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Crossover Gets Quicken
Jeremy White writes: "involved with the Wine project 4 years ago, a major personal goal
for me was to switch my wife's computer to Linux. But there was
a simple caveat: "No Quicken, No Linux." As of today,
CrossOver Office now supports Quicken (and my wife was
beta tester #1 *grin*). The new version, 1.2.0, also supports
Visio and fixes a raft of bugs. The press release is
at Codeweavers
and a review can be found
here.
" I've got a similar situation - been running Quicken for the last ten years, and have only one data section lost, so this is pretty darn cool. And it freakin' works.
isn't it funny that the CEO of Codeweavers has to submit the post to slashdot rather than waiting for fans to do it?... advertising!
The first link is broken.....
CodeWeavers.com
"Use the Preview Button! Check those URLs! Don't forget the http://!"
Oh so interesting topic - yet so many broken links! Heellllppp!!
Codeweavers Press Release
Don't know about the rest though.
Why not give Kapital, put out by The Kompany, a try? Kapital is essentially a klone (pun intended) of Quicken for Linux. From what I read on their site, it has most of the features of Quicken, but no automatic online bank dowloads.
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I bought this when 1.0 came out and upgraded to 1.1. Under 1.1 it was much improved but the reality is if I need to run MS Office applications under Linux, I'll do it in VMWare. I'm sure the 1.2 is improved and it is certainly cheaper then VMWare but I don't think it could be used effectively in a production environment by normal business users.
I used Crossover Office exclusively as an Outlook Client and Internet Explorer for about 2 months. GUI bugs and other little problems drove me nuts in OUTLOOK, but it was good enough. IE worked fairly well, allowing me to do my online banking, but that was about it. Flash and Media Player 6.4 did work within it, but it seemed to crash just as frequently as it did on Windows =/.
. . . for the review by DesktopLinux.com of CrossOver Office 1.2: Quicken and QuickBooks and Visio, oh my! (on Linux, that is). In the article, DesktopLinux.com founder and executive editor Rick Lehrbaum previews a beta version of CodeWeavers CrossOver Office 1.2, which now supports Quicken and Visio (among other enhancements). Lehrbaum also interviews CodeWeavers CEO Jeremy White, to learn more about what else is coming, and what it takes for new apps to be added to CrossOver Office's support.
I use ie 6 daily with crossover. I havn't had a problem with the last release of crossover.
Stupid things kids do.
Scheduled Transactions are in CVS now, and could use some Feedback; they'll definitely be in 1.8, which we are hoping to get out in a couple/few months.
:)
The more forward-looking stuff I hope to add for 2.0, which is quite a ways off. If you're interested in jumping in and getting something basic [like a report which would contain some of the functionality] done for 1.8, please do so.
The patches will start rolling in next week as we merge our tree with the WineHQ tree.
We only keep Wine patches out while we're stabilizing a version of CrossOver.
Cheers,
Jeremy
I vote GnuCash. Seriously. All of the pretty graphs and predictions built into Quicken are great, but it is all absolutely useless when the data entry tools are borked. GnuCash uses a double entry system, which is far more sane than any single entry system I've every seen. (More resistant to typos as well.) And I can't believe that Quicken STILL doesn't have any way to tell you what your CLEARED balance is in your checking accounts. GnuCash has had this ever since I can remember, but I'll be damned if I can find a way to look at it in Quicken. Sure, the column is there, but other than the satisfaction of seeing a little "c" in the column for every transaction, I see no use for it in Quicken. My wife and I each keep track of our own accounts, and I'm consistantly able to tell you down to the penny how much money I have. And she is consistantly able to screw up her registers in Quicken because she can't see what her cleared balance is when she's comparing between Quicken and her online statements.
Like I said, GnuCash has the cleared balance neatly displayed at the top of the register at all times. It makes keeping your bank register and your finance software in sync much easier. But hey, I (and my wife) may just be unable to use Quicken properly. Which I must admit is odd, considering how easy GnuCash is for me to use on a daily basis. Plus, the learning curve was basically nil. I was up and running full time in less than 4 hours, and I have almost no experience tracking my finances this closely. (I used to just make sure I had a few thousand bucks in my account at all times, and then I could be pretty sure I wasn't going to over withdraw it.)
Kudos to the GnuCash team. My only complaint is that I can't download generic precompiled binaries off their website that will run on nearly all linux distros. But then again, that's not entirely their fault, considering how fucked up Linux gets in the cross distro compatibility area...
