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Virtual 1930s Harlem

Raiford writes "Students can now take fully guided field trips in a VR environment. An article in the newsroom section of the IEEE website describes a trip to an historic Virtual Harlem setting in the 1920s and 30s. The article gives a description of the VR technology and programming and states that the simulation is supported for both Silicon Graphics and Linux platforms"

109 comments

  1. One more for linux by catwh0re · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    it's good to see that linux is supported, usually such advancements are held to specific proprietry servers like sgi, former silicon graphics, offerings.

  2. My first thought was the 13th Floor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but then I realized we've still got a long way to go for a fully immersive VR experience. Hell, ATI still can't release a good set of drivers for GTA3. Just imagine that... Walking down the street and you noice something not quite right about the flickering textures - a glitch in the Matrix perhaps? Nope - just buggy ATI drivers of the future.

    1. Re:My first thought was the 13th Floor by marko123 · · Score: 2

      I used to joke about that with a friend. He was going down on a girl and found a crusty bit. We just assumed that it was a glitch in the VR and left it at that :)

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  3. The Thirteenth Floor by Elphin · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hope you'll be able to drive to the edge of the world and see wireframe birds and mountains.

    1. Re:The Thirteenth Floor by Elphin · · Score: 1

      flamebait? wtf?
      http://us.imdb.com/Title?0139809

    2. Re:The Thirteenth Floor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mods are fags today.

      (Obligatory M$ sucks! quote. Hurray. I'm SAFE NOW)

    3. Re:The Thirteenth Floor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mods are fags only today? News to me.

  4. Re:Help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    My Led Zeppelin CD's raped all my Journey CD's! What should I do?

    Get some Michael Jackson CDs instead. As long as you don't have any boy band CDs, you won't have any more problems like that.

  5. this troll is showing its age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but I have the solution:

    We need a NEW terrorist attack.

    1. Re:this troll is showing its age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well i'm sure the axis of evil (united states, israel and britain) will come up with a great new way to murder thousands of people and profit!

      Those islamic guys kinda suck, sure they kill thousands of people, but where's the profit i ask? where is the profit?! AMATUERS!

      Step aside and let uncle sam show you how terror is done!

      Terror for fun and profit!

  6. I have an idea what they have been influenced by by Theodore+Logan · · Score: 2

    I wonder if they've chosen to simulate an American town in the 1930th because of this movie or whether it's just a coincidence.

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  7. the krak pipe is lit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the mods are inhaling.

  8. oh, virtual harlem... by mercx · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I first saw the headline I thought it said Virtual Harem...

    *runs away and looks for another headline*

    1. Re:oh, virtual harlem... by netsharc · · Score: 1

      I thought that's what it was too.. I'm sure we're not the only ones, and that site is on for a good slashdotting because of this fact..

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    2. Re:oh, virtual harlem... by Ooblek · · Score: 1

      Well, now that its virtual "Harlem," is there a guy that runs up to you with a tommy gun and yells, "Drop them Nikes before I blast a cap in yo' ass!"?

    3. Re:oh, virtual harlem... by Bunjo · · Score: 1

      Me too. Makes sense if you think about it. If I were to create a virtual world, you can be damn sure at least large part of it would be a harem. Minus the eunich though, I couldn't trust those guys, testicles or no.

    4. Re:oh, virtual harlem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:oh, virtual harlem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such places do exist. BTW. ME TOO!!

    6. Re:oh, virtual harlem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Baby....

      If you take those words, jumble them together and throw them on the floor.... ... ... ...

      eventually, you'd get something that looks like this.

      T R O L L .. ..

      amazing huh?

  9. Why? by chrisseaton · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What's the point? Why not simply go there?

    1. Re:Why? by AngstMerchant · · Score: 1

      Well yeah, everyone can just pick up and travel anytime they choose. . .oh wait. I'm thinking of the enormously rich who do not have to work and have tons of time on their hands again.

    2. Re:Why? by geekster · · Score: 1

      To the time machine!

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because harlem is a big ghetto filled with gang members and drug addicts.

    4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'll just climb into my handy time machine, here.

      Idiot. And so is the moderator who moderated this as "insightful".

    5. Re:Why? by colmore · · Score: 3, Informative

      Speaking as someone who lives a few blocks south and west of the historic neighborhoods of south Harlem, the reason is simple: old Harlem doesn't exist.

      125th street is as much of a mall as you'll find on the island. The old storefronts, clubs, and apartments have been replaced by chain outlets like Old Navy and the like. The few remnants of the old days have been completely comodified and stripped of their sincerity. The Apollo no longer has any sort of focus on Jazz or Blues, and even then Jazz and Blues stopped being innovative areas of music decades ago. Harlem in the 1930s was a cultural center, a breeding ground for a new and uniquely American style of poetry, music, and art. Now it's just the last frontier for the complete Gentrification and Disnification of Manhattan.

