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DIY BMW Computer Chair

vortimax writes "Roger Arrick has put up a web page describing his quest to build the ultimate computer chair. It's based on the powered passenger seat from a late-model BMW. Add a power supply, a frame with a working surface, and you've got one unique computer workstation." Nothing like automated lumbar support while you're gam^H^H^H working. Just good luck getting the parts on your own ;)

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  1. Sweet! by sjgman9 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now if I can justify the cost for the darn thing, itll be perfect. The ultimate computing machine

  2. What, no fridge? by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Add a refridgeration unit in the base so I can store beer/soda/etc. and then we'll talk.

    I -hate- having to get up when I'm on a hot streak in Q3A, just to get more beer. Damn that beer! Give me a chair with a fridge!!

    1. Re:What, no fridge? by napa1m · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now if it just had a passenger seat, an engine, four wheels, a gas tank..

    2. Re:What, no fridge? by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah, I tried that. I drink my ale out of a fairly heavy glass tumbler. It broke the damn thing off! They just don't make things like they used to...

    3. Re:What, no fridge? by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

      LOL! No, I actually play it on my W2K box. I'm OS agnostic, not a religious zealot like many here. I have Linux boxes, Solaris boxen, and Windoze boxen. I find that Q3A runs better for me on W2K.

    4. Re:What, no fridge? by T3kno · · Score: 2

      Actually, my father in law's lazy boy has a fridge under the right arm rest. It's one of those fridges with a fan that sucks all of the air out of the compartment and somehow cools it. Keeps the Murphy's chilly. :)

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    5. Re:What, no fridge? by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

      Again I said LOL, because you make me laugh. I might be a little crazy, but not because I play Q3A. Now if I said I played Counterstrike, THEN I'd be lame.

    6. Re:What, no fridge? by sunhou · · Score: 2

      With all that beer in the chair, you'd also need to build a toilet into the thing (as seen on The Simpsons, I believe -- Homer invented it).

    7. Re:What, no fridge? by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

      You are just a cowardly troll. I'm probably older than you are! Of course, I am young at heart. Now go away, I think your mommy is calling you ;)

    8. Re:What, no fridge? by drudd · · Score: 2

      Ack! Tell me about it... my undergraduate astronomy program had the WORST wooden seats in its lecture halls (aka little tiny rooms)...

      So the prof put me to sleep, but I couldn't get comfortable because of the chairs!

      Thankfully that's over ;)

      Doug

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  3. seatbelts? by notanatheist · · Score: 5, Funny

    What about a seatbelt and airbag for racing games?

    1. Re:seatbelts? by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 2

      I always liked the idea of the jiffy pop air bag on snl.
      Crash and you get to eat popcorn! plus it saves your life (not that you just couldn't continue).

    2. Re:seatbelts? by passion · · Score: 2

      Awz - nice one.

      I'd love to have a seat like that with a manual shifter to use for racing games, or maybe a pilot's joystick as a mouse.

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  4. All it needs... by RatBastard · · Score: 2, Funny

    All it needs is an automated dashboard plug-n-suck and he'd be set for life.

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  5. ^H^H^H by coene · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can someone offer to fix CmdrTaco's TERM export? :)

    1. Re:^H^H^H by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      Ahh, but his TERM isn't broken. He isn't typing control-H, but the two characters ^ and H. It's a type of joke, based on the old BBS days when you could insert backspace characters in a message and when it printed out over a 2400 baud modem, you would be able to see it print the first message, then backspace and overwrite with the second message. There is no equivalent in todays modern graphical systems. Some of these Slashdot nerds^H^H^H^H^Heditors, however, will pretend that the trick somehow still works. The visual effect is lost, however.

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    2. Re:^H^H^H by Nugget · · Score: 2

      Whoever told you that the "old BBS days" involved 2400 baud modems should be shot. If it didn't involve an acoustic coupler, it's not worth talking about.

      In any event, recalibrate your sarcasm detector -- the original poster clearly knew the joke.

    3. Re:^H^H^H by Dynedain · · Score: 2

      actually....its still a bit more common than you might think.....

      If I telnet into my university, and start banging away, and start hitting backspace, I end up with the ^H^H^H^H......of course thats only at the command prompt. Everything works perfectly fine in editors and such, I just have to remember to use ctrl+backspace at the command line

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    4. Re:^H^H^H by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      Try "stty erase " then hit your backspace character, then enter. That should change your tty settings for that session. You can put that in your shell startup file (.login, .cshrc, .profile, .bash_profile, .bashrc, etc) if you want it to do it automatically for you. In vi, you'll probably have to type control-v in order to get it to ignore the next character. Use control-q (I think) in Emacs.

