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Sprint PCS Launches 3G Network

pdp1144 writes "Sprint PCS launched the first nationwide 3G wireless network today. Code named Vision it will allow wireless data speeds starting at an average of 50 to 70 kbps." The question is, how much? If the data plan is such that you can use up a month's allotment in five minutes of downloading... Simson Garfinkel had a good column on this recently.

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  1. Woot! by SpanishInquisition · · Score: 2, Funny

    At last I can watch porn wherever I go!

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  2. AT&T rolled this out 2.5 weeks ago by Zelet · · Score: 3, Informative

    it is called M-mode...

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    1. Re:AT&T rolled this out 2.5 weeks ago by gambit3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh... not really. What AT&T rolled out was GPRS, which is 2.5 G, not 3G.

      And before the flames arrive about what is 2G and what is 3G, that my granpa heard this columnist say it wasn't really 3G, and all that junk, there is an Industry Partnership that determines what consitutes 3G, and they determined a while back that 1XRTT (What Sprint is deploying) IS 3G.

    2. Re:AT&T rolled this out 2.5 weeks ago by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3
      "And before the flames arrive about what is 2G and what is 3G, that my granpa heard this columnist say it wasn't really 3G, and all that junk, there is an Industry Partnership [3gpp.org] that determines what consitutes 3G, and they determined a while back that 1XRTT (What Sprint is deploying) IS 3G."

      Interesting, I have read that this 1xRTT service that sprint is deploying is the first step on the upgrade path to 3G. Maybe there are different definitions depending on the country or something. I've got this on my mobile phone right now and the voice quality is pretty amazing when the other person is on a landline. (I haven't phoned anyone else yet with a mobile that supports it.)

    3. Re:AT&T rolled this out 2.5 weeks ago by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 2

      Yeah, and what about their slew of ads during the superbowl last year to get a "m-life".

      What a crock of shit. A m-life apparently means to rack up minutes on a cellphone chatting about nonesense.

    4. Re:AT&T rolled this out 2.5 weeks ago by Unstrung · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmmm The ITU calls the CDMA2000 1xRTT spec "3G", but it doesn't meet the ITU's own requirements (2 mbit/s data transfer rates) for the third generation technology! It certainly doesn't meet the service availability and roaming requirements I'd lump 1xRTT in with GPRS as a stop-gap technology (2.5G) between true 3G systems like W-CDMA/UMTS and CDMA2000 EV-DO.

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  3. true 3G or pseudo? by AssFace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    last I heard, any and all current US implementations of a "3G" system were only pseudo-3G in that they don't offer the full system capabilities.
    What they offer is still way faster than any other wireless phone out there, but not the true 3G offering - I didn't read the article or look into this further, but were Sprint truly the first one out, that would be a big surprise.

    I can recall msnbc talking about this recently and I *think* they also said that it wasn't full 3G

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    1. Re:true 3G or pseudo? by Durrik · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sprint uses CDMA the last I heard. And no-one is deploying CDMA in a 3xRTT solution right now which was considered true 3G.

      Also from my understanding Qualcomm, currently the major/only producer of 3G CDMA chips, is releasing their Rev A chip later this year. So I assume Sprint is using Rev 0 which isn't 3G.

      IS-2000 (or CDMA 2000 depending on which marketers you talk to) was set up in phases. Initially Rev 0 and Rev A. Rev 0 was a stepping stone from IS-95B (which is only used in Korea), to 3G. Rev A was suppose to be the full 3G solution.

      A few years ago 1xRTT (which Sprint uses) was called 2.5 G. But then came the nice licensing auction in Europe which nearly bankrupted the carriers there for W-CDMA licenses. W-CDMA and 3xRTT require nearly the same licensing because of how much bandwidth they use. 3xRTT uses slightly bit less, but still 3 times more the 1xRTT. 1xRTT can use the same licenses that the carriers in North America and Asia currently have for IS-95. The carriers in North America and Asia mostly scraped plans on going to 3xRTT after the European auction, but the didn't want their systems to be called 2.5G, thus 1xRTT is now called 3G.

      So depending on who you talk to Sprint has (or has not) a true 3G system.

      I don't think we'll see true 3G anywhere in the world for at least 5 years. W-CDMA which is the competitor to CDMA2000 is still having some technical issues to handle. GPRS is 2.5 G though alot of people call it 3G, its a stepping stone to true 3G.

      FWIR 3G is suppose to have 2+ Mbps transfers for stationary wireless stations, and improvements in bandwiths for walking and driving speeds, though I don't remember the numbers. Improved battery time (WCDMA stations haven't fufilled this with stand by times of ~50 hours), and better capacity.

      CDMA-2000 1xRTT fufills all these requirements appart from the bandwidth. Rev 0 of CDMA-2000 only allows a maximum of 153 kbps, and Rev A allows 307 kbps. New inititives for 1xRTT do allow for improved bandwidth. They tried 1xEVDO for the world cup, but from what I heard they couldn't pull it off properly and it still needs some work. 1xEVDO is suppose to offer 2.4 Mbps.

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    2. Re:true 3G or pseudo? by gambit3 · · Score: 3, Informative

      1. It IS true 3G, according to The 3G Partnership Project. If I recall correctly, the System had to offer speeds of 144K minimum to qualify, and the Sprint System does that, at least in theory.

      2. Sprint is not the first one. Not even in the U.S. 3G has already been deployed in Japan and in Korea. In the U.S., Verizon has been offering it since the beggining of '02. What Sprint has done is be the first to offer it NATIONWIDE (meaning, wherever Sprint offers service), whereas Verizon offers it only in select markets, and it's slowly being rolled out nationwide.

      3. There is no surprise. Even a full year ago, Sprint kept saying that they would roll out 3G in the Fourth Quarter of '01, which we in the industry [full disclosure: yes, I work in the telecom industry, but no, I have no dealings/stock/insider information/business with Sprint other than using them as my mobile phone provider.] thought was bull, and sure enough, they delayed it first to July 4th, when they were supposed to have a big promotional tie in with MIB2, but in June they postponed even that date and just said they'd go live somewhere in the "summer of '02".

    3. Re:true 3G or pseudo? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
      "last I heard, any and all current US implementations of a "3G" system were only pseudo-3G in that they don't offer the full system capabilities."

      Supposeldy 'true' 3G offers 384 kbit/s downstream, while what Sprint is deploying (1xRTT) is part of the upgrade path to 3G an peaks at 144kbit, averaging 50-60kbit.

    4. Re:true 3G or pseudo? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
      "The carriers in North America and Asia mostly scraped plans on going to 3xRTT after the European auction, but the didn't want their systems to be called 2.5G, thus 1xRTT is now called 3G."

