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Moxi Functions In Charter Set-top Box Next Year

An anonymous reader writes: "Charter Communications will offer a Moxi-like cable tv set top box with DVR / MP3 capabilities next year. Here it is. I like the idea of merging the set-top box with a DVR using normal cable tv or satellite. A good combination."

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  1. Whats funny by papasui · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is that all these companies are owned by Paul Allen and the article states that the main competitor will be Microsoft (which was co-founded by Allen).

    1. Re:Whats funny by frameshift · · Score: 3, Interesting

      paul allen also owns tech tv which promotes linux and one of the popular shows on tech tv is "the screen savers" with leo laport who does linux support on air. they also did a show on installing linux. i thought this would be kinda weird for a station that is owned by someone that holds a lot of stock in microsoft.

    2. Re:Whats funny by josh+crawley · · Score: 2

      He also is the president of ZDtv/TechTV. I really don't think he cares much about MS (well, not reglioulsy). Look at TechTV and how they _ACKNOLOGE_ linux. If he was a MS drone, that linux section would be canned.

    3. Re:Whats funny by detritus. · · Score: 2

      Even more ironic, under the "General Subscriber Responsibilities" of Charter Pipeline's Customer Agreement, they require you to adhere to MSN email's TOS. That's being quite selective considering there's so many free e-mail sites out there. One has to wonder what (if any) TOS/Privacy agreements that will accompany this set-top box.

    4. Re:Whats funny by Mashby · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is, of course, only applicable if you use MSN email or Hotmail. I'm a Charter Pipeline subscriber, and I noticed that they recently changed their default startpage to a cobranded MSN/Charter Pipeline portal, which I'm sure is why they mention it in the TOS.

  2. Combinations. by saintlupus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I like the idea of merging the set-top box with a DVR using normal cable tv or satellite. A good combination.

    The trade-off, of course, is that they _both_ have to be upgraded if you want something better. The whole unit would have to be replaced, in this case.

    See how much people on here bitch about the iMac if you don't think this would be a problem.

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    1. Re:Combinations. by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      and you know what... this is a good thing! you pay $5.00 a month for yout set top box, so you get a new PVR every time you break yours now. Granted there will be a larger number of whiners because they will now actually get arrested and fined for hacking the cable companies equipment.

      Secondly... this has been around for over a year now. the MAIN use for these boxes is to do targetted advertising... you see an ad that your neighbor doesn't see as it was targetted to you based on your profile, demographics, and all the data the boxes collect on you (*and already do! the DCT3000 on up log and report everything you do... weither or not the cable company collects and uses that data is another story...)

      So having the whole unit replaced for free at my cable office because it broke is awesome to me... as is them asking that I bring it in for a newer one as it doesn't have the features they need me to have...

      Dont think for one minute that they are giving you anything... it's for streaming targetted ad's... you get the side benifit of having a PVR.

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  3. Re:Yea, great combo.... by coolgeek · · Score: 2

    I like the idea of merging the set-top box with a DVR using normal cable tv or satellite. A good combination.

    Perhaps to thwart TV "thieves" like myself. I'd say the odds against this device having a commercial skip button or even a fast-forward are pretty high.

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  4. What if these break? by taloobie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe someone has come up with this thought before...

    With all these convergence boxes/devices has anyone put in any thought about what happens when one breaks? I mean, if I invest in one device for everything and it breaks/hangs/crashes I'm SOL for everything I use the box for. I'd hate to lose TV, music, DVDs, gaming and web all at once...

    I tend to like many devices with specific purposes. That also seems to keep the stability up reasonably well.

    Does anyone else agree?

    1. Re:What if these break? by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      The bad thing about multiple devices is the cost and efficiency factor. You need basically the same electronic parts in your cable box as your MP3 player and Tivo anyway, why not build the functionality in at a tiny incremental cost rather than building a whole separate redundant device?

