Does this mean trolls teeth get cleaner due to surface areas being easier to access? Should I roll a troll for better hygiene?
If we do heroic brushing runs will we get epic gum lines?
Will it be a bad thing if a good tooth drops?
Can I rez a molar to avoid an extraction?
Will we be able to eat on Tuesdays, or will nutrition be down due to maintenance?
Should I just go ahead and plan to make my wisdom teeth shamans, priests and mages or are there options?
Subscription based MMORPG's (Molar-based Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games) are obviously the wave of the future. I can see Blizz changing the Headless Horseman to the Tooth Fairy this year.
Do you know how to run it? Seriously, everyone here has an opinion but do you have the expertise to run it? In a way that would make everyone happy and that would be net neutral and that would satisfy politics? In the real world? In a way that would allow Nepal to bitch and China to still express an opinion and have both the Dalai Lama and the Chinese Premier ready to come visit you at your house for drinks and a round of golf with you and Bill Murray?
Bitch about $800k all you want, but at $400k I think we get a $400k run internet. Pay for performance is a world-wide metric. Do I want someone to do it for free? No, because that is what I will get in return. Open source it? Ok, which nation gets to run THAT? Anarchy? No thanks.
The internet is not utopia. It is actually, however, the one resource no world power controls. RIAA and MPAA and a lot of other corporate powers would like to control it, a lot of nations would like to control it, but for $800k I am happy to let someone run one part of it who (a) Knows what he is doing and (b) makes enough doing so that bribery is not a major source of income.
I agree. The only point at which SPF or DKIM comes into play is the last few percentage points of filtering and even then other measures can suffice. For instance, I use a Barracuda Spam Firewall and out of the box it catches probably 80% with no false positives. Train the Bayesian filter and pick up easily another 10%. For my use, I can do some TLD blocking without worry such as CN, BR, and RU to name a few and I pick up additional percentage points. A few Regex for things like Viagra and Rolex net me a few more points. Doing a little header blocking for things like XMailer: The Bat and I am down to around 1% spam or less.
Doing things like NOT white-listing your own domain work just as well as SPF or DKIM if you implement quarantining. When you put email handling rules into play like Junk or Spam boxes and allow a per user quarantine with personalized Bayesian settings you can really knock the junk down to virtually nothing.
I think the thing here to take into account is that things like DKIM and SPF are not major solutions to spam. They can help reduce a point or two on percentages depending on your overall configuration, but they are nowhere near global solutions within your enterprise.
If cyberspace and reality meet, millions of geeks worldwide will finally meet their cyber-girlfriends and actually consumate their relationships. Floods of ugly, highly intelligent children to follow.
Wait a minute, my bad. I think that is what the OP was getting at...
I suppose the real crimes committed depend on your perspective. As an IT Director for a state government agency, I have to deal with the problem of spam directly. We have to budget for equipment and manpower (both of which have real costs) to maintain email as a viable method of communication with the people we serve. Money that could be better spent elsewhere to make more of an impact on our clients and ease the burden on taxpayers. Identity theft is an egregious crime, but it affects a much smaller portion of the population than you might think (check Sans.org). The costs of spam, both direct and indirect, affect everyone with an email account. This is about the hijacking and abuse of a globally available service. Whether it is T&A, male enhancement or phishing, when the means of communication itself are corrupted we all lose.
[A researcher said:] 'One end goal would be that people living in areas that flood can install these themselves. They are simple and robust enough to make that possible.'
Ummm... Would that be the people that are simple and robust or the technology? Either way, surely this is a win-win scenario in an election year, right?
This is about the best comment I have seen so far on this. This is/. after all. The how and the why should get equal time.
I remember that RIAA going after Napster was supposed to be the death knell of the recording industry. Didn't happen that way. Going after a grandmother because a teenager downloaded copyrighted material from her computer was supposed to be the death knell. Didn't happen. It should be obvious at this point that the RIAA and MPAA war chests are deep enough for this to go on a while.
To me, the issue is the how. Is it social engineering? Promises of a good job in return for ratting out your buddies? Is it seeding downloads with copies that "phone home"? At the most basic level, this is an issue of hacking a network. And THAT deserves more commentary and brain sweat than the "Big Brother RIAA" stuff. I don't get outraged as much about an industry wanting to protect their property as I do about the possibility that there is a back-channel way for them to watch what I am doing.
And if the majority of Slashdot posters used your logic and thought things through like you did instead of leaping on the first thing they disagreed with it would be a much better forum.
Like it used to be.
Or do I just remember it being good in the past?
