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Mozilla 1.1 Beta Out And About
asa writes: "Today mozilla.org released Mozilla 1.1 Beta. New to this release are full-screen mode for Linux, BiDi Hebrew improvements, Arabic shaping improvements for Linux, and significant improvements to Venkman, the best cross-platform JavaScript debugger on the planet. Binaries and release notes available at http://www.mozilla.org/releases/. You can read more about this release at mozilla.org and mozillazine.org and if you want to see how this release fits into the overall 1.1 development cycle there's a pretty picture available at the Mozilla Development Roadmap."
Could 1.1 be the version that AOL integrates with their client software?
Mozilla's drag and drop support has been greatly improved.
How about disabling drag and drop under Linux, select and middle-click do everything I need. Drag and drop interferes with selection.
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I would like to see better flash support, a better java, and more speed(i dunno aout linux but on my solaris it is slow :-( ).
But overall a good package and if we iron out the rough edges it is the best browser there is. :-).
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Saw the slashdot article and immediately downloaded the beta.
So far it's working like a charm. They've fixed up the bugs from the alpha, like the one which caused word overlapping on some sentences.
This browser just keeps on moving from strength to strength! Thanks, Mozilla team!
Here's my little soapbox and I'm a "highly modded" poster so I get the whole plus 2 before I'm modded as a troll some more. Mozilla may be a very capable browser, but shaping the article to play more into the fact that it has better language support than IE and still holds 99% of the functionality of IE would be a better story than just announcing every release and a brief summary of the changelog. The last thing I would like to see is a list of mirrors for software, I don't like having to wait 3 days because the only place I know to get the software is the link that slashdot posted that is far out of date. While this doesn't apply to distros and software like mozilla, it does apply to projects not hosted on sourceforge or that have a lot of bandwidth to spare.
I am very pleased to see that Mozilla is doing what some seemed would never happen and that's to make a browser that is not only free, but open source, runs on more platforms than I can name, and to top it all off, is actively developed on. I couldn't be happier with the way mozilla is working out, my main beef is that if /. wants to post PR articles or PR announcements at least say why the project is slashdot worthy, and moreso why the project is a benifit to all of us.
I use mozilla all the time, you know why? Because no matter what computer I'm on, I can run it. That's what I like about mozilla. I don't care if it isn't as fast as IE in page rendering, or if it eats up a lot of memory, or if someone thinks opera is better. I like mozilla and I think slashdot is really doing them an injustice by explaining that a new version is out and not the benifits of the project itself.
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
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I'd do something interesting, but my server can't handle a slashdotting.
The infamous profile-trashing between versions bug is still present. Comments indicate that it has to be fixed before Mozilla 1.x goes out as Netscape, or Netscape won't coexist with itself.
I've been using Mozilla for a while now, both under linux and windows, and have been very impressed. 1.1 is even more impressive than 1.0, and some bug's that i've been having under linux are now fixed. Hooray to the Mozilla team, they're doing an excellent job.
"Use of Mozilla's "quicklaunch" (AKA "turbo") mode may cause the deletion of user preferences. It is recommended that you do not run quicklaunch until this bug is fixed."
Checking bugilla shows a patch in the queue, here's hoping it makes it to one of the nightly's.
Mozilla has become so much better than IE lately that there is never a need to switch back and forth. Thanks Mozilla team, keep up the great work!
Actually, I've had really good luck with Hebrew support in Linux, much more so than Windows. I don't visit all too many Hebrew sites, but it seems to me everything's been rendering fine for a while now. The spacing is a little dodgy, though, and that could be what was fixed. That'd be nice.
In case any of you are paticularly interested in seeing an example (even if ya can't read it), check out:
http://www.haaretz.co.il
Conversely, a good check of Arabic support is at:
http://www.wafa.pna.net/AraText/arabic.htm
I can see that using Moz 1.0rc1, some of that Arabic is _definitely_ not rendering correctly. I'm not a speaker of the language, but it's pretty obvious some stuff is being rendered incorrectly.
I linked both an Israeli web site and a Palestinian web site to keep accusations of political bias away. It seems there's always _someone_ who would complain if I just gave an Israeli website in both Arabic and Hebrew. Everyone happy?
-Erwos
Plausible conjecture should not be misrepresented as proof positive.
