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Component MP3/OGG Players?

RJV asks: "I currently have a rather large digital music collection. It is all in mp3 or ogg format and it is all from CDs that I personally own or have borrowed from friends. I have built a rather cheap mp3 server to store all of the music on and I listen to it on my machines rather easily. However, I'm looking for a better solution for accessing and playing from the archive in my living room. I currently have a linux box that uses the TV as a monitor. I can use it fine to play mp3/ogg files through the home theater, but mostly because I know where the buttons are in xmms. (640x480 isn't the best resolution for xmms). I've looked into multiple other projects, such as Aurian Music Manager and Freevo (the computer also has a TV in card) but have not been satisfied with their performance and/or ease of use, especially when trying to use my Universal Remote Control. So, I've decided that perhaps the best course of action for the living room is to purchase a stand-alone component that will integrate with my current system. What are my options and are there any experiences within the community with these products?"

"I'd like to find a product that has the following features (in order of importance).

  1. Ethernet Connectivity (NFS/SAMBA/something Linux can share out)
  2. Intuitive/Easy-to-Use Interface
  3. IR Remote Control (so I can use my Universal Remote)
  4. Ability to play mp3s and oggs
  5. TV display capabilities (may fall under Intuitive Interface)
  6. Digital Out
  7. CDR capabilities
1-4 are my must-haves. 5-7 would be nice."

100 of 360 comments (clear)

  1. Ewww but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I heard Microsoft has a media center edition product coming out. I would hope it covers all formats.

    http://www.microsoft.com/mediacenter

    1. Re:Ewww but by einTier · · Score: 3, Informative
      I know that some people are using APEX DVD players. However, I'm not 100% sure they play ogg. I found a reference to this modification here, about halfway down the page, and supposedly the hack is on this page.


      The DVD drive is apparently IDE, and since the APEX natively plays mp3s burned to a CD, you can simply rip out the DVD drive and replace it with a IDE hard drive that contains your mp3s. Since it was meant to work with televisions and entertainment systems, it integrates easily and works rather well. It's also cheap, as you can find APEX DVD players as low as $50-100 US.


      So, for $50 + hard drive, you get:
      2. Intuitive/Easy-to-Use Interface
      3. IR Remote Control (so I can use my Universal Remote)
      4. Ability to play mp3s (you might get ogg, do some research)
      5. TV display capabilities (may fall under Intuitive Interface)
      6. Digital Out


      You will not get
      1. Ethernet Connectivity (NFS/SAMBA/something Linux can share out)
      7. CDR capabilities.


      Seems like a nice, cheap solution.

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  2. x10 + andromeda by lo_fye · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd recommend keeping your current setup, getting a mouse-remote from x10, and using a web-based app (1 file!) called Andromeda which dynamically creates playlists of audio & video files and streams them to your default player. It's awesome! This whole setup will cost you like $30 or so, and you'll be able to control your music with a remote :)

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    1. Re:x10 + andromeda by KILNA · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A good web interface does not make for a good video / music player interface. Mousing using a remote is cumbersome and error-prone, especially if you have to select a bunch of small checkboxes to play the files you want. I get the impression the asker wants to know if there is something out there with an interface polished specifically for an AV component situation, which usually means navigating with button presses (and often without even a GUI for simple media functions like fast forward and pause).

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    2. Re:x10 + andromeda by turnstyle · · Score: 2
      Humbly, I think you'll find Andromeda to be quite handy. Picture this: a central box running a web server. Among other things, it stores your whole MP3/OGG collection. You can use any browser on your local network to tap into and stream from the archive. Furthermore, if you have decent upstream bandwidth you could simply play your files from *anywhere* on the Internet.

      And the clients don't need ay special software (apart from a browser and a player).

      Finally, I use remote desktop software to 'hit play' on the server itself (which is wired to the stereo).

      So, with one central server, I can play MP3's over my LAN, out over the net, and remotely to my stereo.

      I'd like to see you do that with a toilet ;)

      -Scott

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    3. Re:x10 + andromeda by KILNA · · Score: 2

      The problem isn't that he feels tied down to using special software, or that he needs to be able to access his media from anywhere on the net. Though laudable concepts that your software addresses very well, they have nothing to do with his problem: he needs an interface that suits the task (specifically ease of use with a remote control). The web is great for creating applications that can be accessed from a variety of hardware configurations and locations. The web is not suited for applications which have a specific human interface limitation such as a hand-held remote, voice control, small screens, etc. I'm not saying that it is impossible to support them, just that interface limitations will usually result in one of 3 possibilities:

      1. An inefficient rich interface (accessing common thinga will be more difficult than neccessary)
      2. An efficient light interface (people with the capability of a rich interface will be anchored to the lowest common denominator)
      3. Forking the code to tune it for two separate interfaces

      If you fork, in most cases you may as well develop an application-specific product instead (one interface inevitably ends up as the red-headed stepchild). Catering to the lowest common denominator is the goal of the web*, but it still isn't trimmed down enough to make for good use of a hand-held remote control. Using a mouse-remote is cumbersome and error-prone, and seems silly since the regular clicker is already suited for the purpose, familiar, easy to use... especially if all you're doing is playing media files.

      You have a fine product I'm sure. It could even support this user's baseline requirements with some hacking, hardware notwithstandingm (I get the impression that he's looking for an actual box). But I stand by my notion that a browser is not an ideal interface when your only input device is a clicker (mouse-enabled or not).

      * For proof, see geocities

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    4. Re:x10 + andromeda by turnstyle · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Andromeda is good for streaming, but caries a huge overhead if you are just looking for a jukebox."

      If the load feels too large on your 133mhz/32mb box, Andromeda might not be right for you. My spare 'server' is an old 200mhz laptop, and it feels just fine to me. fwiw, much of Andromeda's design has also focused on keeing it simple to set up, and simple to maintain (another type of overhead to consider).

      "There is no jukebox daemon that randomly selects songs from the archive"

      fwiw, I just let my MP3 player do the shuffle -- I also periodically right-click the play button at the 'top' of my collection and save everything in one big playlist file, and I open that into my player & shuffle. Quite handy, actually.