      So where's the virtual East Village of the 1970s?

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    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget blacks. LOTS of them. This is definitely a place you want to avoid if you're a white person. It's like being airdropped into Nigeria.

    7. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be a big assed news flash to the many white people who live there.

  10. I've dreamed of this for ages by cdrobbins · · Score: 1

    FINALLY I get to meet my Angel of Harlem.

  11. Doh by sheriff_p · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I thought it said Virtual Harem ... so disappointed now.

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    1. Re:Doh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  12. For all my Virtual Harlem needs... by marko123 · · Score: 2

    I play KingPin, Mother****er!

    Well, other than the game being crap, the city was awesome.

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  13. Virtual Haarlem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Been there, done that.

    Oh wait, you said Virtual Harlem, not Virtual Haarlem?

  14. New business-model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1: Write free software.
    2: ?
    3: Watch 1930's harlem in VR.
    4: Profit!

  15. Where do I sign? by NightWhistler · · Score: 1

    OK, now that we're this far, where do I sign up for Avalon? ;-)

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    1. Re:Where do I sign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Catalina Island.

  16. I got great idea! by Fex303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Virtual Harlem project is a great idea, huge educational value, blah, blah...

    But what everyone really wants is to be able to blow stuff up. They need to use the system to create a modern day city. They should make it so that you can interact with its inhabitants, give you a selection of weapons, and set you loose to do as you will. Imagine a living, breathing city to cause complete havoc in! If only.

    Oh wait... Maybe it's not just a daydream, maybe someone's already done that.

  17. GTA3 is for sickos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Grand Theft Auto 3 is a disgusting, violent piece of garbage which encourages the player to, among other things, "virtually" beat prostitutes, steal cars, shoot at police officers, sell drugs, and gun down innocent people

    There is no excuse for indulging in this kind of immoral filth

    Please do not try to cop out by saying "it's just a game, all my friends play it". If there was a game which "simulated" lynching blacks or kidnapping and raping children, would you play it? Would you keep company with people who did? How is GTA3 any different?

    I'd really like to see a serious, rational reply to this objection, because up until now, I have not heard one.

    -HashBang, posting anonymously to avoid "offtopic" modding...

    1. Re:GTA3 is for sickos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >There is no excuse for indulging in this kind of immoral filth
      >
      >Please do not try to cop out by saying "it's just a game, all my
      >friends play it". If there was a game which "simulated" lynching
      >blacks or kidnapping and raping children, would you play it? Would you
      >keep company with people who did? How is GTA3 any different?
      >
      >
      We get to shoot at crackers like you instead.

      Fuck off White Boy.

    2. Re:GTA3 is for sickos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean you can't see the difference between virtually gunning down cops and raping children? Maybe you need to think over your way of thinking

    3. Re:GTA3 is for sickos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't push your morals on me you sheep.

      Religion is just a trick by the elites to control the masses.

      You sir are a tool of oppression.

    4. Re:GTA3 is for sickos by Per+Wigren · · Score: 2

      Yes, I would play it. And yes, I would be disgusted, just as i can get disgusted by virtually blowing peoples heads off in other games.. The thing is that I actually LIKE getting disgusted! ;) I like filth! I like virtual violence! The nastier and filthier the better! There are no limits in the virtual world!

      In IRL though, I have never been in a fight since I was about 6 or 8 years old. Not once! And I've been out partying on average maybe 3 times a week since I was 15, and I'm 25 now.. I've been into the punkscene, gothscene, industrial scene and metal scene.. My hair is a black mohawk. I often wear makeup, plastic clothes and sometimes even highheel boots.. I almost always hang out with goths, industrials, punks, hippies, transvestites and other non-mainstream "genres" of people.. I also often go to BDSM- and fetish-clubs.. I know that many people just reading this post are thinking "I want to beat this sick fuck up", but still, I haven't been in a fight NOT EVEN ONCE for the last 17 years or something.. Surely it happens all the time that people want to fight with me, and it's always the "suit people" who do, but I can always just ignore them and walk away or talk myself out of it and calm them down...

      What I wanted to say was, although a bit too verbose, that I'm kind of the opposite of violent. Still I love watching filthy gore-movies and play ultraviolent computergames. Not ANYONE should tell me what I can do and not do, as long as I don't step on others toes (if they don't want to be stepped on, that is *G*)... If you don't agree with that, you're just being narrowminded, or a control-freak. Or both.

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    5. Re:GTA3 is for sickos by Per+Wigren · · Score: 2

      That's called being a fucking pussy.

      Then I'm a "fucking pussy" then. I simply see no reason to fight for such stupid reasons.

