsartist · · Score: 5, Informative

    the 30$ I paid the first time doesn't cover the royalties?

    Seriously? No, it didn't, because the version you paid for didn't include MPEG 4.

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  55. Why this is good news... by d0n+quix0te · · Score: 2

    *Finally* an industry standard for streaming. This means the end of the Sorenson codec that has caused so many aches to Linux users.

    Real and Apple have commited to MPEG-4, the specification is open and there is no implementation fee (only a fee for non-free streams, ie free streams are not charged!)
    http://news.com.com/2100-1023-943990.html?tag=fd _t op

    This means that the new LOTR trailer and all future trailers can be viewed w/o proprietary codecs. Now all we need is for someone to deliver a MPEG-4 codec for Linux. I would help writing one, but I have no prior video experience.

    We need to rally behind MPEG-4 and bring it to our platform. Else we'll see Microsoft stealing the market with a DRM based proprietary WMP codecs!!

    Is there anyone working on MPEG-4 codecs for Linux besides these guys ?

  56. Re:Buy it by PCM2 · · Score: 2
    no nags, for a couple years
    Oh, the irony!
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  59. Dumb Question by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2

    This may be a dumb question (because since I run Linux and I own an old fashioned TV, and I love to go to movies in old fashioned multiplex's I have never really been into online video.) But if I were to run into some movie files online..and it wasn't advertised what codecs they required (or what version of what codec), how would I determine what codec (or what version of said codec) I needed to be able to partake of the wonder in front of me? It has always seemed pretty confusing to me. At least with audio if the extension is .mp3 I could be confident that 99% of players that advertised themselves as mp3 players would do the trick.

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  60. Heres the complete guide to DivX movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    QT plays some avi but DivX is something different for DivX download DivX Doctor 2 and 3ivx Delta 4, Preview Release 1. To install Delta 4 click on the script and it will automatic install the code for you. Cellulo is a good movie player I use it mostly for play lists for hundreds of split movie files. For DivX that DivX Doctor can't play which are few I use MPlayerOSX. This is all you need no more no less
    http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi? id=148 51&db=mac

    http://doctor.3ivx.com/download.html

    http://www.3ivx.com/download/macos_4_pr1.html

    http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=1 40 41&db=mac

  61. Re:Never crashes -- ditto, but I used a club on it by Reziac · · Score: 2

    I have a box (P3-500/768mb RAM) whose sole mission in life is to test stuff. It's had WinME on it for almost 2 years. Out of the box ME was a mess -- couldn't do anything without a crash. But!! I turned off Restore, I ran 98Lite in default mode, and I forced a DOS boot via the MFD patch. (And I make a point of quitting and restarting if I accidentally run the "new" help engine, because it WILL cause a crash, usually about 15 minutes later.) Since being beaten into submission, WinME has not crashed ONCE, even tho it's also the test box for hordes of ill-behaved applications of every description. (Tho WinME still has terrible resource management, which limits multitasking to no more than two apps, and it slows down to unusable after about 4 hours of real work, apparently due to piss-poor swapfile management. Gotta try it with the swapfile disabled, like I run Win98 on an identical system.)

    But... *none* of my WinBoxen crash ... and the biggest reason of all: I install ZERO M$ software other than Windows itself. M$'s own apps are Windows' worst enemy. (Did you know that OfficeXP overrides WinXP's system DLL protection??)

    Now, that said... I also don't install stuff that gets such horrible user reviews as QT5 did over on .. um, CNet, I think. (Over 30% negatives, mostly from clueful people who reported problems in great detail.) So... I'm looking for an alternative to QT (preferably free) that can play these newfangled AVIs that insist they need QT5. Any suggestions?

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  62. Re; MPEG-4 patent licensing by OrsonBallard · · Score: 4, Informative
    All in all it looks pretty fair. No royalties paid at all from not-for-profit uses and no end user royalties, although these will have to be passed on eventually. As the car salesman says, "Register now and your first 12 months are free!"