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    5. Re:^H^H^H by Thornae · · Score: 2

      This type of "Humor" predates the BBS or on-line comunity.
      In the publishing/authoring world often mistakes would be over typed with X and the correct word typed after or in the linespace.
      This was later used to make quips and replace them with more politicaly correct text, while letting the reader still read the more apropriate word.

      Of course, in HTML we have the good ol' strikethrough tag <del> (it used to be <strike> and its variant <s>, but they're deprecated in HTML 4.0). Not that it matters, since slashdot doesn't allow any of them in posts. Thus the use of ^H.
      The strike tag was incorporated into the HTML spec very early on - specifically, it seems, for this purpose.

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  6. Re: Why a BMW seat? by corey_lawson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe because it's powered, but you can buy a Recaro racing bucket seat as a desk chair as well. Maybe it's because he can (marginally) do it cheaper than $3500.

  7. that's not a computer chair... by Ack_OZ · · Score: 5, Funny

    THIS is a computer chair... :)

    1. Re:that's not a computer chair... by seanadams.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He should have interleaved the mouse pads so they hold together better. Arranged in separate columns like that, it looks like the whole side would fall over if you sat on it wrong.

    2. Re:that's not a computer chair... by zorander · · Score: 2, Funny

      so long as we're using car seats hows about this

  8. No airbag for BSOD? by sapped · · Score: 3, Funny

    Where's the airbag for the windows users in case of the good old Blue Screen 'o death!!?

    Talk about getting the priorities all wrong!

  9. Uh oh by gwernol · · Score: 4, Funny

    Roger Arrick has put up a web page... and Slashdot has taken it down again.

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  10. Ironic... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 2, Funny

    How I need one of those chairs to sit and wait for the slashdotting to end, so I can see the chair.

  11. Here is a chair too, by Marvel+Man · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is another computer chair. Interstingly enough, the computet has a BMW logo on it. Atleast, I think it is. I don't read Korean nor can tell for sure if it says "BMW"

    1. Re:Here is a chair too, by kwishot · · Score: 2

      Anyone else notice how there's an Intel Retail heatsink on that baby, even though it's most definitely an Athlon? That and it's using a 125w power supply. 125w+Athlon.... heh... at least everything is onboard (speaking of which, why build such an ultimate "gaming" machine and be stuck with GF2-MX graphics??).

  12. Grabbed a quick mirror by DearSlashdot · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://www.robotiq.com/bmwchair.html

    Please note, I pay like 7 bucks a month for this hosting, so be gentle...

    Ahhh forget it, I know you won't.

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    1. Re:Grabbed a quick mirror by ljaguar · · Score: 2

      Another mirror

      Brought to you in 2 seconds flat by the beutiful cooperation among Linux webserver, Samba, Windows XP, and Opera's "Save with images" feature.

      Life _is_ getting better.

  13. He's got it all wrong. by Max+the+Merciless · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you are going to have a chair like that you don't want to be cramped in a computer desk like you are disabled or something.

    A chair like that deserves a huge wall sized screen and voice activated controls.

    I'd place it in the middle of a room, take a seat and say things like:

    "main screen turn on" or
    "Make your time",
    "make it so",
    or even "Yes, we're gonna have to go right to.....ludicrous speed!"

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  14. Joke by Skyshadow · · Score: 3, Funny
    Q: What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?

    A: A porcupine has its pricks on the outside.

    Disclaimer: I live in the Silicon Valley and am therefore, by law, entitled to make fun of the assholes driving their beemers around in the far-left lane at 5 miles below the speed limit, changing lanes without signaling and generally acting as if they purchased soverign right to the roads along with their overpriced German-made Civics.

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    1. Re:Joke by ParadoXIII · · Score: 2

      Someone needs to show those pricks how the Germans truly intended their cars to be used.

      I figure an hour or two on the Autobahn should do the trick.

    2. Re:Joke by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      A Nissan Skyline GT-R is a pretty sweet Japanese car. Learn Japanese and click here.

      Most Japanese cars that make it to America are the shitty civics and sentras and accords. There are a few "low-end luxury" cars like the Lexus and Acura and Inifiniti cars, but very few of the really high performance Japanese cars arrive here (an exception being the overpriced, outdated Acura NSX).