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    6. Re:GTA3 is for sickos by realgone · · Score: 1
      I'd really like to see a serious, rational reply to this objection, because up until now, I have not heard one.

      Okay, how's this: it's a modern spin on the cowboy archetype (or going even farther back, that of the bandit wandering though the woods, as in Rashomon). There's always been a certain glamour to a lone figure who makes his/her way in the world by living outside the bounds of the law. Yes, crime is involved -- cowboys held up banks and shot up bars, bandits robbed whatever nobility happened to be schlepping through the forest on a given day -- but almost never to the point where it's disturbing enough to shatter the fascism. (Which is why the lynchings and rapes you mention would have no place in GTA3).

      Pure and simple: it's escapist entertainment of the type that's been going on for centuries.

    7. Re:GTA3 is for sickos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      there was a game which "simulated" lynching blacks or kidnapping and raping children, would you play it?

      DAMN FUCKIN STRAIGHT. Can I incinerate Jews too?

    8. Re:GTA3 is for sickos by Fex303 · · Score: 1

      Let me see if I can be bothered to explain why you're wrong... First of all, read this as well as being some good background reading, it covers a fair number of facts and figures about gaming in general, and GTA3 specifically. Second, are you bitching about GTA3 or gaming in general here? Most games have combat and violence in their core concepts. Why not suggest that the Civilisation series encourages people to wage war and enslave opposing civilisations? Quake seems to be far more violence focussed than GTA3. Thirdly, you seem to have missed the important difference between a game allowing you to do something, and a game encouraging you to do something. For example, you are NEVER best off shooting all the police officers in sight. Doing that will just mean that the FBI and the army will show up and you'll get shot down. The fact that the game allows you to do it means that lots of people do, but that's not the point of the game, and won't help you in the game. Most of the time, the game's storyline is best served by running from the cops, not shooting them. The point you miss is that videogames are a form of media, not a life experience. Your argument can be extrapolated to most mobster films and it holds true. I can think of various films in which the hero has done all of the things you mention in your opening sentence. Why are games different from movies in this respect? As a 20 year old, I see games as a form of media with the same value as film or television (ie just under the value of books music). You need to understand that the way you see a game is not the way that gamers see that game. If you agree that your argument applies to all movies which include your list of nasties, that's fine we'll have reached a point where we can agree to disagree. If you don't, please explain why gaming is so very different from other methods of media consumption. Either way please respond, as I consider this to be a rational reply to your objection.

  18. Does it come with reefer smell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in 1930's Harlem it wasn't an Evil Dangerous Drug but was inseparable from the music scene.

    Does this VR simulation ignore marijuana entirely? Is this yet another apparatus used to whitewash history? Can someone please drive down to Gainesville, Florida and find Jim Haskins in a downtown bar, slap some VR goggles on him, and get his opinion?

    --ZM

  19. Virtual Harlem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if only the virtual crack dealers, thugs and pimps would try and "Jack" the students, it would make for a much more realistic experience...

  20. Are you serious? by dazdaz · · Score: 1

    Is this a joke? Who wants to see Harlem? Has the world gone mad.

  21. Black geeks need not apply . . . by MisterSquid · · Score: 0, Troll

    (Before you mod me into troll/flamebait heaven, consider that I am taking on issues of race and cultural history and talking about such things is hard to do without offending...)

    I find it amazing and appalling (but not surprising) that the response to this essay is for now dominated by racist trolls. Of course, one cannot say the writer's of these responses are racist, but their words certainly are.

    Harlem in the 1930s was a flourshing center of art, culture, literature, and music. The boom period known as the Harlem Renaissance is unparalleled in American history with perhaps the exception of the late 1960s, also known as the Countercultural Revolution. The Harlem Renaissance inspired poets such as Gwendolyn Brooks and Langston Hughes, musicians the likes of Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie, novelists such as Zora Neale Hurston and Ralph Ellison, and painters like Jacob Lawrence.

    Art Deco, the style of art and architecture that exalts urbanism and the modernist avant-garde, flourished during this time, undoubtedly due to the broad sex appeal of jazz, an African-American musical form.

    The amazing part about the Harlem Renaissance is that this is period of cultural growth during one of the most abysmal periods in economic history, a period so awful it is named "The Great Depression." You may not know a damn thing about niggers, but you should know that like the Founding Fathers of the United States, they know how to survive when things are tough. But more importantly, they know how to survive with style.

    Niggers also have quite a bit in common with geeks. They are despised for their gifts and feared for their power. "Beautiful people" commit violence upon blacks and geeks and laugh about it. Now, imagine being a black geek (reading at -1) and coming to this thread.