What's next, CrossTheStreams ? :-)
These guys sure loved Ghostbusters
Seriously, I run 'zilla 1.1a on all my machines... (linux router, home machine, all my work machines) What does 1.1b have to offer? Stability? Features? Hmmm..?
btw,
1) does anyone how I can unload plugins? Flash 5 is driving me up the wall.
2) where I can find benefical plugins (like the jre) that work?
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Mozilla.org gets a lot of duplicate bug reports: 40-50% of a sample of bugs from April 2002 are dups. If you know how to search Bugzilla, you can get that down to 15-20%. (Knowing some jargon helps too, of course.) Unfortunately, the most widely advertised Bugzilla search tool, the query builder, is so complicated that many testers give up before finding their bug and report a duplicate.
There's a well-hidden search box on the Bugzilla front page that works a lot like Google. You can almost use it like Google, but there are several differences you should be aware of:
Other useful tools for avoiding reporting duplicates include the frequently reported bugs list and #mozillazine on irc.mozilla.org. If you find yourself working in Bugzilla a lot, you can use the collect buglinks bookmarklet to get a list of bugs mentioned in a given bug report, which is useful because many bug reports include links to related bugs.
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This happens under Solaris too.
I think that it is a bug so it should go into the 1.0.x release, but I'm not sure that there will be one.
I hope that it will be fixed in the 1.1 release..
mozdev.org is the premier destination for those seeking Mozilla plug-ins, add-ons and enhancements. You can find all kinds of XUL projects, some made to work with Mozilla, some completely unrelated to Mozilla. Have a look, maybe a touch.
--Asa
First, let me assure you this is not a troll. I have been using Mozilla as my main browser for more than a year now, both under Linux and Windows. Nowadays it is my sole browser, and I open IE only when I need to test an application or check a page design.
Venkman may well become a good debugger one day, but the version that comes with Mozilla 1.0 is a little more than a toy, a nice menu entry to have under "Web Development". It is absolutely unusable under real world situations. And the traditional lack of real documentation only adds to it uselessness.
So, calling Venkman "the best" anything is just streching reality a little too far, even for people like me who gain their living mostly developing under/for/with Free Software.
Bookmarklets are bookmarks containing javascript code. Instead of taking you to another page, bookmarklets do things with/to the current page. Here are some bookmarklets for Mozilla that I have added since Mozilla 1.0:
"Fixing" annoying web sites:- Zap event handlers: removes event handlers, including those responsible for blind links and exit pop-up ads.
- Zap embeds: removes java, flash, background music, and iframes from a page.
- Zap colors: makes text black on a white background, and makes links blue and purple.
- Zap: combines "zap embeds", "zap colors", and "zap event handlers".
- Test styles: type in CSS rules to experiment or to create a temporary user style sheet.
Web development:- View Style Sheets
- View Scripts
- View Script Variables
Other:Several of these bookmarklets also work in IE 5.5, to the extent that IE supports DOM Level 2 and doesn't make me go too far out of my way to accommodate its quirks.
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I don't know what you're going on about. I run Mozilla in KDE, and I've had antialiasing for months now, well before 1.0 hit. Debian includes it as a standard install option, and it can easily be turned on and off, and it will run with any X environment, including Gnome and Windowmaker.
Basically, if you don't have antialiasing, it's either your own fault or that of your distro.
"I may not have morals, but I have standards."
When it is up and quick it is a great resource, although non-inviting from a UI point of view. That doesn't matter in the long run. Mozilla links to it, and it is often MIA.
Until it becomes consistently available, it is a poor showcase for Moz features.
I was fooling around with a fresh download of MSIE 5.2.1 on Mac OS X earlier today. The download was 7.2 MB compressed and I belive the final install took up a little over 11 MB. I didn't have time to see what the breakdown was. As I recall, version 5.1.5 for Mac OS 9 is a bit smaller, about a 5.5 MB download and 9 MB installed. Though 5.1 has fewer features and less help/readme fluff.
MSIE + Outlook Express for Solaris and HP/UX is well over 20 MB compressed (www.microsoft.com/unix).
It's hard to tell how much space MSIE takes up on Win32 given that it relies on libraries and bindings built into the OS and windowing system.
That said, I think mozilla's current size isn't too bad. I'd much rather see performance improvements, especially for older machines and the latest crop of tiny all-in-one machines. (Such as those VIA Mini-ITX boxes... WinChip-like performance, but really small/quiet/cool). RAM usage could use some trimming as well.
plugindoc.mozdev.org is what you want.