I can't really remember any more you RIA GNAA GOATSE gay bi pig.
Present them with a freshly installed linux box running the distro of your choice, sans web browser. Then, tell them that they can open a terminal window and surf the web by simply typing "lynx" at the command prompt.
When they start asking questions about the text only browser, stare at them like they are idiots and chant "man lynx" like it will make a difference.
I gotta wonder where the hue and cry would be if the government was cracking down on Tor instead of a fellow network admin.
Having said that, there are any number of legitimate reasons for using this technology, many of which have already been noted on here. Let's take a slightly different look at things:
There's only two types of people that would bother with annonymous internet usage... those doing something they fear might get them in trouble, and those that fear being monitored regardless if they're doing anything bad or not... either way, annonymous internet usage is somewhat a product of fear.
Why not disable the AC option for posting on Slashdot. After all, that more or less falls within your lines of reasoning. For whatever reason, lot's of folks on/. post AC for certain stories, and I respect that. Sometimes, you just don't want to get flamed for a view, and I don't have a problem with that.
Using technology to secure your site surfing is an extension of the AC concept.
As for being open to abuse, isn't that pretty much the same for email? The vast majority of email users aren't hawking viagra, but they are subject to a flood of crap by those that are. Ditto the vast majority of Tor users.
Tor is a valid tool with a valid function. It also has a choke point for those sites or admins that wish to choke it. Trust me on that.
I had to drop Privoxy (using Tor) to make this post. That is the policy of this site and I don't have a problem with that either.
But with Tor running through Privoxy, I could still read the comments and stories.
1. Port OS that is not as vulnerable to viruses or spyware to popular hardware. 2. Tout the usability and security. 3. ??? 4. Profit!!!
At least, that was my first take on things. If you are Apple, and you want to mainstream your product, you won't be doing that with proprietary hardware. Instead, you ride the *nix wave and go for security and stability as well as user friendly.
IMO, OS X is the market slayer here, not the hardware/software combination. For Apple, profitability goes up as hardware costs go down, and you move your truly marketable commodity to the forefront.
If they have the balls to do it, it could make for an interesting ride.
Good points, but to me it looks like compliance with standards is becoming an issue at Redmond. If you think about it, it almost sounds like Microsoft is trying to play by the rules instead of trying to establish them.
If they are ready for another browser war, I hope it is on an even playing field and not an MS-IETF type of rule set. Given a level playing field, Firefox, Opera, et al stand a good chance of winning.
Sounds to me more like it is an opportunity for a niche market of companies to fabricate equipment designed to work in space.
With low to no gravity and a high potential for various solar interferences, you need some seriously ruggedized components in order to work. With the amazing success of the Ansari X Prize, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a few companies take a stab at making spaceworthy computing components.
To me, it seems like quite a few past innovations from the government have been generated as a direct result of wars. WWII, Viet Nam, the first and second Gulf Wars, all have contributed to tech. All we have to show for space related issues are SDI, which doesn't really seem to (a) exist or (b), have contributed anything to the common core of technology.
I am hopeful that the commercialization of space flight will add to our technological advances in (ahem) interstellar computing. The loop is open now to the best and brightest. Let's see what they've got
After all, if an alien civilization captures one of our orbital vehicles and comes to the conclusion that Pong and limited space flights are the height of our technology, we're screwed.
I see there are a few CLI purists in this thread, and I understand their point. Granted, a GUI adds bloat. It isn't as pure. And yes, major PBX systems like Meridian are all CLI.
On the other hand, GUI's are a blessing for people that are smart enough to know what needs to happen but who might need a reminder or two to hit every config point. When I can see an option in a GUI panel versus having to juggle 60 or so config files in my mind I am a lot better off.
My guess is that most FOSS folks here are on the data and not voice networking side. Conversely, I just got done overseeing a T1 circuit install for a customer move and had an opportunity to talk with the PBX guy. I mentioned Asterisk and got a blank look in return.
If a GUI would help spur adoption of this technology by making it a tad easier to use for us data types, I am all for it.
If you advertise rates and don't meet them, you're wrong. I can understand "forgetting" to update your site, but once someone told you about it and it still goes uncorrected? There has to be some responsibility on the part of the advertisor (regardless of the medium) to make things right. Internet ads still account for billions of dollars world wide, and this is no different than a regular print or TV ad.
There have to be warnings in place prior to sanctions - Again, there is always the possibility of an oversight, especially in the case of a company that doesn't use the web as their primary advertising method, but once notified, fix it for Gods sake!
I was ready to come down hard here, but after I RTFA, I don't have a problem with this.
