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OpenGL Coming to your Cellphone

Little Hamster writes "SGI and Nokia have signed an agreement to co-operate on the development of a 3D standard suitable for all embedded mobile terminals, based on OpenGL. This could be used for bringing real 3D Games to mobile devices, 3D global positioning systems, 3D representations of buildings or even creating entire interfaces in 3D. You can also find the press release press release here."

107 comments

  1. Fuck the 2-post-only rule! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    That is all I have to say. Thanks.

    - Fucky

    1. Re:Fuck the 2-post-only rule! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      What 2-post-only rule? Is that a strange euphemism for not getting laid?

  2. newsflash by on+by · · Score: -1, Troll
    It is official; Slashdot confirms: Anonymous posting is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Anonymous posting community when IDC confirmed that on-topic Anonymous posting has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all comments. Coming on the heels of a recent Slashcode change which plainly forces Trolls To post Anonymously at 0 rather than at -1, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Anonymous posting is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Monotony Report comprehensive Karma Whoring test.

    You don't need to be a Karma Whore to predict Anonymous posting's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Anonymous posting faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Anonymous posting because Anonymous posting is dying. Things are looking very bad for Anonymous posting. As many of us are already aware, Anonymous posting Trolls continue to waste time. Mod points flow like a river of blood.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    Troll leader Jamie McCarthy states that there are 7000 Trolls. How many on-topic AC's are there? Let's see. The number of Troll posts versus on-topic comments posted at 0 is roughly in ratio of 50 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/50 = 140 on-topic AC's. AC's that get modded over +2 are about half of the volume of on-topic posts. Therefore there are about 70 slashbot AC's. A recent article put Crapflooders at about 80 percent of the Anonymous posting volume. Therefore there are (7000+140+70)*4 = 28840 Crapflooders. This is consistent with the number of -1 posts.

    Due to the troubles of VA Software, abysmal sales and so on, OSDN went out of business and was taken over by AOL who run other troubled websites. Now AOL is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that Anonymous posting has steadily declined in signal to noise ratio. Anonymous posting is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Anonymous posting is to survive at all it will be among the slashdot janitors. Anonymous posting continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Anonymous posting is dead.

    Fact: Anonymous posting is dying

  3. the screensize by mystran · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Some solution to screensize problem with PDA's would be nice.. 3d graphics look boring on that size of screen no matter OpenGL or no..

    This is not to say that I didn't enjoy playing Doom on a Nokia 9210 .. though the arrow pad is worst I've seen :)

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    Software should be free as in speech, but if we also get some free beer, all the better.
    1. Re:the screensize by yatest5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Some solution to screensize problem

      Solution calculated - Add bigger screen.

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      • Mod parent up! [a] by Anonymous Coward (Score:5) Thurs, June 31, @13:37
    2. Re:the screensize by umm+qasr · · Score: 1
      The current problem will mobile phones/PDA's is the screensize--Even if they converge (someday) with a PDA, even 320x320 is still too small.

      Even wearables are struggling to get 640x480, which is the smallest screen I would use for anything 3D.

      On the upside, Nokia has a very good history of being innovative in the mobile market, more power to them. If they can get a usuable 3D device to market, I'd buy it.

      This is not to say that I didn't enjoy playing Doom on a Nokia 9210

      I enjoyed Quake on my iPaq too =)

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    4. Re:the screensize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, add a screen that's near enough the same size, but higher resolution - i.e. is 1200x1600 in the space a 240x320 PDA screen currently is - a 240x320 screen is presently about A6 sized. a 1200x1600 screen that size would allow the same amount of (legible) small print text as now fits on a printed page the same size, or decent gaming, etc...

    5. Re:the screensize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try looking at Nokia 3410 (http://www.nokia.com/phones/3410/index.html) ... 3D screensaver and 3D Puzzle game Munkiki (written in Java?)... Looks like Nokia all ready have implemented this 3D engine!

  4. I still can't by Morgahastu · · Score: 0, Redundant

    find decent 3d interfaces on my 1.5ghz machine with a cutting edge video card. I wouldn't expect it from a portable device!

    Although this could be used well for GPS systems (as mentioned in the post) to display maps with altitudes.

    Imagine how great it would be to have a FPS type of map of where you were? All you have to do is look down into your PDA and move arround the map to find out where you want to go. Oh well a man can dream.

    1. Re:I still can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Alternatively, you could stop being a lazy fucker and actually walk around until you find where you want to go.

      - Fucky the Troll

    2. Re:I still can't by yatest5 · · Score: 2

      Imagine how great it would be to have a FPS type of map of where you were? All you have to do is look down into your PDA and move arround the map to find out where you want to go.

      I actually think a top-down map is much better, so you can see some distance around you - you kinda already have the first-person view covered. But, horses for courses, if that's what you want....