      So my north american mobile phone (Telus mobility in Canada) has a sticker that says Qualcomm 3G CDMA on it and the service is advertised as 1xRTT. You're saying that this was renamed to 3G because they couldn't pull of the 'true' 3G for various reasons?

    5. Re:true 3G or pseudo? by ZxCv · · Score: 2

      Supposeldy 'true' 3G offers 384 kbit/s downstream...

      No, true 3G only requires 144kbit/s, according to the industry body that decides what is and what isn't 3G, 3GPP.

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    6. Re:true 3G or pseudo? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2

      I remember a slashdot article from ~1 year ago that touted 384 kbit/s in Tokyo. Supposedly the standard was redefined so that 3G means different things depending on where you are. My cellphone does do 144kbit and the sticker on it says 3G CDMA.

    7. Re:true 3G or pseudo? by pmancini · · Score: 2

      The problem Verizon faces is the Forklift Problem.

      Sprint has had to upgrade a lot of software. So did Verizon. However Sprint didn't have to create a whole new network. Verizon needed forklifts to move all the required new hardware.

      Verizon is in 10 cities because that is all they could upgrade reliably in the time they had to beat Sprint to market. Sprint has a major advantage in being nationwide and I believe a lot of businesses will recognize that.

      Also Sprint has an advantage with CDMA. Bandwidth usage. CDMA2000 uses 1.25MHz of spectrum for 3G tech. GSM, however for example, needs 5MHz! Have you seen the prices the FCC charges in the US for Spectrum?

      The bandwidth glut, high prices, immature technology, inadequate implementation of the Telecom Act and the anemic capital markets have all been cited as the culprits for the recent demise of the telecom market. What we rarely hear about, however, are service providers' sub-par services to their customers. The market will be determined by quality of service I believe as much as by coverage. My hope is that Sprint can offer high quality service and make 3G technology available to everyone.

      --P

  4. Nothing really new year but, by MarvinMouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The states is finally catching up with Europe's telecoms... After many years of "waffling" on 2.5G and 2G. Even now, they aren't anywhere near Europe, but they are getting closer. What they really need now is the FCC to give them some more bandwidth to work with (take it away from the media conglomerates).

    I say this takes another 3-5 years before it is as enmeshed as Europe's as well, and even then, Europe will still be heads and shoulders ahead.

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    1. Re:Nothing really new year but, by Zarhan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Finally catching up? In a way perhaps, but surpassing as well. Thank god for American capitalism and competition, even if it fragmented the market for a little while. CDMA technology is much better than GSM(w/TDMA), so Sprint should do very well with their nation wide network while all the GSM carriers around the world have to completely retrofit their systems for WCDMA 3/4G.

      Actually, no need to do a "complete retrofit". Or, any more retrofitting than Sprint has to do.

      When doing the transition from GSM to GPRS, you need a new core network (SGSN, GGSN, et al), to process packet data. This is rather reasonable. There is no need to do any refitting on the radio interfaces, except a Packet Unit to each base station controller.

      The next upgrade comes when 3G comes, that is, UMTS in Europe. Now there is no need to refit the core - SGSN and GGSN are the same as before (well, they need a software upgrade, but that is about it). The radio interface of course needs upgrading, but the same upgrades are necessary when transitioning from CDMA -> WCDMA.

      At the moment, it is more of a marketing and business decision than anything else. The technology is there, there is just no market for it yet (GPRS seems to be enough for everybody for now). The upgrades would be relatively cheap.

      The actual model that we'll see in Europe will be a mixture of UMTS and GPRS networks. UMTS will cover cities and population centres. Your phone will sign up to UMTS network and do a hard handover to GPRS network when you go to rural areas - only thing you notice is that data transfer speed goes down. There is no need to set up UMTS network everywhere. I would imagine this is also the thing with Sprint's network...

      In the future, it may even be possible that WLAN techniques will be used as a possible access medium. UMTS standard is pretty free on what the access technology is - in revision 5 there are actually such possibilities as xDSL(!) listed. Wired access to a wireless network core - probably simplifies things for operators that act both as ISPs and mobile network providers.

      Just my two (euro)cents...

    2. Re:Nothing really new year but, by Zarhan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most carriers who use CDMA now won't go to W-CDMA, they'll go to CDMA-2000 which is a different standard from W-CDMA.

      I think you are correct on this one. The terminology is rather confusing. Only real constant seems to me "IMT-2000" which in general means all the upcoming wideband CDMA technologies (cdma2000, UMTS, and the one the Japanese have). Even the term "3G" is no longer constant (some folks in the US refer to GPRS networks as "3G", in europe it is "2.5". I have actually heard the term "11.5G" (comes from GSM + GPRS + UMTS + WLAN, 2+2.5+3+4 = 11.5 - some visionaries are really into hyping the WLAN approach...))

      I did actually mean to say that as "CDMA -> CDMA2000" and not WCDMA, but...see above :)

    3. Re:Nothing really new year but, by macpeep · · Score: 2

      How about the Nokia 7650, which IS out now. It has a color screen, Symbian OS, Java, MIDI, GPRS, Bluetooth, a fast CPU, lots of RAM, and a digital camera.

    4. Re:Nothing really new year but, by Zarhan · · Score: 2

      Similar change in chosen modulation may eventually be done with GPRS (GMSK -> 8-PSK) when transitioning to EDGE.

      Anyway, I was under the impression that there are more modifications than simply changing to a bigger symbol constellation, such as different spectrum (higher frequencies and wider bandwidth, ie. 1,23MHz -> 5 MHz).

      Regardless, there still has to be new equipment in the radio interface, and completely new base stations, too. Even if the frequencies are not higher (resulting in smaller cells), changing the increasing the number of bits per symbol requires higher S/N (or in the case of CDMA, Eb/N0).

  5. At $1 to 2$ MB transfer.... by stox · · Score: 2

    some folks sure are going to get a shocking bill next month.

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    "To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
    1. Re:At $1 to 2$ MB transfer.... by RoundSparrow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed, the prices stink.

      Verizon may not have as much coverage yet, but their Express Network 3G data service has a $99/month unlimited usage (day and night) plan.

      Sprint wants $120 for 120MB, with $1/MB overage. Those rates STINK!

      Maybe on a PDA you can do likttle 1MB downloads, but what is the point? The 14.4 service is almost as fast for your slow little Palm Pilot.

      Sprint really needs to reconsider the pricing. There are millions of geeks with laptops looking for wireless (like Richochet) used to have, but not at these prices.

      The major SNAFU is that there is no off-peak pricing. I bet most geeks would go for a "weekend and night unlimited plan" for $70/month.