You have a very reasoned argument, and I agree in principle. However, while this method of data transmission doesn't encourage specific types of traffic, it certainly lends itself handily to groups wishing to hide unlawful activity.
Trust me here, I understand all sides of the argument. And I agree that anonymity in communication is important. But using anonymity to either commit or further a crime is a problem. How we deal with that problem will define us as a society, if it doesn't destroy us as a society first. Having a societal capacity to handle new freedoms responsibly doesn't necessarily coincide with the rapid introductions of those freedoms, especially when Google has all the answers for even the most technically inept criminals.
Technology outstrips law enforcements ability to deal with it (at least at local levels) on an almost daily basis. Whether we are talking about a kiddie porn mogul or a real live terrorist (yes, they do exist) technologies such as these offer a perfect avenue for the purveyance of illegal communication.
99% of the people (I hope) will be the kind of folks that use this technology for what it is intended for (based on TOR's stated goals). But there will be those, especially early on, that manipulate it to their ends. Spammers are a pain in the ass. Those with more sinister goals are something else entirely.
I don't have a ready answer for how to handle this, I am just trying to point out a measured, non-hysterical response showing the other side of the coin.
Exactly. The students should take the same steps to secure their investment (i.e., data) that the university takes to secure its own (network).
In all honesty, anyone who has ever managed a large heterogenous network like this would have to admit that some steps need to be taken at the Big Brother level. Between viruses, spyware, trojans, and 15,000 opt-ins to the Universal Coupon Network mailing list, anarchy and complete system failure are about a half step away.
I had quite a few problems with the community version involving hardware issues (NIC's, HD and partition tables, etc). I will be taking some time this weekend to slap the official release on my test box. Mandrake is a great distro, but they might have jumped the gun a bit on their community release.
Funny that I have seen satellite commercials lately talking about cable companies being "piggish" when "SNORT" would work for a 911 system in a case like this.;-)
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Does this mean trolls teeth get cleaner due to surface areas being easier to access? Should I roll a troll for better hygiene?
If we do heroic brushing runs will we get epic gum lines?
Will it be a bad thing if a good tooth drops?
Can I rez a molar to avoid an extraction?
Will we be able to eat on Tuesdays, or will nutrition be down due to maintenance?
Should I just go ahead and plan to make my wisdom teeth shamans, priests and mages or are there options?
Subscription based MMORPG's (Molar-based Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games) are obviously the wave of the future. I can see Blizz changing the Headless Horseman to the Tooth Fairy this year.
Do you know how to run it? Seriously, everyone here has an opinion but do you have the expertise to run it? In a way that would make everyone happy and that would be net neutral and that would satisfy politics? In the real world? In a way that would allow Nepal to bitch and China to still express an opinion and have both the Dalai Lama and the Chinese Premier ready to come visit you at your house for drinks and a round of golf with you and Bill Murray?
Bitch about $800k all you want, but at $400k I think we get a $400k run internet. Pay for performance is a world-wide metric. Do I want someone to do it for free? No, because that is what I will get in return. Open source it? Ok, which nation gets to run THAT? Anarchy? No thanks.
The internet is not utopia. It is actually, however, the one resource no world power controls. RIAA and MPAA and a lot of other corporate powers would like to control it, a lot of nations would like to control it, but for $800k I am happy to let someone run one part of it who (a) Knows what he is doing and (b) makes enough doing so that bribery is not a major source of income.
You know it is gonna happen.
Very wise, Dingla San. You sense the vulnerability of the prasmodium!
I agree. The only point at which SPF or DKIM comes into play is the last few percentage points of filtering and even then other measures can suffice. For instance, I use a Barracuda Spam Firewall and out of the box it catches probably 80% with no false positives. Train the Bayesian filter and pick up easily another 10%. For my use, I can do some TLD blocking without worry such as CN, BR, and RU to name a few and I pick up additional percentage points. A few Regex for things like Viagra and Rolex net me a few more points. Doing a little header blocking for things like XMailer: The Bat and I am down to around 1% spam or less.
Doing things like NOT white-listing your own domain work just as well as SPF or DKIM if you implement quarantining. When you put email handling rules into play like Junk or Spam boxes and allow a per user quarantine with personalized Bayesian settings you can really knock the junk down to virtually nothing.
I think the thing here to take into account is that things like DKIM and SPF are not major solutions to spam. They can help reduce a point or two on percentages depending on your overall configuration, but they are nowhere near global solutions within your enterprise.
They wanted to take up canasta to replace their Friday night intergalactic whist league so they went to the source. It makes perfect sense.