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      • Mod parent up! [a] by Anonymous Coward (Score:5) Thurs, June 31, @13:37
    3. Re:I still can't by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

      A FPS map of where you are. ehm, aren't those called you're eyes? perhaps you mean an overhead or 3rd persons perspective view. Reminds me a bit of tying a camera to a radio controlled car to get a photo realistic driving game :P

      --

      MMO Quests are like orgasms:

      You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

  5. Come sail your ships around me... by on+by · · Score: -1, Troll

    and burn your bridges down...

    oops! think i just did that with this post - oh well!

    props to Nick Cave!

    see ya in 24hrs!

  6. Linux Conspiracy by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

    What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:
    • Linus Torvalds is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
    • Richard M. Stallman, spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
    • Alan Cox is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.


    I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

    Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

    As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

    And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut!

    Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:

    'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

    Is this why you were touching your penis in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

    We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

    Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

    In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

    Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis, glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

    And Red Hat is secret homo slang for the tip of a penis that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

    The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other automatically.

    The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously /anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no /opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

    More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

    Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

    Even the title 'Slashdot' originally referred to a homosexual practice. Slashdot of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/.

    The editors of Slashdot also have homosexual names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot runs on Apache!

    The Apache server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

    And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

    To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

    FEEDBACK
    What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.
    You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!
    you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus, Slashdot


    Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator.
    ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism.
    Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h, Slashdot


    Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!
    dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

    Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.
    And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee, Slashdot


    Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

    One scary thing about Perl is that it contains hidden homosexual messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

    And PHP stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?
    Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase, Slashdot


    Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.
    That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    *sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

    However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

    In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.
    Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

    If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!
    It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.
    As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.
    I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman.
    Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    What the fuck?
    I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Well bugger me!
    ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


    Fuck right off!

    IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD, which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat, but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

    Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

    Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

    Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

    Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

    - posted by poopbot: because even your grandmother can use lunix

    Sy1I51G50k
  7. Shouldn't this be .. by JPriest · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    .. under the Microsoft topic as well? "All your cell phone are belong to us" - MSFT

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    Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
    1. Re:Shouldn't this be .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... under the Moron topic as well? "All you base are belong to us" -jokes haven't been funny in well over a year. Welcome to the year 2002.

  8. Sounds interesting.... by Scrab · · Score: 1

    But for me the main problem with this is that no-one has yet mention how MUCh it's going to cost me to a)get it, upgrade my phone, etc and b)How much it's going to to cost to use it. Cos I can't see systems like GPS, interfaces(on other phones/pdas?) being given away. If the cost issue can be sorted, even if all we get is a basic ballpark figure, then I may grow to be very interested in this indeed....

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    1. Re:Sounds interesting.... by umm+qasr · · Score: 1
      no-one has yet mention how MUCh it's going to cost me

      Of course not. Nokia hasn't even implemented OpenGL/GPS/etc. yet, as far as we know. How can they give us a cost, if the product hasn't even been designed, never lone actually been produced yet.

      To answer your question however, it will be quite expensive. Just like any new technology, until economies of scale have been achieved, and the early adopters have paid a premium, it will most likely be out of financial reach for the masses.

      If the cost issue can be sorted, even if all we get is a basic ballpark figure, then I may grow to be very interested in this indeed

      It seems you are interested already, you will have to wait for it to become affordable though. =)

    2. Re:Sounds interesting.... by liloldme · · Score: 1
      It will cost less than 1000,-

      There you go.

  9. I won't be happy.. by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 0

    ..until i can play QuakeForge on my cell :)

    1. Re:I won't be happy.. by rosbif · · Score: 1

      Get a life ( or should that be get Alife...)

  10. Can't wait for it by palad1 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Wow, now I'll be able to show off my m4d r4iling sk1llz to all these newBz in the subway on my 4'' phone.

    1. Re:Can't wait for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Access to software on newer mobile phones will be controlled by secure hardware and certificates. No bots, sorry.

  11. First we need colour screens... by ngtni · · Score: 2, Informative

    Presumably this technology won't be available for at least a few years, considering that Nokia have not yet launched their full-colour mobiles.

    The Nokia 7650 was scheduled for UK release in May but it's been put back to August.

    1. Re:First we need colour screens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Presumably this technology won't be available for at least a few years, considering that Nokia have not yet launched their full- colour mobiles.

      Except the 9210 has been out for over a year and the 9210i has been out for a few months now.

      I currently have converted verisions of ParkWars and Troops loaded onto my 9210 and the movie player does quite a good job with it.

      I think that the technology may be more advanced than you think.

    2. Re:First we need colour screens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well here in Finland the 7650 has been in the stores few weeks now, but I think that's not a suprise given the origin of the company.