      And I firmly believe that Verizon isn't giving it away at $99/month... I mean just how much are you going to use it? Verizon has been giving away unlimited voice + 14.4 data night+weekends for $5 a month... as they realized that with "Unlimited" there is only so much you are going to use it.

      Sprint had a chance, so far, they have blown it.

    2. Re:At $1 to 2$ MB transfer.... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
      Or CAD$50 (~US$32) for unlimited in Canada.

      The only catch is that they reserve the right to limit you to 100 mb ... so they have already thought about bandwidth demons using it to get onto kazaa.

    3. Re:At $1 to 2$ MB transfer.... by afidel · · Score: 2

      except it looks like Verizon is doing what every other "unlimited" ISP is doing.
      Express Network Unlimited Service and Calling Plans cannot be used with server devices or with host computer applications. Examples of such prohibited uses include, without limitation, web camera posts or broadcasts, continuous jpeg file transfers, automatic data feeds, telemetry applications, automated functions or any other machine-to-machine applications.
      WTF is that last part about, they just described any networking session!

      Also here is a nice kicker that would only exist in telecom contracts We reserve right to deny or terminate service, without notice
      Without notice, great so I can't even shop for an alternate isp, I'm just dumped on the ground.

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  6. Related Story: MobilePro Targets 3G Market by randomErr · · Score: 3, Informative

    In a releated story from dc.internet.com:

    Mobilepro Corp., with its subsidiary, Neoreach, Inc., a developer of semiconductor chips for third generation (3G) wireless communication services, has signed a memorandum of understanding with the RF Microelectronics Lab (RFIC) at the Information and Communications University in South Korea to co-develop a new semiconductor chip.

    Under the agreement, engineering teams from Neoreach and RFIC will devote joint research and design expertise, staffing, facilities resources, project management, and testing for the development of an RF CMOS, a radio frequency chipset.

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  7. Re:FIRST POST by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    Don't you just love a news site where a PMSing editor can delay a story by a week? :-p

  8. What makes this 3G? by uradu · · Score: 2

    The bandwidth is nowhere near broadband, more like GPRS, which I believe is still considered 2.5G. And GPRS has been around for quite a while, especially overseas.

  9. Re:bah. by The+Asmodeus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Doesn't Sprint and Verizon have an agreement allowing cross-usage of their cell towers?

    I know I have Sprint and I get better coverage across the nation than the people with me that have AT&T or Cingular.

  10. Info on Pricing and Devices by zookie · · Score: 4, Informative
    This press release has much more information on pricing and devices than the one in the original article. Regarding pricing:

    PCS Free & Clear with Vision - Initially ranging in price from $44. 99 to $119.99, PCS Free & Clear with Vision plans will include megabytes for data usage along with varying amounts of voice minutes, depending on the individual plan. For a limited time, Sprint will offer special introductory rate plans that provide more Anytime Minutes than standard Free & Clear plans; allow customers to share minutes with another PCS phone for no additional charge and each phone will have two megabytes of data to use. An example of the introductory PCS Free & Clear with Vision plans include the $89.99 per month plan that features 2,000 Anytime Minutes that can be used by an individual or shared between two people.

    If I recall correctly, 2000 anytime minutes right now is $149, so this could be a good initial deal! There's other pricing for laptops.

    -DJ

  11. Nationwide... specify please... by Uttles · · Score: 2

    Nationwide as in: accessible anywhere in the nation or is it Nationwide as in: there are spots of coverage dispersed throughout the country.

    I have Sprint PCS Mobile service and I'm often dissapointed at the lack of digital coverage in many places that aren't right next to an interstate. Nationwide calling area is nice, but first you have to be on the network, and if you travel anywhere away from the interstate you'd better be ready to pay the analog roaming rate.

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  12. I'm getting sick of it, frankly by krog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The more technology I live with, the more I like to abandon it and go to the country. I never like phone calls, I usually dislike TV, I often dislike the Web and email and computers...

    I am beginning to see a pattern here. Does anyone else notice that the in the last ten years, the fun seems to have slowly bled from computing and technology?

    1. Re:I'm getting sick of it, frankly by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What do you mean? The fun is HERE!

      As I write this, I'm busy transferring 4 GB of web sites from one server to another for a client from my home-based office, while updates are happening in two other systems, in towns hundreds of miles away. I'm running it all from here, where I look out the window and see black walnut trees and ivy in my front yard.

      I have headphones on plugged into the sound card on my workstation, playing a wonderful (to me) mix of New Age, orchestra, folk, and Classic Rock music, whilst my 5 year old son plays just behind me.

      How else can you work several places at once, in a relaxed chair, and interact with your children, while commanding decent wages without technology?

      This is not FUN?!?!?

      One of my 5 children is diabetic. Cell phones mean that my wife and I can go on dates, and go places with impunity, knowing that we can still keep an eye on our son from anywhere.

      Also, my son has a computerized insulin pump, which automatically meters out insulin as he needs it. This results in excellent blood sugar control, and if we're careful, his life expectancy will be close to normal. 100 years ago, my wonderful son would be dead.

      This is not FUN?!?!?

      As a technology provider, I frequently have to sign contracts with clauses like "24 hour monitoring" and the like. What this means for me is setting up Big Brother Network Monitor. It checks all my stuff around the clock every 5 minutes, and lets me know if there's a problem.

      Combine this with maintained, patched, high quality Linux servers, and you have a pretty worry-free life...

      The trick is to use technology to empower yourself, to leverage technology to improve your life.

      Maybe you'd like a life expectancy of 38 years, and a short, hard life digging for worms and bugs to eat, but I don't.

      It's a very poor pitchfork that can't be used as a weapon against you - so make sure you're using your tools properly!

      -Ben

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  13. Bullsh!t... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 2, Funny
    Listen... when I can get my Laptop (Windoze OR MacOS X OR Linux) and sit in a Starbucks and browse at cable modem speed for $40/month, call me. Until then, you can keep your crappy prices and crappy content.

    ***Screenshot from a Sprint 3G Cellphone***

    (1) Weather

    (2) News

    (3) Pr0n

    (3) Sport Scores

    (4) Get AOL Now!

    *********

    Is THAT the reason I want wireless web at any speed on my cellphone?

  14. Re:bah. by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've had the opposite experience. Cingular seems
    to give much better service nation-wide than
    Sprint. Sprint seems to give good coverage
    around big cities and interstates, but lousy
    coverage anywhere else.

    Just my own experience.

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    *sigh* back to work...
  15. Re:here we go by doctor_oktagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many people said this about SMS messaging?

    Now almost everyone with a phone in the UK uses it, and the advertisements are now gearing us up for sending picture messages.