    It's now 2002, and the systematic (if unorganized) oppression and rejection of African Americans as "niggers" and "shit" is as strong as ever. In the early part of the twentieth century, groups of European-Americans killed blacks with impunity. Blacks were lynched and the KKK was scapegoated for America's racial hatred. I'm not saying the KKK were not guilty, but they were singled out, while everyday forms of racism survive unscathed.

    Slashdot is one of my favorite webites. But I've never for a second doubted that some of my fellow /.'ers are racists. Now I have the proof. But I also know many /.'ers really don't have a lot to say about race, and the silence is deafening. So I thought in addition to those moderators who are on the job that I'd send out a few tendrils and try to turn up the signal to noise ratio, FWIW.

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    1. Re:Black geeks need not apply . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Niggers also have quite a bit in common with geeks. They are despised for their gifts and feared for their power.

      Oh please what a load.

      In case you live in a sanitized white suburb the people most likely to be doing the beating up of the geeks are usually some black turds who are 3 years older than everyone becuase they keep failing and like to beat up "whiteboys" and "chinks" to make themselves feel tough.

      If you want to stop being "oppressed" get a fucking education instead of smoking weed in the bathroom when you should be in class, stop terrorizing the other students instead of paying attention and then after all that (i know it's asking a lot) go and get a fucking job.

    2. Re:Black geeks need not apply . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oooooo, sounds like SOMEONE'S got issues with black people. Let me guess... you're the kind of guy who crosses the street when you might have to pass a group of black folks, right? Even school kids a lot younger than you, right? Because WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'LL DO, right? They might flip out! Don't make eye contact! Don't show fear! Wait until you're safe at home and behind a computer before you show them who's boss!

      It's funny, because behavior and race baiting like yours is exactly what the original poster was talking about. Thanks for showing up and proving him right.

    3. Re:Black geeks need not apply . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooooooo, sounds like SOMEONE'S never lived in a black neighborhood. Let me guess you a politically correct white who lives out in the suburb in some american dream house far away from the the city.

      anyways...

      No actually during college i worked as a hall monitor in a urban public school. The only students who seem to vandalize the school and constantly use drugs are the blacks. Also they tend to be the most racist. As a sikh i don't know how many times i have been called a "raghead faggot" etc. by some little shit who i am dragging down to the principal so he can be suspended for destroying the school. People save money their whole life to send their children to america and these little peices of trash grow up here and just piss on the opportunity they have. Then they have the fucking nerve to blame everyone else! Take responsibility for your own life and stop blaming everyone else. Trust me the rest of the country would love nothing better than to see blacks clean up their act and start being productive members of society. Ya tax payers really want to have to pay for housing for a bunch of free loading troublemakers. Go get a job.

    4. Re:Black geeks need not apply . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Around where I live, maybe 10% of the population is black.

      In the past few years, I can recall 3 counts of vandalism and 2 breakins. In each case, the perps were black.

      There are also a couple of black guys who hang around a local basketball court and sell crack.

      In all these years, the only "incident" that did not involve a non-black person was a guy who got nailed from drinking a bottle of beer in the park. Pity they never caught the black guy who in plain sight threw an empty can of malt liquor in my back yard two months ago.

      Yeah blacks get demonized. But guess why. It's their own doing. And don't give me that "historic poverty" crap; there are plenty of dirt-poor people living in the nearby projects who somehow manage to get by without vandalising stuff or playing their stereos full tilt at 3 AM.

      I don't know how people are going to respond to this posting, but the plain fact in my case is that most of the blacks around where I live singularly act like barbaric assholes, and I refuse to be labelled as racist for making that observation. Of course there are decent hard-working blacks as well, but it's remarkable how other blacks seem to have a monopoly on being assholes.

    5. Re:Black geeks need not apply . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it amazing and appalling (but not surprising) that the response to this essay is for now dominated by racist trolls.

      Not surprising that you're not surprised but still amazed and appalled. You've probably been raised to worship Harlem residents like demigods and denounce anyone who takes exception to that as a honkey or an Uncle Tom.

    6. Re:Black geeks need not apply . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blacks were lynched and the KKK was scapegoated [liu.edu] for America's racial hatred.

      Your claim that the KKK was "scapegoated" is off the mark. There are one or two or more former clansmen in congress right now. Robert Byrd D-West Virginia for instance. Prominent people everywhere in the south were klansmen, including peace officers who were duty bound to prevent lynchings.

    7. Re:Black geeks need not apply . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are mostly trolling, it's pretty weak trolling too. Not very entertaining.. Now, I wish for the days of the great trolls of Slashdot.. wonder where they ran off... which lucky guys they got married to (Don't you know 90% of all trolls are female? Anyway, if you see any m/m slash stuff goinging on you are sure it's one of us .. smirk... well just in case you should read jenkins if you need the exact figures.. right from the mouth or from his book 'textual porchers').