    3. Re:First we need colour screens... by jsse · · Score: 2

      The Nokia 7650 [nokia.com] was scheduled for UK release in May but it's been put back to August.

      I wonder why should they postpone the schedule. They are actively promoting it here in Hong Kong(free trial, booths on street, etc.), and in other countries along asia pacific rim, too.

    4. Re:First we need colour screens... by Torulf · · Score: 1

      The Nokia 7650 [nokia.com] was scheduled for UK release in May but it's been put back to August.

      No, it has not been put back to August. You can buy them right now, at least they are available in stores here in Finland.

    5. Re:First we need colour screens... by ngtni · · Score: 1

      I think it could just be supply problems, it hasn't officially been put back to August; but if you go into any Carphone Warehouse store, they will tell you that the 7650 won't be available til August.

      As for the 9210, yes you're right, it does have a colour screen, I was just being stupid and forgot about it. :) What I really meant to say was that 7650 is the first "everyday" phone from Nokia with a colour screen.

    6. Re:First we need colour screens... by liloldme · · Score: 1

      I don't know about UK, but they sure as hell are selling models with color screens here in Finland.

    7. Re:First we need colour screens... by synapz · · Score: 1

      They are available in the UK, although numbers are limited. I have one in front of me right now, purchased by mail order in the UK.

      -Sy/\/apZ-

  12. OpenGL? lets make a usefull cell phone first. by Saahbs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is absolutely no need for anything 3D on cell phones. What I would like to see, and so far I haven't seen in Europe, is a cell phone featuring:
    - full calendar with appointments, alarms, repeats and no-ringing "timespans".
    - nice T9 SMS entry like Sagems (as opposed to "menu bloated" alternate word lookups in Nokia's T9 implementation)
    - FM _and_ AM radio tuner
    - MP3/OggVorbis playback capability with CF storage
    - 300hour standby
    - flip-out microphone so people can hear what I'm saying
    - amber backlight instead of white/green/blue
    - notepad/voicerecord/simple_finance app
    - GPRS, HSCSD, Bluetooth

    If I could find a set that had ALL of the above I could replace my walkman, mp3 player and a pocket calendar. Unfortunately I have not seen one cell phone that has all of the above. Anybody has seen such a beast in a standard cell-phone form factor?

    OpenGL? Sure, 3d menus, crappy 3d games in 160x160, will wonders never cease... arghh

    1. Re:OpenGL? lets make a usefull cell phone first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Must be the mod's special days of the month...

    2. Re:OpenGL? lets make a usefull cell phone first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      OpenGL? Sure, 3d menus, crappy 3d games in 160x160, will wonders never cease... arghh

      I agree. I hardly ever use any OpenGL applications on my Linux machines, why should I do on my mobile phones.

    3. Re:OpenGL? lets make a usefull cell phone first. by liloldme · · Score: 1
      hmm you do realize that announcement like this means it will take at least a couple of years before anything actually gets to the market?

      If they thought the way you do there would never be anything new in the cell phones. Just an endless rehash of the same old features.

    4. Re:OpenGL? lets make a usefull cell phone first. by lmfr · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm quite happy with my Siemens S35. Callendar w/ appointments, alarms, etc.; nice T9 even in Portuguese; good standby, but I don't use it much so I can't say wether it's good or not; amber backlight; notepad; voicerecording; 348 Kb for data, sms, numbers, voice, images, animations, ring tones, and you can put there any type of file; GPRS and HSCSD (not sure about HSCDS).

      No Bluetooth, flip-out microphone, radio, mp3/ogg player, though... But check a new model (S45i) that must have arried or will soon.

    5. Re:OpenGL? lets make a usefull cell phone first. by nvrrobx · · Score: 1

      A lot of the issues you've talked about are already taken care of.. (Mind you, I'm in the US)

      * Calendar: if it's that annoying to you, use a WAP based one. Maybe I'm biased since I write them for a living, but you can get your alerts, appointments, etc etc that way, and you can access them from your normal HTML browser too.

      * Nice T9.. The T9 on my Nokia 3360 works quite well.

      * Amber backlight. Check out the Siemens S46. Amber backlight, WAP browser, GSM 900/1900 and TDMA 800/1900. Also has an MP3 player accessory.

      As for the rest, damn, I wish I could get a phone like that too.

      The closest thing I can think of to what you require would be a Nokia 9200 Communicator...

      OpenGL is cool on phones, but I have to agree that it won't be that useful. Eventually I'd like to think it will be.

  13. M$ by molrak · · Score: -1, Troll

    How soon until Microsoft convinces their cellular 'interests' to support a forthcoming scaled-down/scalable version of Direct3D for embedded and mobile devices? What would be even better? How about a 3D version of .NET! I can see the headlines now, "Now you can use your 'MS Office 3D.NET.11 for Workgroups' applications on your cell phone while you're driving down the highway in your SUV!"