Anyhow, long story short.
By my vote: GnuCash == good. Quicken == garbage.
Although I hate microsoft as much as anyone else (I use it as my main OS because VMWare refused to work, no matter what I tried, and I need IE working for web development, sad, but true), I can't say that DirectX now is all that bad. I personally find it much, much more difficult to code for than OpenGL, but the way it leads standards does seem (to me at least) to benefit everyone. I don't see standardized 3D Positional audio under linux. Until OGL 1.4 there weren't even standardized Pixel/Vertex shaders, were there? Yeah, Direct3D has different versions of them, but code for one and it will work on all cards claiming to support that version of DirectX. DX9 requires all floating point pipelines, etc. Which makes things look better. Yeah, maybe hardware vendors would eventually have done this on their own, but I don't see OpenGL leading them to do it NOW and not later.
:) Comments welcome, but this is how I personally see the situation.
DirectX is a horrible API, especially to program for, and definitely for cross-platform, but it at least gets new technology "standardized" quicker. That being said, I code only OpenGL, I like the portability
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i used quicken for about 5 or 6 years and then i decided to make everything linux, so i had to switch to gnucash. i think gnucash is more true to real accounting pricipals than quicken is (it uses the double entry method). all of my quicken data converted over seamlessly and worked great. for most things i like gnucash better, and i suggest if you're going to start, to start with gnucash, the double entry accounting works better if you start that way rather than converting after you get used to quicken's way of doing things. the only thing that i like quicken for better is some of the reports. different graphs and reports are easier to make with quicken, but it looks like gnucash is getting better there. another thing that gnucash lacks is automatic calculation of amortizations. when i had quicken all i had to do was click a button every month to update my mortgage, with gnucash i have to type it in each month. overall i suggest you go with gnucash. did i mention the open xml data format too?
- IE would not always start under Linux, whereas all the other office programs always worked fine (with a few minor bugs). I never figured out why IE would sometimes just refuse to run.
- IE doesn't come with all the neccessary components and I could never work out how to install them afterwards. This means, if your web page requires Asian fonts or non-standard plugins, then there really isn't too much you can do.
Apart from these restrictions (which might very well be fixed with the new release of CrossOver), I have successfully tested my web pages using IE on Linux.I never had the need to run multiple instances of IE at the same time, but you can do so pretty easily under Linux. If I had to do this, I'd probably just use multiple instances of User Mode Linux, because it gives full guaranteed isolation and it is pretty straight forward to set up for this purpose. If you don't quite need this much isolation, then there probably is some way you can make CrossOver run multiple instances of Wine (possibly by using some "chroot()" tricks).
Sorry, I must butt in here. I've been using quicken for about 4 years now, and has work rather well for me.
Yes, you hit my one nerve: no quick way to see the cleared balance via the register page. HOWEVER, if you use an online service linked to quicken (I have the quicken option for Wells Fargo), you can see your cleared balance in the Online Center screen. The point is moot for me, though, because I basically treat each payment as if it were collected immediately. That cash is GONE from my checking account the moment I write that check. The result is I never go into the red, and don't have to worry about it.
Which brings me to the next item: bank integration. I don't forsee an open standard for online banking transactions anytime in the near future. It sucks, but it's the truth for now. In the mean time, quicken's integration with my bank for checking and saving (and investing once Wells Fargo gets off its ass) is a godsend. Makes personal finance about a million times easier when you have automatic reconciliation against the online register. Well worth the $7/mo.
Also, bill pay. Yes, I know every web site under the sun offers bill pay these days, but it's so convienent to automatically send the request to pay Capital One the balance of whatever's in my Capital One account this month, on a certain date. And the fact that it's all in one place is convienent.
My car loan. It's nice to see a chart of my car's equity from the loan payments vs. current value. Also I can see exactly how much out of my monthly $400 payment goes toward interest (at that point I break down and cry, maybe it's not such a good feature).
Basically, it fits my needs. I like it, A LOT. You may not, great. Continue to use GnuCash. Each person has different needs.
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However, the odds are that an untested application like Peachtree will have enough bugs to not be useable in a production environment.
Of course, a great way to fix that is to buy a copy and then yell at us until we support it .
Cheers,
Jeremy
It's not perfect, and does need feedback, but it is there. Standard bank and credit card account are supported. Investement accounts will be when LibOFX (http://step.polymtl.ca/~bock/libofx/) matures. As for bill pay, unless banks start giving TRUE OFX access at large, that is still a long way off.