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    3. Re:Joke by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      Yes, and a twin-turbo Skyline GT-R would kill either one of them.

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    4. Re:Joke by stuffman64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      hmm... I'm not sure what to say. While I agree that there tends to be a correlation between BMWs and dickheadedness, many people decide to purchase them because of thier superior build quality and performance and not because of thier status symbolism. Sure, it is easy to call them "overpriced German-made Civics," until you actually drive one for some period of time, you should withold judgement. Anybody who is a car enthusiast will tell you that a BMW offers a superior driving experience, even compared to similarly (high) priced competitiors. I do not own a bimmer (BMW motorcycles are beemers, the cars are bimmers), but when I can afford one, a 3-series will be tops on my list. Many people who view cars as simply a utilitarian device, are quite content in thier choice of automobile, whether it be a Honda or a Ford. And I can entirely understand thier view. But for someone like me who enjoys driving and demands the most from thier cars, BMWs are quite a good choice.

      Again, I'm not saying you are wrong, but perhaps maybe jumped to a stereotypical conclusion. Also, there is nothing wrong with going 5 under the speed limit, after all, it is a limit and not the speed that you must drive. I have no problem with slow drivers, as long as they don't provide a dangerous obstacle. Not using turn signals, however, is not good. I hate people who don't use turn signals.

      Disclaimer: I live in rural Pennsylvania, and am therefore, frequently forced to drive slowly behind horse-and-buggys, which are equipped with neither turn signals nor brake lights. They regularly drive well... 5 miles an hour and run red lights on occasion, as if they hand-built their soverign right to the road.

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    5. Re:Joke by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 2

      Depends which country you're in dude. Some of us drive on the left, with right lanes being the overtaking ones...

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  15. He is easily motivated apparently! by ArcadeNut · · Score: 2

    Since I spend 3+ hours a day on the computer working and playing

    Imagine what he would have built if he had spent 10+ hours a day at the computer!

    I know I spend a lot more time than 3+ hours a day at my computer (work and home).

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    1. Re:He is easily motivated apparently! by boomer_rehfield · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Imagine what he would have built if he had spent 10+ hours a day at the computer!"

      errr...nothing?

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  16. This is news? by Raetsel · · Score: 2

    Years ago -- and I mean something on the order of a decade -- I remember the famous racing-seat manufacturer Recaro offering an office chair. It was simply one of their less aggressive (read: touring instead of racing) seats attached to an office chair base. There was even a model that included power adjustments and bolted a small 12v battery to the frame.

    Now, all I can find is this sad example. ~$1000 for fabric upholstery, ~$1500 for leather... but that's just one site I found on a Google search.

    It's a shame the site is buried under the load, I'd like to see that chair. I've had the same idea for some time... I used to own a VW Corrado (which came with Recaro seats), and I often thought about mounting one of those on a swivel base for non-car use. That thing was comfy! However, looking at the prices for a new Recaro, I think I'll just search ebay for an Aeron.

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    1. Re:This is news? by einTier · · Score: 2

      Exoticar.com has several racing seat chairs, ranging in price from $795 to $1595. Do a search for "chair".

      Recaro chair
      Momo chair
      Carerra chair
      Generic bucket seat chair

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  17. Re:Very nice... by unicron · · Score: 3, Funny

    It won't squeek and wake your folks.

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  18. already built a better one myself by spd_rcr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    here
    composite seat, gas shock, aircraft cables, & the seating position stolen from my favorite lazyboy

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  19. Oh my. The poor dear. by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the article:

    Since I spend 3+ hours a day on the computer working and playing, I figured that it should be comfortable.

    If that's the formula, I should be sitting on Shakira's lap when I'm computing.

    --Blair

  20. choice of seat... by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Informative

    BMW installs fine seats in their automobiles... for firm support needed in performance driving. If I were to build a computer desk around an automobile seat, I would probably use something a bit more plush from a Lincoln, Cadillac, or Jaguar. Or better yet, get an overstuffed leather chair from a furniture store.

  21. I prefer the Snowchash chair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I prefer the Snowchash chair, which
    integrates the chair, computer, and controls in a more
    mototcycle-like geometry.

    Still, it's cheaper to sit in an Aeron.

  22. the ultimate computer desk... by green+pizza · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now this is what I consider to be a proper computer workstation...

    http://www.sara.nl/hpc.www/images/unite/unite.jpg

    Ok... so it's 1997 technology, but you get the idea.

    Plus it's cooler looking than SARA's current monster.