      "The code is closed source and the author refuses to let you hack it for personal use"

      That's true. Perhaps we should save the GPL debate for another thread? ;) I'm doing my best to run the project as professionally as possible -- there's lots of documentation, I answer loads of support questions, and IMHO GPL isn't right for me.

      -Scott

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  3. Winamp by Hi_2k · · Score: 3, Informative

    Much as i hate to say it, it is probably a good idea to use a computer with windows and winamp 2.x. also, a ati all in wonder video card will allow good tv out so you can properly veiw it. 640*480 will work with this, and some tv's should even get a 800*640 resoultion.

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    1. Re:Winamp by athakur999 · · Score: 2

      Winamp 3 would be a good choice as well, if only because you can scale the interface to any size. When scaled to 400% it'd be pretty easy to hit the buttons even with a remote control as your mouse.

      Otherwise Winamp 3 is a dog...

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  4. Screw Ethernet.... by Skyshadow · · Score: 2

    An 802.11b connection would be even better -- I don't want to run ethernet just for my stereo (everything else in my house uses 802.11)

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    1. Re:Screw Ethernet.... by DavesError · · Score: 5, Funny

      (everything else in my house uses 802.11)

      Including your neighbors.

  5. SliMP3... by Zarbuck · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is not exactly what you want for but you should give it a look... http://www.slimdevices.com/

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    1. Re:SliMP3... by notanatheist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Damn, beat me to it. Really, it is the best way to go. You just need an Ethernet to run in and output to any receiver or powered speakers. Nice bright vacuum flourescent display and includes a Sony universal remote. So there you go. Slimdevices.com. Get yours today. I would if I had $250 laying around. :p

    2. Re:SliMP3... by jovlinger · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're into building from components, I'd suggest picking up a pre-hacked i-opener from ebay (expect to pay ~ $70-100 +s/h depending on size of included hd and quality of work).

      The midori for iopener image (see google for url) gives you a web browser, xmms, and a linux kernel that can drive: kawasaki/pegasus based usb ethernet; linksys wusb11v2.5 (important about the v number. 2.6 is in stores now, and won't work) 802.11b; usb audio out.

      The i-opener comes with an acceptable 800x600 lcd and a crappy ps/2 keyboard+mouse combo.

      So you can start cheap and use the built in audio and a netgear ea101 for ~ $100 (NB: the iopener doesn't have audio out, so that has to be hacked in. Trivial hack, but needs to be done if you don't want to use usb audio) and grow it to have wireless network and spdif output for another $100, when you feel you want that.

      The only drawback is that I haven't figured out how to turn off the backlight (or more accurately, turn it back on again), but the thing boots to xmms in about a minute, so that's not a killer.

    3. Re:SliMP3... by PrinceBytor · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I had many of the same requirements when I started working on my own digital jukebox. Today, the hardware is operational in my living room and all of the foundation code is in place. Before everybody berates me for not using Linux, I am happy with WindowsXP for this application... I am using Tomcat... Both my wife and I find ourselves actually listening to our large music collection more frequently since I connected the jukebox to our stereo. The on-screen menu system makes access to the collection easy and the digital audio out produces excellent sound quality to my (non-audiophilic) ears.

      BTW - yes I am even using the HomeTheater Master MX-500 universal remote..

  6. Good luck, but maybe... by Logic+Bomb · · Score: 2

    From what I've seen, there aren't any component devices out there that a) do what you want, and b) don't cost an arm and a leg. In the mean time, you might just burn MP3s to cd-rw discs and use a cheapo DVD player. For the money, it's probably the best solution.

  7. Does anyone else... by fungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    find it ironic that the "Ability to play mp3s and oggs" comes in fourth position (in order of importance)?

    I mean, it is better if the device is user friendly and can't play mp3/ogg than if it isnt user friendly and do everything you want?

  8. this is a hard thing to do... i've tried by kochsr · · Score: 2, Informative

    the turtle beach audiotron satisfies almost everything here but the tv out.

    (remote, digital out, mp3, no ogg from what i remember, but ethernet)

    the pc is really the way to go (just run xmms at double size w/ the playlist up... it just about takes up the whole screen. i think the audiotron would be a killer piece if it had tv out capabilities

    anyway... i haven't heard of anyone who is REALLY happy with ogg when it comes to decoding their songs on things other than PCs. FACE IT, there just aren't many things out there that decode ogg, and mp3 is just easier to use right now. (just use lame at alt-preset-extreme)

  9. Disclaimer: I work for this company. by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Informative
    Based on your criteria, The SliMP3 Ethernet MP3 player is almost exactly what you're looking for:
    • Very easy to set up and use
    • Open source.
    • Excellent software - handles collections of any size (some guys are using this with 400+GB disk arrays).
    • Platform-independent
    • Big, bright, vacuum fluorescent display, instead of a crappy LCD
    • No fans or any moving parts - totally quiet

    Check out the full specs...
    1. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by crazney · · Score: 2

      or NOT...

      Your web page doesnt say anything about OGG support, so I'm guessing its NOT what he's looking for.

      craz ;-)

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    2. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your web page doesnt say anything about OGG support, so I'm guessing its NOT what he's looking for.

      Actually, the web site *does* mention ogg, right in the FAQ. We get a lot of requests for this, and we would love to support the format. Here's the full story:

      The ogg vorbis codec (even with the new integer implementation) is so CPU intensive that it does not fit into anything smaller than a 75MHZ ARM processor, and even then it's a squeeze. This means that despite all the merits of this format, it is not currently possible for manufacturers of inexpensive playback devices to support the format.

      However, what we DO support is transcoding from ogg to high-bit-rate MP3, if your server is fast enough to support it. Yes, we all know that transcoding from one lossy format to another is bad, but 320Kbps MP3 is not going to introduce any significant new artificacts on top of an ogg stream.

      That's the best we can do, until somebody comes up with an inepensive way to decode ogg. The feature works on Unix systems that have lame and ogg123 installed, but we don't list it as a supported feature because it doesn't work on Windows (yet).

    3. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hard to say exactly, but last I checked, a suitable ARM SOC in our kind of volume would run about $20. That's just for the chip - you also need a few MB of SDRAM and flash, a DAC, and possibly a separate Ethernet chip, depending on which chip you choose. Also you might need a little microcontroller in there to handle things like IR reception and the display interface. This is pretty much the architecture of the Audiotron and some other network players, though I don't think any of them support vorbis. Don't forget, there's a lot of other stuff going on in the CPU on those machines, as they do all the indexing and UI work on the client.