    A camera built into the phone so you can instantly send it to a friend? I kinda like the sound of it!

    The expense will come down (it always does) and we'll forget what life was like before it all arrived (it always happens).

    If you need to go and live in the woods, sure, but you were probably saying that when they invented the TV, so what's new?

  16. Doesn't anyone use a phone as a phone anymore? by Winterblink · · Score: 2, Funny
    I mean the technology's really nifty and all, but for crying out loud who the hell needs to be able to do all that crap on a two inch screen? Coolness factor aside, what's the point? Wouldn't it be amazing if you're stuck on a mountainside after your car wrecked, and your only communications with the outside world is a phone that died after an hour or two because it was kept busy updating you with sports scores.

    Aaicheewahwah...

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    -Hoban Washburn
    1. Re:Doesn't anyone use a phone as a phone anymore? by PigleT · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Datapoint: a couple of weeks after acquiring my current communicative toy(TM) - a simple nokia 6310 - I found myself using said GPRS at about 2am to hunt hospitals in a given town.

      Compared to the hassle of hunting a pen & paper and listening while some insert-female-voice-here noise dictates a phone number, being able to see a little bit of text in front of you has its uses.

      Personally I think the remaining 99.5% of the time this is going to be used is on the executive corporate toilet - anyone for next-gen Snake between the stalls? ;)

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    2. Re:Doesn't anyone use a phone as a phone anymore? by efatapo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Personally I think the remaining 99.5% of the time this is going to be used is on the executive corporate toilet - anyone for next-gen Snake between the stalls? ;)

      My snake is staying in my stall thank you very much! :)

      Is it just me or was that the worst game choice you could've made in this example.

  17. Grrr... by lysurgon · · Score: 2

    Right after I invested in a new phone...

    Well, this is nice news, because it should also give the others a kick in the rear to get their next-gen plans working. However, I want to know if all this bandwidth-boosting is going to improve call quality. I still get dropped calls in my home (brooklyn) and in certain parts of NYC I inexplicably go on analog roam for two or three blocks at a time.

    I'd be really happy if this meant I could finally really for real loose my landline.

  18. Some vague pricing details by TheOverlord · · Score: 4, Informative

    saw this posted over at the treocentral forums...its from Salomon Smith Barney discussing the 3G launch.

    "We have been tracking the signs for Sprint's upcoming "3G" launch, regarding
    the brand, launch date, price, and handset selection. Our checks have
    indicated that Sprint's new brand for its "3G" wireless data service is PCS
    Vision, which will be billed on bits and bytes, rather than minutes.

    On timing, we believe there is substantial confusion over the "official" launch
    date. Based on our channel checks, "3G" capable phones may go on sale in the
    indirect channels in stores such as Best Buy and Circuit City, beginning on
    August 8. The "official" launch in Sprint's direct stores may not occur until,
    at least, August 12, and may extend to August 19.

    On price, we find that Sprint PCS will build upon its national pricing
    schematic with its introduction of data, rather than become more aggressive for
    national voice minute pricing. We would emphasize the data pricing described
    in this report are indications and are still subject to change ahead of the
    launch. We have received indications that Sprint will maintain its current
    pricing for national voice minutes, which is constructive for the industry.
    However, the decision may limit the company's ability to improve its share
    relative to the aggressive pricing tactics of its competitors. We find the
    data pricing indications to still be somewhat expensive with a minimum
    increment of around $10/month on the existing national plans for 2 MB and
    likely around $0.02/Kilobyte thereafter. All-in, pricing is not substantially
    cheaper than current data plans in the market.

    On the handset front, we believe Sprint will launch with several new color
    phones by Samsung, Sanyo, and LG as well as with a PC Card, likely from
    Novatel. Price points for the handsets should range between $179.99 and
    $279.99."

    "* Branding -- We expect Sprint PCS to launch a new brand name for its "3G"
    service, "PCS Vision." The service will offer applications such as MMS
    (multi-media messaging), games, downloadable ring-tones and screen savers,
    and ISP-like access for laptops/PDAs.

    * Timing -- We find a substantial level of noise within the channels, regarding
    the launch date of Sprint's "3G" service. Based on our channel checks, we
    believe "3G" capable phones may go on sale in the indirect channels in store
    such as Best Buy and Circuit City, beginning on August 8. New displays may
    not be constructed until the weekend. The "official" launch may not occur
    until, at least, August 12, and may extend to August 19. Our conclusion is
    that August 8 will begin somewhat of a soft launch, with the promotional
    campaign set for, at least, 1-2 weeks later. We find few employees have been
    trained on the service, based on our discussions. Some employees expected to
    be trained within the next week. Also, several company stores expected to
    receive their full "3G" displays from Sprint within the next 7-10 days. We
    do not believe the direct PCS stores are stocking material levels of
    inventory of the new phones, yet.

    * Pricing -- We have learned that Sprint PCS is currently planning to maintain
    its national voice pricing and charge a premium for data access by the
    megabyte and kilobyte. Our data points on pricing are preliminary and are
    subject to change ahead of the launch. We believe Sprint will begin offering
    data packages at an access level of $49.99 with data plans going up to
    $119.99. The company will offer these plans on several new color-screen
    phones with data capabilities as well as a PC-card modem at launch. Services
    will initially focus around multi-media messaging (including digital
    pictures), gaming, and laptop connectivity.

    Figure 1 highlights the preliminary pricing indications we have received from
    our research. Sprint has essentially added a $10 charge for 2 MB of data to
    its popular national price points at $39.99 and $49.99. For 8 MB of data,
    Sprint has typically added $20-$25 to each of the access charges. We expect
    the additional charge per KB to be around $0.02 if customers break their
    buckets.

    FIGURE 1. PRELIMINARY INDICATIONS ON 3G PRICING

    Monthly Charge
    $49.99 $59.99 $74.99 $84.99 $89.99 $99.99 $119.99
    Peak Min. 350 500 750 750 1,000 1,000 1,300
    Off-Peak Min. 3,650 4,500 5,750 5,750 7,000 7,000 8,700
    MB Data 2 2 2 8 2 8 8
    Source: SSB research and estimates.