    1. Re:the ultimate computer desk... by tsangc · · Score: 2

      Looks like an Ikea Office Effektiv T series table...

      Calum

  23. Re:Oh my. The poor dear. by arnie_apesacrappin · · Score: 2
    [quote]
    If that's the formula, I should be sitting on Shakira's lap when I'm computing.
    [/quote]

    Wouldn't that be better the other way around?

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  24. Re:3 + hours? by KILNA · · Score: 5, Funny

    i spend 16+ hours.. and i sit on my floor..

    Playstation doesn't count. :)
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  25. Shameless Karma Whoring by Burning1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The previous comment reminded me of this joke:

    On the farm lived a chicken and a horse, who loved to play together.

    One day, the two were playing, when the horse fell into a bog and began to sink. Scared for his life, the horse whinnied for the chicken to get the farmer for help.

    Off the chicken ran, back to the farm.

    Arriving, he searched and searched for the farmer, but to no avail, for he had gone to town with the only tractor.

    Running around, the chicken spied the farmer's new Z3 series BMW.

    Finding the keys inside, the chicken sped off with a length of rope, hoping he had time to save his friends's life.

    Back at the bog, the horse was surprised, but happy to see the chicken arrive in the shiny beemer, and managed to get a hold of the loop of rope the chicken tossed to him.

    After tying the other end to the rear bumper of the farmer's car, the chicken then drove slowly forward, and with the aid of the powerful car, rescued the horse!

    The friendship between the two animals was cemented - best buddies, best pals.

    A few weeks later, the chicken fell into a mud pit, and soon, he too, began to sink and cried out to the horse to save his life!

    The horse thought a moment, walked over, and straddled the large puddle.

    Looking underneath, he told the chicken to grab his "thingie" and he would then lift him out of the pit. The chicken got a good grip, and the horse pulled him out, saving his life.

    Moral: When you're hung like a horse, you don't need a BMW to pick up chicks.

    1. Re:Shameless Karma Whoring by roman_mir · · Score: 2

      False logic. The chick was picking up a horse, not another chick with a BMW. Thus it may still be true that if you are hung like a horse you do not need BMW to pick up chicks but if you want to pick up a horse and hung like a pea-cock - get yourself a bimer :)

  26. Local Junkyard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unfortunatly, it looks like I may have more trouble finding the chair, I called the local junk yard, the guy answered, I explained that I was looking for a chair, he said "Let me guess, from a BMW for a project?" I was the third to call in 5 minutes, and he has none, any one else got good suggestions, on where to find them cheep?

  27. Three Plus Hours? by kuroth · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Since I spend 3+ hours a day on the computer working and playing..."

    Less than four hours in front of your computer per day and you need a fancy chair? When I was your age, we sat on rocks (hard, pointy ones) in seven feet of snow, for 32 hours a day (days were longer then, you know), and we were THANKFUL!

    What's up with the other 20 hours in your day? I certainly hope you're not out getting fresh air or talking to girls instead.

    Buckle down, slacker.

  28. What next? by Codex+The+Sloth · · Score: 2

    Once you get the fridge, you *know* that your going to be asking for a built-in urinal.

    And that won't be good for anyone...

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    1. Re:What next? by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 3

      Then you need the Stadium Pal

    2. Re:What next? by spudnic · · Score: 2

      Did you check out their sizing guide? For some reason that disturbed me. I had to switch to 1600x1200 before I felt better about myself.

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  29. Get yer own? No problem! by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2

    Try www.oem-car-parts.com and www.car-part.com.

    Incidentally, I used to have a special seating system set up in my school apartment for playing gran turismo (a game I excelled at until i moved in with my girlfriend and suddenly lost all time to play). It consisted of an old Chevrolet AstroVan seat (price: $6 at Gary's U-pull-it) screwed into a carpetted plywood board on lockable casters, two pedals and a suspended steering wheel. We'd roll it in front of the shitty RCA TV and take turns smoking the competition. Afterwards, it would roll back up against the wall, for easy storage of dirty dishes.

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  30. How to get one of those seats by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hello, Police?

    Somebody broke into my car. I'd only left it for a few minutes.

    Yeah, they smashed the window and took the seat.

    No, NOT the CD - the seat.

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  31. About this Seat by bmajik · · Score: 2

    I've owned 2 different BMWs and done moderate interior work on both of them. The seat he's pulled here looks like its from an E34 5 series (1989-1995). It might be from a similar vintage 7 series as well.