    I wonder if history will remember that it was Apple (part of the patent group) that fought the proposal to charge a fee to the end user for every second of every stream viewed? And won.

    Thank-you Apple. Really.

  63. here's the EULA by Maserati · · Score: 2, Redundant
    The EULA is a pretty good one. Not like the MS licenses at all.

    Apple is now allowing downloads without entering an email address. They explicitly set the email address field off in a seperate box from the OS choice. The "Download" button is centered below both of them and can clearly be used with the email field empty. And the email field is under the heading "Subscribe to Newsletters". Very nice. How's that for privacy ? The two subscriptions checkboxes are even off by default.

    The EULA is standard boilerplate for Apple. It has all their usual media, disclaimer of warranty and tranfer of license clauses (You are permitted to sell your used Apple software). They also disclaim any responsibility for third-party websites. Lastly, they note that the MPEG-2 components are licensed solely for consumer use and not for " ENCODING VIDEO INFORMATION FOR PACKAGED MEDIA" (whatever packaged media really means), and then gives contact info for MPEG LA, LLC for other licensing arrangements (no URL). The Pro EULA may differ.

    Not bad. It says absolutely nothing about user created content. Since the free version doesn't allow much creation, the Pro version may again have a different license.

    Text of EULA follows.

    ENGLISH Apple Computer, Inc. Software License Agreement For QuickTime PLEASE READ THE TERMS OF THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT ("LICENSE") WHICH IS EITHER ENCLOSED IN THE SOFTWARE PACKAGE AND/OR PRESENTED ELECTRONICALLY WHEN ACCESSING THE SOFTWARE. BY CLICKING THE "AGREE/ACCEPT" BUTTON, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, CLICK "DISAGREE/DECLINE" AND (IF APPLICABLE) RETURN THE APPLE SOFTWARE TO THE PLACE WHERE YOU OBTAINED IT FOR A REFUND. 1. General. The software, documentation and any fonts accompanying this License whether on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (collectively the "Apple Software") are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Computer, Inc. ("Apple") for use only under the terms of this License, and Apple reserves all rights not expressly granted to you. The rights granted herein are limited to Apple's and its licensors' intellectual property rights in the Apple Software and do not include any other patents or intellectual property rights. You own the media on which the Apple Software is recorded but Apple and/or Apple's licensor(s) retain ownership of the Apple Software itself. The rights granted under the terms of this License include any software upgrades that replace and/or supplement the original Apple Software product, unless such upgrade contains a separate license. 2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time. You may make one copy of the Apple Software in machine-readable form for backup purposes only; provided that the backup copy must include all copyright or other proprietary notices contained on the original. Except as and only to the extent expressly permitted in this License or by applicable law, you may not copy, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, or create derivative works of the Apple Software or any part thereof. THE APPLE SOFTWARE IS NOT INTENDED FOR USE IN THE OPERATION OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES, AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION OR COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEMS, LIFE SUPPORT MACHINES OR OTHER EQUIPMENT IN WHICH THE FAILURE OF THE APPLE SOFTWARE COULD LEAD TO DEATH, PERSONAL INJURY, OR SEVERE PHYSICAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE. 3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend or sublicense the Apple Software. You may, however, make a one-time permanent transfer of all of your license rights to the Apple Software to another party, provided that: (a) the transfer must include all of the Apple Software, including all its component parts, original media, printed materials and this License; (b) you do not retain any copies of the Apple Software, full or partial, including copies stored on a computer or other storage device; and (c) the party receiving the Apple Software reads and agrees to accept the terms and conditions of this License. NFR Copies: Notwithstanding other sections of this License, Apple Software labeled or otherwise provided to you on a promotional basis may only be used for demonstration, testing and evaluation purposes and may not be resold or transferred. 