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    1. Re:M$ by yatest5 · · Score: 1

      Yay, first irrelevant anti-MS post award!

      Jesus man, hows about you stop thinking about Microsoft for ONE SECOND - this has NOTHING TO DO with this story.

      And don't write M$, it marks you out as a complete ballbag, and I'm quite happy to lose 2 karma to tell you. Not 3 tho' ;-).

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    2. Re:M$ by Turbyne · · Score: 1
      while you're driving down the highway in your SUV!
      With Microsoft software running on your truck's ECU (engine control unit), ABS, Stability control, etc..

      Cue dramatic music.. flash blue screen of death..
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    3. Re:M$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would just like to say this.

  14. Two words by VirexEye · · Score: 2, Funny

    3D Snake!

    1. Re:Two words by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1

      That's three words actually :)

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    2. Re:Two words by liloldme · · Score: 1

      mmmm... 3D Pacman... should be that hard to write with J2ME

    3. Re:Two words by SynKKnyS · · Score: 1

      3D Snake... they would have to rename it to Nokia Tron. =)

  15. Imagine the applications by manseman · · Score: 1

    GPS and 3D-models of building sound great but somehow I believe that we'll only get yet another excuse to pay a months wage for a thing we can play games on.

  16. hrmmph. by Em+Emalb · · Score: 1, Troll

    First of, call me troll if you want. I don't care.

    Cell phones are for talking, at most instant messaging. If I want to play games on a portable, I'd do it with a GBA or something. It's novel, yes, and cool technology. But why would you want to try and play a REAL game on it? I just don't see the interest.

    Sorry for the contrary opinion. If you disagree, tell me why.

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    1. Re:hrmmph. by yatest5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry for the contrary opinion. If you disagree, tell me why.

      I don't disagree, but I don't see the point of you posting this opinion. Someone posts this on every mobile phone story there is. If you don't WANT this, don't BUY it - easy huh?

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    2. Re:hrmmph. by larien · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Counterpoint: you almost always have your mobile with you. Now, say you're stuck in a bus queue, or actually on the bus and want to kill some time. Damn, your GBA is at home, but with modern phones, you can pull it out of your pocket (NO! I meant the phone!) and start playing (yes, I really, really meant the phone!).

      While it might not be as good at games as a GBA or similar, in many cases it's "good enough". I remember playing games for hours on a Spectrum which had much less power than one of these!

    3. Re:hrmmph. by liloldme · · Score: 1

      How do you know it will used solely to build games?

    4. Re:hrmmph. by pmz · · Score: 2

      ...you can pull it out of your pocket (NO! I meant the phone!) and start playing (yes, I really, really meant the phone!).


      If the musical ringers aren't already the worst thing invented, imagine five people on the bus playing games with the volume all the way up. And yes, I guarantee that there will be people on the bus who don't give a damn about your right to peace and quiet.

      I'm almost positive that there will be, one day, a public place where so many random bastardized classical music ringers will be going off every two seconds that someone in the crowd will snap and do natural selection a favor.

    5. Re:hrmmph. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can tell you it's increasingly hard to buy a phone *without* all the extra's and games. I too just want to be able to call and be called with a *phone*, and I don't care that this issue gets addressed each time someone mentions a mobile phone-- it should. Whenever I see a teen showing off his latest Nokia I wonder where the world is going.

  17. I just want a phone. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A phone with decent sound quality, a sliding 7110-style front, a good radio section (because I'm often in poor signal areas) and a big battery so I'm not constantly charging it.
    I don't want games, I don't want mp3s, calendars, appointment reminders or anything like that. Just a phone.
    I don't mind if the improved RF stage and bigger battery makes it a bit big. I don't want a phone the size of a domino. I'm quite big and heavy myself, and can easily carry a bigger phone. Just so long as it means the buttons and screen are a bit bigger, because it's a hassle to use a mobile when it's cold and you're wearing gloves.

    It's the same with laptops - I want a new, modern laptop, but about the same size as my old 8086 Toshiba. Why? Because it runs for about 2 days on a fully charged battery, and has a proper clicky keyboard. The layout is a bit smaller, in the way that laptop keyboards are, but the keys have a lot of travel, like a normal desktop keyboard. It's so much more comfortable to type on.

    1. Re:I just want a phone. by Jorrit · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Just like to comment on your sig: 'Reply, don't moderate. I have enough of karma' (or something like that). Keep in mind that moderating is NOT only for gaining karma. In fact gaining karma is only a side-effect. The real reason to moderate is so that people get to notice your message. If people would only reply to you you would stick at 1 (or 2 if you have a bonus) and your message wouldn't be noticed.