    To put the pricing into perspective, we return to our VEP, voice-equivalent
    pricing model, that is far from perfect, but allows us to compare the price
    for data services on an apples-to-apples basis with voice. The methodology
    uses average throughput of the data network to convert data traffic into
    voice minutes. This can give us a back of the envelope measurement to
    compare with voice capacity and pricing. We calculate a voice equivalent
    price (VEP) per minute for a given data plan as follows:

    where VEM, or voice equivalent minutes, is defined by the following formula:

    Using average throughput of 30 kbps (our average 1X experience on Verizon's
    Express Network), we find Sprint is pricing these buckets at a healthy
    implied voice equivalent price of $0.70 - $1.13/minute

    FIGURE 2. VOICE-EQUIVALENT PRICE POINTS

    VEP
    Throughput 2 MB 8 MB
    20 kb/sec $0.75 $0.47
    30 kb/sec $1.13 $0.70
    40 kb/sec $1.50 $0.94
    Source: SSB Estimates.

    The sensitivity analysis above shows that Sprint has flexibility to increase
    the size of the data buckets, especially if the loaded 3G network offers
    faster average throughput speeds. As the speed of the network improves,
    Sprint is able to achieve better voice equivalent pricing per minute. Data
    margins will be sensitive to the cost for content and subscriber acquisition
    and education.

    Sprint is clearly trying to hold the line on its national voice pricing,
    which is constructive for the industry and the company's subscriber
    economics. However, its national competitors have not broadly shared
    Sprint's strategy. Thus, pricing is a double-edged sword for PCS as the
    company is trying to improve subscriber economics at low access plans, but
    may limit its marketshare in the process. We do appreciate Sprint's effort
    to differentiate on its service offering, rather than on price, and view it
    as a constructive signal that Sprint is focused on its subscriber
    profitability. On the data pricing front, we believe Sprint's data pricing,
    like its competitors, runs the risk of revenue cannibalization for customers
    that use too much or too little data. We still believe material data revenue
    is, at least, 12 months away given the pricing plans and level of customer
    education required. We highlight the pricing of its competitors' 2.5G data
    services below."

    "* Handset Selection -- We are enthusiastic for the launch of Sprint's new line-
    up of handsets that should begin with at least two color-screen phones at or
    below $200 and a PC-card for laptops/PDAs. We expect Sprint's phones to
    include the color Samsung N400 which should retail for $199.99 and likely a
    color-screen Sanyo 4900 for $179.99. These phones should be 1X voice and
    data capable. Sprint should also offer the Samsung A500 for around $279.99.
    We also expect LG to launch a color-screen flip phone at or near the launch
    date, but we could not ascertain the SRP (suggested retail price) from our
    channel checks. We expect Sprint to deploy several PC-card modems that will
    range in features and price. We expect PC-card modems to range from $249.99
    - $399.99 at retail. The company should also shortly launch the Audiovox
    Thera, an integrated phone/PDA using Pocket PC, as well as the color
    Handspring Treo."

    1. Re:Some vague pricing details by RoundSparrow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The data pricing is AT BEST (biggest bulk discount):

      $1/MB.

      $119.99 plan includes 120MB of data. The overage comes out to $1.024/MB...

      3G on Sprint, where you can rack up charges faster! These prices suck.

      Verizon has a plan with unlimited for $99/month... Sprint can't compete. Despite the wider coverage, these prices will kill the service for the Geek market.

  19. Re:here we go by Foss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .. because it's impossible for you to switch the thing off when you don't want to be reached.

    They're good for emergencies. Why not get one purely for that purpose? I bought a cheap shitty top-up-card thing for next to nothing, and I'm glad I did. Only the closest friends and family have my number so I don't get bothered unless it's urgent.

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  20. Sprint 3G prices and pretty pictures by Randy+Rathbun · · Score: 2

    Here is the submission I made just as the story got posted:

    Sprint has just announced their 3G stuff. Looks pretty sweet, and the prices look to be a heck of a lot better than that ION thing they tried. Compared to the Palm VII service, the 3G pretty much kills that right off as well. Also, be sure to check out the pretty pictures of the phones.

    The phones look pretty cool, though there is nothing really new now that I go back and look at previous /. stories about things like the Treo.

    The pricing is set to start at $50 and go up to $115/month. Not great, but not bad either. They are saying most people will do the $80/mo plan which gives you a few megabytes of data. Still not great. Though it is still cheaper than what Palm/Blackberry want.

  21. Re:here we go by doctor_oktagon · · Score: 2

    ... which fits right in with my visit to Tokyo last year.

    We can seperate this out from advertisments though, truly a modern scourge. This is about communications between individuals ... it would save you having to go visit your mum so much when you could send her a piccy of yourself instead.

    Saying that, it's not exactly a good advert for inter-family relationships then, so I see your point!

    And you're not seriously suggesting on slashdot that streetside pr0n is a bad thing?! ;-)

  22. Pricing by FuryG3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's sad to see something so cool being sold so horribly. I called their sales department, only to find that they are metering this service (no unlimited data service)

    They use sierra wireless aircards (no model numbers, i assume 555 series) and novatel C201s

    They had two prices, one was around $40-$50, and the other as $70-$80. You're limited pretty much to 1M/1$.

    I stopped paying attention after they told me that there was no unlimited service. I guess it's "helloooo verizon", cept $1200 a year + modem seems to be a wee much. anyone know of any other carriers (preferably in the sf/bay area) offering these services?

  23. What about the phones...? by sammy.lost-angel.com · · Score: 2, Funny

    So when can I buy the fancy new phones? And will they have bluetooth? Or better yet, can I get the T68i for sprint 3G and stand out infront of the Washington Monument and ask people from Texas to take my picture? :)

  24. Will Japanese 3G phones work with these system(s)? by ShogZilla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I order new-and-nifty phone from Japane, will I be able to use it?

    I'd hope this would be possible, but I'm guessing the answer's no... sigh.

  25. Ah, gotta love the brainwashed Sprint troll. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yet another person spews out regurgitated Sprint PCS "The Clear Alternative to Ourselves" commercials.

    Verizon may be a patchwork, but even their digital area is larger than Sprint's puny "nationwide" network.

    Look at a coverage map of Verizon's America's Choice plan (These are the digital coverage areas - I don't think the analog towers have the advanced roaming features needed for such a plan). Then look at the coverage for Sprint's plans.

    Sprint's "roaming" area is about 75% of the map. Verizon's "covered" area with America's Choice is 60%+ of the map.

    I have complete digital coverage with all features over most of upstate New York (the boonies), including where I went to school in Ithaca. Sprint??? Syracuse, Buffalo, and recently Binghamton, that's it. Oh, Ithaca now has service as of a few months ago, but if you leave town with Sprint you're roaming. The entire region was digital for Frontier Cellular (now Verizon) customers over three years ago.

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    retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
    1. Re:Ah, gotta love the brainwashed Sprint troll. by div_2n · · Score: 2

      All cell phone companies have dead zones. Even in their most covered areas they have them. Perhaps you live in one of Sprint's. True Sprint's coverage is less than others, but the coverage they have works. It just plain works.