      All in all, it works out to a much higher BOM. I tried to keep the electronics as lean as possible, so I could splurge on the display and still offer a generally better product than the "big guys".

    4. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by Alien+Being · · Score: 2

      "what we DO support is transcoding from ogg to high-bit-rate MP3"

      Why not send the decoded ogg over the wire in raw format? It's only about 1.3Mb/sec, just a fraction of a 10BaseT.

    5. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by seanadams.com · · Score: 2

      Why not send the decoded ogg over the wire in raw format?

      We're working with Micronas to get a firmware image for the decoder chip that will let it do this (basically, a "null codec"). No luck yet, though the rest of the system is fast enough to handle the data rate.

    6. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by mcspock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You actually can decode ogg on something smaller than a 75mhz arm, it just depends on what else you are doing. The integer version they released runs in

      Someone else suggests streaming wav files, but i'm guessing you dont have enough ram to buffer that and on networks with mild congestion you'd get dropouts. Transcoding is really not good for audio quality, for those who consider the above to be a viable option.

      As a side note, you mention that it's not possible for manufacturers of inexpensive playback devices to support the format, but that's not correct - iRiver will likely add ogg to their devices (which are mostly cirrus based). Also you dont really have an inexpensive device ($250 is a lot, since you aren't handing out 30% margins to retailers on this).

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    7. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by mlong · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The ogg vorbis codec (even with the new integer implementation) is so CPU intensive that it does not fit into anything smaller than a 75MHZ ARM processor, and even then it's a squeeze. This means that despite all the merits of this format, it is not currently possible for manufacturers of inexpensive playback devices to support the format.

      I don't know if it helps or not but there has been a lot of optimization since Tremor has been released. You may find it runs much faster now. You may want to review the list archives.

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    8. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by nathanh · · Score: 2

      You said

      Do the math again. 10BaseT is 10 _megabits_ per second, not megabytes.

      And he said

      Why not send the decoded ogg over the wire in raw format? It's only about 1.3Mb/sec

      Little "b" means "bits". 10baseT is plenty of bandwidth for streaming CD audio.

    9. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by volsung · · Score: 2

      Although other responses to this question have said that even Tremor isn't fast enough, I'd like to mention that Nicholas Pitre on the tremor list has been working a lot on optimizing the tremor decoder since its release. I'd encourage people with one of these boxes and willing to tinker to check out tremor from the Xiph.org CVS server, look through the tremor mail archives, and see if Tremor is still too slow.

    10. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by Alien+Being · · Score: 2

      44,100 samples/second # sampling rate
      * 16 # bits/sample
      = 705,600 # bits/second

      That's one channel. Stereo == 1,411,200 bits/second

      Even with the overhead of tcp and ftp, 10Baset can typically handle about 8,00,000 bits/second.

    11. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by Alien+Being · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I never said whether I came from Mars of Venus.

    12. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by jshare · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't work for the company, but I own the product.

      This product kicks all ass. Sure, it's a bit tough to run it on a P100, since so much work is server side, and in perl. But, once you move it to a Celeron333, you basically give up 20% CPU to the server, and then you are all set.

      It's really quite a good product. I'm using it in the kitchen (which is frankly where I listen to most of my music.) It's really nice to have 700 albums on tap in the kitchen.

      I also use the Audrey for when the remote is out of reach. The web interface is quite good, even without stylesheets. They fixed a bug in it (the web interface) recently, which really goes to highlight how nice it is to have the server software available via CVS. They are incredibly responsive via their mailing list (and yahoo *shudder* forum).

      I'm not claiming this is the best slimp3 player (although I'm /certain/ it's very good compared to the competition), because they've had all kinds of shortcomings. But it /is/ open source. Some guy has even developed his own VB version of the server (which, according to his statements, is quite a bit more efficient than the SlimDevices version, albeit win32 only.). This is the most graphic example (to me) of why open source is good.

      They accept patches (and, if you are good, CVS updates) from the outside. It's incredibly, incredibly nice to have this kind of flexibility.

      Hmmm.. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure this is the first time that I've be consciously aware of benefiting directly from the Open Source nature. Well, I guess I'm a convert now.

      This product has gotten nothing but better in the time I've owned it. If you have the infrastructure (server box with access to the mp3s (i use a linux box via samba to my windows box), and ethernet near your stereo), then I think this product is literally the best thing available on the market.

      *sigh*...I've been drinking, though, so, grain of NaCl, etc.

      Jordan

    13. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by marko123 · · Score: 2

      " It's really nice to have 700 albums on tap in the kitchen."

      On tap as in beer?

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    14. Re:Disclaimer: I work for this company. by jshare · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, on tap as in speech.

      Wait, what?

      Jordan

  10. Try and Audrey by davinci27 · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's exactly what I['m doing with my audrey. The audrey has a nice touch screen so its easy to use. Mounts nfs/smb shares, has and IR port that you control with a learning remote.

    You can buy them for about $100 and with a 32meg CF card update them pretty quickly. Mine has a digital picture frame that runs and pulls random pictures from a share, a full screen mp3/ogg player and a callerid display. It sits beside my sofa so I can get to it easily.

    Check out Linux Hacker BBs and audreyhacking.com

    1. Re:Try and Audrey by davinci27 · · Score: 2, Informative

      How much effort did you put into it. and how long ago was it?

      The audrey has mad pretty big advanes. you can basically make a small QNX install with alot of the functionality including USB support for input, configuration utilities, utilities, and more. You can browse the web, watch flash, play mp3s, stream Real and mp3, us it as a callerid, vnc terminal, address book, print to network printers and more

      I'll admit when I first got mine a year ago, it took a lot of work to get all these things to work, but now there are cf images that allow you to add all these features in the matter of 10 minutes.

      I wouldn't count it out quite so quickly

  11. FlameThrower Linux by phatvibez · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is a project I found a little while ago that is trying to create a Linux distro (actually just a graphical interface) for home theater multimedia devices to be displayed on the TV.

    here is the homepage:
    http://staff.washington.edu/jmgasper/index.htm

    check out the screenshots here, pretty cool looking!:
    http://staff.washington.edu/jmgasper/screenshots.h tm

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    1. Re:FlameThrower Linux by Antipop · · Score: 2

      That project does look nice, but it's nowhere near complete and you can't even download a beta to work on.