      Redundancy makes sense if you really need high availability, but entertainment isn't that important. On the other hand, I have three cable boxes, a cable modem, and a half-dozen computers around the house, so what do I know? ;)

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  5. And the Remote? by phraktyl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why, the Moxi Pad of course!

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    1. Re:And the Remote? by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2

      GAH, you just gave me a mental picture of something I'd rather not imagine. When I first read it, I thought you said Maxi-pad. thanks a ton.

      YECK.

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  6. Re:Yea, great combo.... by gerardrj · · Score: 2

    The benefit is that as the signal comes off the satellite it can be written directly to disk. The encoder/decoder is not required, and hence you get better video quality.

    The reason I've not purchased a Tivo (other than the need for the stupid on-going service) is that I don't want to do MPEG->Analog->MPEG->Disk->Analog to watch my satelite feed. MPEG->Disk->Analog is a much shorter path with only a single decode involved.

    This is the reason I'll be getting the DVR from DishTv. The new dual tuner model is pretty sweet.

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  7. What I don't like.... by MortisUmbra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is that the cable company would controll it. Take the ReplayTV fiasco for instance. They fought back because they don't get any perks from the industry, however cable companies, that is their bread and butter. And being a cable company, God only knows what features they can/will/could put in it, or disable (like 30 second skip to bypass commercials). I don't trust the same people who provide my content to be the ones who allow me to manipulate it at whim. Then again todays climate could just have me uoverly paranoid :)

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    1. Re:What I don't like.... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      30 second skip is never going to be in there... so you cant lose something that was never there...

      "Hey, this doesn't make toast! you bastards! I want my money back!"

      If you want to complain, great... complain about something real.. DON'T complain about something you never had.

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  8. All-in-one systems by Andy+Smith · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I like the idea of merging the set-top box with a DVR using normal cable tv or satellite. A good combination.
    Here in the UK the main satellite provider, Sky, has a normal digibox but also an enhanced system called Sky Plus that is a combo digibox and PVR. There's no MP3 or DVD support but it does allow you to record one satellite channel while watching another. It's been around since last September. I've had one for most of this year and it's an awesome piece of kit, despite a few technical problems along the way. The box itself costs £300 and there's a £10 monthly subscription.
  9. Re:Toilet/sink by Kredal · · Score: 2

    No, they have them in Europe... called a Bidet or something like that.

    (:

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  10. Re:Yea, great combo.... by malice95 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reason I've not purchased a Tivo (other than the need for the stupid on-going service) is that I don't want to do MPEG->Analog->MPEG->Disk->Analog to watch my satelite feed. MPEG->Disk->Analog is a much shorter path with only a single decode involved.

    Um.. the direct tivo unit records directly from the stream. There is no analog conversion involved until you watch it. Its mpeg stream to disk direct. Its also dual tuner and avaliable now.

  11. There will probably be a catch by Influxx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This sounds like a great idea but i'm sure there will be some type of encoding that won't allow you to record premium channels or skip commercials. This is just some kind of ploy to trick the consumer into self-limiting what they can record and view.

  12. No mention of auxilliary receivers by uradu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If I remember correctly, the original Moxi system had optional set-top boxes that you could string via Ethernet throughout the house to watch content off the main box on other TVs. That's what I found the most appealing about the Moxi. The rest is hardly an improvement over the current TiVo devices.

    1. Re:No mention of auxilliary receivers by Christopher+Bibbs · · Score: 2

      If you check out the Moxi product page you'll that feature is still listed. I'm sure the journalist/press release writer just didn't feel that was one of the "cooler" features.

  13. Cox, too by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2

    I was very pleased to see on the Cox web site that they are working on integrating a PVR into the cable box as well. Woo hoo!

    Cox also rocks in that they are going to supply HDTV signals. Double woo hoo! Maybe it'll actually be worth buying an HDTV unit someday.