I have the codeweavers bundle (office & plugin) and winex and finally straight wine. They all work fine together. Winex is running Grand Theft Auto 3. I run MS Office 2000 & ie 5.0 (never use it!) in crossover office. I use all the plugins & trillian with crossover plugin. And I run several small windows apps & games like spider solitare in straight wine (they run better in plain wine). I really prefer linux apps and really only run windows apps that aren't available for linux or are far superior to the Open Source version. Grand Theft Auto 3 actually renders better in linux, I only have a 32M TNT2 it doesn't render GTA3 very well in windows. But linux is just fine. Most of the other apps are for my family. I do use MS Office though, I've been using OpenOffice / StarOffice for years but it really doesn't compare to MS Office which runs perfect in Linux. The only thing left for me and alot of people would be turbo tax. You can't get open source tax software. The laws change too quickly and there are serious accountability issues.
You are an annoying zealot. Die.
To blockquote the parent:
Don't remove the registry keys, change them to run from a drive that doesn't exist on your system, or change the extension to "c:\quickenw\foobar.dll.donotrun" or something.
You can also get something like the tiny little fireall, and block access based on PID information.
Karma: Food Fight (Mostly affected by Date Plate).
For the features most people need in PageMaker, that is to say simple layout and no need to re-use old files, I've been using Scribus for a while. It has an astonishing pace of development and is eminently usable.
In terms of panoramic photo stiching, I'm sure there's plenty of software, but I can't reccomend anything.
I've done a lot of digital video editing, and I'd say that AfterEffects isn't bad as a compositor, and Premiere is pretty damn good for video editing. Both are partially replaced by Cinerella
Dreamweaver, Flash 5, and Illustrator seem to me to be the killer apps. Most people's pirate copies of photoshop see less use than PaintShopPro. The GIMP beats PSP. I just wish the GIMP had better support for print output -- like CMYK color. Development seems to be halted, with text output broken in the development version.
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I have been using Quickbooks 6.0 on crossover for a couple of weeks, it works fine.
In fact it works almost perfectly without crossover on CVS wine, the only problem is not being able to print, the print dialog won't come up (no small problem for this kind of sw). Crossover supplies the print dialog and the whole thing hangs together excellently.
Well, this is the Marimba updater . That is supposed to work like the new Microsoft Automatic Update stuff. This is one of those very good idea that turns out very bad when someone hacks in it and leave some trojans...
Look at this site:
d load &name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=4& page=1
http://www.franksworld.net/wine/
On the right half you see "Dreamweaver 4", "Dreamweaver MX" etc.
For example, Dreamweaver 4:
http://franksworld.net/wine/modules.php?op=mo
Yeah. Let them give out broken code and let more people work on it. That is why people like to release stuff as open source in the first place.
Transgaming are evil. When a Debian developer wanted to package Winex (as he was entitled to under the license), Transgaming informed him that they would change the license to specifically change the license.
You can argue that Winex is good for your gaming needs on Linux, but don't EVER say that Transgaimng is good for the community.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
Vanilla Wine would have enabled people to play their favourite Windows-only game on their favourite OS, IF Transgaming hadn't said to them "don't bother coding any DirectX stuff as we are working on it and we will let you have ours".
This manoeuvre, carried out well over a year ago, effectively killed Vanilla Wine's ability to run games and left Transgaming in the position where they could extort their $60 a year.
There are plenty of examples of how to make money with Linux, without having to sabotage other projects in order to do so.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
Dreamwever 4 works on WINE!!
o p=modload &name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=4& page=1
check
http://franksworld.net/wine/modules.php?
GnuCash is great with one major horrible problem..
Almost noone can install it without spending nights fighting with it's need for bleeding edge libs. The developers are not interested in anyone using their software that is not a programmer... Otherwise they would offer a statically linked version for download that eliminates the needs for bizzare and pre-pre alpha libs.
I reccomend to all my newbie-linux users and anyone else to stay away from GnuCash until the developers start desiring that people use it by releasing something that is installable (again statically linked) This has been asked in their mailing lists before and they basically flamed the people hard that asked.
GnuCash is a nice project that hopefully someday will actually become useable to the regular user.. until then... stay away from it.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
http://www.intuit.com/support/quicken/2000/win/193 5.html