100,000 stories and 99,999 dupes. Variety is the spice of life!
Damn, wait, I think I already posted that once before....
If cyberspace and reality meet, millions of geeks worldwide will finally meet their cyber-girlfriends and actually consumate their relationships. Floods of ugly, highly intelligent children to follow.
Wait a minute, my bad. I think that is what the OP was getting at...
I suppose the real crimes committed depend on your perspective. As an IT Director for a state government agency, I have to deal with the problem of spam directly. We have to budget for equipment and manpower (both of which have real costs) to maintain email as a viable method of communication with the people we serve. Money that could be better spent elsewhere to make more of an impact on our clients and ease the burden on taxpayers. Identity theft is an egregious crime, but it affects a much smaller portion of the population than you might think (check Sans.org). The costs of spam, both direct and indirect, affect everyone with an email account. This is about the hijacking and abuse of a globally available service. Whether it is T&A, male enhancement or phishing, when the means of communication itself are corrupted we all lose.
[A researcher said:] 'One end goal would be that people living in areas that flood can install these themselves. They are simple and robust enough to make that possible.'
Ummm... Would that be the people that are simple and robust or the technology? Either way, surely this is a win-win scenario in an election year, right?
This is about the best comment I have seen so far on this. This is /. after all. The how and the why should get equal time.
I remember that RIAA going after Napster was supposed to be the death knell of the recording industry. Didn't happen that way. Going after a grandmother because a teenager downloaded copyrighted material from her computer was supposed to be the death knell. Didn't happen. It should be obvious at this point that the RIAA and MPAA war chests are deep enough for this to go on a while.
To me, the issue is the how. Is it social engineering? Promises of a good job in return for ratting out your buddies? Is it seeding downloads with copies that "phone home"? At the most basic level, this is an issue of hacking a network. And THAT deserves more commentary and brain sweat than the "Big Brother RIAA" stuff. I don't get outraged as much about an industry wanting to protect their property as I do about the possibility that there is a back-channel way for them to watch what I am doing.
And if the majority of Slashdot posters used your logic and thought things through like you did instead of leaping on the first thing they disagreed with it would be a much better forum.
Like it used to be.
Or do I just remember it being good in the past?
I can't really remember any more you RIA GNAA GOATSE gay bi pig.
All of my base are belong to me?
(With tongue in cheek):
Present them with a freshly installed linux box running the distro of your choice, sans web browser. Then, tell them that they can open a terminal window and surf the web by simply typing "lynx" at the command prompt.
When they start asking questions about the text only browser, stare at them like they are idiots and chant "man lynx" like it will make a difference.
I gotta wonder where the hue and cry would be if the government was cracking down on Tor instead of a fellow network admin.
/. post AC for certain stories, and I respect that. Sometimes, you just don't want to get flamed for a view, and I don't have a problem with that.
Having said that, there are any number of legitimate reasons for using this technology, many of which have already been noted on here. Let's take a slightly different look at things:
There's only two types of people that would bother with annonymous internet usage... those doing something they fear might get them in trouble, and those that fear being monitored regardless if they're doing anything bad or not... either way, annonymous internet usage is somewhat a product of fear.
Why not disable the AC option for posting on Slashdot. After all, that more or less falls within your lines of reasoning. For whatever reason, lot's of folks on
Using technology to secure your site surfing is an extension of the AC concept.
As for being open to abuse, isn't that pretty much the same for email? The vast majority of email users aren't hawking viagra, but they are subject to a flood of crap by those that are. Ditto the vast majority of Tor users.
Tor is a valid tool with a valid function. It also has a choke point for those sites or admins that wish to choke it. Trust me on that.
I had to drop Privoxy (using Tor) to make this post. That is the policy of this site and I don't have a problem with that either.
But with Tor running through Privoxy, I could still read the comments and stories.
Think Microsoft if you are Apple -
1. Port OS that is not as vulnerable to viruses or spyware to popular hardware.
2. Tout the usability and security.
3. ???
4. Profit!!!
At least, that was my first take on things. If you are Apple, and you want to mainstream your product, you won't be doing that with proprietary hardware. Instead, you ride the *nix wave and go for security and stability as well as user friendly.
IMO, OS X is the market slayer here, not the hardware/software combination. For Apple, profitability goes up as hardware costs go down, and you move your truly marketable commodity to the forefront.
If they have the balls to do it, it could make for an interesting ride.
Good points, but to me it looks like compliance with standards is becoming an issue at Redmond. If you think about it, it almost sounds like Microsoft is trying to play by the rules instead of trying to establish them.