      I think the original poster was looking for something he could actually use :).

  12. Review by T-Kir · · Score: 3, Informative

    Toms Hardware did a review a couple of months ago... a good read, I was thinking about getting it, but now I'm redoing my music in OGG so we'll just have to wait until more hardware players get in on the act and support OGG.

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  13. AUDIOTRON!!! by zerofoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Info here.

    I own two of these. The audiotron works by scanning a windows/samba share...so it will work with linux.

    It is audio component sized, uses ethernet or HPNA, is rack-mountable,uses an IR remote control, and turtle beach even publishes the IR codes for programming devices like a Pronto.

    I'm not sure about OGG support. My whole collection is MP3, but it does support WMA (groan).

    There is no TV out support. It does, however, have an optical digital out, if you choose to use external D/A conversion.

    I've been very happy with mine. I got gave away a sonic blue balls device because it required proprietary server software....and the support sucked.

    Hope this is helpful.

    -ted

  14. Re:New /. category? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 3, Informative

    That actually depends on where this guy is from. If he's from the US, then you're probably right. If he's from Denmark, he could have gone to the library, hauled cd's home by the truckload, ripped them and he'd still be on the right side of the law, as long as he doesn't let anyone borrow his copies.

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  15. Got a PS2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can use QCast Tuner software on your networked PS2 to get most of these features... Check it out here: http://www.broadq.com/qcast.html It will have .OGG and S/PDIF output shortly (next week or so, they claim.) The audio/video quality are amazing -- I'm a beta tester.

  16. If the sound is good enough... by Junta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wouldn't give up on the computer unless the audio card delivers unsatisfying sound quality or the system makes too much noise on it's own.

    For one, using the gui is not necessarily the best approach anyway. For one there are keyboard shortcuts in most every application. For another, you could get something like xmms-lirc and some other relatively cheap device and use a remote on your system.

    The *huge* plus for having an HTPC is that you are not limited to mere music applications. Video is a decent option, and games as well. I know the resolution is not great on most TVs, but can't beat them for size.

    But if you *really* want to go over the deepend in price, you could improve your display technology. A projector that does XGA (1024x768) is very awesome. If you like big screens and like Video, that is a life saver, and it can cut down in cords. For example, you would have your screen and probably stereo speakers of front, with one wire for each speaker running, say, behind your couch. You keep all your stereo and video equipment back there, or next to your couch. I'm big on video game systems, so the cords on controllers are more convenient this way. Plus, I don't have to move my butt off the couch to change DVDs when I'm watching a Box Set in a sitting... Of course, a decent projector runs a couple of thousand, and you can't walk in front of it, so it is something you have to carefully consider...

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    1. Re:If the sound is good enough... by ergo98 · · Score: 2

      On the same lines, many HDTV TVs nowadays offer DVI inputs, allowing one an extremely high quality display on their TV. HDTI 1080i is, I believe 1920x1080 (interlaced of course, though there is a 1080p on some ultra high end sets I think), which is nothing to scoff at.

  17. Re:New /. category? by ddent · · Score: 5, Informative

    Under Canadian copyright law, he'd be fine AFAIK. Don't assume everyone lives where you do :).

  18. Turtle Beach AudioTron by PhotonSphere · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Turtle Beach AudioTron has been tempting me for quite some time. I've looked at many other component systems and this seems to be the most solid in terms of support, build quality, and ease of use.

    If you don't want to have to run a patch cable to it, simply use a wireless bridge like the LinkSys WET11 or get a wireless ethernet converter to tie it into your SAMBA server.

  19. According to US Code, mix tapes are quite legal by yerricde · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not legal to make mix tapes.

    Oh really? Let me pull out the letter of the United States Code:

    17 USC 107: The fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords ... for purposes such as[1] ... is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include ...

    17 USC 1008: No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a ... recording device, or a ... recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings.

    [1] 17 USC 101: The terms ''including'' and ''such as'' are illustrative and not limitative.

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    1. Re:According to US Code, mix tapes are quite legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      By leaving out the key phrases in these laws with ellipses, you have gutted the meanings.

      Here's what you left out of the first one:

      such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research

      These are examples of types of things that are covered. Note that "giving to your friend" is not even close to a fair use right as implied by this law.

      1008 clearly covers the hardware, not the audio thereupon. IOW, you can sue for infringement, but not for making devices that make infringement possible.

      "Illustrative" means that the items used to illustrate have some sort of significance towards the total meaning of the illustrated topic. The illustrated Fair Use rights all point to things life education and criticism. They do not imply that any copying is fine, and in fact, the entire Section 17 of the U.S. Code is written in order to explain the extent of copyright and the limitations of non-copyright holders. Section 106 seems skipped over in your fervor to post an RIAA attack.

  20. AudioRequest by inicom · · Score: 4, Informative

    ARQ2-135 or their new TeraServer

    Absolutely the best engineered component MP3 player available.

    ReQuest Multimedia

    rs232, tcp/ip, and IR control, digital out, tv out (composite and s-video), analog out, analog in, built-in samba and webserver, runs QNX, excellent support, pre-written modules for control from high-end systems like Crestron, drives are swappable, fully-documented open protocols, java remote, etc, etc. Highly recommended. I have an ARQ1 that I'm very happy with, and I get to play with ARQ2-135's almost everyday.

    PR link at request

    (I have played with Arrakis DC6, Escient Fireball's, Lansonic, and prefer the AudioRequest by far. If I was going to recommend a runner up, it would be the Arrakis because of the 6 zones, but the AudioRequest wins for me because of MP3 support, upcoming OggVorbis support, better interfaces and it is their primary business).

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  21. Yes! We have a chilling effect on songwriting! by yerricde · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The moment you say that musical works are somehow worth less than written works or inventions, then you have stripped musicians of their rights.

    There's no way to guarantee that the song you just wrote isn't also the song that somebody else just wrote. Such coincidences are exceedingly likely to happen, and defending oneself in court against an allegation of plagiarism is prohibitively expensive for a novice songwriter. Thus, songwriters are already stripped of their rights.