      So please people. Use the moderation system when appropriate even when people say not to do it :-)

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    2. Re:I just want a phone. by liloldme · · Score: 1
      So go to a fucking store and buy one. It shoulnd't be that hard to do. They're fucking full of phones. Every size and color. What the hell are you whining about?

      I do want my phones small and light. I love the reminders (cause I forget shit), calendars, and the possibilities to play with J2ME, and bluetooth.

    3. Re:I just want a phone. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      What I meant was, I have sufficiently high karma that modding me either way won't affect it very much. Not that I'm bothered anyway. I think I'll change the sig.

    4. Re:I just want a phone. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      Because you can't get phones like that. They tend to be getting smaller and fiddlier, with tiny batteries that only last a few hours, and crap radio sections that only get a signal in areas with very dense coverage.

    5. Re:I just want a phone. by liloldme · · Score: 1
      ahh bullshit... I just bought a new phone a week ago, it's got a battery that lasts much longer even if its smaller and much lighter than what the old one had. It operates on three different bandwidths rather than two what the old one did. You're just whining for no good reason.

      Smaller phones aren't the only models available. There are plenty of models made for specialized uses. But small and light ones sell the most on mass market.

      You can find a big bulky phone with long battery life if that is what you need. Stop your whining and go buy one.

    6. Re:I just want a phone. by AlgUSF · · Score: 1

      Smaller phones sell better. People want phones that they can put in their pocket, even shirt pocket. Most of the smaller phones use Lithium Ion batteries which last much longer than NiCd (that most bigger phones use). I have a Samsung N200, and love it. I can fit it in my pocket, and it has alarms, a calendar, calculator, phone book, etc. I only wish that they could put an MP3 player in there.

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    7. Re:I just want a phone. by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Obviously the poster wanted a larger phone with a nice radio section and Lithium Ion batteries. It may not fit in a shirt pocket, but those batteries should last for days (weeks?) with regular use and not have an interface so cramped that you need a toothpick to dial. I assume the original poster also has large fingers and finds most modern cellphones difficult to dial even without gloves on.

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    8. Re:I just want a phone. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      Got it in one. I don't want to have to keep charging it up - sometimes I'm away from anywhere I can plug in a charger all day for days on end. It's not that I want outdated bulky technology, I want the Li-ion batteries but *bigger*!

      Similarly, I'm not always in an area with a good signal (the Scottish Highlands are pretty patchy), so I'm quite prepared to carry the extra weight and size of a decent RF strip and antenna to get a better signal.

      My fingers aren't particularly large, but I still don't like fiddly, fragile buttons. Plus, if your hands are cold and your fingers are stiff, you can forget using phones like the Nokia 8210 and similar, because the scrolly button thing becomes difficult to use.

  18. OpenGL for Linux? by plaa · · Score: 2, Redundant

    About OpenGL
    ...
    OpenGL is available on all other major computer platforms, including IRIX®, SolarisTM , HP-UX, Compaq® Tru64® UNIX®, AIX®, BeOS, Windows NT®, Windows® 98 and Mac® OS.

    No Linux?

    AFAIK Mesa isn't officially an OpenGL implementation, because it hasn't been tested, but aren't there any implementations that have gone through the tests?

    Also missing from the list are the newer versions of Windows...

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    1. Re:OpenGL for Linux? by yatest5 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      OpenGL is available on all other major computer platforms, including IRIX®, SolarisTM , HP-UX, Compaq® Tru64® UNIX®, AIX®, BeOS, Windows NT®, Windows® 98 and Mac® OS.

      No Linux?


      Er, it said major computer platforms ;-).

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    2. Re:OpenGL for Linux? by lfourrier · · Score: 2

      OpenGL is available on all other major computer platforms, including IRIX®, SolarisTM , HP-UX, Compaq® Tru64® UNIX®, AIX®, BeOS, Windows NT®, Windows® 98 and Mac® OS

      So what?

    3. Re:OpenGL for Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, NVidia's OpenGl, the SGI reference implementation, and a few others, are official OpenGLs on linux - Mesa still doesn't pass all conformance tests (fairly esoteric ones, mind...), never mind that nobody is likely to pay to have it certified.

    4. Re:OpenGL for Linux? by dackroyd · · Score: 2


      I'd much rather that SGI and Nokia would get other companies involved (ie nVidia + Sun )to support bindings for OpenGL through Java, so that we can have a fully independent graphics platform, with all the fruitiness of Java and all the zing of OpenGL. (mmmnn, hardware accelerated 3d in a browser...)

      There are some open source projects (http://www.jausoft.com/gl4java/) that enable the use of OpenGL through Java, but it'd obviously be better if there was a major force to push for it to be a standard way of implementing graphics on all platforms that support Java + OpenGL _now_, rather than after they develop this new OpenGL ES.

      btw anyone know if/when OpenGL ES or OpenML is meant to be appearing ? The Khronos website doesn't mention any dates....