4. Termination. This License is effective until terminated. Your rights under this License will terminate automatically without notice from Apple if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License. Upon the termination of this License, you shall cease all use of the Apple Software and destroy all copies, full or partial, of the Apple Software. 5. Limited Warranty on Media. Apple warrants the media on which the Apple Software is recorded and delivered by Apple to be free from defects in materials and workmanship under normal use for a period of ninety (90) days from the date of original retail purchase. Your exclusive remedy under this Section shall be, at Apple's option, a refund of the purchase price of the product containing the Apple Software or replacement of the Apple Software which is returned to Apple or an Apple authorized representative with a copy of the receipt. THIS LIMITED WARRANTY AND ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES ON THE MEDIA INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, OF SATISFACTORY QUALITY, AND OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, ARE LIMITED IN DURATION TO NINETY (90) DAYS FROM THE DATE OF ORIGINAL RETAIL PURCHASE. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW LIMITATIONS ON HOW LONG AN IMPLIED WARRANTY LASTS, SO THE ABOVE LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. THE LIMITED WARRANTY SET FORTH HEREIN IS THE ONLY WARRANTY MADE TO YOU AND IS PROVIDED IN LIEU OF ANY OTHER WARRANTIES (IF ANY) CREATED BY ANY DOCUMENTATION OR PACKAGING. THIS LIMITED WARRANTY GIVES YOU SPECIFIC LEGAL RIGHTS, AND YOU MAY ALSO HAVE OTHER RIGHTS WHICH VARY BY JURISDICTION. 6. Disclaimer of Warranties. YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT USE OF THE APPLE SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO SATISFACTORY QUALITY, PERFORMANCE, ACCURACY AND EFFORT IS WITH YOU. EXCEPT FOR THE LIMITED WARRANTY ON MEDIA SET FORTH ABOVE AND TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, THE APPLE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITH ALL FAULTS AND WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, AND APPLE AND APPLE'S LICENSORS (COLLECTIVELY REFERRED TO AS "APPLE" FOR THE PURPOSES OF SECTIONS 6 AND 7) HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE APPLE SOFTWARE, EITHER EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND/OR CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, OF SATISFACTORY QUALITY, OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, OF ACCURACY, OF QUIET ENJOYMENT, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS. APPLE DOES NOT WARRANT AGAINST INTERFERENCE WITH YOUR ENJOYMENT OF THE APPLE SOFTWARE, THAT THE FUNCTIONS CONTAINED IN THE APPLE SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS, THAT THE OPERATION OF THE APPLE SOFTWARE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE, OR THAT DEFECTS IN THE APPLE SOFTWARE WILL BE CORRECTED. NO ORAL OR WRITTEN INFORMATION OR ADVICE GIVEN BY APPLE OR AN APPLE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE SHALL CREATE A WARRANTY. SHOULD THE APPLE SOFTWARE PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE ENTIRE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR LIMITATIONS ON APPLICABLE STATUTORY RIGHTS OF A CONSUMER, SO THE ABOVE EXCLUSION AND LIMITATIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. QuickTime Player automatically produces search results that reference sites and information located worldwide throughout the Internet. Because Apple has no control over such sites and information, Apple makes no guarantees as to such sites and information, including: (i) the accuracy, currency, content, or quality of any such sites and information, or (ii) whether an Apple search completed through the QuickTime Player may locate unintended or objectionable content. Because some of the content on the Internet consists of material that is adult-oriented or otherwise objectionable to some people or viewers under the age of 18, the results of any search or entering of a particular URL using the QuickTime Player may automatically and unintentionally generate links or references to objectionable material. By using the QuickTime Player, you acknowledge that Apple makes no representations or warranties with regard to the appropriateness of the content viewed through the QuickTime Player, whether on a pre-installed channel button or as a result of your search. Apple does not guarantee the sequence, accuracy, completeness or timeliness of the content played through the QuickTime Player. Apple, its officers, affiliates and subsidiaries shall not, directly or indirectly, be liable, in any way, to you or any other person for the content you receive using the QuickTime Player or for any inaccuracies, errors in or omissions from the content. 