    8. Re:Black geeks need not apply . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm white. I also live in a two room apartment in downtown Baltimore. Don't know if you're familiar, but the city has a few black people living in it. Something like 70% of the population. People that I walk to and from work with every day, ride the bus with, go to the bar with. Grow up.

      There are assholes of all colors out there who feel like they have something to prove, or that the world owes them something. But guess what? There are a lot of people out there who don't want anything handed to them and want to live their life without interference because of the color of their skin... sound familiar? Maybe you should have kept that in mind when you decided to take on a position of authority in a high school. I'm sure your attitude made you a real asset.

  22. Why 1920? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not 1870? That would have been interesting.

  23. Am I the only one that read "Virtual Harem"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I was all excited too...

  24. Re:Help! by RebelTycoon · · Score: 1

    Or kids choirs!

    Of course, if you ahve Curious George stuff, the monkey might also be in a little trouble.

  25. Harlem 2002 by snoozerdss · · Score: 1

    Harlem 2002 just a joke!! don't mod down.

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  26. I bet its for college schools like harvard by HanzoSan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We need this stuff in highschools

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  27. I've gotten to play with early stages of this.. by beldraen · · Score: 1

    It's interesting to see a /. article to which I can personally relate. A friend of mine would invite me over to campus because UMC has this HUGE screen down a bottom computer lab to watch Star Trek. Since he was part of the computer crew, he had access to all the cool equipment and programs. I've played with the simulator. What gave it a different feel educationally is that you had the perspective of town to wonder around. As you got closer to characters or events, you would begin to hear them calling, talking, singing, etc. At the time, they didn't have a lot of people in it, but I still remember walking around and seeing all the people. Unless they've really splashed it up, it wasn't anything like seeing 3D characters walking and moving. The people were all 2d sprites. But, it gave a new definition to the term hi-res. I think they were rendering it off of a video card with 1 gig of memory. It left an impression on me and I think it would for anyone to get some since to feel what it was like back then. Oh, that and the 3D, VR, simulated helicopter with three-foot tall motion pad. That thing was fun as hell to play on. It had a five-point harness because that thing could take you for a ride. If you hit the ground and you knew it.. :)

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  28. Why so resentful? by MisterSquid · · Score: 1

    You're full of it, and a coward to boot. Post with your id, why don't you?

    I'm writing my dissertation, in the process of earning a Ph.D. in English, so I have plenty of education. I don't use drugs. I teach at the University of Virginia. I am biracial and am at times racially oppressed.

    What's so hard to believe about the possibility that some of us experience oppression in ways you cannot understand?

    I'm not saying oppressed people don't do bad things. They do. But most oppressed people don't do such things. Most oppressed people--black, white, geek, female, asian (what you call chink), handicapped--are exactly that: oppressed.

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    1. Re:Why so resentful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to know that you have so many qualifications, especially the "racially oppressed" bit. Obviously , you're on a higher plane than the person you're responding to. Boy is this fun.

    2. Re:Why so resentful? by colmore · · Score: 2

      Ummm... did you read the parent post? He's saying that racism and opression are still alive and well in America. We've wiped out the easy and visible signs of it- segregation, the KKK, etc. but that hasn't changed a lot of people's attitudes about race. Good luck on your English Ph.D. It might help if you learn to read.

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    3. Re:Why so resentful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe Chris Rock said it best:

      I love black people, but I sho' hate niggers.

      See, there IS a clear distinction between the two, even among people of color. The biggest problem with niggers (not black people) is that generally, niggers are the ones white people see in downtown areas acting stupid. They wander around drunk, begging, and pissing on walls in public. I work in downtown Dallas and I witness this crap every single day.

      When a white person, living in a white world (wealthy suburbs) sees these filthy niggers acting this way, it may just shape and warp their perception of how people of color really are. I'm black myself and I wanna beat the shit out of niggers like these for giving me and my people a bad name. Assholes like these are the reason why people watch me when I walk into a store, or follow me around to make sure 'nothing happens'. I'm not 'being oppressed for being colored', I'm being watched because too many ignorant-ass niggers already fucked it up for me and every other legitimate black person.

      I don't resent white people or any other race for how they treat me because of my skin color. I resent the niggers around the world that are fucking it up for the rest of us.

    4. Re:Why so resentful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be sure to give your parents a big FUCK YOU for producing a mongrel child whose only accomplishment in life will be riding the affirmative action train to the top and making an occasional "help help I'm being oppressed" post to Slashdot.

    5. Re:Why so resentful? by Bedouin+X · · Score: 2

      I am so fuckin sick of people using that "Niggers vs. Black people" Chris Rock skit to excuse mass generalizations of black people. Every group of people has an element that is undesireable, in pretty much every case that element is the minority of the population.