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  22. Re:You're the problem by aronc · · Score: 2

    Why was this even posted? It's people like this that cause problems with the RIAA. That's not fair use, that's plain theft.


    Nope. Check the audio home recording act. Not illegal.

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  23. This is what I did. by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 2

    Check it out here

    Audrey's make a perfect dumb terminal for web applications and you can problably put it on a shelf by your home entertainment system. I keep my Audry in the kitchen so I can pull up recipes too.

  24. TurtleBeach AudioTron by Ageless · · Score: 3, Informative

    A few other people have mentioned it but I will too. I have a Turtle Beach AudioTron and it totally kicks ass.

    As far as features go, it's fairly basic. It plays MP3 and MP3 streams using SMB over Ethernet or phone LAN (whatever that is called). It has a good front panel and remote and a very good web interface.

    I've had mine for a bit less than a year and it's been one of my favorite purchases since the day I got it.

    If you get (or have) one and use Windows, also check out a little system tray app I wrote called ATTray which makes it quick to control the AT from your computer.

  25. Re:TV as a linux display by Osty · · Score: 2, Informative

    Keep in mind that a TV will loose about 30% of the resolution on a TV. While NTSC is 640x480, the optical effect of interlacing (your computer monitor is non-interlaced, more commonly referred to as as progressive) the TV screen appears to be about 448x336.

    And that's why you buy a TV with HD inputs, and a VGA to Component transcoder. That way, you can get progressive scan resolutions (480p, 720p if you buy a TV that supports it), or higher resolutions (1080i, while interlaced, is still pretty good -- 540p, which is based off of 1080i and really is still interlaced, is also pretty nice). And the most important part -- you don't need a separate video-out card to do composite or s-vid to your TV. This works with any standard VGA port, and requires no software support at all (well, aside from being able to manipulate your resolutions, but PowerStrip does that, and while it's Windows-only software, it can spit out X modelines, so you can use it in a roundabout way to do Linux.

  26. What if by Earlybird · · Score: 2

    What if he only listens to the borrowed music when his friends are around?

  27. Here's a new take on things by Nathdot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...it is all from CDs that I personally own or have borrowed from friends

    I hear a whole bunch of people rushing to say insightful things such as "Uh dude, don't you know that's illegal?"

    So here's the counter point: Who gives a fuck!

    What are you all? His mother or something? Don't you have a sore ass from riding that moral high horse all day? The question wasn't whether or not he had your express permission to own certain mp3/ogg copies of the music.

    It was, paraphrased: "What's an easy stand alone solution for playing the music", probably asked for the benefit of visiting non-techy friends to allow them to cue and play some tunes in his lounge room, without first getting a degree or reading massive amounts of documentation.

    Haven't any of you ever owned a mix cassete tape recorded from the radio/a friends album? Did that stop you buying LPs?

    Sheesh

    1. Re:Here's a new take on things by DNAGuy · · Score: 2

      That's right. In Canada, you may make a copy of a copyrighted work for your own use, even if you do not own the original. That means you can go over to someone's house, burn all their CD's, and it's all totally legal, so long as you make the copies. Your friend can help you, but if he or she actually makes the copies for you, the copy is illegal.

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  28. Re:iPod by archen · · Score: 2

    I have found that ogg -q 0 (~64Kbit) is as good as 128Kbit Mp3...

    I don't know what you're smoking that makes ogg sound that good at that rate, but give me some too. Most of the stuff I encode is q5, and I want to know how good it can get =P

  29. Re:Remote Control Linux? by uhoreg · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, it's possible. You can even control xmms with it. Or even (shameless plug) AlsaPlayer (although the AlsaPlayer control doesn't work the way it should, yet. It's just a load of hackery at this point.). One issue, though, with all these, is setting up playlists. AFAIK the xmms plugin has some playlist control, but I've never tried it. The AlsaPlayer has basically nothing.

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  30. Heres what I'd use by doublesix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd setup your existing PC as a file server and use a playstation2, with a network adapter, and sony remote as the client. Use this software: http://www.qcast.com/qcast2.html Added bonus: Grand Theft Auto

  31. xmms-remote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just use xmms-remote and xosd for display. In combination with a good tv card, xawtv, lirc, and mplayer, you can have a full media center running from your linux box. It took me 2 hours to set up, and my roomates love it.

  32. A nice little project by Burl+Ives · · Score: 3, Informative
    I wrote some gtk software to do just that. Haven't released it yet (not mature enough, missing most features), but it works pretty well on the home tv/stereo system with lirc, a $35 Irman, and my universal remote (sony rmvl900). It plays using xmms in the background, so it can do anything xmms does (I think can play ogg). Also it plays videos with MPlayer.

    There are a few similar projects out there as well that I've been tracking.

    • Myth TV has a music mode AND does live tv functionality! (I will probably migrate to this instead of continuing my project).
    • Dave/Dina project may fit the bill too.
    • IR File Chooser for the perl hackers. :)
  33. The noncommercial use by a consumer by yerricde · · Score: 2

    Note that "giving to your friend" is not even close to a fair use right as implied by this law.

    I can see several instances where a mix tape could express "criticism" of the works involved. For instance, following "Puff Daddy feat. Dave Grohl - It's All About the Benjamins (rock remix)" with "Marilyn Manson - I Don't Like the Drugs (but the Drugs Like Me)" shows how Manson's guitar line is substantially similar to Puffy's. Manson's publisher can't sue me because of Manson's own unclean hands, and Puffy's publisher wouldn't want to waste its time with me because it can get more money from Manson's publisher, a commercial entity. Same with "Chiffons - He's So Fine" and "George Harrison - My Sweet Lord", if done non-commercially. It might even be OK to use any song first published between 1923 and (current year minus 75) non-commercially as a "comment" on the Bono Act. With regard to the "amount and substantiality" provision, I typically don't put the whole song in mix discs that I make.

    1008 clearly covers the hardware, not the audio thereupon.

    Are you sure about this? "No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright ... based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of [a recording] device or medium for making ... musical recordings" (17 USC 1008).

    Section 106 seems skipped over

    The sections I quoted start with "Notwithstanding section 106". Those sections are intended to give legitimate reasons to skip 106.