      I have at least one friend that uses all the other major players and they are constantly complaining about their service and customer support. The measure of a cell phone company is not bound solely to their theoretical coverage map.

  26. Cellular Response by Moridineas · · Score: 4, Funny

    I really enjoy how invariably the posts in each slashdot article about cellphones are split 50/50 between:

    a) "I HATE CELLPHONES THEY ARE THE BANE OF ALL THINGS GOOD AND SHOULD BE OUTLAWED, GREAT THIS JUST MEANS THAT EVEN MORE PEOPLE WILL BE YAPPING IN PUBLIC AND AT MOVIES" (seen here)

    and

    b) "FINALLY CRAPPY OLD AMERICA IS CATCHING UP WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD, FINALLY, WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG, WE'RE STILL BETTER, TAKE THAT AMERICAN CAPITALISM, CELL PHONES FOREVER!!" (seen here)

  27. Re:here we go by garcia · · Score: 2

    he cares enough about his father in the nursing home that he carries it w/him. It has little to do w/anything else.

    Nope, I hope to NEVER be in a position where I will be required to carry one around. That's just fucking ridiculous.

    Vacation means just that. They don't call it that for nothing.

  28. Re:here we go by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
    "Bingo. This "3G" shit is just that... a toy. While cellphones are fantastic, I can't possibly see what use "3G" could be to the average (ie: non-geek, non-kid) person. What's the point of this? "

    Greater bandwidth allows for greater voice transmission quality. I have this service in Canada and it is amazing.

    Also business users can connect the phone to their laptop via USB or Bluetooth and connect to the corporate network.

    With enough compression, can you say videophone?

  29. No they didn't by CE@UIC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wrong, no they didn't. Read the fine print. No GSM carriers in the US are anywhere near rolling out 3G. AT&T Wireless = GSM
    Sprint PCS = CDMA

    1. Re:No they didn't by pmancini · · Score: 2

      Actually CDMA2000, CDMA is 2G. Some other carriers are rolling out W-CDMA (W == Wide).

      Also AT&T did it in 10 cities. Sprint is rolling nationally with everything. Someone in Topeka can have as much 3G as someone in Las Vegas. I bet the NewTek guys love that idea.

      Sprint's 3G has lots of great features. They are also going to compete with a lot of companies now that had no competition before. Case in point is Nextel's Push-to-Talk service. PTT is where you turn your cell phone into a walkie-talkie. It is all the rage. Nextel is the only company that offers it. With Nextel you get a range of about 250 miles. With Sprint however you will get Nationwide coverage. Assuming it works well there will probably be a large chunk of the 8 million Nextel customers taking a very serious look at Sprint.

      I got to use a 3G powered notebook when I was in Lenexa KS. It was extremely cool. I had my picture taken with a 3G digital camera, which sent it's picture up to a webserver and then I was able to email my friends, family and boss the picture. Total turnaround time was about 8 minutes to do all of that. I see that technology being useful in hot real estate markets. There an agent can get the details of a property, take pictures and update the server from the car or the living room and then move onto the next site. It would be possible to get back to the office and have leads generated already.

      There are a lot of interesting uses for 3G like that. I think it would be interesting to have a "singles locator" in which you indicate your basic stats and what you are looking for and when the server detects two people within a certain range of each other, informs each. You check your handset and from a description or picture go looking for the person. Hmmm, actually this sounds like a cool tool for stalkers. Um, never mind!

      As for pricing - that is top-secret until the actual rollout. I don't know what it will be but I think people will be happy with it.

      Disclaimer: I am a Sprint PCS employee and I have worked on 3G products for the last 14 months. However, I know as much about 3G as anyone who has bothered to read all of Sprint's Marketing material and not much more.

      --Peter

  30. Re:Latency? by Durrik · · Score: 2, Informative

    It depends. In an effort to save on capacity and on power CDMA2000 uses a state machine for its packet connections, determining which access mode the phone is in. Depending on which state the phone is in will determine what the latency will be.

    It also depends on packet size. Most of these features come in the next rev of CDMA2000. But this is what happens for the most part:

    - If you're using a circuit data mode then you're connected all the time, which costs the carriers and you a hefty chunk of money. This mode is used in all versions of CDMA before IS-2000 rev 0.
    - If you're using Packet Data, you can be connected with a high speed channel downstream and a low speed channel upstream, or any combination. Depending on the size of the packet the latency can change, that's just standard networking.
    - But if you're link has been idle for a while your phone may have dropped the channels and gone into another mode. When you send a packet, if its small enough it will go accross the common signalling channel which everyone uses to tell the base station its alive or it wants to make a call. And if the returning packet is small enough then it'll go back accross the the forward common signalling channel.
    - But if you need to send or receive a large packet, or a stream of packets you need to set up the forward and reverse channels again, and this can take time. Depending on which state the phone is in when it needs to set up the channels this can take as little as half a second, or as much as 3 or 4 seconds before the packets start flowing again.

    So depending on which mode you're in, depends on how large the latency is. It also depends on the radio environment. CDMA is fairly good in noisy environments, but if it gets into a really bad area packets will have to be retransmitted several times.

    --
    Software Engineer & Writer of Military Science Fiction and Fantasy Blog: petermwright.com Twitter: WrightPeterM
  31. Just to clarify some things... by Riskable · · Score: 2, Informative

    From reading the first few comments it seems that just about everyone is confused about this 3G launch. This *IS* 3G folks. 2.5G was GPRS which provides data services, but is slow as shit (it can be faster if you implement more channels, but no providers really support more than 3 at a time).

    Also, as far as plans go, there are several. All of which include a few megabytes of transfer allowed per month (except for the cheapest which is 1 meg I think). The prices for overage are NOT $1 or $2/meg it's cheaper than that (though, I can't remember off the top of my head what it is).

    What kind of speeds/latency can one expect from this network? About 127 kilobits/sec and ~400ms. While that isn't anywhere near your cable/DSL speeds, it's lightyears ahead of the 19.2 kilobits/sec that was previously the norm for cellular networks.

    This is NOT meant to be a broadband replacement. It's meant to take cell phones to the next level of service. Using computers with them is just an afterthought.

    --
    -Riskable
    "Those who choose proprietary software will pay for their decision!"
    1. Re:Just to clarify some things... by Riskable · · Score: 2

      Ummm... At what point did I say that the regular rate would be under $1/meg? If you actually READ WHAT I WROTE you would see that I was referring to overrage. Which in your example is $0.001/meg. Far from a heavy cost.

      Also, ANALOG data rates on old celular networks were 14.4, however, if you were on Sprint's or Voicestream's data services, you could get 19.2 (which really translated to something like 16k). At least, that's what they advertised. Lookup GPRS on Google.

      You sir, are not a geek. Rather, a presumptuous wannabe.

      --
      -Riskable
      "Those who choose proprietary software will pay for their decision!"
  32. Re:here we go by Znork · · Score: 2

    Everyone's using SMS? Not anyone I know... except in situations where SMS is the only possible solution. That is, in a bar with too much noise to talk, kids in school where the teacher would throw them out for talking on the phone, to notify someone who isnt answering their phone or for computer generated alerts. It's mainly used as a last resort, when you have no other more practical option. If you have email, some IM client or a practically usable phone SMS isnt the preferred method of communication for many people.

    Things will get used if they fills a practical purpose and serves people for a reasonable price. WAP was a total failure because it didnt make things easier. The Internet was a total success because it sped up and simplified things immensly. The jury is still out on 3G. Nobody has managed to make video telephony popular for the last several decades despite the technical capacity available. Maybe sending sucky-quality pictures will get popular for some situations, but the price had better be right.

  33. Nothing says.... by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    bound to fail more than charging the same for 100 megabytes downloaded through a tiny screen than it costs me for my car payment. I am not exactly a tight wad. I think my $35 a month for my cable modem connection is the best thing since sliced bread -- but you would not believe how many people refuse to even pay that for home high speed connects. (these are even people in the tech industry...) This is the market that these cell phone companies are going to try to tap for an extra $80 bucks or so to download a few megs through their cellphones??? What are they smoking?

    --
    (+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
  34. Re:Finally by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
    "Do you think the 3G phones will be able to be used as a wireless modem like current phones? I'd love to use left-over minutes near the end of the month for some decent gaming over the internet. DSL here is rediculously expensive. I wonder how the latency will be..."

    Sure you can! This is already available on 1xRTT networks in Canada. Although they currently reserve the right to limit your 'unlimited data' subscription to 100 mb per month. Bleh.

    One other thing worth noting is that the provider I linked does not charge per minute for wireless web. I have it right now and you can browse online for a flat fee for as long as you have battery left as long as you stay within the 'free sites area' which gets gets bigger depending on the fee you pay. Otherwise, the services are 'per-use'

  35. Re:here we go by Zathrus · · Score: 2

    They're good for emergencies. Why not get one purely for that purpose?

    If this is truely the only reason you want a phone, and you classify "emergency" as something where you need to get local authorities involved (and not call your extended family to let them start worrying early), then all you need is a phone and an in-car charger. You don't need a plan. Any phone, regardless of whether or not it has a plan, can dial 911 at no charge. This is federally mandated.

    Get in an accident? Medical emergency? Afraid for your life? Call 911. The call will go through.

    We gave my mother my wife's old cell phone for exactly this reason. She's lives in the midwest and drives a lot, and her only reason to get a cell phone was in case of car problems, accidents, etc.

    Does it let you call random other number in case of a problem? Nope. And that can be useful, especially for things where 911 really shouldn't be involved (like car breakdowns not involving hitting anything), but just a cell phone and charger will do fine for true emergencies, and those can be gotten for a one time charge of about $10-20 at a pawn shop.

  36. Call the lawyers by r_j_prahad · · Score: 2

    I wonder how long it'll be before the RIAA and the MPAA get it shut down for facilitating piracy?

  37. Re:here we go by bergeron76 · · Score: 2

    Not only that, but it now gives us the option of using decent wireless internet access in our automobiles. I'm going to be using 3G in the dashpc (www.dashpc.com) project.

    I think this is great news for the US. Somehow, we missed the boat on CDMA when Europe,etc. jumped on it.

    --
    Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
  38. Yeah, Well, I'm Not Running Out to Buy It by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you are considering a purchase of any kind of internet connectivity, wireless or otherwise, from Sprint, I have some advice for you.

    Run. Run like the wind and don't look back.

    I just had Sprint's 8 Mbit Down/ 1 Mbit up business ADSL installed a month ago. It worked beautifully, gave me 5 usable static IPs, and was a modest $160/month for a two year contract.

    Within two weeks of having the service I got an email alluding to a "reorganization" of their DSL service.

    Eight days later I got a snail mail telling me the service was being cancelled for "economic" reasons ("we would have held you to your two-year contract as a weak individual, but don't even think of trying to hold us to our end of the bargain, and here's a $400 refund on your $600 bill of shut-up money"). Oh, and we'll give you a service that is one sixth as fast (1.5 Mbit down, 384k up) for $130 month, installation waived, because we're such nice folks. Of course, I can buy the exact same service Sprint is reselling (Covad ADSL) directly from Covad for just $80/month ($50 less per month for the identical product!), so that great deal Sprint is offering isn't so great after all.

    When I tried to get clarification by phone from Sprint representatives who apparently knew even less than I, I got as a response "look, half of us our losing their jobs, what do you want?"

    I want the service I signed a two year contract to receive and am paying for, and I want to know what the hell is going on.

    So, long story short: there is no way in hell I will buy any service, wireless or otherwise, from a company as flakey and unreliable as Sprint has proven themselves to be, and I would encourage anyone else considering any of their services to be extremely skeptical of Sprint's ability to deliver.

    --
    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
    1. Re:Yeah, Well, I'm Not Running Out to Buy It by mcrbids · · Score: 2
      No kidding. One of my clients signed up for the Sprint Ion service 6 months ago or something. Sounded real nice, 3 phone lines and hi-speed internet on a single line for a reasonable price.

      Same as you mention. They could not handle 4 lines at any price, but even worse, after taking 2 months to get everything working right, they cancelled the service less than a month later!

      I'm VERY DOWN on Sprint...

      Oh, and their TV ads for "clear all digitial cellular service" are an outright lie. It may be digital, but it's definitely *NOT* "all clear" or "static free". It's far worse than their competitor Verizon in these parts! (Northern Calif)

      I have little respect for a company that outright lies in advertising campaigns.

      --
      I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  39. Re:Cell-networks with good reception? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
    "This may not directly apply to the article, but it is cell-related ;). Anyhow, I don't have much interest in the latest gee-whiz gizmos from the mobile companies -- but I do care about sound quality."

    I have this service on a Canadian carrier and the quality is an excellent jump from my previous Sanyo 4000 phone ... unless of course the person on the other end is using a non 1x phone or is not on a landline.

  40. Ithaca is just one of many examples... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have yet to lose digital coverage and features with my phone in ANY area where my roaming light wasn't on, and I've done a lot of traveling up and down the Northeast. My roaming light rarely turns on. Verizon blew away Sprint in Ithaca, and it's marginally better where I'm currently living in Central Jersey.

    If you want a better example, try inputting 08836 as your zip code for Sprint.

    Compare Sprint's coverage of New Jersey (50% coverage of one of the most densely populated states in the country? You've got to be kidding me!!!) to Verizon's 100% coverage, which has yet to go to analog fallback or lose features for me. (I am now living in central Jersey.)

    Basically, Verizon and its predecessors had superior coverage 2-3 years ago to what Sprint has now, and will always remain ahead of the game.

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    retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
  41. i'm a product of my upbringing by Schwamm · · Score: 2, Funny

    Simson Garfinkel had a good column on this recently.

    read as

    Simon and Garfunkel had a good column on this recently.

    which made me wonder
    1) when did they start actually working together again, and
    2) what the hell do they care about this stuff?

    stupid brain.

  42. Flat-rate Ricochet coming back up by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    Ricochet, the flat-rate 900MHz wireless service, is coming back up, Denver is just about to turn back on, and the other ciites with those little Ricochet nodes on the street lights should come back on this year.

    Ricochet is about 40-100Kb/s, so it's comparable to 3G. And it's flat-rate, at $44.95/month.

    I had Ricochet service five years ago, and it was quite good. It was a viable alternative to dial-up at the time.

  43. "3G" by BigMFC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    3G is a bit misleading I think. CDMA 1x is really more of a 2.5G technology. Sprint is following the CDMA 2000 evolution path, from 1xRTT to EV-DO and then EV-DV. Eventually CDMA will use OFDM (like 802.11a WLANs) over three channels to achieve 2+Mbps downstream but that will only begin to happen in 2004/2005. I think GSM->GPRS->EDGE->UMTS evolution path will probably be used by more telecoms worldwide.

    This news is good for the telecom industry. With several countries scaling back their spending on 3G, the day when i'll be playing multiplayer Doom3 on my cellphone seems even further away :(

  44. Argh! by badasscat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why do American companies seem to so not get this whole wireless thing? It's about consumers, and it's about content, stupid! Do these idiots think 30 million people in Japan signed up for i-Mode to play Cyracer or to access Google? Gimme a break! If you look at the wealth of content available on i-Mode, its pricing structure, its marketing (for God's sake, somebody please emulate DoCoMo's marketing, as they're obviously the only telecom company in the world that understands what the term means), then the essence of the thing and its success slowly starts to sink in.

    To use one of DoCoMo's own failures in support of my argument, just look at the slow rate of adoption of 3G in Japan. Nobody cares about data speeds on cel phones, they care about content and pricing.

    To paraphrase that famous Roman General Maximus, "DoCoMo had a vision that is wireless, and this is not it. This is not it." And neither is m-Mode, AT&T's poor attempt at an i-Mode knockoff, I'm sorry to say.

  45. Sprint... thumbs DOWN by Shant3030 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sprint is by far the worst company with respect to service... customer and phone service. 3 out of every 4 calls I make/receive are dropped. I have been hung up on by customer service 4 times and been told that "Sprint will not allow its customers to take advantage of them". ? Isnt that what a company would want you to do???

    No matter what new innovations they come up with, I will never subscribe to or use them. Anyone else ever have problems with them?? If so, what did do to resolve it? Me, i am going to sign up with a new service very soon.. bye bye Sprint...

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    100% Insightful
    1. Re:Sprint... thumbs DOWN by realdpk · · Score: 2

      Wow. Hung up on by customer service 4 times? What do you say to them to make them do that? I've never, ever had trouble with their customer service. Do you just bitch them out or what?

  46. 3G plans by RedX · · Score: 2

    250 anytime/3250 nights $34.99/month 0mb data, no LD
    300/3700 $39.99 0mb
    300/3700 $49.99 2mb
    500/4500 $59.99 2mb
    650/4850 $64.99 2mb possible no LD
    650/4850 $84.99 24mb possible no LD
    1000/6500 $124.99 24mb

    To compare to some of the old non-data plans, I've been paying $30/month for 300/3500 for a few years, so adding 2mb of data would essentially cost me $20/month. The cost of data does come down with the higher-priced plans, 50/3500 for $50 was a pretty common non-data plan

  47. Unlimited Data Available by tiomapengineer · · Score: 3, Informative

    " For a limited time, customers can sign up for unlimited data usage plans for $49.99 for the first three months and $99.99 for the rest of the contract term" News.com story

  48. Re:bah. by cwebster · · Score: 2

    i've had the opposite experience. When i lived in san antonio, TX, and had sprint i would get dropouts on sprint when driving around town. Had some rather inconveient holes in thier coverage in the city.

    I switched to AT&T not long after having sprint and have been much happier. Recently drove from austin, TX to calgary, AB and had usable singal the entire way except a couple spots in montana (note that this is at&t's tdma service).

  49. Re:YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND by nbvb · · Score: 2

    Not all of the patchwork networks support it! Care to take a guess at how many billing systems Verizon has? It's going to be a piece of cake to bill on behalf of 3rd party service/content providers, right? Oh but that won't be such a big problem, now that they have MS helping them. Sure.


    OK, here's the deal... the "patchwork networks" as you say are all CDMA. VZW _had_ a TDMA network which was just shut off about 2 weeks ago. Now everything is CDMA, and that's all compatible. Some of the switches are Nortel, some are Motorola, but the requisite switches are being forklift-upgraded to enable 1XRTT everywhere. This will be completed by the end of the year.

    And as for the billing systems ....... it's gone from about 14 down to less than half that. In less than a year from now, there will be exactly two -- and that's where it will stay. Do you have any idea how hard it is to migration 30 million customers' data (and historical data) from 14 legacy applications (all of which were home-grown) into another one?

    You really don't _want_ to put all of your customers on one billing system. I can't explain why, but two makes sense.

    And "MS isn't helping them." The MSN/VZW agreement is for mobileweb, and nothing more. It's just marketing spew; MS has nothing to do with IS or IT.

    Seriously. Trust me. All the billing applications run where billing applications belong.... Suffice it to say that MS couldn't even think about writing software for the right platform ....
  50. Re:here we go by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2
    "You can't tell me you've never wanted to have a semi-decent network connection while in a car, on a train, on a bus, or in an airport. Now you can. To me that is pretty cool, and is why I thought highly enough of 3G to take a job related to it. I'd use it. Wouldn't you? ..."

    I'm still looking for a decent internet connection at HOME! Our in-home network is good (it's all 100 mbit) but the damn long phone loops limit dialup to 28.8 or 31.2 of I'm lucky. The cable and adsl are non-existant.

    And of course I'd like an untethered IDSN class connection. That would be great for business and fun purposes.