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FBI Arrests 4 College Interns For Stealing Lunar Materials

An anonymous reader "Today, the fourth member of a group of college interns working at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston turned herself in after being charged with conspiracy to steal government property. Click2Houston.com has an article with a video feed covering many details of the case. Apparently, three of the alleged theives went to Florida and tried to sell, online, the 5 oz. of moon rocks and meteorite material they lugged out of the JSC in a 600lb case. Here's another article from the Houston Chronicle."

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  1. What did they expect.. by Chicane-UK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And they didn't expect to get caught? I might understand if they were trying to sell a harddrive they had stolen from work, or a 2nd hand base unit they had sneaked out. But a few hundred pounds of moonrock are sure to be noticed, especially when you sell em on eBay!

    They deserve to get caught..

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    1. Re:What did they expect.. by Subcarrier · · Score: 3, Funny

      But a few hundred pounds of moonrock are sure to be noticed, especially when you sell em on eBay!

      You would be surprised, the kind of ideas you come up with after consuming a gallon of moonshine with your friends.

      "Hic! Man, this rocks! Show me the money! SHOW! ME! THE! MONEY!"

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  2. The dark side of the moon... by lfourrier · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...brings no
    money.

    sorry for the youngs here. A long time ago, there was some band named Pink Floyd...

  3. Should have sold... by __aadhrk6380 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The rocks in their heads, instead.

  4. A tribute to the FBI... by iworm · · Score: 5, Funny

    "We put two and two together," Houston FBI spokesman Bob Doguim said Monday. "We had missing rocks in Houston, and some people trying to sell them online."

    Heck, they're clever these FBI chaps, eh?

  5. Government property? by plumby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why is it government property? I thought there was an agreement that the moon was not owned by any country or government. Surely taking the rock from the moon doesn't actually mean that you then own it (as you've then stolen it from the rest of the world). If it belongs to anyone one earth, then maybe the UN, but not an individual government.

    1. Re:Government property? by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Us Government property, UN property... Hmm. Am I missing a distinction in there?

      Let's not split geopolitical hairs.

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    2. Re:Government property? by great+throwdini · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One point on which I don't agree is the idea that we own it forever. Apparently there was some recent disagreement (perhaps discussed here on the dot?) that involved a moon rock that had changed hands a few times. The first change of hands (from the U.S. to a foreign dignitary) was legit, but one or more of the later transfers were not legit. I don't agree that the U.S. has a legitimate claim to it.

      Should I happen to be so lucky to recall this particular dispute correctly, the issue was that the lunar rock in question had been gifted to a foreign dignitary, subsequently stolen, and was now in process of being resold.

      Ah. Here's a reference to the lunar dispute. Seems the Feds want to reclaim a rock originally given to Honduras by President Nixon so that they may return it to the Honduran government. The person most recently in possession of the rock claimed to have bought it from a Honduran military officer who, in turn, claimed to have been given it as a gift some time ago. The Honduran gov't claims they never let it go willingly in the first place.

      And here's a 1995 lunar rock dispute, wherein the Feds claimed a rock put up for sale was stolen in the mail some twenty-odd years back. No idea what the resolution was in that case.

      Two things I note, here: (1) proposed sale of lunar material invites close scrutiny by the Feds; and (2) the Feds don't seem to be claiming ownership without end, but instead inspection and enforcement of transfer to and among individuals.

      Makes me wonder whether such intervention on the part of the Federal Government is really out of line with handling of similar national treasures. (Yes, though given as goodwill trinkets to other nations, I do believe the expense and historical value of the materials in question qualify them as such.)

    3. Re:Government property? by LittleGuy · · Score: 3

      [i]Why is it government property? [/i]

      Procured with Government funds, perhaps?

      When individuals can send vehicles to land on the moon, scoop up samples, and return them safely, then they can do whatever with the samples.

      Rebuttal?

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    4. Re:Government property? by itsnotme · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its not like you OWN the earth either, its been around longer than any of us and we are claiming that patches of land on it belong to us exclusively. Why should the moon be any different, greed is greed.

    5. Re:Government property? by the+gnat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's shocking how many people in this thread agree with you. As government property, it was available for research (one of the linked articles has an archived article discussing this) and held in trust for the people. In fact, that article says they get requests from institutions all over the world to study the rocks. Anyone who wants their own personal moon rocks can fund their own expedition to get them. I doubt the feds would have much of a case trying to wrest those away.

      At any rate, the point here is that these particular rocks were most certainly US property, and these assholes were trying to sell them to a private collector. I fail to see any gray area.

  6. Who would buy these? by Myco · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What kind of idiot would buy moon rocks over the Internet for any appreciable sum of money? How exactly would you verify what you were buying? And what kind of idiot wouldn't know that any moon rocks for sale must be stolen property?

    There is, last time I checked, *one* moon rock in the U.S. (or the world?) that is in any way available to the public. You can go and touch it. I did. Whee. Looked like a rock, to me.

    1. Re:Who would buy these? by guttentag · · Score: 5, Funny
      What kind of idiot would buy moon rocks over the Internet for any appreciable sum of money?
      The FBI.

      Idiot Selling Moon Rocks: "Hey, I got me some moon rocks for sale! Moon rocks! Get 'em while they're hot!"
      FBI Agent: "I'm very interested in your moon rocks. Where did you get them? I see... Where do I send the check?"

    2. Re:Who would buy these? by PatientZero · · Score: 3, Funny

      All they got was a fscking T-shirt.

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  7. uhm? by zmooc · · Score: 4, Funny

    oz? lbs? People living somewhere on the southern hemisphere and a harddisk access format? What do they have to do with moonrocks?

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  8. other stolen rocks.. by Fuzzums · · Score: 5, Interesting

    one year ago there was a big diamond theft in amsterdam. No guns were used.
    the diamonds wee carried out thtough the front door in a microwavebox!

    [http://www.preciousgemstones.com/gffall01.html# th iev]
    $8 Million in Diamonds Stolen in Microwave
    In the Netherlands, a 25-year-old man calmly walked out of the offices of Amsterdam's Gassan Diamonds carrying a box stuffed with uninsured diamonds. He had arrived at the office with the box at the start of the working day, saying it contained a microwave oven. Benno Leeser, director of the 56-year-old family-run firm said, "He came with a microwave in the box, but he left with the diamonds." The suspect, said to be a former army cook who had worked for the firm since April, has vanished without a trace.

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  9. The "Moon": A Ridiculous Liberal Myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have fallen so quickly and so hard for a fraudulent fabrication of such laughable proportions. The very idea that a gigantic ball of rock happens to orbit our planet, showing itself in neat, four-week cycles -- with the same side facing us all the time -- is ludicrous. Furthermore, it is an insult to common sense and a damnable affront to intellectual honesty and integrity. That people actually believe it is evidence that the liberals have wrested the last vestiges of control of our public school system from decent, God-fearing Americans (as if any further evidence was needed! Daddy's Roommate? God Almighty!)

    Documentaries such as Enemy of the State have accurately portrayed the elaborate, byzantine network of surveillance satellites that the liberals have sent into space to spy on law-abiding Americans. Equipped with technology developed by Handgun Control, Inc., these satellites have the ability to detect firearms from hundreds of kilometers up. That's right, neighbors .. the next time you're out in the backyard exercising your Second Amendment rights, the liberals will see it! These satellites are sensitive enough to tell the difference between a Colt .45 and a .38 Special! And when they detect you with a firearm, their computers cross-reference the address to figure out your name, and then an enormous database housed at Berkeley is updated with information about you.

    Of course, this all works fine during the day, but what about at night? Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!) That's where the "moon" comes in. Powered by nuclear reactors, the "moon" is nothing more than an enormous balloon, emitting trillions of candlepower of gun-revealing light. Piloted by key members of the liberal community, the "moon" is strategically moved across the country, pointing out those who dare to make use of their God-given rights at night!

    Yes, I know this probably sounds paranoid and preposterous, but consider this. Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950. That is when it was initially launched. When President Josef Kennedy, at the State of the Union address, proclaimed "We choose to go to the moon", he may as well have said "We choose to go to the weather balloon." The subsequent faking of a "moon" landing on national TV was the first step in a long history of the erosion of our constitutional rights by leftists in this country. No longer can we hide from our government when the sun goes down.

    1. Re:The "Moon": A Ridiculous Liberal Myth by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you're referring to any of the following "proof" that the landings didn't take place, then you need to do some real research:
      1. There was no crater under the lander.
      2. The shadows should have been completely dark.
      3. There are no stars in the night sky.
      4. You can see the letter "N" (or something) on a "prop" rock.
      5. You can see a reflection of a video camera, or an incorrect reflection (3rd spaceman, etc) in a visor.
      All of these "proofs" have been easily disproven. I'll enumerate:
      1. There will never be one, they approached the moon at several feet/sec. Do you hit the parking space at 100MPH?
      2. Simple physics: Light reflects. There are no truly dark shadows anywhere there is a light source that can reflect.
      3. The cameras were set to very fast exposure due to the extreme brightness so the stars did not have time to expose the film. (In addition, I beelive that there are stars in some of the real NASA pictures.)
      4. This is a scratch in the film; the real photo does not have this (or other imperfections that have been added by bad photocopies).
      5. I won't go into detail on all of them, but the imfamous "3rd spaceman" is actually an editied picture: again, it is not present in the originals.
      Go to the webpage previously referenced, it explains everything in detail.

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    2. Re:The "Moon": A Ridiculous Liberal Myth by Xerithane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The analysis isn't conclusive because it's not only done by a bunch of tin-foil hat wearing people who think Art Bell should be president, but completely flawed.

      Have you seen the original photos? I mean the originals. The real originals.

      Let me tell you a story, it's about Mars. You see, Mars has this face on it, right? It's a human face, that's how the story goes, if I recall. I saw the original feed. I had access to all of those images. Every single mars image we have ever taken, straight from the archives.

      You know what? All those "Mars Face" images are doctored. In a really easy way, just playing around with overlay and contrast and you get a very nice face.

      If you think that analyzing photographs and only photographs is considered real research than you really do need to take a forensics course when you get into college. If it would have been real research they would have explained and counter-proofed all the rebuttals.

      Such as why there is no crater. Which I think is the stupidest one of all. We are talking landing at less than 2 feet per second. 2 feet per second. You jump harder than that dipshit. I don't see craters forming on NBA courts everywhere. Hell, I don't see craters forming out in the dirt when you jump up and down.

      Anyway, go open your eyes read up on light reflection on the moon and physics, and you will see that you sound like a complete fucking moron right now trying to say this is a hoax.

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  10. Where is the news? by pieterh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is the real story here? 10oz of rock fragments for $2000-8000 per oz = $20-80k, not really a million dollar heist. This amounts to a theft of around 1/1400th of the total brought back from the moon. Big deal. It's the price of one new car.
    It's maybe worth commenting how law enforcement is starting to use the Internet to cross reference thefts with sales. But seriously: doing manual searches of e-Bay is not what I'd consider automation.
    Summer time... and the news is slow.

    1. Re:Where is the news? by UM_Maverick · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not exactly...it was 2-8K per GRAM, not per ounce. At 28.4 grams per ounce, this becomes $568K-$2.2 million. So yeah, it really is a million-dollar heist.

      Also, the FBI didn't find it themselves...they were tipped off by "a belgian rock hound"

  11. ...can't...resist... by McCart42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It'll be interesting to see them use the defense that "it was the moon rock gnomes!" ...can't resist this one.

    1. Steal moon rocks.
    2. ???
    3. Profit!

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  12. I don't get it by The+Mutant · · Score: 3, Interesting
    How on earth did they expect to get away with it, considering its relatively (in italics since I'm assuming folks like these would have clear knowledge) well known that possession of moon rocks by US citizens is illegal.

    Its even been discussed on /. before.

    Now that being said, its very common in the art world for works of art - sometimes priceless ones at that - to be stolen and to disappear into private collections.

    And I could fully understand if any one of these geeks took the rocks and stashed them away in their bedrooms. Hell, who wouldn't want a chunk of the moon in their bedroom?

    But to try to sell on the 'Net?!??

    I'm missing something here, but I guess its because was assuming they were bright.

  13. Re:thank you, you stupid fucking intern by The+Dobber · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah right. NASA willl probably form a team to review the issue and come back with the suggestion of A) decreasing the standards for internship B) increasing the compensation.

    As for the FBI, gotta love those analytical skills
    To quote:

    "We put two and two together," Houston FBI spokesman Bob Doguim said Monday. "We had missing rocks in Houston, and some people trying to sell them online."

    Wow.

  14. What do you bet.... by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... one of them tried to smoke the moon rock in thier crack pipe.

  15. Here's what went down... by Gennette · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's what I get from reading the actual article in the Houston paper, rather than just reading the little summary. Four friends decide it would be funny to post something about selling moon rocks. They haven't stolen the rocks at this point, and they probably don't really intend to. They have some good laughs over it, I'm sure. Then, someone actually replies about wanting them! (someone that is just a front for the FBI) Encouraged by the huge amount that he is supposedly willing to pay, they are enticed to actually steal the rocks. In fact, they don't even steal them till after the undercover FBI people set up a price and meeting place. By this point, they feel like they're in too deep to back out. The joke has gone too far. They feel they have no choice but to actually follow through. Hello entrapment! (anyone who actually read it, feel free to discuss...others please don't comment)

    1. Re:Here's what went down... by Binky+The+Oracle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You wouldn't happen to be their defense lawyer, would you? Because that's exactly the argument I'd take to try to make to weasel out of this. "It's ahl a gubmint cohnspeerasee yah honah! These heah rocket wizahds was TRICKED into a life ah crime!"

      I'm not a lawyer, but if I recall correctly, entrapment only occurs when the enforcement organization actively initiates the transaction or crime.

      For example, let's say that the FBI puts two and two together (as they're apparently good at doing) and thinks that Senator Hollings is on the take. They call him up, offer him some money in return for some legislation, and pay him off. Well, ok, that's not a great example because we already know he's on the take, so this is just a sting proving his behavior. ;-)

      Instead, let's say your local police force sends an undercover officer to your house and the cop convinces/coerces you to take his gun and hold up the convenience store down the street. He goes with you and arrests you when you pull out the gun in the store. That's entrapment.

      If, however, I start asking around about where I can get a gun fast and the police get tipped off and start an undercover operation to catch me doing whatever it is I'm planning, that's not entrapment.

      Regardless of their original intent, at least one of these four posted an email saying they had lunar materials for sale on a web site and subsequently followed through with the theft and attempted sale. Their intent could conceivably have bearing on sentencing, but shouldn't on whether or not they're guilty of the crime. They said they had moon rocks for sale, they stole moon rocks, they tried to sell the stolen moon rocks. Period.

      (And yes, I read the Chron article.)

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