7. Limitation of Liability. TO THE EXTENT NOT PROHIBITED BY LAW, IN NO EVENT SHALL APPLE BE LIABLE FOR PERSONAL INJURY, OR ANY INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WHATSOEVER, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, LOSS OF DATA, BUSINESS INTERRUPTION OR ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL DAMAGES OR LOSSES, ARISING OUT OF OR RELATED TO YOUR USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE APPLE SOFTWARE, HOWEVER CAUSED, REGARDLESS OF THE THEORY OF LIABILITY (CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE) AND EVEN IF APPLE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR PERSONAL INJURY, OR OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THIS LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. In no event shall Apple's total liability to you for all damages (other than as may be required by applicable law in cases involving personal injury) exceed the amount of fifty dollars ($50.00). The foregoing limitations will apply even if the above stated remedy fails of its essential purpose. 8. Export Law Assurances. You may not use or otherwise export or reexport the Apple Software except as authorized by United States law and the laws of the jurisdiction in which the Apple Software was obtained. In particular, but without limitation, the Apple Software may not be exported or re-exported (a) into (or to a national or resident of) any U.S. embargoed countries (currently Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria) or (b) to anyone on the U.S. Treasury Department's list of Specially Designated Nationals or the U.S. Department of Commerce Denied Person's List or Entity List. By using the Apple Software, you represent and warrant that you are not located in, under control of, or a national or resident of any such country or on any such list. 9. Government End Users. The Apple Software and related documentation are "Commercial Items", as that term is defined at 48 C.F.R. 2.101, consisting of "Commercial Computer Software" and "Commercial Computer Software Documentation", as such terms are used in 48 C.F.R. 12.212 or 48 C.F.R. 227.7202, as applicable. Consistent with 48 C.F.R. 12.212 or 48 C.F.R. 227.7202-1through 227.7202-4, as applicable, the Commercial Computer Software and Commercial Computer Software Documentation are being licensed to U.S. Government end users (a) only as Commercial Items and (b) with only those rights as are granted to all other end users pursuant to the terms and conditions herein. Unpublished-rights reserved under the copyright laws of the United States. 10. Controlling Law and Severability. This License will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of California, as applied to agreements entered into and to be performed entirely within California between California residents. This License shall not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods, the application of which is expressly excluded. If for any reason a court of competent jurisdiction finds any provision, or portion thereof, to be unenforceable, the remainder of this License shall continue in full force and effect. 11. Complete Agreement; Governing Language. This License constitutes the entire agreement between the parties with respect to the use of the Apple Software licensed hereunder and supersedes all prior or contemporaneous understandings regarding such subject matter. No amendment to or modification of this License will be binding unless in writing and signed by Apple. Any translation of this License is done for local requirements and in the event of a dispute between the English and any non-English versions, the English version of this License shall govern. 12. MPEG-2 Notice. To the extent that the Apple Software contains MPEG-2 functionality, the following provision applies: ANY USE OF THIS PRODUCT OTHER THAN CONSUMER PERSONAL USE IN ANY MANNER THAT COMPLIES WITH THE MPEG-2 STANDARD FOR ENCODING VIDEO INFORMATION FOR PACKAGED MEDIA IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED WITHOUT A LICENSE UNDER APPLICABLE PATENTS IN THE MPEG-2 PATENT PORTFOLIO, WHICH LICENSE IS AVAILABLE FROM MPEG LA, L.L.C, 250 STEELE STREET, SUITE 300, DENVER, COLORADO 80206. EA0156
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    1. Re:here's the EULA by King+Babar · · Score: 2
      [snip]
      THE APPLE SOFTWARE IS NOT INTENDED FOR USE IN THE OPERATION OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES,