If they are ready for another browser war, I hope it is on an even playing field and not an MS-IETF type of rule set. Given a level playing field, Firefox, Opera, et al stand a good chance of winning.
Vive la Chance!
Sounds to me more like it is an opportunity for a niche market of companies to fabricate equipment designed to work in space.
With low to no gravity and a high potential for various solar interferences, you need some seriously ruggedized components in order to work. With the amazing success of the Ansari X Prize, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a few companies take a stab at making spaceworthy computing components.
To me, it seems like quite a few past innovations from the government have been generated as a direct result of wars. WWII, Viet Nam, the first and second Gulf Wars, all have contributed to tech. All we have to show for space related issues are SDI, which doesn't really seem to (a) exist or (b), have contributed anything to the common core of technology.
I am hopeful that the commercialization of space flight will add to our technological advances in (ahem) interstellar computing. The loop is open now to the best and brightest. Let's see what they've got
After all, if an alien civilization captures one of our orbital vehicles and comes to the conclusion that Pong and limited space flights are the height of our technology, we're screwed.
I see there are a few CLI purists in this thread, and I understand their point. Granted, a GUI adds bloat. It isn't as pure. And yes, major PBX systems like Meridian are all CLI.
On the other hand, GUI's are a blessing for people that are smart enough to know what needs to happen but who might need a reminder or two to hit every config point. When I can see an option in a GUI panel versus having to juggle 60 or so config files in my mind I am a lot better off.
My guess is that most FOSS folks here are on the data and not voice networking side. Conversely, I just got done overseeing a T1 circuit install for a customer move and had an opportunity to talk with the PBX guy. I mentioned Asterisk and got a blank look in return.
If a GUI would help spur adoption of this technology by making it a tad easier to use for us data types, I am all for it.
Amen!
If you advertise rates and don't meet them, you're wrong. I can understand "forgetting" to update your site, but once someone told you about it and it still goes uncorrected? There has to be some responsibility on the part of the advertisor (regardless of the medium) to make things right. Internet ads still account for billions of dollars world wide, and this is no different than a regular print or TV ad.
There have to be warnings in place prior to sanctions - Again, there is always the possibility of an oversight, especially in the case of a company that doesn't use the web as their primary advertising method, but once notified, fix it for Gods sake!
I was ready to come down hard here, but after I RTFA, I don't have a problem with this.
You have a very reasoned argument, and I agree in principle. However, while this method of data transmission doesn't encourage specific types of traffic, it certainly lends itself handily to groups wishing to hide unlawful activity.
Trust me here, I understand all sides of the argument. And I agree that anonymity in communication is important. But using anonymity to either commit or further a crime is a problem. How we deal with that problem will define us as a society, if it doesn't destroy us as a society first. Having a societal capacity to handle new freedoms responsibly doesn't necessarily coincide with the rapid introductions of those freedoms, especially when Google has all the answers for even the most technically inept criminals.
Technology outstrips law enforcements ability to deal with it (at least at local levels) on an almost daily basis. Whether we are talking about a kiddie porn mogul or a real live terrorist (yes, they do exist) technologies such as these offer a perfect avenue for the purveyance of illegal communication.
99% of the people (I hope) will be the kind of folks that use this technology for what it is intended for (based on TOR's stated goals). But there will be those, especially early on, that manipulate it to their ends. Spammers are a pain in the ass. Those with more sinister goals are something else entirely.
I don't have a ready answer for how to handle this, I am just trying to point out a measured, non-hysterical response showing the other side of the coin.
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Exactly. The students should take the same steps to secure their investment (i.e., data) that the university takes to secure its own (network).
In all honesty, anyone who has ever managed a large heterogenous network like this would have to admit that some steps need to be taken at the Big Brother level. Between viruses, spyware, trojans, and 15,000 opt-ins to the Universal Coupon Network mailing list, anarchy and complete system failure are about a half step away.
Ok, everyone, cover your assets!
Yeah,and Google is just a search engine. GMail is a gimmick. Free as in beer. Etc, etc.
;-)
Give the money and the brains a chance and let's see what happens. How many "Hack This" contests have there been with a reward attached?
Nothing new here.
At least, not yet. Open source space. Ahhh!
I had quite a few problems with the community version involving hardware issues (NIC's, HD and partition tables, etc). I will be taking some time this weekend to slap the official release on my test box. Mandrake is a great distro, but they might have jumped the gun a bit on their community release.
Funny that I have seen satellite commercials lately talking about cable companies being "piggish" when "SNORT" would work for a 911 system in a case like this. ;-)