    Had he chosen a slightly earlier seat, mounting it would have been significantly easier, as the E12 and E28 5 series seats simply bolt to the floor of the vehicle with 4 17mm bolts.

    Incidentally, you can often get these seats _extremely_ cheaply at junkyards. I got an entire 1985 528e interior (non power seats, however) for $60 bucks at a junkyard.

    Also, the seats he has pictured are in no way high performance seats. they have the collapsable arm rest which makes them more like captains chairs. BMW sport seats have thick deep side bolsters that keep your body planted during high side loading conditions. These seats are from a comfortable touring car, not a racing machine.

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  32. seen it .. .kinda by zerOnIne · · Score: 2

    fed up with the standard office furniture, my dad made a couple of chairs like this ... except that since his desk is a standing-height drafting surface as well as a computer station, his two pilot-seats are each mounted on 4-foot pedestals with casters

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  33. You think that $hit's cool? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2

    Check out this computer in a BMW:

    http://www.vb.quik.com/jmciver/pages/computer.ht ml

  34. Cost, Comfort, and Powered Desktop! by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now if I can justify the cost for the darn thing, itll be perfect. The ultimate computing machine

    Hey, that seat is a really good idea. However, it disturbs me that the guy didn't go all out and make a powered top, so that it slides into position when you sit down. A couple of power window motors would do that job very nicely.

    Even better, those Lincolns with the seat memory don't have magic seats. All that's needed is appropriate software, and an interface to the computer.

    Imagine it: Sit down. Log in. Immediately, the computer adjusts the seat and desktop position. Heated seats could be employed, which would warm your tender buttocks on those days when the air conditioner is just set a notch too high. Do your work, log off. Instantly, the desktop rolls back and the seat reclines to a position where egress is easy.

    Save money, too. Why bother with a regulated supply to run DC motors? The computer to seat control electronics could run off the computer's power supply. A bunch of relays would control the seat motors, desktop and heater. If they're just DC motors, use a car battery charger - they're cheaper and provide lots more current.

    Jeez. I gotta build me one of these. I've got a set of leather bucket seats from a 1971 Chrysler Imperial kicking around my garage, just begging for a home.(Well, the back seat has already made an excellent sofa in the basement den.)

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  35. Re:BMW resale value by richie2000 · · Score: 2
    So if I'd have bought the BMW, I would be down $32k, if I had bought the Porsche, I would be down over $50k. Hm.

    That aside, I'd rather have an M5 anyday. :-)

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  36. He could have just bought this: by gorillasoft · · Score: 2
  37. Geek "speeling" and grammar by nedron · · Score: 2

    OK, I'll admit it. I'm not the best grammarian or speller, but has anyone noticed the glaring errors that always show up on geek prepared sites?

    Here's a good example from the BMW Chair site:

    "Misquitos were terrible in my garage on a hot Texas summer evening but progress prevailed and the whelps diminished over time."

    First, it's mosqito, not misqito. And I can only guess he meant "welt" (lump on the body) rather than whelp, which is generally a puppy. Unless his garage was in fact infested with puppies, in which case diminishing whelps might be a good thing. ;)

    And how progress can prevail over mosquitos is anyones guess.

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    1. Re:Geek "speeling" and grammar by nedron · · Score: 2

      Yep. I had inadvertently swapped the q and u, but never put the u back when I retyped it. And I was trying to be so careful.

      Doh!

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  38. Re:BMW resale value by SethJohnson · · Score: 2


    Please direct me to some valid published criticism of the 4WD 911s. I haven't seen any motorsports writer poo-poo the 911 C4.

    I will admit, though, that just because something isn't published doesn't mean the criticism isn't valid. Take for example the BMW F650 motorcycle. It's an abomination compared to all previous BMW bikes, but magazine writers will laude its maneuverability offroad, etc while totally ignoring the fact that it's a chick bike made by an Itallian company with the BMW emblem glued on.

    I have two reasons to recommend the C4. First is my own experience of having survived a 720 spin at 60 mph where the rear tires of my (2WD) 993 hydroplaned and spun the rear end of the car around while I was driving straight on a rainslicked highway. Second, and possibly the most laughable reason, is that in the video game Gran Turismo, when you are driving all the really powerful cars like the Viper, etc. rear-wheel spin becomes a big issue when starting from a stop or accelerating through a turn.
  39. Re:Oh my. The poor dear. by blair1q · · Score: 2

    Her hands are free.

    And then they aren't.

    And then they are.

    And then they aren't...