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They have a new version, available seperately or with the beta which purportedly is considerably more complete.
"Mozilla 1.0 comes with Venkman version 0.8.5. Venkman has made much progress since then with the 0.9.x series. If you are running Mozilla 1.0 and would like to upgrade to Venkman 0.9.x, please visit the development page. The revisions provided there are usually suitable as daily debuggers. If you do find a problem, please report a bug."
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/
I suggest you give it a try.
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
There is some fringing around the 'captured' butterfly and the hue shift to red made the eye area green, I should have pulled that area out of the selection. The purple underbelly is a little disturbing as well. Maybe I'll revisit this after I've had some sleep.
Mad props to the original poster who owns all copyrights and such.
Bleh!
I think Netscape shot itself in the foot when it released Netscape 6.0 w/o LDAP support. The clueless leaders haven't even heard of Mozilla, and they don't know LDAP support has returned, and that roaming profile support is in development. So now they are back in Microsoft's pocket, going to Outlook w/ Exchange to replace the LDAP features they think are missing in Netscape (Navigator?) 6.x. Yeah, they don't even realize it is just "Netscape" now, and should be called "Communicator" if anything else.
Now that MathML is in Mozilla, we're all waiting for SVG. Too bad it's not in the beta.
There is a SVG enabled build for Windows, but not for Linux )-;
DNA is the ultimate spaghetti code.
You werent at last weeks meeting? Theres been a change of plans.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
The idea is to only blur the curved edges of the font, such as the bottom part of a lower-case "t" and all of an "o" or "0". The problem is that doing so isn't easy and is easily screwed up. The native Windows font antialiasing, as well as the antialiasing on MacOS9 (and presumably MacOSX?) actually does this pretty darn well. Some of the best techniques for font rendering are patented by Adobe, which is one reason why fonts on Linux appear more blurry and more dull than fonts on Windows.
Gentoo Linux actually makes a small, well-known, but illegal modification to a font rendering library to improve things, but it still isn't perfect. It's a work in progress. (getting close though)
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
It's true that duplicate count can be useful in determining the relative visibility of bugs, but duplicate count would be just as useful with the rate of duplicates cut to a quarter of the present rate. Fifty dups means at least fifty searches for triagers (if they recognize the bug as a duplicate immediately), fifty times a QA contact has to read the dup to verify that it's a dup, and fifty bugmails to each person involved in the original bug. For some layout bugs, the QA contact might read through every dup of a layout bug after the bug is marked as fixed to make sure every dup is also fixed. Each duplicate creates work for multiple people who could be fixing bugs, testing fixes, and confirming non-duplicate bug reports.
Votes cause no spam and are easier to search for and count. Please use votes instead of reporting duplicates. On a bug with fewer than 10 comments, an "I see this too" comment might even be tolerated.
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Or if you're using a real OS :) check out this ticket. MAGNET, ed2k and FastTrack links within.
I would not call "Layout" fine-grained. In the core components (DOM, layout, style system) keeping up with the new bug flow is nearly impossible. Style system is the one I have the most experience with, and 50% of those are duplicates, while a further 40% are misunderstandings of the CSS spec... Leaving 90% of the time spent on those bugs (or about 4 hours a day each for a few people) basically wasted.
I want to take this opportunity to pimp the imho hottest invention since sliced bread : gesture based browsing. Ok, maybe not the hottest, but certainly the most surprising; when I first heard of this, it sounded like one of those typical academic nutty ideas that all look great on a whiteboard, but are just a pain IRL (Black and White, anyone ?). But after trying it out for a month, I can say it just seriously, totally, completely, ROCKS. In fact, it is so good that I find myself trying to use gestures for regular windows stuff. Especially stuff like Minimize and Back would be really good to have systemwide, so you can just sweep a file explorer away rather than go aiming for that little '_' button..
The gestures are also a big convenience when you extensively use tabbed browsing.
In short.. if, like me, you thought this was a totally useless pet project of some academic... you're wrong. Get it now.
Saving a file appends the mime type extension, all those nice larlar.tgz.gz's or larlar.tgz.txt's
The name mangeling problem
lar lar.tgz turns into lar%20lar.tgz
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Try http://candlesofthefuture.com/files/red-mozilla-li zard.jpg.
Bleh!