      Got that folks? If not, here's the clarification:

      You can never watch too much porn when you are operating a nuclear reactor.

      (God I miss the glory days of Saturday night live...)

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  64. MOD PARENT UP by Scrameustache · · Score: 2

    MOD THAT GUY UP:
    Informative, underrated.

    I was a bit annoyed by QT6 since it couldn't read my DivX files anymore, now it can.

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  65. Re:off topic by Maserati · · Score: 2
    Yup. Installed QT6 and fired it right up. Did not restart Win98SE, did not have to quit Mozilla. The installer left it's cache file on the desktop after downloading it. I cleaned it up, but it might have been handy for burning to a utility CD or distributing over the LAN. It also offered to let you edit your MIME settings, and then has a screen where you make your file associations - broken up into three sections: Windows, Macintosh and Internet file types for those who aren't sure what a .wmv file (Mac users, go figure) is. It also offers to warn you if anything changes them. Five stars for the installer.

    The trailer is basically just a flyby of the space station. Which looks cool. It's moody and atmospheric (or the lack thereof). The big deal is the three names shown. Cameron, Soderberg (drunk, fix later), Clooney. This should be well marketed, and has a chance of being good.

    The website is nothing. Just the trailer and a "register for updates" popup. I gave them my spamtrap address at yahoo.

    And we can't say this enough people, read Stanislaw Lem ! Anyone in a tech field will appreciate "The Cyberiad", and anyone reading at or above their grade level will appreciate anything he wrote.

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  66. Re:Key won't work by Sabalon · · Score: 2

    translation - we can get some extra dough from the qt5 users while some 12 year old spends an hour making a key generator.

  67. Re:Key won't work by MoneyT · · Score: 3

    Not that suprising, but I guess you haven't been to apple's web site recently.

    G4 tower 1,600

    iBook 1,200

    G4 iMac 1,400

    eMac 1,100

    And all of those computers are quite capable machines.

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  68. Where's Ogg? by Vegan+Pagan · · Score: 2

    For all the QT6 delays Apple caused by refusing to pay MPEG-4 license fees, you'd think they'd include open formats like Ogg Vorbis and VP3 as a bit of a retort. Why'd they exclude them?

  69. Re:They take and they dont give back by MoneyT · · Score: 2

    I'll bite becasue I'm bored and have nothing better to do.

    If we assume that computers have some berring on sexual prefference, and we assume from your above statement that

    mac=gay
    and
    windows=straight

    then we can also surmise that

    linux= bisexual prostitutes
    and
    solaris= neutered

    Ironicaly, if we take the numbers, and assume that windows does indeed have 90% of the market share, then it is more likely than not that the majority of pedophiles as you described in your post are windows users. Sux to be a windows user.

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  70. Re:Still no mpeg-2?!! by MoneyT · · Score: 2

    I dunno if it came with QT or if it came from the Toast installer, but on my computer, I have the option of encoding video to the toast VCD format. And if you want to make VCDs, and have a buring program that supports the creation of VCDs, I would assume you have an ecoding codec somewhere, go look for it.

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  71. Re:Not what we need.. by MoneyT · · Score: 2

    Another argument against a completely open / free video codecs and QT. Somethings in life are best kept controled. Consider what would happen if all the people out there with a little bit of inkling towards coding started making their own variatees of codecs. You could have 30 versions of the next MPEG codec, each just a little different, and each incompatible with the rest of em. Somethings are best left standardized, video codecs are one of them.

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  72. Re:Key won't work by Sir+Joltalot · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm just sort of curious why we get a picture of an iPod for a QT announcement.. I mean you'd think an Apple logo or a QT logo would make more sense. Hoh well...

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  73. where to download older versions by e40 · · Score: 2

    here. My windows 2k needed to be reinstalled, and it wasn't easy finding the download, so I thought I'd post it.

  74. Re:Key won't work by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 2

    Quicktime's upgrade policy sucks.

    I was mug enough to fork out $ for version 4 and then, shortly afterwards, they bought out version 5 and wanted more $

    What's more, the lame "Check for Quicktime Updates" function never ever worked from behind my firewall.