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  19. 3d animated logos by chefren · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most likely the real application will be service providers trying to rip off customers by offering expensive "animated 3d logos", made by summerworking students getting minimum salaries.

    1. Re:3d animated logos by enjo13 · · Score: 1

      Booh-fricking-hoo..

      If the summerworking students don't like their salaries.. don't work. Capatalism is fun like that.

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  20. But why? by gusnz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They won't stand a snowball's chance of running DOOM 3 at full res unless you want them to double as central heating. And OpenGL for a cellphone UI would be overkill, and hard to use -- remember how VRML was going to take over the web?

    But I can think of at least one valid use for this - streaming videoconferencing. Why stream 24fps video when you can run facial-recognition software, break a face up into polygons like a game model, and transmit the facial movements to be rendered on a screen. Lots of cellphones now come with cameras built in, so it wouldn't be that great a step up. Or perhaps if it was too cheesy for live conferencing you could have a face "read" text messages to you.

    Any more ideas, or is this just another flash in the pan?

    1. Re:But why? by wheany · · Score: 1

      ...because we all know facial recognition is very easy and very light process.

  21. Blast...feature creep stikes again! by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

    Did they say 'in all devices'? That's pretty crap.

    I can imagine some specialised people who might need this. So they can pay more for their mobile.
    I on the other hand don't want or need 3d on my phone (not even my PDA/phone hybrid). Let me rephrtase that. I wouldn't mind it, if it was free. But it's not. And I'm not prepared to pay for something I won't use.

    If they had differentiated the market, I wouldn't mind. That way, if ever the killer app for 3d on a small screen came up, I could get one. But in the mean time, when this comes out, I'll have to pay...

    Oh, I'm a near graduated mechanical engineer, so I can see people saying 'but wouldn't it be great, you could show parts on your screen!' or 'you could show them what it looks like in the machine shop!'. But it doesn't work that way. Most 3d stuff has to be shown either full screen (as in game graphics; you need to see it the way the player would, anything else distorts) or large, on paper, building plan like. The last thing you need is misconceptions because of a missed detail.
    Small 3d is very limited in use for most things except a small Quake game...and that's not as enjoyable as you'd think.

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    1. Re:Blast...feature creep stikes again! by James+Foster · · Score: 2

      It's an advancement of technology. When the 3D phones first come out, the 2D phones will still be available.
      And then, by the time only 3D phones are available, they will cost the same as the 2D ones used to.
      Asking for both types is like asking for a black and white TV nowdays, because you don't want the colour.
      It's just evolution of mobile devices... they will have 3D capability. If you don't want that, buy a phone now and don't upgrade it.

    2. Re:Blast...feature creep stikes again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if 3D on any and every screen possible is not inevitable. Imagine the year 2020, and we still don't have 3D on tiny screens. Why? Because some know-it-alls on Slashdot couldn't fathom a use for it. sheesh

    3. Re:Blast...feature creep stikes again! by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you're right, but...it's senseless! It's kind of like, no, it's exactly like, having a 3d card for the display of your VCR. Excess cost, zero functionality (or as near to zero as to make the point moot).

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    4. Re:Blast...feature creep stikes again! by liloldme · · Score: 1
      Who's forcing you to buy one?

      Stick with your old crappy phone if you're so inclined.

    5. Re:Blast...feature creep stikes again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!!

  22. 2nd Post, Asshole! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You CLiT'ers can't do anything right, can you!!!

  23. Wow! How many uses..... by alapalaya · · Score: -1, Troll

    This could be used for bringing real 3D Games to mobile devices, 3D global positioning systems, 3D representations of buildings...

    ...3D pr0n, 3D strip poker, 3D ecchi games.....
    :)
    Cheers


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  24. Yay for embedded GUIs by micahjd · · Score: 2
    Cool, now we can run PicoGUI on OpenGL on our cellphones... </shameless plug>

    Seriously though, how fast could this be? I know that there are some ARM processors with built in 3D acceleration.. maybe that's what it's targeting?

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  25. Reading the comments here... by halk · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Now it is confirmed: Slashdot is the world's leading ludditian web site.

  26. Battery Life? by bennygeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What will throwing this extra functionality in - I assume an extra gpu to do the math etc. - do to battery life which is already painfully low! How about someone coming up with a revolutionary new battery or power source instead of putting 3d on a tiny screen?!

    1. Re:Battery Life? by liloldme · · Score: 1

      yeah I'm sure companies like Nokia never spend a dime on trying to figure out how to make the battery last longer.

  27. I think I shall call you grumpy instead by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay I tell you why. I own a GBA. Recently I managed get a co-worker with a credit card to order me a backlight for it. With some skills I have not used in two decades(yes I am old) in managed to install the light and even to close it again. It works brilliantly. I now once again spend an awfull lot of time playing on it and might even buy some more games.

    So thumbs up for the GBA right? Wrong. You see I work for a company called O2 as the web-developer, the cause I am the only programmer for the moment, for their online presence for the dutch branch. Holland was the first country in wich the XDA, a PDA with pocketpc(I know I know) and GPRS, was available. Apart that it is MS and is a bit underpowered the thing has one major advantage over the GBA, QUAKE!!!!!!! Yes it is tiny, yes the controls suck, but it is QUAKE!!!!!!! I have played doom on the GBA, trust me the two don't compare.

    Since the XDA has gprs, and I presume that nokia will also, it has internet. Multiplay anyone? Fragging people why waiting for the plane could make waiting really fun. Only slight problem is that the processor is designed for boring old office type apps and so lacks the oomph needed to play later 3D games. With this move perhaps they will add a simple 3D accelerator as well

    Try not to see this new devices as phones with gadgets but as mobile pc with a modem attached and if you only want a phone that can do voice. ehm what is stopping you? Just keep you're old one youre provider will love you since they will really get back the subsidie they made on it.

    As for those wanting big screen, buy a nokia PCMCIA gprs/gsm card to play online while on the move.

    I hope that someday soon I will simply be able to do quick FPS missions while travelling to work or maybe even a online RPG.

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  28. 3G application by martin · · Score: 2

    With all the suppliers desperately trying to justify the 3G licences they've bought.

    Now the only thing that is pointed at as a money spinners is pron (Virgin have signed with Penthouse or somesuch already).

    Perhaps if the openGL takes off 3D mapping, gaming etc will be another revenue stream.

  29. Flashbacks to 1993 by Edd · · Score: 1

    Annoying little girl picks up cellphone, hotly pursued by dinosaurs:

    "This is a Nokia System, I know this!"

    I call it "Billy and the Cloneasaurus"

  30. 3D interfaces by dmomo · · Score: 1

    That sounds interesting. I am curious if anyone out there can point out some 3d interfaces fot the PC,

    1. Re:3D interfaces by Erik+K.+Veland · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The Quartz Extreme technology of Mac OS X 10.2 leverages OpenGL to offload the heavy display engine to the GPU. You can do impressive graphic compositing this way. Yet the interface is still 2D. Why is this?

      Because on a flat surface the human eye best perceives information laid out on that 2D surface. Until we have a perfect 3D display and a revolutionary new input device (a bat?) you won't see 3d interfaces taking off any day now.

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  31. In the future... by Mika_Lindman · · Score: 1

    3D interfaces in mobiles will come as popular as they are on desktops these days.

  32. 3D screensavers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If battery technology every makes a major leap forward (big IF I know), I could see 3D screensavers becoming fashionable on these things, especially among gadget lovers in Japan.
    Anyway, there may not be many applications now, but that shouldn't be a reason to declare it not worth doing. It's inevitable that 3D will be put on every size screen because 3D capability has practically become a basic, expected functionality on any display.

  33. But getting a big fat TURN HERE could be useful by erlkonig · · Score: 1

    Until your eyes have a HUD, a cellphone might be a perfect way to get a 3D view of what you can see PLUS annotations about what's nearby, an arrow for where to turn next (from your own perspective, which can be faster to grok at times than the overhead view), topographic contour overlay, star finder, etc. As long as the phone can sense its orientation as well as position, it could double as an cheap HUD. Saying your eyes can do this on their own disregards the advantage of the computer interlink the cellphone has.

    1. Re:But getting a big fat TURN HERE could be useful by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

      Hadn't thought of a heads up display type display. Couldn't really see the advantage of seeing you're surroundings in a quake style viewmode, except for some novel fragfests.
      But wouldn't most people want a simple map? Something they regonize and wich has proven itself in car navigation systems?

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    2. Re:But getting a big fat TURN HERE could be useful by erlkonig · · Score: 1

      First, mapping is only one possible application, But even within that constraint, the 2D map approach doesn't work well for everyone (yes, some folks still have trouble reading maps), especially considering that a map has to be oriented to match the surroundings (north on the map to north in reality) by the user either in the head or by the physical rotation of the phone. Given the trouble some folks have with this, wouldn't a 1st-person view with fat 3D arrows be more useful as a guide system for those people? I suppose I should distinguish this from mapping, since it isn't exactly the same idea.

  34. Well the manufacturers could... by browman · · Score: 1

    ..build in some nice apps like nice smooth scrolling/zooming GPS map overlays, or impressive 3d representations of buildings downloaded from who knows where.