    Are you a troll employed by the RIAA or one of its member labels?

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  34. My way... by djupedal · · Score: 2, Informative

    iTunes and Home Theater - wireless of course... - Please check it out...unlimited library and internet streaming from one room to another.

  35. Re:New /. category? by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    "Ask Slashdot How To Break the Law"

    It is all in mp3 or ogg format and it is all from CDs that I personally own or have borrowed from friends (emphasis added)

    Ummm...this is illegal, dude.


    When did the RIAA partner up with Dell?

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  36. Not replacement but amendment by yerricde · · Score: 2

    So you determine that the entirety of Title 17 is in need of replacement because of one bad judgement?

    No, I determine that some minor amendment to Title 17 is in order. For one thing, roll the copyright terms in chapter 3 back a couple decades. For another, create a clear substantial non-infringing use exception to offenses under 1201. Then, "amount and substantiality" in section 107 needs to be clarified, and the scope of what constitutes a "derivative work" (as opposed to an appropriation of an uncopyrightable idea, section 102b) needs to be clearly restricted so that every work isn't counted as a derivative of some existing work.

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  37. Re:New /. category? by zsmooth · · Score: 2

    The RIAA has no jurisdiction. It's not a government institution. It's a company.

  38. I hate to say it . . by pickanothername · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Grab a 2-U case and build what you have under . . .
    *GASP*
    WinXP. I hate to say it, but for this application, Windows running UIce for a remote interpolation prog seems to work best for me. I played with several different things, but the best performance/usability I've gotten is with XP and UIce using an AverTV card. Here's why:

    1) The AverTV Studio card works best under Windows and has limited TIVO-like functionality and has a remote control that most IR remote apps will recognize. It's also suprising quality, and quite cheap.
    2) UIce will direct keystrokes to any running prog, and any key on a remote can be designated to pracicaly any function, including mouse movement.
    3) WinAmp has a nifty double-size function that makes it quite usable on the TV. I don't know if XMMS or any of it's ilk have this, though.
    4) A 2-U case with stereo feet screwed to the bottom looks like a stereo componant, mayhaps an amp.
    5) Guests can use the machine intuitively. They already understand how everything works for the most part, they just have to get used to using an IR remote for the computer.

    Reasons why Windows isn't a good choice for this:

    1) Security. Unless your machine is behind a firewall, I wouldn't recomend it.
    2) Umm . . . you want to run Linux.

    I've built the box, and am quite impressed with the results. I'll be putting up a page for what to use and blah and blah in about a month, once I've got the faceplate cut and installed.

    -Dirk R.
    Sure, nobody asked me, but I knew they eventually would.

    1. Re:I hate to say it . . by manly_15 · · Score: 2, Informative
      3) WinAmp has a nifty double-size function that makes it quite usable on the TV. I don't know if XMMS or any of it's ilk have this, though.
      XMMS does support doublesize, and WinAmp skins. From a GUI perspective, XMMS is almost identical to WinAmp. If you surf over to the XMMS Misc. Plugins page, you will see a wide varitey of plugins sutible for what you need to do, including command line interpreters and remote control interfaces.
    2. Re:I hate to say it . . by Howie · · Score: 2

      Yep - I'm working on something similar, using Win2k on an nForce Duron PC, with Direct3d to make a nice frontend, talking to my FreeBSD fileserver over samba. For the moment, Winamp and an IR keyboard are the UI, until I get the time to finish my code.

      I'm not that happy with any of the TV-out VGA cards I've seen so far though. My PS2 and Dreamcast can do solid clear 800x600 on my TV - why can't any PC hardware?

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    3. Re:I hate to say it . . by g4dget · · Score: 2

      Everything you describe works on Linux as well. And with Linux, you save a couple of hundred dollars in software licenses.

    4. Re:I hate to say it . . by geekoid · · Score: 2

      3. don't agree with the EULA.
      4. Philosophical reasons.

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    5. Re:I hate to say it . . by Hoser+McMoose · · Score: 2

      A 2U case?! What? Are you NUTS?! Have you SEEN a 2U case? Those things may only be 9cm tall, but they're 48cm wide and more importantly, they're usually around least 60cm deep!

      Here's a better solution, get a MiniITX case with a VIA Eden inside (ideally one with a PCI riser card so that you can put a better sound card in). Total cost would be about $200. It's small, more than fast enough for what is needed, and will run without a fan.

      As for the WinXP vs. Linux debate, the main downside to using WinXP for this application is that the license costs about $200, thereby doubling the price of the box.

  39. 525, not 577 by yerricde · · Score: 2, Informative

    NTSC (digital) is spec'd 720*577 (including vertical blanking) for a full frame (2 fields).

    I was under the distinct impression that NTSC and PAL/M were specified as 525 lines per frame, not 577. PAL video is 625 lines. You may be thinking of PAL's visible area.

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  40. audiotron and slimp3 by asv108 · · Score: 2
    There are quite a few network mp3 players out on the market. I currently use a turtle beach Audiotron, you can check out a little review I wrote up a few months ago.

    The other one that has received quite a bit of press around here is the Slimp3 player. The slimp3 is a nice player, especially if you want something that you can hack, since the source code and architecture is all open.

    If you want to make any wired network player wireless, there are products available.

  41. audiotron... by Polo · · Score: 2

    The Audiotron is probably what you're looking for... except for the ogg. I don't think it does ogg, but if the slimp3 can do transcoding, this one can play raw .wav files, so maybe the server can decode the .ogg and the raw data can stream across the network (which could be better than transcoding)

    Oh yeah, and it looks like a stereo component and has a high-contrast display.

  42. Re:SliMP3 by gmhowell · · Score: 2

    If you have a fast enough processor, you can transcode the ogg into an mp3.

    Read the slimp3 discussion boards about this.