I'm currently running Mozilla 1.0 with XFT (Available here: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/experim ental/xft/Red_Hat_7x_RPMS/1.0/SRPMS/), and it is just excellent. The font smoothing provided by XFT makes Mozilla look just amazing. (if you've never seen it, there is a nice screenshot available here) So, here is my question:
Is there anyway to upgrade Mozilla while still keeping the XFT core?? I think even doing a rpm -Uvh will overwrite the XFT portion and give me a nice, new 1.1b with crumbly looking fonts again, which I don't want to do. If anyone has any idea on how I can do this, please let me know. Thanks!!
7 future suicide bombers were stopped today before they could kill more civilians.
Hmmmm.... Sounds like PreCrime from Minority Report.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
Otherwise you would know: there's not a single posting by some slashdot "editor" which does not have typing, spelling, grammar, syntax and/or even semantic errors.
Slashdot "editors" do not know about spellcheckers and never do proof-reading. They even don't read the articles they link to and put misleading titles, or don't read what the other "editors" published a few hours before, which result in duplicate postings.
Please don't flame me: I also happen to make errors when writing, but at least I don't call myself an "editor", and english is the 4th language I learned.
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not just Linux. on Windows 2000 Pro(sp2), Linux is extremely memory AND CPU hungry. even more memory hungry if you use the "quick start" function....which in all honesty, doesnt speed up the mozilla start process like it says it should.
I peronally dont mind the somewhat slower page rendering times, mainly because I love the tab features.
but for my gateway(router, ftp, apache, furthur s/ling) I'm still using IE5 as my browser(IE6 is horrible)
the history of the world
Anyone else curious why this is the first Mozilla release I've seen in awhile that didn't have a source tarball in the release directory somewhere?
Al Qaeda has ninjas!
the last thing you want to do is try to figure out why the hell you're KDE-enabled App won't run on a machine with only Gnome libraries
Wha? This isn't even a function of X! This has nothing to do with X at all. If you want to say X sucks - that's fine, provide some examples. But just spouting off shit makes you look like an idiot.
Regardless of whether you use X or Aqua or even WINDOWS you still have to have all the libraries installed for whatever app you want to run. Don't you remember the days of installing the visual basic runtimes in windows because some shareware app didn't work??
This is a universal problem with dynamically linked libraries, the only way to get around it is to hard link and that creates HUGE programs - which is not very conducive to the linux theory of "download everything" - and is very wasteful of hardrive space.
Next time you want to bash an established (and working!) standard - why don't you try to come up with some better examples.
Derek
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141279
Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
1.go to hotmail
2.choose create new account
3.
Actual Results: unable to sign up
Expected Results: message telling me to use netscape 4.0 or higher or IE
The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead.
I like the Mozilla Windows email client enough to use it day-to-day, despite its many problems. Except that it still has those damn memory leaks! I like to leave it running for the new-mail-notify feature, but after a couple hours it gets totally slugish-thrashy and has to be restarted. You'd think this problem would get a higher priority!
On Windows I try to always run Talkback builds so I can at least report crashes...
But on OS X there is no option to download a talkback build. Does anyone know why that would be?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You can get an open-source spellchecker at mozdev.org that works with some Mozilla releases but I'm not sure if they've updated it to work with 1.1beta.
Um, why should it need updating to work with 1.1beta? I thought the whole point of the 1.0 release was to freeze the API so that they work across all 1.x versions! If the spellchecker works with 1.0, shouldn't it work with 1.1beta, out of the box? (If not, then what was the point of the API freeze?)
Deven
"Simple things should be simple, and complex things should be possible." - Alan Kay
Since I don't have mod points, I'll just give you some counter-arguments.
Which version are you using? M1? If you open popups in new windows the right way (that is, target="_blank"), the links work perfectly. If you use JavaScript, Mozilla really has no way of knowing what the hell to do with the links (since you could pop up a window and then run some other code, which assumes that the old page is still open, which it wouldn't be if it's been replaced!). More JavaScript trickery that doesn't work in Mozilla. If you use sites like that, you frankly deserve them not to work. Define "properly integrated". What exactly is wrong with them? No, I "only" think it's good because it works, and does so very well. There are many Free browsers available; if Mozilla were nearly as poor as you seem to think it is, I would use something else. How superficial. Grow up. I'm having a hard time believing its load time is even close to "agonizingly long" on a dual G4 machine. Perhaps something is amiss with your operating system? (Hint: OS X sucks. Use Linux. Everything works much better that way. I know, I've used both on the same machine.)The only way the typical /.er can pick up a chick is with a forklift. -- AC
patience. tarball coming soon. it's always a little b it later than the binaries.