      I live in downtown Atlanta and I see a huge share of ignorant ass black and white people, mainly young ones. Both populations have a formidable number of obnoxious members. This is evident after any major event here. A black targetted concert will be accompanied by lots of trash in the streets, loud music, and kids shouting all types of expletives. The white concerts generally have more trash, at least as many expletives, and a tendency to sporadically shout out "wooooooo!!" and "owwwwwwww!" at ridiculously loud volumes for no apparent reason.

      Anyhow, the bigger point here is that the Harlem Renaissance was a wonderful period of artistic development in the United States and the original poster was probably frustrated at people making comments about crime and drugs in that neighborhood. It is sad that such small minded thnking is still around... but whatever.

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    6. Re:Why so resentful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read my whole post carefully you wouldn't have posted such a knee-jerk reaction. Rather than read the entire post, you saw the Chris Rock reference and went off. Rather than excusing mass generalizations I went into the psychology behind it, in this case exposure.

      People, no matter what color they are, are always drunk and rowdy after a concert. Drunk people act ignorant. I'm talking people walking the streets *every single day* acting ignorant and pissing on walls. People of color that whites come into contact with shape their opinion, like it or not. If you get chased by 3 Doberman Pincers as a kid, you're probably going to avoid them, same goes for people. You can't fault someone for thinking this way, it's a natural part of human nature. Same goes if you're like me and you live in a primarily black neighborhood. The only time you see whites (rarely too) is when someone calls the cops. So in my neighborhood, whites = cops. People hate cops, so they end up hating white cops, then white people in general. It fits in well with the typical defeatist mentality that most poor black people have anyway.

      Don't give me any pie-in-the-sky bullshit about people wanting to hold hands and hug all the time. No matter where you are in the world, people want to be with their kind and there's nothing more to say. Thai people hate Laotians; Jews hate Muslims; Muslims hate Serbs. It's just how the world is and you gotta deal with it one person at a time. Luckily in our country the racism doesn't always result in bloody battles with mortar shells and automatic rifles like it does in other parts of the world.

      BTW you should consider moving if noise bothers you. Urban areas are no place for the old or the squeamish. :)

    7. Re:Why so resentful? by Bedouin+X · · Score: 2

      There was nothing knee jerk in that post. I read your whole response and addressed the Chris Rock part. I could talk about many other times that non-blacks have acted less than exemplary. My point isn't that black people are a benevolent group of victims, nor that people want to hold hands and hug all the time (I'm still trying to figure out where that came from). The point is that people constantly try to oversimplify race relations (and also justify the use of the word nigger) by quoting a skit by Chris Rock. It's easy to argue that this oversimplification based on something that you saw on television has more to do with mass generalizations than exposure.

      I've lived in predominately black and predominately white neighborhoods. Downtown Atlanta just happens to have a mix of millionaires (and at least one billionaire named Ted Turner has moved around the corner), middle class, and homeless people with the usual business people thrown in during the daylight hours. It also happens to be in the middle of one of the most diverse college campuses in the U.S. (Ga. State University). In an environment like this, EVERYBODY shows their asses. I'm not old or squeamish, I love it downtown. I'm just telling you what I see and it ain't just black people acting a fool.

      Peace.

      --
      Dissolve... Resolve... Evolve...
    8. Re:Why so resentful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not every bi-racial (or non-white) individual on this planet wants special treatment. I'm half Chinese, and I could care less about my race. In my opinion, those who find it necessary to regularly identify with their race are weak people (much like gang members -- notice how they're pretty useless when they're on their own?). America would be a better place if it didn't give special treatment to minorities. We all know that black people were brutally oppressed in the past, but that doesn't mean their descendants have the right to hold the descendants of the slaveowners accountable. As of 2002, every slave and slaveowner is DEAD and GONE, so why are they still holding on to this? It almost looks like the lazy members of their race are using this as an excuse to remain lazy, which does little more than hurt their collective reputation. After all, stereotyping is a necessary, involuntary part of survival (as mentioned by another poster somewhere in these threads), and if all people see are the rotten apples of the black race causing trouble they're going to think they all act that way.

      Anyway, I know it's probably not going to make a signficant difference, but I want to say it anyway: if you think you're special, better, or require special treatment because of your color (whatever color that may be), 1) publically announce you're a fucking idiot, and 2) kindly stay the fuck out of the gene pool.

  29. Funny, that by realgone · · Score: 1

    Now that's pretty cool; my spell-checker made a Freudian slip. Substitue "fantasy" for "fascism" above and then start wondering if computers really do have a sense of humor. =)

    1. Re:Funny, that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of spellchecker swaps fantasy for fascism then misses you typing in "substitue" the second time around?

      Don't blame the spellchecker, blame the operator. PEBKAC.