    I'll stick with DivX thanks.

  75. Re:Not what we need.. by Ogerman · · Score: 2

    Somethings are best left standardized, video codecs are one of them.
    Yeah, that's what standards bodies are for. Doesn't mean the standard has to be proprietary (Sorensen).

  76. Re:Not what we need.. by Ogerman · · Score: 2

    Quite simply, Apple, *can't* base QT entirely on "open standards" simply because it's a container format, the codecs are what matter. Since Apple doesn't own all the codecs, they can't make that happen.


    That wasn't a troll; it was poorly worded, perhaps. I'm quite aware that QT is a container format just like AVI and that the specs are open. On the other hand, it has been Apple's choice whether or not to include totally proprietary codecs (like Sorensens') as part of their proprietary QT implementation / distribution. In this sense, they are forcing Sorensen down people's throats by first including it by default and then marketing it by making deals such that new movie trailers, streamed content, etc. are ONLY released with this encoding--and only playable with the latest official Quicktime release. Apple, Real, and M$ are all trying to become the big "gateway" to online media by forcing their own proprietary standards in one way or another. Either way, this is not good.
  77. How To Crash QT6... by dew · · Score: 2

    Set your current year to 2099. Run QuickTime. Watch the uncaught Integer Overflow exception!

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  78. Re:Key won't work by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

    So yeah, I was shy $100 for the powermac.

  79. Re:Still no mpeg-2?!! by MoneyT · · Score: 2

    I'd look into iMovie. I can't imagine they made that without a VCD codec

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  80. Re:does anyone actually use Windows Me? by pi+radians · · Score: 2

    Well, if I were you I'd run out and by a lottery ticket.

    ME crashes all the time on my buddies computer, you could get it to do it on command. We finally upgraded it to XP and it doesn't crash.... as often (now and then it likes to just stop responding, and it seems to delete a couple DLLs every little while).

    But like my dad always says, if your machine isn't crashing, you're not working hard enough.

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  81. Re:WinME by Lxy · · Score: 2

    Windows 95OSR2 will run USB if you apply the USB supplement.

    USB support in 95C is shoddy at best. Yes, it has the USB supplement, and SOMETIMES it works. In my case, it doesn't.

    As for Windows 98, if you are not using 98SE I would seriously try that

    Most people don't acknowledge a version of 98 prior to SE. I sure don't.

    2K and XP will also run on lower end CPUs (166Mhz and higher I think)

    Unless you want to *DO* something, yes.

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  82. Re:Why is QuickTime still around? by dbrutus · · Score: 2

    The quicktime architecture was taken as a basis for the MPEG-4 standard so any MP4 players that are out there are, in a sense, quicktime players under a different name. As voracious users of wannabe imitation software linux users should be used to that.

  83. Re:Prepare for many bad downloads by PythonOrRuby · · Score: 2

    It's also a nice change from the "here, download this 500K program that then connects to an Apple server and downloads the other 20MB at the slowest speed possible" approach to distributing Quicktime.

    Disk images are definitely the way to go.

  84. Re:Apple is strange... by PythonOrRuby · · Score: 2

    As for online retailers, like Mamall, or Smalldog. Also check out http://www.lowendmac.com.

  85. Re:Prepare for many bad downloads by PythonOrRuby · · Score: 2

    The other plus is that I have my downloads go to a folder in my home directory, rather than the Desktop to keep things clean, but then I can mount the disk image and it's easily accessible on the Desktop, without having to open a Finder window to get at it.

  86. Re:Key won't work by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

    It was an opened box and is now 2 years old.

  87. MPEG-2 Available by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 2


    MPEG-2 available here as a separate install and charge. Why it's extra I dunno, but it is in fact available.

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  88. Re:Still no mpeg-2?!! by damiam · · Score: 2

    But, of course, DVD Studio Pro gives you so much more than an MPEG encoder.

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