    But you we all know the manufacturers will...
    ..put in some annoying whizzy interface (complete with embarrasing sound effects) that shows a rabbit pulling your incoming SMS messages out of a top-hat or something.

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    You fool! You've given cheese to a lactose intolerant volcano god! Do you know what that means?
  35. Yes! Alright! Wahoo! by Conrad_Bombora · · Score: 1

    This is the greatest day of my life, openGL on the cellphone!!!

    YES!

    This is truly supper-wicked-awesome.
    Take that Russia! um?... I mean Bin Laden (waving fist in the air)

    Yes!!

    what's a cellphone?

  36. YEAH overclocking and cooling!!!! by mesach · · Score: 1

    Now i really can look like a borg, i'll just watercool whatever graphics chip they have, and then when i use my phone to play quake and i get a call and put it to my head it will appear as tho i have coolant running through my head!!!!

    Seriously, i thought my phone got hot when i talked on it! now its gonna do 3d?

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    moo.
  37. Hot diggity dog! by mwood · · Score: 1

    Now my cellphone can have an annoying "personality" just like the Gadgetmobile. I can hardly wait.

    Thinking fondly of days of yore, when telephones had only two controls and no display, and worked just fine, thankyouverymuch.

  38. all i care about is that java is IN on it by kalim · · Score: 1
    oh, yeah, it is....that's fine then.

    btw, check out this all-java PDA from kyocera, man that looks cool.

    Kyocera Java PDA

    "Further distancing itself from other and more mainstream PDA products, the user interface of the Pocket Cosmo is according to Kyocera entirely original with rich menus supporting 3D movement, smooth scrolling and instantaneous switching of applications..."

    more j2me news: lurker's guide to j2me

  39. 3D on a small screen DOES work by GweeDo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some people seem to be concerned about how good a 3D app would be on such a small screen at a low resolution. I think the best idea is to look at the state of 3D games on the GBA. There are a mirid of them and many of them are great. One of the best examples is V Rally 3. While most of the other racers use a technique called Mode 7, this one is fully 3D in all aspects. Since the GBA at 240x160 on a small screen can look good in 3D, I wouldn't be concerned with the 3D not being acceptable on a cell phone...

  40. Why Windows 2000 is better than Linux by hendridm · · Score: 2

    From: Competitive Comparisons:

    > [Windows 2000 offers] Better business alignment with straightforward licensing and clarity of intellectual property ownership.

    So my choices are:

    1) Pay big bucks and be sure of who 0wns me, or

    2) pay nothing (aside from development costs) and not give a rats ass.

  41. Let's skip 3D by ChenLing · · Score: 2

    What's with all this hooplah with 3D? I say, "been there, done that"....Let's go straight to 4D!!!!

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    "You have the option of insanity. I do not. And that makes me crazy!" - Brian to Angela, My So-Called Life
    1. Re:Let's skip 3D by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      Let's go straight to 4D!!!!

      Ooops, 3-D in motion is arguably 4-D. But since the display is 2-D regardless I guess the best you can arguably get is 3.5D :-)

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      Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
    2. Re:Let's skip 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I heard they are already working on 5D in Japan.

  42. Intellectual property by austus · · Score: 1

    How long until they sell that intellectual property to Microsoft? I don't trust the bastards anymore.

  43. This is PERFECT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because nothing makes you feel safer than a lot of teenagers driving around playing Quake on their cell phones. In fact, why don't I just get a gun and put it in my mouth right now.

  44. How about the Nokia 7650? by Catullus · · Score: 1
    See here. It meets your following requirements:
    • Full calendar which can synchronise with the desktop
    • Pervasive T9 throughout its interface
    • It's an open platform, so apps will be written to play MP3s and Ogg Vorbis (though it doesn't come with them as standard)
    • 100-150hrs standby
    • Speakerphone & good quality audio
    • Full colour screen
    • Notepad, voice recorder (and voice dialling)
    • GPRS, HSCSD, and Bluetooth
    The only item on your list it doesn't have is a radio. But more crucially than any of the above, it's an open platform, so applications can be written for it to do almost anything you want.

    For example, someone's already written a MPEG 4 video recorder for the phone, which I frankly find amazing.

    Oh, PS... it won't work in the US. But you could wait a few months for the Sony Ericsson P800, which will do.

  45. just Java? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    is Java 3D OpenGL API all that is being worked on currently or was that simply just what happened to be named? Other compiled and script languages could use this, if only as the 2d portion for normalizing a non-web interface. It would be nice to have an abstracted GUI API that is light and supports subsets and partial adoption / extension without breaking it (well not just GUI I guess, but that is on my mind now :)

    IMHO, this would be the best thing for developers, and with the elements within that article that discuss the previous display work that is hardware independent I think it would fit in nicely.