  30. politically correct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must be like watching an hour's worth of Howard University Television public service announcements.

  31. Moderators... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...you can all fucking suck my knob, and like it.

  32. One of those overpriced SGI-based things by Animats · · Score: 2
    It's location-based entertainment; you have to go to the place where they have multiple video projectors and SGI systems set up.

    If they made the thing available as a VRML world, it would be more accessable. VRML isn't used much any more, but it finally works quite well. VRML 97 sucked on 1997-vintage PCs, but with a modern graphics board and a broadband connection, it's far better than it used to be.

  33. Black people and crime statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    First of all, when I teach foreigners English, and they ask me what the strongest cuss word is in English, I always answer by telling them the "N word" (which I will not post here). They ask me why the word is so obscene. I respond by explaining how we made black people slaves and how there is racism in America to this very day.

    I think to myself at times and wonder if I am racist myself. What is telling is that I have no afro-americans in my circle of friends; this could be because I don't like them, or it could be because I have lived in neighborhoods without too many afro-americans. In addition, I don't go for black chicks. I find most other races attractive, with the notable exception of Asian women. I find some white women attractive, some southern europian women attractive, some latina women attractive, some native americans attractive, a few indian women attractive, and some arabic women attractive.

    I also was taught as a kid that Black people are less intelligent and stronger than other races. I also have been given the impression that black people are more savage: They are more predisposed to commit crimes, spray graffiti, and engage in other antisocial behavior.

    Now, how well this reflects reality is open to debate. When the driving when colored debate was going on (a debate where people were critizing police for pulling more afro-americans over then people of other races), I was thinking that, if police were going to profile the races of people they choose to pull over, we should also have public data where we see what percentage of crimes are committed by what races compared to the population of that race in a given neighborhood.

    When went to a university in a section of towns where students were in constant fear of being mugged, the perception was that it was afro-americans committing all of the muggings cauing the neighborhood to go to hell; however everyone was too "politically correct" to say this out loud (the joy of being anonymous on Slashdot).

    Honestly, I do not know how much reality this perception that black people commit a majority of the crimes has with reality. If we look at arrest statistics, that may not be accurate because policeman have this racist perception, causing them to arrest more black people. What needs to be done is to study people who report violent assualts being done against them, and see what the rce of the assualter is compared to the population of the race in question in the neighborhood. I know that when a black person assualts a white person, the race sticks out in my mind; when a white (or latino) person assulats a white person, the race is less likely to be remembered.

    National Review , as expected says that the reason more black people are in prison than in college is because more black people committ criminal acts. Maybe people become like this when their culture and society was destroyed, such as when the blacks were forcibly taken out of Africa in to the US to become slaves.

    This is a very complicated and emotionally charged issue; and one that people can not openly discuss because of our society's overzealous political correctness.

    1. Re:Black people and crime statistics by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      How can you even begin to mention 'overzealous political correctness' when you pepper your paragraphs with PC terms like 'afro-american' and 'n-word'. Later you go own to say 'black chicks', etc. Pick a side of the fence, man.

      Percentage-wise, I'd be willing to wager that more blacks commit crime than people of other races. This may have more to do with predisposition than poverty, I haven't read any reports to swing my opinion either way. One sidelong glance at modern day Africa tends to skew one's view, however....

      Let's say you have a 100% negro neighborhood in south Dallas or any other poverty-stricken, negro-filled neighborhood. Will there be a higher rate of teenage pregnancy, drug use/addiction, substance abuse, domestic violence, welfare mothers with dozens of children, and fatherless families? Of course there will. These are all inherent side effects of extreme poverty. These are the children of a welfare state.

      Now let's say you have a 100% white neighborhood in a trailer park in Anywhere, USA. Will they suffer the same ills as the negroes in a similar situtation? Of course, and more. For some reason whites in poverty tend to be more morally bankrupt than negroes in a similar situation, hence child abuse and molestation among low income families being higher among whites than any other race.

      If anything, cash flow plays the largest factor in how any group predictably acts. A middle class negro neighborhood would closely mirror a middle class white or asian neighborhood. Class reflects education (in most cases), and we all know the value of education. Education generally brings a higher quality of life through wider and more lucrative employment opportunities.

      Overall, people tend to be 'classist' first and foremost, and 'racist' secondly. They're both pretty tightly integrated after all. I realize being honest about my opinion and this issue is risking Karma, but mine is pretty high and I think I present some intelligent thought.

    2. Re:Black people and crime statistics by Com2Kid · · Score: 1
      • One sidelong glance at modern day Africa tends to skew one's view, however....


      The same could be said for a goodly part of eastern Europe, certian sections of Asian, and regions in the middle east.