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  43. Slim Devices, Inc: Marketing Transcript by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Marketing: So you guys all post on Slashdot, right?
    RJV: Yeah.
    Zarbuck: Of course.
    seanadams.com: Duh.
    Speare: Do I even have to answer that?
    Marketing: Ok, RJV, why don't you do an Ask Slashdot, and ask for a 'Component MP3/OGG Player' or whatever would catch the linux geeks attention.
    RJV: Okay...
    Marketing: Then the rest of you recommend the SliMP3 Ethernet MP3 player, and hope you get modded up.
    Speare: Why would we want to do this?
    Marketing: It's like free advertising... everybody does it. Those silly Slashdot editors are oblivious to our power...
    Zarbuck: Ah, so we just push the fact that it is penguin-friendly, and the linux hoards will make us rich!
    RJV: But it doesn't support OGG... and that would be the main attraction for the linux fellows.
    seanadams.com: Aw, just mention that in the ask slashdot, and if anyone asks, I'll just make up some crap and hopefully they'll fall for it...

  44. Jensen Matrix by keyslammer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It sounds like you're looking for something that will allow you more control at the point where you're listening, but...

    I've been using the Jensen Matrix audio transmitter to transmit from my computer to a receiver attached to my stereo over 900mhz. It's convenient because I mostly listen to random mixes, but I'm a little disappointed in the sound quality and my cordless phone tends to interfere with it.

  45. Re:New /. category? by einhverfr · · Score: 2

    Ummm...this is illegal, dude. There's no problem borrowing you're friend's CD to listen to it, but making a COPY is a violation of COPYright. If you want your own copy of the music, buy it. If you have a problem with the law, write to your local congress critter. If you want to commit civil disobedience, do so boldly and publicly and be prepared to go to jail. If you want to besmirch the reputation of slashdot, ask everyone to help you violate copyright law.


    IANAL, but IIRC, the home recording act allows recording off albums you borrow from your friends (or at least grants some immunity from prosecution). I live in the US too so for those who don't your milage may vary. Also, this is different from Napster which could be argued to be more like selling burned albums on the street corner...

    So, I guess you's argue that if I quote (*copy*) a part of a book in a school project, I should be paying royalties, right?

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  46. Specifically by einhverfr · · Score: 2

    No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings. (Audio Home Recording Act, 1976)

    Again, IANAL, so I don't know of a whole lot of case law to back this up. Perhaps the Slashdot category should be "Actions under laws that the RIAA doesn't like too much." Also note that 2/3rds of the royalties collected go to musician agencies, NOT industry agencies, 1/6 go to publishers (i.e. RIAA) and 1/6 go to writers. For a link to the enire law, see http://www.virtualrecordings.com/ahra.htm

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  47. Re:New /. category? by Geekboy(Wizard) · · Score: 2

    Dude, you're going to jail!

  48. Re:SliMP3 by Speare · · Score: 2

    It can't play ogg unless transcoded on the pc server. It's a hardware mp3 decoder. The pc server doesn't send waveform to the terminal, it sends mp3 chunks to the terminal to be decoded.

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  49. Sharp Zaurus and 802.11 wireless by splorf · · Score: 2
    Here is how I want to set my audio system up:

    Put all the files on an old laptop with an 802.11 access point. Connect it to my stereo through an Edirol UA-1A or Stereo-link USB audio converter, which should give much better sound quality than a typical PC sound card. The Griffin Technology IMIC is another possibility. Run a web server on the laptop that allows selecting and playing songs from a remote web browser. Then use my Sharp Zaurus Linux-based PDA with an 802.11 CF wireless card to control the system using its built-in web browser to pick out songs and play them. If I get really fancy, I can scan all the CD liner pamphlets and put them on the laptop too. Then the browser can display them and I can read the lyrics while the music is playing.

    This is all done with simple stuff that I have kicking around the house already (crappy old 300 mhz laptop etc.), so except for the wireless cards which I don't have yet, will cost less than buying stereo stuff and give far more functionality and flexibility, plus of course use entirely free source code. It will be sooooo cool. I just couldn't see doing it any other way.

  50. Cajun?? by gregington · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know you are after a component system but have you looked at building a CAJUN? Although it is designed for cars (Car Audio Jukebox for UNix), I use it as a home audio component (a HAJUN!).

    I have it set up with an IR reciever on a serial port and the display is Crystalfontz 20x4 LCD panel. As for how it fits your requirements:

    1. Ethernet connectivity: Runs linux, so can mount/share Samba/NFS or anything you like
    2. Intuitive interface: You can program the remote any way you like, does take some getting used to though.
    3. IR Remote: I use the IRMAN remote.
    4. OGGs and MP3s: I don't think it can play OGGs yet, but I beieve that is being worked on
    5. TV out: No, but the LCD panel is used for output
    6. Digital Out: Depends on your soundcard (I have digital out on a Yamaha 744 based soundcard)
    7. CDR Capabilities: You can mount removeable media on the CAJUN

    I built one two years ago and an very happy with it. I am still using the v3 software, v4 may have more features that you requrire. Its worth checking out.

  51. Great box for this application by lingenfr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would think that a Shuttle mini-barebones system would make a great platform for this. Unfortunately, they can't seem to get all of the features in one box. The SV24/25 and SS40/G/50/G have the TV Out and the SS51G has the the SPDIF In/Out. The SS51G goes for around $300. I have a Hauppauge WinCast/dbx that I am pretty happy with which should fit in the SS51G just fine. I am not positive, but I believe that it has an Irda header on the mobo or you can build a receiver as shown on the lirc webpage. Throw a DVD (or even a DVD/CDR/CDRW so you can make CDs for your friends on the fly) and you have a quite impressive box. I have a Linksys wireless network in the house, so would probably opt for a WET11 to connect wirelessly. If an 800Mhz processor would get the job done, use the Cyrix as it runs cool enough that you don't need a fan. I own a couple of SV24s and have been very happy with them, but Shuttle keeps cranking out new versions so quickly that all I can do is salivate. This has been a great discussion. Thanks.

    1. Re:Great box for this application by Howie · · Score: 2

      an 800Mhz processor would get the job done, use the Cyrix as it runs cool enough that you don't need a fan.

      While I agree with the Shuttle as a fine choice for this type of application, please don't mislead people by implying that an 800Mhz C3 is anything like an 800Mhz anything else...

      Never before has that old 'Mhz are not all there is' meant so much. I have an 800Mhz C3 and it is slooooow. Benchmarks show the FPU perfomance as about the same as a K6-2/450.

      I like it, because it runs totally silently, and it does have enough oomph to run FreeBSD, X and an MP3 player from flash, but it is NOT similar to other 800Mhz processors.

      Incidentally, another possiblity that a friend has tried is underclocking Tualatin Celerons. Apparently, his 1.2Ghz Cel running at 800Mhz will also run fanless, and I bet he gets better performance out of it too.

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  52. My goofy setup by scumdamn · · Score: 2

    I've got a headless box running Windows 98 (first edition) and TightVNC server. I store all my MP3 files on the drive of that system and VNC in to play them. It's not like you need to do anything but setup a playlist and go, so I just close the connection after I get them started.

  53. Re:SliMP3 by seanadams.com · · Score: 2

    This sounds interesting. When you say "in concert", do you mean
    that the music output is perfectly synchronized on each device?
    So I can have several of these things around the house, and not
    get nasty echoing effects when I play the same tunes out of all of them at once? I had assumed that the various buffering at different stages along the way would make this impossible.


    That is correct. Of course there are practical limitations due to network and OS latency on the server, but it gets very close to perfect sync. When the stream initially starts up, it is synchronized to within 2ms (that's roughly two feet at the speed of sound). So as you walk from room to room, you won't hear any reverb/echo effect. This effect only becomes noticeable to the untrained ear at about 75ms, and annoying at about 100ms. At 2ms, it's probably less than the delay between your two speakers!

    After multiple players have been running for a long time (about 12-24 hrs) they may drift out of sync a little. However, it resyncs every time you switch tracks, so drift is not a problem unless you're using this for an unusual application where you need perfect sync with a continuous stream, for days on end.

    In case you were wondering, the UI for this is also pretty itneresting. When multiple SliMP3s are grouped together, they all share the same playback queue. However, music browsing and player-specific things like brightness/volume can all be controlled independently. When you hit fast forward/stop/pause etc, all the players repsond in unison.

  54. Re:SliMP3 by Tokerat · · Score: 2

    This is very very cool. I wish, however, they offered alternative case designs. A rack mount would be nice (well, for me) and maybe a nicer display, I dunno, maybe Apple will make an Airport compatable one as part of their "Digital Hub" ;-)

    Very cool stuff, however.

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  55. Slimp3 by gessel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Slimp3 works really well, exactly the right solution to this problem.

    check it out.

    Disclaimer - I have friends there, but I wouldn't let it bias my opinion: I use it and it rocks.

  56. Full Screen Winamp Skin by nuxx · · Score: 2

    The only thing that is needed to make Winamp a viable front end for something like this is a full screen skin for Winamp 3.x. I personally would like 1024x768 one for the notebook in the kitchen... 800x600 would be good for some of the cheaper commidity touchscreens out there, too.

  57. and for a remote? by GunFodder · · Score: 2

    Get an iRMan input device and a universal remote. It is pretty easy to make WinAmp work with this remote solution. I still haven't spent the time getting my remote to work with ATI's multimedia center, which is a bit trickier.

  58. get a Mini-ITX system by g4dget · · Score: 2

    Consider getting a Mini-ITX system (mini-itx.com). For about $200, you can get a system with processor, memory, and a nice small case (e.g., caseoutlet.com). Just add a disk and install Linux on it. The system has TV-out and a bunch of other features.

  59. A better remote by los+furtive · · Score: 2

    Get the ATI RF USB remote (available from their site). Works like a usb mouse but is a touch pad on the remote, removes line of site issues since it's RF, and is just damn plain cool.

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  60. If you want 802.11, get Linksys WET11 by hqm · · Score: 2
    If you want 802.11 to hook to an ethernet device, you can get the linksys WET11 wireless ethernet bridge for http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=4 32&grid=22

    I got one to use for my Model 28 teletype server, which runs in the living room.

  61. My solution (includes Linux) by gosand · · Score: 2
    I wanted the same thing, so here is what I did to solve it. The only thing I would like would be to have remote control support.

    Dell PII machine (about $85 at the time)

    decent sound card (about $25)

    4MB video card w/TVout (cheap)

    GNUMP3d serving up the MP3s over my network (very cool and easy mp3 server, supports ogg. Can be set to stream or download files)

    The Dell system came with a 2GB hard drive, which I installed Redhat7.3 on. I couldn't get Xwindows to work right with the TVout. So I installed Win98, it all worked fine. But I wasn't happy with it. Then I found Knoppix. This improved my system in two ways:
    1. It is running Linux
    2. It is near silent.
    Because Knoppix boots off the CD, I didn't need the hard drive anymore. It plays all my MP3s over my network.

    It could be a cooler setup, but it works for me. The interface is web based, so I do have to use a mouse/keyboard, but it is a small price to pay. I suppose you could get IR controls working, or get a wireless mouse/keyboard.

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  62. FM Transmitter by pop1280 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I built one to hook up to my MP3 server, and it's worked great. Now my server has a cron job to play the appropriate playlists at certain times of day. The other benefit is that it can do non-MP3 things, such as download the weather forecast and read it (using festival) to me. I also made a pretty simple web interface for when I need to pick songs to play or create a new playlist.

    Here's a link to my model. I've been very happy with it. It took about 15 hours to put together (including time to learn to solder).

  63. Re:Article.... by diesel_jackass · · Score: 2

    ...or how about Merriam-Webster's instead?

  64. Re:TV as a linux display by Osty · · Score: 2

    From everything I've read (AVS Forums, Home Theater Spot), the ATI dongle seems to be a little flakey. For my money (and I know $200 >> $30), a proper VGA to Component transcoder is the way to go. Way fewer headaches. Though ATIs suck for custom resolutions, so expect to deal with a bit of overscan. It looks like the best solution right now is to pick up a WinPVR or WinPVR 250 and an nVidia GeForce-based card, a VGA->Component transcoder, and PowerStrip. I'm still dealing with my AIW 7500, though.


    Now to wait for AT&T to bring HD to digital cable, and then find some way to get that into the HTPC ...

  65. Re: Audiotron and Net radio. by zerofoo · · Score: 2

    Right! I forgot about net radio. I actually found some new artists on net radio...and guess what? I went out and bought their CDs! The RIAA should be thankful that net radio can play the music that clear channel and the like refuse to play.

    Non-top 40 artists should be pissed that the RIAA is persecuting net radio....it could be their only shot at airplay.

    -ted