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    1. Re:Cox, too by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

      Charter already has HDTV available in my area. Despite having an HDTV-ready set, I haven't signed up yet. They want $89 for installation, which means that a guy with pants that don't fit is going to crawl around in my home theater set-up, screw it all up, and them I'm still going to have to spend an hour fixing it after he leaves. I'd rather be able to install it myself (ooh, the difficulty - plug the coax into the box, run component video and digital audio cables into my receiver - I hope I can handle it). I don't mind if they want to send an installer, but I don't want to pay that much money for a service I don't need.

      They also want $11/month extra for the HD service, on top of my already near-$100 bill (including internet and all the movie channels) and the only channels in HD are HBO and Showtime. When there are a few more channels on I might get it. It's not worth the hassle now.

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  14. Re:Yea, great combo.... by gerardrj · · Score: 2

    I don't have Direct TV, so that doesn't help me.

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  15. Re:Yea, great combo.... by The+Mayor · · Score: 2

    Uh, the DirecTivo is a DirectTV decoder. And it's a dual-tuner Tivo. Pretty sweet, actually.

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  16. Benefits and drawbacks by jtl · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are some definite benefits to a combined system: digital channels can be recorded without being re-compressed, increasing quality; it's easier & more likely to be able to record more than one show at a time; it should cost less than two separate units duplicating functionality; the combined UI could be simpler to use.

    There are some pretty significant drawbacks, though. As others have pointed out, these units are unlikely to have features content providers dislike -- they certainly won't have automatic commercial skipping, and may not have 30-second skip; they're not likely to have internet video sharing; they may have restrictions on how long shows can be kept, how many times they can be played, and whatkinds of shows can be recorded. The biggest problem, though, is that the end user won't own the unit -- it'll be rented from the cable company. Thus, no modifications. No HD upgrades, no tivo web, no shell hacking, nada.

  17. Re:100:1 against by seanadams.com · · Score: 2

    All the cool MP3 related devices (eg Voyetra's AudioTron, the SliMP3, etc) are unavailable here for various reasons...

    The SliMP3 is available in Australia, you just have to order it from us directly. Why? Because network MP3 players are not a mainstream product (in Australia or the USA for that matter) so it's hard to get them onto the shelves in retail outlets. Also we're a small company with "slim" margins, so we need to sell direct.

    We have found some reatilers in Europe who now carry our product, but as yet we do not have an Australian reseller yet.

    Just get together with a few of your friends to save on the shipping costs. We've sold a lot of players in Australia, you just have to import it yourself. It's actually cheaper than it would be to pick it up from a local store (by the time the reseller pays import tax and adds their markup).

    Feel free to contact me if you have any questions about bringing the product in to Australia. Also, if you know anyone who might be interested in promoting the SliMP3 in Australia, please let me know!

  18. Straight from the horses mouth by Christopher+Bibbs · · Score: 2

    Right on the Moxi product page: "Conditional Access Decryption". Well of course they're going to put in restrictions on how and when you view things. This is a product for the cable industry to help them make more money. If it was intended to make TV better for the consumer, you'd see them on sale at Circuit City and Best Buy.

  19. What, Charter might have a clue these days? by mbourgon · · Score: 2

    This is more a slam on Charter than anything else. I'm amazed they managed to figure out the whole PVR thing, considering that you either need two remotes to record something, or a cable mouse on your VCR. On the plus side, it is kinda an improvement, since their current "digital cable" box has numerous bugs and I can make it crash once a day, doing nothing too involved. Laaaaaaaaaaaaa......

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  20. Re:My reply to the original submission by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

    Well, I've never seen a PC tuner card that will receive digital cable channels, so you can't really build a homemade version of a digital cable box. If you know of one, please tell me!

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  21. Re:My reply to the original submission by ShavenYak · · Score: 2

    Please note that digital cable is not the same as DTV. It's NTSC video, digitized and compressed with MPEG of some form, and delivered over cable by QAM or something similar. Those Hauppage DTV cards do ATSC, which is the broadcast format for DTV. So, no dice.

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  22. Re:Yea, great combo.... by coolgeek · · Score: 2

    I highly doubt a cable company is going to push a device that enables their customers to circumvent commercials. It is not in their interests.

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