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Slashback: Dilemma, Privacy, Chess

Slashback tonight with updates on Deep Fritz, the interaction of Microsoft service packs and privacy laws, and the view from the shuttle tank-cam, and a depressing update on the Nissan squatting case. Read on for the details.

Front-row seats. zer0vector writes "The previously mentioned camera that was attached to the external fuel tank on Atlantis gave some great shots of launch this afternoon on NASA TV. During the feed, it looked like the ejection of the solid rocket boosters damaged or obscured the camera, leading to a fuzzy image during the fuel tank separation stage."

SkyNet has not yet achieved consciousness. DrEnter writes "According to this Yahoo article, Vladimir Kramnik has defeated 'Deep Fritz' (apparently the world's most powerful chess computer) to take the lead, 2.5-0.5 (the first game was a draw). You can find out more details at the contest site."

Damned if you do, but also if you don't. cybaea writes "A recent article in InfoWorld argues that the latest Windows 2000 and Windows XP Service Packs may be illegal for health care providers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. To make matters worse, not installing the Service Packs may also be illegal. Damned if you do, damned if you don't ..."

Dad, please switch to a real operating system. It's still spreading. deego writes " An e-mail-borne computer virus that lets crackers control infected Windoze machines remotely continues to spread and constitutes the most severe attack this year. The worm, known as W32.Bugbear, or I-Worm.Tanatos, infects computers that use Microsoft's Windows operating systems. It was first spotted a week ago and has spread to dozens of countries. Article here."

Please sit down first. calib0r writes "CNN.com is running an article on the most recent events dealing with the nissan.com lawsuit. Salon.com ran an article about this a few months ago. More information can also be found here."

52 of 340 comments (clear)

  1. Big surprise about Hipaa by Brento · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just about EVERYTHING is illegal under HIPAA. I've never seen such ridiculously stringent specs. If you want a good laugh, check out www.hipaacomply.com and read through the technology FAQ's. Even faxing is restricted.

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  2. I have a dilemma by Burritos · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do I get privacy while playing chess on the internet while making sure I don't get the bugbear virus?

    1. Re:I have a dilemma by TotallyUseless · · Score: 4, Funny

      use a camera attached to the shuttle to look down and make sure no one is peeping in the windows of your house!

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  3. What a deal... by LaDanserie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kramnik gets $1,000,000 if he wins, $800,000 if he draws, and $600,000 if he loses. I knew I wasn't spending all that time on Yahoo! