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User Friendly 1.0

Craig Maloney writes with the review below of the latest release from User Friendly, laughware which finally hit 1.0 earlier this year. Read on for Craig's impressions of the book, which is loaded with more than just reprints of the UF comics you've seen on the web. User Friendly 1.0 author J.D. "Illiad" frazer pages 112 publisher Plan Nine Publishing rating 9/10 reviewer Craig Maloney ISBN 1929462395 summary An �autobiographical� look at the thoughts and ideas that make up the User Friendly comic strip and community.

Greetings Cave Dwellers

Arguably one of the most successful and popular online comics is User Friendly. With three full-length books in print, a community of dedicated readers, and merchandise that has been featured on major computer celebrities globally, one would have a hard time disputing the popularity and the success of User Friendly. Over the past four years, User Friendly has grown from a small inter-office comic into an internet destination and a community of loyal readers. User Friendly 1.0 collects not only the comics that have not been published before (O'Reilly didn't include them in the previous books because of layout and other considerations), but also various essays, thoughts, illustrations, and other comics not necessarily related to User Friendly.

It All Began Here

The first section of the book contains the comics that didn't make it in the first User Friendly book (User Friendly, published by O'Reilly and Associates). These are the comics that introduce the crew of Columbia Internet (the friendliest, hardest-working and most neurotic little internet service provider), and births Dust Puppy (from a server that hasn't been upgraded in a year). The drawings are more primitive, with four frames of story rather than the three we enjoy today, but don't let that detract you from the humor and the sheer fun of the comics. Sure, they're not the same as what you're expecting from the current dailies, but they have a certain charm all their own.

Introduce Yourself / Essay Contest

The latter half of the book introduces the characters of User Friendly and their real-world analogues. Yes folks, the secret is out and revealed for the first time; User Friendly is based on real-people, although Illiad is quick to point out the people the characters are based on aren't QUITE as neurotic as their cartoon counterparts. Illiad also takes the latter part of the book to talk about his views on art, drawing women, community schisms, and the practical joke of 1999 and its aftermath. These essays show Illiad as a cartoonist who is not only humbled and flattered by the acceptance of his work, but also an artist who appreciates the community that has evolved from that work. Illiad appreciates his fans, and it's that appreciation of the fans that makes a book like User Friendly 1.0 not only possible, but also readable.

Bonus

As an added bonus, User Friendly 1.0 also features several SuSE Friendly comics (strips done for SuSE) and the crossover between User Friendly and Sluggy Freelance (in case you missed it). The strips are a nice treat for the fans and I have User Friendly to thank for my Sluggy Freelance addiction. :)

For the fans

If you don't like User Friendly, you've already skipped this review, and won't buy this book. That's quite all right, as this book isn't meant for you anyway. For the people who are fans of the comic, or who have a passing interest in the behind the scenes thoughts and ideas of User Friendly (or who want to see the early comics and the crossover appearances), this book is a no-brainer purchase. The writing is genuine, and having the rest of the comics in print is a bonus. User Friendly 1.0 is a labor of love for the community, and the community won't be disappointed.

You can purchase User Friendly 1.0 from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

199 comments

  1. Fuzzy Thing by ScroP · · Score: 2, Funny

    What is that fuzzy thing with feet?

    1. Re:Fuzzy Thing by Xaoswolf · · Score: 2

      I believe a dust bunny, but I could be wrong, I don't read the comic.

    2. Re:Fuzzy Thing by kylus · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's the 'Dust Puppy,' born from the dust and bits of other things that were inside of a server. :)
      Check this comic for his birth.

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      --Kylus
      Idiot-proof something, and Life will build a better Idiot.
    3. Re:Fuzzy Thing by Stuart+Gibson · · Score: 3, Informative

      A Dust PUPPY.

      And the dirty thing with feet is Crud Puppy.

      --
      It's all fun and games until a 200' robot dinosaur shows up and trashes Neo-Tokyo... Again
    4. Re:Fuzzy Thing by fizz-beyond · · Score: 1

      I thought "The Dirty thing" (aka Crud Puppy) had hands not feet?

      --
      Blink
    5. Re:Fuzzy Thing by billbaggins · · Score: 1
      And the dirty thing with feet is Crud Puppy.
      HANDS. "Gnarled hands of a Microsoft programmer", to be specific. See the complete anatomy here.
      --
      "The best argument against democracy is a five minute chat with the average voter."
      --Winston Churchill
    6. Re:Fuzzy Thing by fredopalus · · Score: 0

      He is called Dust Puppy. He was born inside a server, and found by Pitr the sysadmin. Everybody loves him except Stef the sales manager. Erwin and AJ are his best pals.

      --
      Jonahweb.com has stuff.
  2. Do you remember when User Friendly was funny? by Astrorunner · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...neither do I.

    1. Re:Do you remember when User Friendly was funny? by khuber · · Score: 1

      me either. It's shit. -Kevin

  3. Ha-ha by kraf · · Score: 4, Informative

    if you appreciate the "humor" of UF, you'll love this

    1. Re:Ha-ha by mirko · · Score: 2, Informative

      I personally prefer the GFP-Comics... :-)

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      Trolling using another account since 2005.
    2. Re:Ha-ha by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 3, Funny

      thanks asshole, now I have to read through over a year's worth of archives when I should be doing work. Great job.

      I like how the Penguins just don't talk, LOL

      --
      [o]_O
    3. Re:Ha-ha by ckedge · · Score: 3, Funny

      thanks assholes, now they're slashdotted and I have to wait until tomorrow to read the archives. Great job.

      Interesting cartoon, LOL

  4. update? by Metaldsa · · Score: 0, Troll

    Is this the update that adds the funny?

    1. Re:update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should not have been modded down as flambait. That comment got a chuckle out of me. +1 Funny. If only I had mod points. Alas.

  5. Am I the only one? by decipher_saint · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Who dislikes User Friendly? I love web-comics like Penny-Arcade, Megatokyo, PvP, Diesel Sweeties, etc. I just don't find UF funny OR interesting in any way. Some of the early stuff was pretty good, but there are a lot of better comics to read online or otherwise.

    Remember this is just my opinion, I'm not trolling you if you happen to like UF.

    --
    crazy dynamite monkey
    1. Re:Am I the only one? by kylus · · Score: 2

      I suppose it's all a matter of opinion. Having been a tech-support person in the past, I -really- appreciate the UF comics that poke fun at things like user support and other things that can cause techies to go postal. I don't find every comic funny but there are some that are always worth revisiting ('PEBKAC' comes to mind) when you're on the phone trying to explain to somewhere where their 'Any' key is located. ;)

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      --Kylus
      Idiot-proof something, and Life will build a better Idiot.
    2. Re:Am I the only one? by tomknight · · Score: 2
      You like what you like - I happen to like UF. The world would be pretty dull if everyone liked the same stuff.

      Tom.

      --
      Oh arse
    3. Re:Am I the only one? by JimPooley · · Score: 2

      Who dislikes User Friendly?

      I do. I find it even less funny than Dilbert...

      --

      "Information wants to be paid"
    4. Re:Am I the only one? by Idarubicin · · Score: 2, Funny
      The world would be pretty dull if everyone liked the same stuff.

      Yes, because cultural homogenization never occurs...thank heavens for that.

      1. Decide that everyone should like the same stuff.

      2. ...

      3. Open a GAP.

      4. Profit!

      Wait...someone already did that. Sigh. Maybe it's not too late to patent the business method.

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      ~Idarubicin
    5. Re:Am I the only one? by CaseyB · · Score: 2

      Penny Arcade had their own take on User Friendly.

    6. Re:Am I the only one? by williamhooper · · Score: 1
      Wait...someone already did that. Sigh. Maybe it's not too late to patent the business method.

      Since when has someone already doing it been a problem with patenting an idea?

      Or are you not from the good old USA?

    7. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      look, a patent joke! you should write for user friendly! HILARITY!

      die.

    8. Re:Am I the only one? by Bilestoad · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. User Friendly just isn't funny, not even witty. The writing is uninspired and the art just isn't strong enough to carry it.

      The only funny strips involving User Friendly were done by Penny Arcade.

    9. Re:Am I the only one? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, you're not. I even used to be on the mailing list. At some point, I realized that the strip was terrible. If you're going to draw a comic strip, you should either be able to draw, or tell a story (or a joke, or whatever). Illiad can't do any of it.

      And Bob is my hero. I wish *I* were an Angry Flower.

    10. Re:Am I the only one? by suffocate · · Score: 1

      User Friendly is the most unfunny comic in the history of the universe. It's even less funny than Pupkin

    11. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the next version of Slashcode, could we have a feature to automatically moderate any posts with "Profit!" as Troll or Redundant? Thanks.

    12. Re:Am I the only one? by Skyshadow · · Score: 2
      Great!! Maybe you can help us out.

      Can you explain why you like UF (and I understand that we can't always explain why we like what we like)? I've seen "UF sux" and "UF rulz" posts, but no elaboration from the "rulz" camp.

      --
      Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
    13. Re:Am I the only one? by br0ken+by+design · · Score: 1

      Yeah, UF is all the same recycled 'linux rules' wanking over and over and over and over and over.
      A rotting corpse is funnier than UF.
      Penny Arcade, on the other hand, rules...I mean, how can you not love stuff like "Fruit Fucker 2000"?

      I just wish the space moose guy would start making new strips.
      There just aren't enough comic strips with sodomy as a central theme.

      :wq

      --
      One ring to rule them all. The (_O_) in Goatse.cx
    14. Re:Am I the only one? by tomknight · · Score: 2
      Explaining why something's funny is hard - I won't even try.

      Okay, why does UF appeal to me in general?

      • The humour's my kind - often dry, often ironical.
      • I can identify with many of the situations - oh boy, can I just...
      • The cartoon's topical - this works both on the day, and in retrospect.
      The quality is variable (IMO), but that's normally because the subject's not something I'm so interested in or sypathetic towards. Having said that, the recent series (AD&D)playing) had bored me, and I still have fond memories of the game...

      Yes, it's difficuilt to say why I like it, but I've had a stab!

      What I find interesting are the people who insist on saying UF is shite... If they really hate it, and if they aren't willing to have an open mind on the subject, why read this review?

      Tom.

      --
      Oh arse
    15. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had a quick look. Did loads of random selections. After about looking at 20 comic strips from UF my conclusion is thus:

      Crock of Shit.

    16. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, not as central theme, but...scatologically close to
      sexy losers

    17. Re:Am I the only one? by Claric · · Score: 1

      User Friendly has been pretty dire the last two or three months. Pitr becoming a proper evil genius had great promise but was a huge let down. The topical jokes are not funny and the artwork is terrible.

      Having said that I have the first three User Friendly books and they are great.

      C

      --
      There's no problem that cannot be solved with a suitable amount of high explosives
    18. Re:Am I the only one? by thomas.galvin · · Score: 1

      What I find interesting are the people who insist on saying UF is shite... If they really hate it, and if they aren't willing to have an open mind on the subject, why read this review?

      Consult the jargon file.

    19. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blasphemy!!

    20. Re:Am I the only one? by jjoyce · · Score: 2

      The thing I dislike about UF is that not only is it not funny, it tries to get its laughs by making fun of people who aren't in the know about computers and other "geek" topics. Many of us know someone who uses some unix variant and walks with an air of superiority and condescension because of that. UF is just that person in comic form.

    21. Re:Am I the only one? by madenosine · · Score: 1

      I have never heard of one person who dislikes Dilbert and understands it (until now?).

    22. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, a blasphemer! Let's burn him!!

    23. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea! Bring back space moose!

      Now *that* was funny.

    24. Re:Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Many of us know someone who uses some unix variant and walks with an air of superiority and condescension because of that. UF is just that person in comic form.



      No, Linux Zealot is that person in comic form :-)


      Check it out, I know, it is adequacy.org but it won't bite you.

    25. Re:Am I the only one? by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

      I agree. It's just about pro-Linux and anti-Microsoft propaganda. But if you like that kind of thing fine. My opinion is that it doesn't really have that much intelligent insight or creativity on any subject. I do find it amazing that he was able to make his comics marketable though.

    26. Re:Am I the only one? by mewse · · Score: 1

      I'd say that Ozy and Millie's take on web comics is definitely worth a read. This plotline continues for the next several days, but is well summarised by the linked strip.

      Ozy and Millie is undoubtedly my favourite web comic (Sorry, Pete!).. and one of only two that I keep up to date with, these days.

    27. Re:Am I the only one? by Fesh · · Score: 2

      Wow. Another fan of Le Fleur Fâchée. Who would have thought it? Props, dude.

      --
      --Fesh
      Kill -9 'em all, let root@localhost sort 'em out.
    28. Re:Am I the only one? by hawk · · Score: 2

      >Many of us know someone who uses some unix variant
      >and walks with an air of superiority and
      >condescension because of that.


      NO, you still don't understand. We're not condescending because of what *we* do, but what because of the silly stuff you little people do and use. Face it, we *are* superior :)


      But if you send a SASE, I'll send you a nickle to buy a real computer.


      hawk

    29. Re:Am I the only one? by jjoyce · · Score: 2

      Well I never said I didn't use it myself. :)

  6. Am I the only one .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. that does not find User Friendly to be all that funny? The stupid geek stereotypes need to go, along with the racism (hackneyed accents for characters like Pitr) and the sexism. There may have been a few UF strips that brought a semblance of a grin to my face, but they were very few and far in between. Certainly this strip is not deserving of most of the praise that the average /. reader gives it.

    1. Re:Am I the only one .. by Rahga · · Score: 1

      I don't think that User Friendly uses racisim and sexism, at least not the way that I would define it. Both of those terms deal with discrimination and superiority issues... rather, what User Friendly deals with are character traits and occasionally uses them for comedic effect.

      The deal with Pitr is hardly racist. He is a perfect fit among the cast, except for the fact that his native language is russian. If I went down to Mexico City and tried to use my 2 years of Spanish training in high school to communicate, I'm sure plenty of people would laugh. That's not racist. That just a reaction from witnessing the way an outsider tries to grasp the finer and more bizarre points of your own language.

      Just now I realized I responed to an AC. So I'll stop now.

    2. Re:Am I the only one .. by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1

      You are right, I have shown UF to some Russian techies (in the city of Pitr I) and they find it funny and just love Pitr.

    3. Re:Am I the only one .. by filth+grinder · · Score: 5, Informative

      Umm, Pitr's native language ISN'T Russian. He is a poser. Go back through the archives. He started out as just a normal English speaking Canadian. Then he got the Evil Geniuses for Dummies book and decided he wanted to be an evil genius and adopted a psuedo Russian accent. The comic actually referenced that when Pitr went up in space in a Russian rocket and annoyed the real Russian with his fake accent.

    4. Re:Am I the only one .. by yuggoth · · Score: 3, Informative

      The deal with Pitr is hardly racist. He is a perfect fit among the cast, except for the fact that his native language is russian.

      No it isn't - Pitr is a native english speaker who thinks that to become an evil overlord, one must speak with a russian accent. He doesn't understand russian at all. (oh gawd, not that strip...)

      --
      Cthulhu fhtagn!
    5. Re:Am I the only one .. by ilsa · · Score: 1

      Da. The Comick you are lookink for is here. Enjoy your plannink for world domination.

      --
      -- I Am Not A Terrorist.
    6. Re:Am I the only one .. by SpacePunk · · Score: 1, Troll

      "The stupid geek stereotypes need to go, along with the racism (hackneyed accents for characters like Pitr) and the sexism. "

      You, coward, need to buy a sense of humor. You 'nerf and sanitize the world' assholes need to just fuck off. Go back to lollypop land with the other touch-feely liberal fucks.

    7. Re:Am I the only one .. by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Actually, I think he's from California.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    8. Re:Am I the only one .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh, what an intelligent and insightful response.

      You, sir, have just waived your right to ever complain again about how right-wingers are portrayed by normal people as stupid, unimaginative, and rancorous.

    9. Re:Am I the only one .. by SpacePunk · · Score: 2

      Unlike you, sir, at least I have a personality.

    10. Re:Am I the only one .. by Wobbly+Bob · · Score: 1

      At least his brother, Dark Side Dave is.

  7. No-brainer purchase? by Xentor · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "This title is not presently stocked by Barnes & Noble. A used copy of this title may be available. Check availability from our network of book dealers"

    --
    "The amount of intelligence on this planet is a constant. The population is growing." -Cole's Axiom
    1. Re:No-brainer purchase? by Cy+Guy · · Score: 2

      Yeah its a special order item from Amazon too, though they do stock the original book and the sequals The Root of All Evil and Evil Geniuses in a Nutshell.

      In fact I used ISBN.nu to do Internet-wide search of online book stores, and they only list the Amazon special order as far as availability. Even Amazon Canada (User Friendly being a Canadian strip) doesn't have it in their database.

  8. Imagine a beowulf cluster of UF comics by haedesch · · Score: 0, Insightful

    It'd be the most unfunny thing in the universe

    Seriously, I really don't get what the fuss is about UF.
    btw, the entire content of that article can be summed up as: http://www.somethingawful.com/guides/comics/comic- uf-after.gif

    1. Re:Imagine a beowulf cluster of UF comics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insightful??

      Throw in a goatse.cx link in and mod it to +5....

      This moderator must be gay! Or hungry!

    2. Re:Imagine a beowulf cluster of UF comics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of UF comics

      It'd be the most unfunny thing in the universe


      That's why the UF abbreviation is appropriate - UnFunny.

      Seriously. Bryant Gumbel is funnier than UF.

    3. Re:Imagine a beowulf cluster of UF comics by suffocate · · Score: 1

      open the link in a new window. Lowtax doesn't like the slashdot crowd. With good reason.

  9. I never really liked this cartoon by cruise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It just seems to play off off whatever the current geek topic is.. It's sort of like a poorly done dilbert.

    But hay, We have "artists" local to daytona making money off of the crap they produce too. Someone must think it's funny, or artistic, or somehow homoerotic or something.

    1. Re:I never really liked this cartoon by tomknight · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It just seems to play off off whatever the current geek topic is..
      ...and there's something wrong with being topical?

      It's sort of like a poorly done dilbert.
      ...only Dilbert rarely manages to relate to anything that's actually happening (except for w.r.t. my office politics, where it's scarily accurate!).

      Tom.

      --
      Oh arse
    2. Re:I never really liked this cartoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has more hope in it than Dilbert. Dilbert is just sad.

    3. Re:I never really liked this cartoon by sbuckhopper · · Score: 2

      > It just seems to play off off whatever the
      > current geek topic is.. It's sort of like a
      > poorly done dilbert.

      I read both dilbert and uf. In my opinion there are differences between them. Dilbert is aimed more at making fun of businesses and the stupid things that business do for the sake of business (usually done by showing how smart and geeky engineers are) and UF is aimed at making fun of geeks in good fun.

      Although there is some overlap where a dilbert will be all about geeks for the sake of geekiness, it is aimed more at making fun of business (read Scott Adams's books and you'll see this).

      --
      "Everybody knows the moon's made of cheese," Wallace.
    4. Re:I never really liked this cartoon by efuseekay · · Score: 1

      >..only Dilbert rarely manages to relate to anything that's actually happening (except for w.r.t. my office politics, where it's scarily accurate!).

      Bingo.

      --
      Mode (3) smart-aleck mode. Press * to return to main menu.
  10. The Archive by tomknight · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I recently re-read the series, from the beginning (up to May this year, when it all started to get too close to today). Here's the link to the archive - but beware - this can really screw up your productivity!

    UF is not as amusing as it has been, but it's generally nice, intelligent and witty. What more do you need?

    One of the best strips was from September last year

    Tom.

    --
    Oh arse
    1. Re:The Archive by gowen · · Score: 1
      but beware - this can really screw up your productivity!
      Indeed it can.

      You'll spend the rest of your day showing the strips to your co-workers and saying: "Is this supposed to be funny?"

      --
      Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
    2. Re:The Archive by gazbo · · Score: 0

      In what way was that the best strip?

    3. Re: The Archive by Antity · · Score: 2

      One of the best strips was from September last year [userfriendly.org]

      This one hadn't anything to do with the whole UserFriendly story. If this really is your favorite, you're not a fan of UserFriendly.

      --
      42. Easy. What is 32 + 8 + 2?
    4. Re:The Archive by tomknight · · Score: 2
      In what way was that the best strip?

      Emotion.
      This helped me see the human level of what happened that day, people were looking at news footage, exclaiming about the physical aspects of the attack, the revenge that must take place, showing their anger, and this cut though all of that.
      It hurt.

      I know this is hardly exactly coherant, but this still brings tears to my eyes.

      Tom.

      --
      Oh arse
    5. Re:The Archive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he finally took a break from the tired "LOOK! A comic about UNIX!" joke and instead went for melodramatic sentimentality. It was a breath of, well, stale air.

    6. Re: The Archive by tomknight · · Score: 2
      I see what you're saying - what I mean is that here the cartoonist reached out and touched me in a way I haven't experienced before. This was the single most emotional cartoon I've experienced. Now, I am a great UF fan, but none of the strips did as much for me as that one. Otherwise I'd say the AJ "Love letter to you" to Miranda strip was fantastic. The hope, the pain, the irony. Superb, beautifully topical.

      Tom.

      --
      Oh arse
    7. Re: The Archive by haa...jesus+christ · · Score: 0, Troll

      shut up. idiot.

    8. Re:The Archive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oooh, that comic was soooo sensitive.

    9. Re:The Archive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you're one of the cunts who started shouting "let's kill the Arabs" then... You know, some people go a step or two beyond stupid - but they'll never catch up with you.

    10. Re:The Archive by nomadic · · Score: 2

      UF is not as amusing as it has been, but it's generally nice, intelligent and witty. What more do you need?

      In a comic strip? How about ART?

    11. Re: The Archive by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      You are correct. This is a nice strip, and very touching. As a matter of fact, I have one of the commemorative copies hanging on my wall in a nice silver frame.

      --
      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
    12. Re:The Archive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God DAMN that sucked.

  11. No success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried to install user friendly's distro on my home machine (Celeron 1GHz) but no joy. I'm sticking with Red Hat.

  12. Re:FP by gazbo · · Score: 0
    Let's be honest, UF blows goats. I mean it - everyone is expected to find it funny, and thinks they find it funny, but I have seen maybe one strip ever that was even worth reading.

    Go read Dilbert for christ's sake. UF is just an extremely low quality rip-off of Dilbert anyway.

  13. On drawing women... by Rahga · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd love to know what illiad and other "known" artist/toonists/etc. think about drawing women... in specific, how to deal with the women around them who feel the need to comment and critique they way you draw the female figure (in all it's forms, of course... this was added to destroy the inevitable "female figure? there's not just one!" replies).

    Heck, maybe it's just bad memories of 6th grad art class when you are forced to draw sketches of your classmates, and you felt obligated to draw in a turtleneck sweater and jacket just so you could avoid the topic of their breasts altogether. However, I imagine that most comic artists and 3d-modelers for modern video games have to put up with a fair ammount of ribbing about how large or small they create figures for their characters.

    1. Re:On drawing women... by Tantrum420 · · Score: 1
      I'd love to know what illiad and other "known" artist/toonists/etc. think about drawing women... in specific, how to deal with the women around them who feel the need to comment and critique they way you draw the female figure (in all it's forms, of course... this was added to destroy the inevitable "female figure? there's not just one!" replies).

      Heck, maybe it's just bad memories of 6th grad art class when you are forced to draw sketches of your classmates, and you felt obligated to draw in a turtleneck sweater and jacket just so you could avoid the topic of their breasts altogether. However, I imagine that most comic artists and 3d-modelers for modern video games have to put up with a fair ammount of ribbing about how large or small they create figures for their characters.

      Heh... There's an answer for that, too. (Thanks Barry!) Angst Technologies

      T

    2. Re:On drawing women... by K. · · Score: 2

      I used to draw pictures of nekkid women and sell them to my hornier schoolmates. This predated the Interweb and was in possibly the most backward part of Ireland, so I had a monopoly on the blurry porn industry. It was great.

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    3. Re:On drawing women... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      You know Scott Adams the author of dilbert took this topic up. He apparently gets all kinds of letters complaining about stereotypical women.

      So one day he made the opposite woman - it lasted for about a week (I only ever saw it in the book where he made the commentary). This was a woman who was big and brawny, and enjoying doing "male" things like taking apart stuff to see how it works.

      The letters kept poring in. He found that no matter what you do there's no pleasing anyone.

    4. Re:On drawing women... by Wobbly+Bob · · Score: 1

      Yeah, he used to get complaints about Tina the Timid Tech Writer, so he created Antina. The best Antina quote: "Hey, is anybody up for some math?"

  14. UF is awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dammit I am an anonymous coward today, I forget my password since its not saved onmy computer anymore :(

    Oh well, anyway I just wanted to post my belief that UF is the most-unfunny(not least funny cause that would indicate that there was some degree of "funny" present) comic I have ever read (next to ziggy).
    Now Penny Arcade or Real Life, thems real comics.

  15. UF is too banal by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Insightful
    UF, by and large, sticks to the obvious jokes that we (as geeks) were making ten years ago. I'm sorry, but it was funny when I was 15 and it was new, but now I just don't see why people like it so much. MS jokes, D&D jokes, geek social jokes, but none of it at all original.

    I bought the first book (the O'Reilly one), but that's pretty much all I could take. I *wanted* to like it, but it just doesn't work for me. When I stumbled across Sluggy Freelance, I traded.

    Can someone explain the attraction to UF? I just don't get it.

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    1. Re:UF is too banal by FortKnox · · Score: 2

      When I stumbled across Sluggy Freelance, I traded.

      My personal favorite webcomic that everyone should read from the start. Go here and start all the way at the beginning. Its geeky and very funny with INCREDIBLE stories.

      It filled the void left by "Calvin and Hobbes" for me

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    2. Re:UF is too banal by (H)olyGeekboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can someone explain the attraction to UF? I just don't get it.

      I take thirty seconds to read UF every day, but I'm a leech otherwise. I don't read the discussion boards, I don't read the link of the day, and I don't buy merchandise.

      What you want to do to gain insight on who "participates" in UF: read about 5 days worth of discussion threads.

      This shows you who the "UF community" is... a bunch of unimaginative, generally unsociable geeks who trade repetative inside jokes and whine about how they are REALLY SMART AND NICE but other people don't understand them, and they are having a really hard time because their mom is in the hospital, and oh I hope she feels well, me too, ME TOO, me also, *hug*, etc. ETC. AD NAUSEUM. There is a random hit or two discussing the strip, but it's usually explaining the english to someone on a different continent.

      So while I'm a "fan" of the strip, because it is a fair attempt at capturing humor at the ISP workplace and in the tech sector at large; the community eludes me because, humility aside, I have a life. Good for these people if this is what they want to do, but none of them seem genuinely satisfied with their lives, and I will continue to sit here and shake my head while "Mike Burns, your company's computer guy" and "Miss lonely and insecure" continue to try to find work and/or romance via the "community" at UF.org.

      Sorry to be blunt, but that is my opinion. I'm sure yours is probably different.

    3. Re:UF is too banal by tomknight · · Score: 1, Redundant
      Dare I say it....?

      ME TOO!

      Yes, that was an attempt at humour, but I really am "me too"-ing as well. The discussion boards used to be a place where the cartoon was discussed, at least some of the time, but now they really are tedious, and I really did fel nauseated the last time I read one. Having said that, I do still love the cartoon...

      Tom.

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    4. Re:UF is too banal by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Problem is they've tried desperately to base a "community" on a simple webcomic, and it's just too thin to do that. I mean, why not base a "community" around a brand of oatmeal, or TV Guide, or another piece of life's minutae?

    5. Re:UF is too banal by (H)olyGeekboy · · Score: 0

      Of course it is flamebait; it's the truth, and it's on-topic.

    6. Re:UF is too banal by Kickstart70 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm the head mod over at the UF Community boards, so I figured I'd better respond to this (well, I could have ignored it, but that would be no fun at all).

      Every once in a while someone comes in and says something akin to: "WTF? Why are you losers talking about shiat other than the strip?". The inevitable response is: The Comment Board is NOT for talking about the strip! Sure, you can talk about the strip if you want to, no one is going to tell you otherwise, but there is NO REQUIREMENT to do so. The Comment Board is just a place where people can interact with other members of the community in a place that is -for the community-.

      This simple idea evades the people who arrive there and expect hundreds of responses saying, "Illiad, nice job!" or "Illiad, you suck!". Can you possibly imagine how boring and stupid that would be?

      As for the 'support' posts...it's a community. There are people on there who've been talking for years, who've met in real life, and a few who have dated or even married after communicating on the UF board. If someone in this community wants to talk about something or get a little encouragement from other people who want to give that encouragement, then what the heck is wrong with that? It's not for you, and you don't have to respond. You don't even have to read it.

      If you don't find something you want on the UF board...that's a shame, but it's not the end of the world. Certainly there are enough places among the terabytes of internet bulletin boards for you to find one that suits your temperament. I personally hope you find one. You can even go ahead and slag the UF board there if you want. The people who make the UF board what it is will continue to do what they enjoy - namely, what they've been doing all along.

      Thanks for dropping by,

      Kickstart

    7. Re:UF is too banal by (H)olyGeekboy · · Score: 1

      If you don't find something you want on the UF board...that's a shame, but it's not the end of the world. Certainly there are enough places among the terabytes of internet bulletin boards for you to find one that suits your temperament. I personally hope you find one. You can even go ahead and slag the UF board there if you want. The people who make the UF board what it is will continue to do what they enjoy - namely, what they've been doing all along.

      Kickstart, thanks for taking the time to reply. My rant is... yeah, it looks like it has coalesced into some sort of disjointed community; but what fun is a community of homeless people built on top of a toxic waste dump?

      I met a girl online, via a mailing list "community" for a music group, in 1995. She saw something relevent that I had posted and emailed me personally. (We've been married for six years now.) I dumped that mailing list in 1996 when it became obvious that on-topic posts were less than 10% of the content, and when I look at the web archives of that mailing list today, nothing has changed. People around the world, sobbing about lost loves and sad lives. Celebratign when they get the 50 cent increase at work.

      If you think that this sort of community experience has a place, well, you and I can politely disagree on this one. But at least detach it from the relevent, "legitimate" discussion forum for the webcomic. I prefer not to hear the "Days of Our Lives" stories from 20 and 30-somethings who have not matured past 15 emotionally.

    8. Re:UF is too banal by caffine-iv · · Score: 1

      Who sais we base the community off the strip? There's LOTS of times (like, daily) where I spent a good hour or two in Illiways talking to SaleGamine or plblark before I even read teh comic! And as far as basing one around TV Guide, or oatmeal, or some other piece of life, that's what the different threads are for. We have Kickstart's Bazar for buy/sell/trade agreements, we have Illiways for general goodmorning chat, and sure enough, when something hits hte news we have a TLP that usually provides a link straight to it! Just like this bit of news. *shrugs* I dunno, I don't find it based on a comic strip at all, and I've been an avid reader for over a year :)

    9. Re:UF is too banal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you are not into social interaction on message boards. But a community isn't built by discussing only the on-topic stuff. And where can you find a better concentration of ufies to socially interact with than the message boards?

  16. No, there are others by doc_traig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've tried to like this strip more, since I understand all of the material that makes this the kind of strip that needs to be online and not in the newspaper. Unfortunately, most of the time recognizing the industry humor is the only feeling I have coming away from it -- in other words, not much.

    I grew up wanting to be a cartoonist and was a huge fan of strips like Peanuts, Bloom County, and even Doonesbury. I've laughed many times at those and others you'd find in the paper, and I find that I prefer humor with a broader appeal than stuff that's supposed to be funny only because it's an inside joke.

    - DDT

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    1. Re:No, there are others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have thought any geek who liked Bloom County and Doonesbury would love UF. BC + DB +IT = UF.

    2. Re:No, there are others by elmegil · · Score: 1

      You must not have given it much of a shot. Certainly there are the days when the punchline is just an inside joke, and I have to explain it to my wife. But a lot of the time, she likes it just as much as me without the explanation, and she's a daily reader too. Did I mention she's not "in the industry"?

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    3. Re:No, there are others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you got that formula slightly wrong.

      BC + DB + IT - WA* - SoH** - AA*** + SS****= UF

      *WA = Writing Ability

      **SoH = Sense of Humor

      ***AA = Artistic Ability

      ****SS = Self-Satisfaction

    4. Re:No, there are others by WowTIP · · Score: 2

      ...and was a huge fan of strips like Peanuts, Bloom County, and even Doonesbury. I've laughed...

      No, no, no! Why would you read all these comics, when Robotman (Monty) is (are?) the only comic(s) you will ever need? :)

      Jim Meddick for Statsminister! (or President, or Whatever...)

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    5. Re:No, there are others by Golias · · Score: 2
      I agree. It's kind of the IT grunt's answer to Dennis Miller.

      Don't get me wrong, Dennis Miller can, on occation, be funny... but the majority of his jokes are supposed to get this reaction:

      "He just made a nasty asside comment about the Secretary General of the UN's hairstyle! I didn't realize anybody else in America even knew who he was, let alone what his hair looks like! My god, he's really smart... just like me! Ahhh-hahahaha!"

      UF is kind of like that, only you don't need to be as worldly to catch the inside references in UF, because they are all super-obvious observations to anybody who ever worked a low-level job in IT.

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    6. Re:No, there are others by Pxtl · · Score: 2

      Actually, as a fellow bloom county/outland fan, I find that www.ozyandmillie.org has much the same style of wacky/cute/political critter humour. I recommend it for Bloom County fans.

    7. Re:No, there are others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (+1, Insightful)

  17. Re:If PA was like UF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not a troll btw. I'm just trying to be funny Thank god you don't have a webcomic.

  18. Agreed by isoteareth · · Score: 1

    I read it for a bit, but it was just the same handful of rather dull jokes again and again.

    Ha ha! Microsoft sucks! Ha ha! Users are stupid! Ha ha!

    Ha ha! Ha ha!

    I can see why that plays well with the crowd here though...

  19. UF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazing how a guy who doesn't know how to draw managed to make a career out of making painfully obvious "jokes" about anyone who doesn't run Linux.

  20. UF used to be funny by Your_Mom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (Disclaimer, I've been clean for about a year or two now)

    UF used to be part of my daily Webcomic reading habit, I remember spending close to an entire day reading the archives when I first read it. Then, about a year or two ago, it just stopped being funny. The storylines really just started getting into childish "Windows Sucks! Ha!". Honestly, I don't see how people can still read it.

    I have the first book, because there are some good storylines from the first few years, but after that it really started to go downhill. Now I read Sluggy Freelance and I feel much cleaner.

    For those who like Computer Comics I recomend Angst Technology and (whenever Jeff gets out of his "I want to be a /real/ artist and have a story arc" phase and begins to produce teh funny again) GPF Comics

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    1. Re:UF used to be funny by cford · · Score: 1

      The storylines really just started getting into childish "Windows Sucks! Ha!". Honestly, I don't see how people can still read it.

      And this is not a recurrent theme on /. ?

    2. Re:UF used to be funny by Prior+Restraint · · Score: 1
      The storylines really just started getting into childish "Windows Sucks! Ha!". Honestly, I don't see how people can still read it.

      And this is not a recurrent theme on /. ?

      Ha ha! Blessed inspriation! All UF needs is the ability to moderate the comics as "-1, Lame" or whatever, and then they'd be set.

    3. Re:UF used to be funny by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

      I think the story lines started to get too long. It seemed like if you missed a comic in the series you couldn't understand the context of the newer comics. My point is, the humor used isn't really that universal. It's even hard for me as a geek to relate to it :)

  21. Not at all funny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usefriendly just isn't funny. Does anyone really read that crap and laugh?

  22. Less Funny: Slashdot Comments about UF by jazman_777 · · Score: 2, Funny

    All the comments here about how unfunny UF is are even less funny than UF itself. So I go over to read UF to see how unfunny it is, and it looks like a feast of Oscar Wildean wit by comparison.

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  23. UF dull by earthpig · · Score: 1

    ok,
    i hadn't read it before. so i just spent a little time trying to get some background and nearly fell a sleep in the process.

    i didn't laugh and sometimes i couldn't even figure out what the lame attempt at a joke was.

    but the have three books?
    wierd

    1. Re:UF dull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i didn't laugh and sometimes i couldn't even figure out what the lame attempt at a joke was.

      I'm not too sure either.

      I think the biggest kick I get from the cartoon , is using the hand mouse pointer to make it look like their picking their nose. Then if I'm feeling particulary witty I make them pick their rear.

      And if I squint hard enough it looks like its giving them the finger.

      Sort of sums up the cartoon really, puerile.

  24. HURR HURR PENNY ARCADE = TEH FUNNAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    look, they said "fuck"
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date =2002-08 -16
    that's comedy gold right there. if you're a fucking idiot (look, I said fuck! I'm funny too! HAHAHAHAHAskjdahkjhas)

    die.

    1. Re:HURR HURR PENNY ARCADE = TEH FUNNAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, it's fucking funny, fucker.

    2. Re:HURR HURR PENNY ARCADE = TEH FUNNAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you 1337 liek JEFFK!!?

      No. YUO=FAG0RT. Also, LOWTXA=F0G

  25. Go SLUGGY!!!! by Hitch · · Score: 1

    I too, have User Friendly to thank for my sluggy freelance addiction (sluggy.com)
    I've actually gotten to the point where I *prefer* sluggy to User Friendly.
    They just finished a MAJOR story arc, so now is another good time to start reading. of course, if you start from the beginning (As with all internet comics) give them a litttle patience. They take a few weeks to get up to speed.

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  26. I laughed, I cried, I wept, I sighed. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2
    User Friendly looks like Funky Winkerbean meets Dilbert and has a kid who reads the Necronomicon, raises the corpse of Charles Shultz that marries Bill Keane and gives birth to an unholy creature that likes to scratch itself until it bleeds in the patterns approximating the strip you see.

    Like anything else, it's ok in small doses.

  27. PEBKAC! How funnny! Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    That means that the Problem Is Between the Keyboard and the Customers! LMAO!!!!

    Once someone at my work where I do support said error code ID-10-T! That spells out IDIOT if you make the 1 into I and the 0 into number O. HAH-HAH!

    And I am LMAO about like some1 thought that the CDROM was really a CUP HOLDER! (for four-inch cups!)And this other guy at my job how is a MSCSE said someone that called thought that the mouse was really a pedal for a sewing machine!

    Also, once some guy wrote a official document at the Government about cleaning the ball part of a computer mouse, but like he wrote an official looking document with big words and it made it look like it was really about cleeaning a mouse's T*ST*CLES! Get it? MOUSE B*LLS!

    Sometimes people have a problem but really they just forgot to plug in the power cord! And when we get off the phone we say "They should just take the comptuer back to the store in a box, beacuse they are 2 dumb to have a computer!"
    LMAO!
    LMAO!
    LMAO! :)
    THAT IS A SMILEY, IN CASE YOU ARE A NEWBIE!

  28. Sluggy Freelance by JasonMaggini · · Score: 1

    I personally SF has become less and less funny as it went along, and has been a chaotic mess as of late.
    I used to read it daily, and wasted an otherwise productive day reading the archives a while back, but have found myself going to the page less and less.

    Admittedly, UF hasn't been as funny lately, but its a lot more coherent and it is still on my morning "must-reads".

    No rip on Sluggy fans intended, that's just IMHO.

    1. Re:Sluggy Freelance by Pxtl · · Score: 2

      I agree - its much less humourous lately. I find a lot of webcomic authors do that - exploitation now, everything jake, mega tokyo. They all start out as "funny" then they get more and more stories - and the stories start getting serious.

      Megatokyo moves too slowly for its serious story, ditto EN. EJake has a bad tendancy to just give up and go written or half-assed for large comics, which is why I gave it up a year back.

      Sluggy is actually the only one where I *don't* mind when it gets dramatic. If its dramatic, Pete pulls out the stops and works his ass off to get the extra panels in at decent quality so he can properly tell the story at a good pace. But still, drama has killed a lot of good comics - remember when For Better or For Worse used to be funny? Sluggy still tells a joke once in a while - sometimes for a few panels even. It looks like they're getting back to jokes for a bit right now actually.

  29. User-Friendly is about as funny as an enema by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that is all

  30. I must get a life by anticypher · · Score: 2

    Lots of posters are posting links to their favorite web comics. Almost all of them are coming up as followed links in my browser.

    I gotta get a life

    the AC
    [oooohhh, shiny. A couple of fresh links I haven't seen before...^D]

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  31. Bob the Angry Flower by Mirk · · Score: 3, Informative
    ADVERT. You should be reading Bob the Angry Flower, a weekly strip so utterly wonderful that I can't begin to do it justice.

    Admittedly, Bob's more into giant robots and suchlike than computers and software, but hey - don't let that spoil your reading pleasure.

    (Oh, and he can punctuate, too!)

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    1. Re:Bob the Angry Flower by swordgeek · · Score: 2

      Heh. I went to University with the creator of BtAF, when it was just a local campus strip. Bad art, demented stories, and non-sequitors. Not bad for campus comics! :-)

      But now it's a comic with a near-cult following. I don't quite understand how that happened.
      Strange days.

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    2. Re:Bob the Angry Flower by Mirk · · Score: 1
      swordgeek, I can't find an email address for you, presumably due to spam-paranoia. Please could you email me on slashdot@miketaylor.org.uk

      (Apologies to anyone else who sees this, I know it's of no interest at all to anyone. I'd use my "-1" bonus to score this at zero if only there were such a thing! :-)

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  32. Funny by luserSPAZ · · Score: 1
    Pokey the Penguin!

    Way funnier than that UF stuff.

    1. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure! Except for the fact that it's unfunny and unintelligible.

  33. Banal by Skyshadow · · Score: 2
    Yeah, but those jokes have been done to *death*. It's just not funny anymore, just like the CD-tray-coffee-holder thing.

    The creation of the Dust Bunny character was original and showed some flash of promise, but since then it's just been a long, slow circle into more and more repetetive jokes.

    Now, Illiad has a web comic and I don't, so take my opinion for what it's worth, right? But I just can't stand UF anymore.

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    1. Re:Banal by Kierthos · · Score: 2, Informative

      You could at least make the effort to get it right.

      Repeat after me: Dust Puppy.

      And the Dust Puppy is popular enough to be in Quake.

      Kierthos

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    2. Re:Banal by CodeShark · · Score: 1
      Done to death but still can be funny to a support person.

      My personal best (where I was the tech support person on the call) is the stock broker on a legacy system that I told to "shift page down" to highlight some info on the screen: Here's the gist of the call:

      He replied "I don't have a page button down on my mouse."

      "Sir, are you using the mouse right handed or Left Handed"
      "Right"
      "Take your hand off the mouse, move it over the keyboard. Past the numbers. Look Down."
      "Oh. Page Down. Never saw that there before...what does that key do?"

      Good thing he isn't something important, like, say, an airline pilot or doctor, ya'think?

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  34. Superfluous recommendation of other comic strip by gowen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And its not sluggy-bastard-freelance, either. Try PhD, although I'd imagine the recognition factor of the comedy requires you to have done at least a few months in graduate school.

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  35. Slashodt User Friendly ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't seem to work out how to post a reply onto Slashdot under the pseudonym Anonymous Coward - Slashdot isn't very User Friendly to newbies, is it ?

  36. PA on UF by tuxedo-steve · · Score: 2
    PA has done a number of strips on UF, in fact... Tell it like it is, Gabe & Tycho, yeah! :)
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  37. Hey you distractors: Find something else to do!!! by swordgeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If. You. Don't. Like. User. Friendly. Then. Don't. Read. It.

    Simple enough for you?

    Some of us like it, through Illiad's strong and weak days.

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  38. Re:NOBODY CARES SHUT THE FUCK UP KTHXBYE by suffocate · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    word the fuck out.

  39. JeffK on UF by Kenshin · · Score: 1

    I think JeffK hit the nail right on the head when he said UF's target audience is a buncha nerds who will laugh at the lamest joke as long as it has the word "Linux" in it.

    Here's a joke guaranteed to raise howls of laughter:

    Why did the chicken cross the road?
    Because he wanted to use Linux!

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    1. Re:JeffK on UF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that was a pretty good joke.

  40. Damn skippy by Reverend+Raven · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Lowtax and Penny Arcade said it. Best. Fark 'um.

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  41. why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, not funny at all. Nowhere near the likes of Dilbert. Or even Peanuts. Being a computer professional and unix user, I've heard so many Microsoft-is-evil kinda jokes that its not funny anymore. But I never thought someone would actually write a 122 pages book repeating the same idea over and over and over and over again. A pathetic excuse of a comic book.

  42. my review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yes, it's a cliché, but it's true enough to be worth repeating: User Friendly is to the open-source world what Dilbert is to swarming hives of Windows cubicles. Set in an ISP company that keeps getting bought and sold, the constant remains a team of cynical, hilarious techies. M.B.A.s and marketers drift in and out, as do CEOs, often making statements like, "I can't surf the Web. I think the Internet is broken." For anyone who's dealt with similar situations, User Friendly is the ultimate in-joke.
    To be fair, the comic is pretty basic in layout and execution. No one will confuse this book with a graphic novel, since the visuals basically exist only to further the punch line. (Think of a stripped-down Bloom County and you're getting close.) Lots of the jokes involve goofy, clichéd rants about the beauty of Quake, Linux, and Star Wars--the holy trinity for a white, wired, 18-26 year-old male audience. But when the author, Illiad, nails the bloated bureaucracy that exists in the tech working world, it's a laugh-out-loud payoff. In one comic, a new "suit" walks into the tech den and asks, What's "one thing that makes your job difficult, and we'll see about eliminating that." The chorus erupts: "Meetings." The new boss replies: "Very good. Now let's spend a few hours discussing why meetings make you unproductive." A comic that tilts at windmills and Windows, it's clear why User Friendly has developed such a strong online cult following.

    1. Re:my review by hazyshadeofwinter · · Score: 1

      > In one comic, a new "suit" walks into the tech den and asks, What's "one thing that makes your job difficult, and we'll see about eliminating that." The chorus erupts: "Meetings." The new boss replies: "Very good. Now let's spend a few hours discussing why meetings make you unproductive."

      Sounds like Dilbert. As in EVERY SINGLE DILBERT EVER WRITTEN.

      Except the one where the PHB calls the code Dilbert's writing "Just a bunch of typing. And don't get me started on your over-use of semicolons."

      Mmm. Semicolons.

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  43. WHY UF Just Isn't Funny by al3x · · Score: 2

    User Friendly, for as long as I've been aware of it, hasn't been funny. Obviousy I'm not the only one here with these sentiments. But why?

    I believe it has something to do with the co-opting of geek culture. There's precious little difference between your average UF strip and any of the mediocre dead tree comics who made uninformed jokes about how much computers crash in your local paper's comics page. Most of their jokes aren't really that geeky - it seems like they simply pander to the wannabes, and there's nothing sadder than a wannabe geek. If you want some really geeky jokes, see the always-offensive Jerkcity for superb strips like this or this or even some of this.

    Typical computer/office humor gets old real fast, just like Dilbert did. But from what I can see, UF never even had the biting humor and that Dilbert's heydays can claim.

    1. Re:WHY UF Just Isn't Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in other words, it's not 1337 enough for you.
      pot. kettle. black.

  44. Yes, User Friendly is the /worst/! by Tom7 · · Score: 2

    I don't like most of the geek comics you list, I think because I feel like their brand of humor consists of merely mentioning things that geeks get excited about, like final fantasy and anime and japanese ^_^ smiley faces. Basically, I feel like these comics are underinspired comics that happen to be "geek" comics, but somehow that passes. (For the record, mixing in robots and indie rock does it for me with Diesel Sweeties, so I'm just as guilty...) But I'll definitely agree that User Friendly is the most tepid of them all; it just takes the most tired cheap-shots at Microsoft, or AOL, or people who don't know how to use computers, and the clip art isn't even fun to look at.

  45. Re:Hey you distractors: Find something else to do! by NonSequor · · Score: 2, Informative
    If. You. Don't. Like. User. Friendly. Then. Don't. Read. It.

    Simple enough for you?


    No. Simply being reminded that it exists makes me cringe. I will not rest until every last trace of it has been eradicated. Even after that, I'm going to need some intensive therapy to get over my memories of the time before I freed the world from the tyranny of that vile comic strip.

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  46. Nope........ just a matter of preference, though. by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 1

    Seems my tastes happen to coincide with your own -- PA, MegaTokyo, PvP, SinFest, (the now defunct?) Flem In Your Face!, Mac Hall and Dilbert are all what I consider to be great comics. I did try to read User Friendly for a while, since it seemed / seems to have quite a following amongst the `Dotters, but its crude artwork and fairly straightforward topics never seemed to inspire much in the way of laughter, internal or external.

    Then again, it seems that it's popular with a significant number of people, so more power to em. As long as it makes you laugh........

  47. Those aren't feet on Crud Puppy by gaudior · · Score: 2

    Those are the severed hands of a Microsoft Programmer.

  48. Re:Less Funny: Slashdot Comments about UF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait - I get it - you were trying to be funny.

  49. Here's why some don't find it funny by SpacePunk · · Score: 0, Troll

    It's simply because UF is full of 'in' jokes that the pimply faced, pseudo-grunge wearing, Linux posing, live at home college kids that can't and won't ever get laid won't get because they have never held a real job and most likely never will hold a real job.

    Let's face it. The poseurs that run rampant on Slashdot try to re-define being a geek into a homosexual extravaganza of bad anime, Linux, polyester, bad breath, worse hygiene, neo-liberalism, paganism, atrociously apparent trolls, etc... All so they can call themselves 'geeks' and have something to write home about from their crap filled college dorm. It's as bad as the 'goth' wannabes running around pretending their vampires or S&M afficionados, and the pseudo-satanists that scream out 'hail satan'.

    In their pathetic attempt to be different, they simply manage to achieve a common mediocrity.

    Of course I'll be modded down by the first pathetic wannabe with mod points, but what the hell... some things just have to be said.

  50. Dustbunny at Comdex by Kenshin · · Score: 2

    Actually, a couple of years ago at Comdex Toronto, some Linux booth had some guy dressed in an actual Dustbunny costume as a promotional tool. ("Tool" being the key word.)

    I thought to myself "It just might be worth being barred from Comdex for life just to go over there and kick the tar out of him..."

    But then my train of thought was derailed by another booth giving away free squishy toys.

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    Does it make you happy you're so strange?

  51. Re:Less Funny: Slashdot Comments about UF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, and I suppose you were trying to be sarcastic? Well try again, dipshit.

  52. Sarcasm! How funnny! Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think you think these jokes are funny, you are probably just sarcastic. Good for you that your humour has evolved beyond the one we mortals have to live with.

    First your self satisfied arrogance annoyed me a little, but then I thought better of it. I saw the reason for you not enjoying these jokes. The reason? You were always the brunt of these kind of jokes? And the practical ones? Right? ...

    Thought so.

  53. Re:Nope........ just a matter of preference, thoug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flem isn't dead, it recently moved, but it is still there.

  54. There I have to agree. by uberred · · Score: 1

    Sluggy Freelance used to be hilarious (the time machine strips especially) but it seems to have gone downhill as of late... All the Oasis stuff doesn't seem to be quite as funny as good ol' fashioned Bun Bun running around and railing on everyone... :)

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  55. UF is too much like the office (n/t) by samgaffer · · Score: 1

    I need a break.

  56. Holy shit Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy fucking shit!

    1. Re:Holy shit Batman! by adamy · · Score: 1

      Approprioate Response:
      Fuck You, Robin

      And my favorite:

      Gee, Batman, CLimibing up these walls is really easy when they turn the Camera Sideways.

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  57. UF has lost relevance by ccontrol · · Score: 0

    I really enjoyed UF. In fact, I bought the first two UF books.

    However, as you may remember, September 11 had User Friendly caught in a nuclear rocket silo. Sure, that was a coincidence, but it really displays how hideously out-of-touch UF has become. Not quite unlike a Michael Jackson album, UF has lost relevance. And not quite unlike an MJ album, individual ideas still shine...

    1. Re:UF has lost relevance by LPetrazickis · · Score: 1

      I liked the nuclear rocket silo story. The Erwin Lego Mech was cool. I didn't like the two weeks of boring post-September 11th strips. There are only that many times that I can stand watching AJ hug DP.

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  58. Thus illustrating what I don't like about... by chigaze · · Score: 1

    Penny Arcade.

    Criticism of another successful strip strikes me as crass. Whether he finds UF funny or not is irrelevant, lots of people apparently find it funny enough to make it a success.

    There are lots of popular things I never got (like The Matrix) but I don't hold that against anyone.

  59. Whatever dude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just don't understand why none of you can understand the concept of "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T READ IT." Soooo, you all whine about how bad the cartoon and its community suck.

    "...a bunch of unimaginative, generally unsociable geeks who trade repetative inside jokes and whine about how they are REALLY SMART AND NICE but other people don't understand them" seems also to apply to the Slashdot community.

    Sorry to be blunt, but that's *my* opinion... I'm sure yours is different and therefore wrong. :P

  60. What User Friendly distro? by uberred · · Score: 1

    There never was one... It got noised around a bit, but it never actually happened.

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    Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --Ford Prefect
  61. Unfortunately, you're not. by uberred · · Score: 1

    Just so you know. :P

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  62. Re:Whatever dude... NO WAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are VERY IMAGINATIVE. Where do you think k-rad names like "Micro$not Windoze" come from!

    I'm forgetting something...

    oh yeah. Linux RULEZ!

  63. Are you insane? What a crock of crap! by Naruki · · Score: 1

    Next thing you'll tell us that your readers are so lame and stupid as to propose to each other in your forums! How pathetic is... Oh, wait. Didn't that already happen here?

    1. Re:Are you insane? What a crock of crap! by Kickstart70 · · Score: 1

      Didn't happen on UF...but I DO seem to remember it happening on Slashdot, yes.

      Kickstart

    2. Re:Are you insane? What a crock of crap! by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      No just some dork announcing getting married on UF, what was his name again?

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  64. UF is successful because of good marketing by Broccolist · · Score: 2
    It's deeply ironic that UF spends so much time blasting "marketing" types, because marketing is the only reason the strip got off the ground in the first place.

    As most people agree, UF is poorly drawn, unoriginal, and unfunny garbage. So how come anybody reads it? Simple: Illiad chose a underrepresented market segment --- techie types --- figured out a list of topics they like to see, and proceeded to pander to them as much as possible. Marketing-oriented business at its finest, in the tradition of Harlequin romance novels. But I don't think Illiad is even aware of his hypocrisy.

  65. Perhaps not for everyone describes it well? by pecosdave · · Score: 2, Informative

    Thanks mostly to range of topics covered by the comic strip the base of UserFriendly regulars stretches across almost every profession (mostly white collar) to almost every skill level. This introduces quite a range of topics. Granted technology is usually right on top, but people from medical, political, legal, and about every other camp are present as well.

    This doesn't set well with some people, especially those looking for a specialized group. I personally like the diversity of the boards. Where else can someone ask an HTML question and get five friendly answers telling them five different ways to solve their problem without getting flamed for not having bought a book or knowing a particular basic in one thread, while a conversation about the Bill of Rights being ignored is going on in another? This "Lack of focus" is hard for some people but to me it builds a warmer atmosphere.

    I'm not going to say my boards better than your board, it's not. I like my board better than I like your board but that doesn't mean it's better. Everyone has a different opinion of what they like. I like to browse /. and the Register for all types of technology news, I browse the Cruel Site of the Day to feel synacal and feed my twisted side, and I hang out on UserFriendly because the wide range of people there bring me to interesting stories that I would have never found sticking to boards that were only focused on one subject. Some people aren't intersted in news outside of their area of focus, personally I'm curious about just about everything and UserFriendly feeds that curiousity. I like the way /. has pictures next to the headline to denote which part of the tech industry each TLP covers, that concept wont work on UserFriendly, we could never come up with enough pictures to cover all the subjects we cross, but yes if we tried personal mushy stuff and hugs would be amoung the first subjects with pictures.

    As others have said if you don't like it don't fscking read it. I'm not going to say that, I'm going to say drop in and check it out when you feel like it. If you've got a question about anything and don't know where to post it try us, if we can't help we can probably tell you who can. I read the comic for a couple of years before I ever posted, the only reason I started reading the boards was the extream slowdown news sites experienced during 9/11 and I wanted to try to stay up on the news. I knew enough about the boards to know it had a global community so I started watching UF and /. since CNN wasn't going to happen. I'm glad I did, I found out what was going on a lot easier that way since I didn't have access to a radio or TV while I was at work and the bandwidth was killed by everyone else trying to get webcast.

    Just my brain dump, not trying to change your opinion about the board, but please don't think of us as a bunch of uneducated clowns.

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  66. Re:Hey you distractors: Find something else to do! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't mean they can't make negative comments about it. You didn't intend to restrict free speech do you?

  67. Re:WHY??? Why oh why oh why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with you.

  68. *fapfapfap* by br0ken+by+design · · Score: 1

    Hahah...I didn't know that strip was still around.
    Didn't he stop doing it for a while cause some psycho ex-girlfriend accused him of sexual assualt or something?
    I seem to remeber the site went down a couple times, sometimes for a month or more.

    :wq

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  69. Re:Less Funny: Slashdot Comments about UF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No he was sincere when he said the parent post was trying to be funny. Not sarcastic at all.

  70. Re:Hey you distractors: Find something else to do! by swordgeek · · Score: 2

    Ah well, that's different then! Carry on.

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  71. Jumped the Shark by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2

    I used to like it. It was the first online comic I ever read, and I'm glad it was there because it introduced me to a whole new creative world. But over the past couple of years it's gotten really stale and there are many, many other webcomics I read that are a lot funnier. Maybe we should be trying to figure out when it jumped the shark.

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    And the brethren went away edified.
  72. Three Minutes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Holy Crap!


    It took you only 3 minutes to read that post, and respond to it, complete with a link to the dust puppy's birth. damn impressive!

  73. mv prev_post /dev/null by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just my opinion...

  74. MOD THIS DOWN - VILE PORN PIC LINK by BluedemonX · · Score: 2

    That's really charming. People like you need their cerebral matter reprogrammed with a softball bat.

    And yeah, I ain't posting this as Anonymous Coward.

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  75. Cool stuff for free (think: beer) by griblik · · Score: 1

    I didn't even think of web-comics until I saw...possibly Megatokyo...or maybe little gamers...I think...there's lots of links between the good ones. Lots of links to the up-and-comings, too.

    I've seen lots of comments on /. slating them for either the infrequency of new comics, or the topics of their rants or lack of continuous story, or lack of one-off giggles, or whatever.

    Fact is, they're free, and it costs you nothing but the effort it takes to click the link/type the url, and at the and of the day, there's just someone (like you) out there putting them up 'cos they want to.

    Personally, I usually turn up to work, and go thru my daily ritual of checking megatokyo, little gamers, pvponline, penny-arcade, slashdot and bbc news, and then my mail. It bugs me that people keep bitching about the content, rants, update frequency etc - they're FREE (as in beer). Lighten up guys! So what if Piro doesn't get the 3 comics he says he'll do up a week? Who cares if you don't like the artwork? So what if you don't think Userfriendly isn't funny today? There's no end of comics out there.

    For me, the web is about what YOU like. If it bugs you that there isn't a comic every day, or your don't like the story, don't follow that comic This is the the web. There's lots of other stuff out there.

    UF might, as I've seen some posts comment, use some second-hand jokes, but they're still funny - I'm thinking User:ID=10t. Made me giggle :)

    btw, if you haven't seen it, check out When I am King - possibly the funniest thing I've seen on the web yet...

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  76. And useful, too... by griblik · · Score: 1

    And you REALLY need this beauty on your intranet. Every company you ever work at.

    I dare you to tell me it doesn't irritate the hell out of you too (especially after your client's just pointed out how many you got wrong). Frickin' content bugs...

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  77. Bruhaha and Argy Bargy by ackthpt · · Score: 2
    User Friendly looks like Funky Winkerbean meets Dilbert and has a kid who reads the Necronomicon, raises the corpse of Charles Shultz that marries Bill Keane and gives birth to an unholy creature that likes to scratch itself until it bleeds in the patterns approximating the strip you see.

    Which, when you get right down to it, says that it really is it's own strip. And it's still more fun then a conference call or a Friday 4:00 PM meeting. I've been an avid comic strip fan since about 8 (Started on Walt Kelly's Pogo, nothing has since compared and it's been a long wait...) and I'm 42 now.

    UF was a regular read when I wasn't so addicted to other sites, which I check in the morning, afternoon and evening. I just popped back in and read back a month and still find it an amusing strip, well worth the time it takes to read it.

    I used to be a regular on rec...something...comics where epic battles were waged on the evils of Cathy and Garfield. Net: Cathy and Garfield are still in the papers, though the San Jose Murky has dropped Cathy from the Sunday section, good riddance, but I can't take any credit for that. Illiad does strike me as someone who is actually getting better. Banal? Naw, the problem is some people have higher expectations. Take them to greener pastures, leave UF to those who enjoy. It strikes me as a somewhat self-indulgent, coy, smug, at times, but still worth a regular read.

    That said, I do find Penny Arcade pretty damn funny at times, but it's mutch edgier, and for that does have further to fall when the gag is flat. Much as I enjoy PA, I don't read it very often either.

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  78. Obligatory comic recommendation by echelon13 · · Score: 1

    I haven't read UserFriendly regularely for 2 years or so. The writing isn't that great anymore, and the "art" isn't enough to carry the strip. Ozy and Millie is the one of the only webcomics I read on a regular basis anymore. It's not geek humor, but it's worth a look. It's well written, and very funny, something I can't say for UF anymore. (And I love the way D.C. Simpson draws.)

  79. achewood is WAY better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UF sux. For a web comic that is actually funny every day try http://www.achewood.com/