--Asa
I've been running Mozilla 1.0 under Windows 98SE, and although the system is rather stable under IE 6 and Opera 5, Mozilla 1.0 tends to crash alot. This is on a system with 256 megs of memory, 1.13Ghz Athlon Processor, and a 40 gig primary drive.
Other open source software (apache, the Gimp, OpenOffice) runs fine on the system, but Mozilla keeps crashing on 'simple' web pages, even when I'm browsing offline! Does anyone who use win32 and Moz 1.1Beta have some feedback on the stability?
than sufficient. It won't work in all cases, but I wanted to know if any other Mac users thought that the "Find in this page" dialog ought to be modeless...sure enough- there were at least two reports already. The search terms: "mac find". A little common sense here will go a long way toward helping the development team. I realize that this simplicity won't work in all cases, but it probably will work more than people realize.
I have some various problems with Mozilla, but for the most part I like it a lot better than IE. Unfortunately, the Mail and News part is either lacking basic functionality or is just plain buggy. Maybe these issues are already in bugzilla, or I'm just too stupid to figure out a simple feature.
Mail and News passwords:
I've never been able to log onto a news server with Mozilla. Supposedly it's supposed to ask you for a username/password when you create the news account, but what if it doesn't? There's no place in the account options to set one. With mail accounts, if you change the password on the account (by other means), Mozilla just chokes when you try and log on with the old one and gives you no option to provide the correct password. There's no "wrong password, please enter correct one" dialogue, it just doesn't do anything. The account options area has a spot for a username, but not one for a password. I guess I could delete the account from Mozilla and recreate it every time I change my password, but that's stupid. Outlook Express will prompt for the correct user/pass if you don't log on properly, is it too much to ask for Mozilla to do that?
Am I missing something very simple to solve these issues? I'd really appreciate some help if so.
I hope this still is read, but dies anybody know if it's possible to tweak the right-mouse-button-menu?
;)
I noticed that the options 'open in new tab' and 'open in new window' are switched, but I liked the 1.0 order (tab first) and I really want to undo the newer order.
No, no, no, I don't want to downgrade to the 1.0 version
Privacy is terrorism.
... back on v1.0. Cool, but it made Mozilla crash a lot. Many talkbacks submitted.
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Gestures got uninstalled in under two hours, after which Moz never crashed again.
Hope things work better in 1.1b
....this is one thing I haven't seen mentioned, and yet it's there. This is a godsend for those of us still cursed with narrowband.
There is such a pref. See all.js in the Mozilla installation, search for "middle".
You really showed me! Here a few points to clarify:
1. I'm using M1.
2. The fact remains that Mozilla doesn't handle the situation. If it doesn't work, tell me why. Don't just sit there and try to force a square peg into a round hole. Basic rule of HCI.
3. Properly integrated means that user profiles are not a kludgey modal dialogue box that appears at the start of each new session.
4. The preference panes suck. Just take the "Advanced" preferences, for instance. Under "Advanced" are a bunch of sub-items: Scripts, Caches, Proxies, etc. First of all, you need to click on the expansion arrow just to see these (mildly lame). Now, explain to me why enabling Javascript is under "Scripts and Windows" when there is a box in the "Advanced" pane that is titled "Enable features that help interpret web pages" for enabling Java. Wouldn't you expect to find these items on the same pane? Sure, there's some idiotic reason that they're not together, but that doesn't change the fact that they should be. There's about 1000 pixels of unused space on the "Advanced" pane that could be used to roll up other items that (arbitrarily) appear in the sub-panes. And what is the point of having sub-panes, when the parent pane has options, too. Why not make the parent empty and put the options in the sub-panes? It's not as if the parent pane options affect the options in the sub-pane. It's just plain dumb and counter-intuitive, which is what "function over form" people like you never understand. Mainly because your sole sense of indentity is based on the fact that you are able to interpret dumb counter-intuitive crap like the hierarchy of preference panes in Mozilla. Yay for you.
5. It is slow on OS X on a dual g4. It's slow on a P4 is W2k, too. It's slow to start up. And that splashscreen is embarassingly lame. Again, something you proudly identify yourself with. You probably wear Tevas and free convention t-shirts, too, so what's the point of me even bothering.