      Remember that nearly the entire CONTINENT of Africa was screwed over, enslavement, disease, then a dependency upon a heavy consumption based cultural living method was created, and Westerners are STILL paying for slave labor and even EXECUTIONS to take place over there to further their business means.

      You want fucked up? Well yah Africa is fucked up, and it is going to stay that way because big businesses are paying for it to be fucked up.
    3. Re:Black people and crime statistics by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      So what's Eastern Europe's excuse? What's Asia and the Middle East's excuse? Are westerners oppressing all these countries?

    4. Re:Black people and crime statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a fucking break.

      Big business makes money from stable markets, not anarchy and de-civilization. You think evil "Big Business" is making a killing in Zimbabwe, where right now Mugabe's (black) murderous thugs are destroying white farms (condemning blacks to starvation) all in the name of income redistribution (hey, comrade, I bet you can dig that)?

      You think that idyllic African craftsman that had his livelihood so rudely interrupted by evil Western business could use his marvelous skills to fabricate the computer you used to complain about "big business"?

      Give me a fucking break. You stupid idiots need to go to Africa and start an independent commune. I bet you'd last as long as daddy's allowance lasted.

    5. Re:Black people and crime statistics by Com2Kid · · Score: 1
      • So what's Eastern Europe's excuse? What's Asia and the Middle East's excuse? Are westerners oppressing all these countries?


      My point exactly. It is NOT an African thing, everybody does it. The way you said it was implying that African's and those of African decent have a tendency towards anarchistic attitudes and behaviors, I was just pointing out that the rest of the world is pretty damn nutty as well and that singling out Africa was not fair.
    6. Re:Black people and crime statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is economically profitable to keep Africa politically disorganized. But it's likely that the continued political disorganization of Africa is a combination of intention and post-colonial legacy.

      The land in Sub-Saharan Africa is loaded with precious metals and jewels, and the mines are operated by post-colonial capitalist companies.

      There is black-on-white racism happening in Africa, and this is regrettable, especially considering these white descendants are not responsible for the actions of their forbears.

      But the atrocious behaviors of contemporaries does not mean that they are not themselves victims of larger forces, just as it does not mean they are not perpetrating moral crimes over whom they have power.

    7. Re:Black people and crime statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo, step off, pharoah.
      my niggaz ah' in da' HOUSE!!
      *bark* *bark*

    8. Re:Black people and crime statistics by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      Point taken. My bad. :(

  34. Re:VR nigger infested neighborhood? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the advantage is that in VR when someone stabs you and steals your wallet you don't have to go to the hospital and you don't really lose your wallet!

  35. Re:I have an idea what they have been influenced b by Nic33 · · Score: 1

    That movie sucked and nothing should ever be based on it intentionally. Enough said.

  36. That's over at VirtualIslam.sa by glrotate · · Score: 1

    Something about 70 virgins and paradise.

  37. Next project.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....virtual Beirut circa 1985.

    Yeah that would be great. The venture(vulture?) capitalists must be circling this idea.

  38. Malcolm X! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they can have historical figures like Marcus Garvey, I'd like to see Malcolm X in his drug-pushing days, selling dope and whoring women.

    Strangely omitted...

  39. Anyone notice... by 0rx · · Score: 0

    How everyone who has posting anything negative in regards to black people and our relation to Harlem is posting as an anonymous coward? Shows you how they've already acknowledged their opinion as just an attempt to show themselves as trollbait while expressing their naive views. One thing I can say about a racist is that I've never seen. heard, or read anything from intelligent ones, because an intelligent racist is an oxymoron...

  40. Colonialism was the best thing to happen to Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing keeping most of these so called "countries" in Africa going are their natural resources and the developed world's interest in them. I say again, the developed world does not profit from anarchy or de-civilization. This disrupts, not facilitates, the developed world's access to these all important natural resources. It's much easier to "exploit" a semi-developed, stable country with a modicrum of roads than it is to "exploit" a nightmare of a fucking "country" like the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where you have lots of roads that go nowhere that no one uses.

    These anti-globalists use logic that goes something like "capitalists are evil therefore, capitalists must be responsible for the deplorable conditions in Africa". Then explain the previous 2000 years without civilization in Africa...before the white man showed.

    Oh yeah, I forgot, all those great ancient African civilizations no one has yet been able to find proof of hidden deep in the jungle.

  41. location-based, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (And here I was looking for a tarball, heh.)

    Can you explain how they're using this for a distance learning project? Do they have identical labs set up, or what?

    Just curious.

    And is anybody doing something like this with an Open Source license?

  42. Re:Colonialism was the best thing to happen to Afr by Com2Kid · · Score: 2

    Oh yeah, I forgot, all those great ancient African civilizations no one has yet been able to find proof of hidden deep in the jungle.


    Do your research, "civilization" found them, and then shot them. They where taking up valuable forest land you know. . . .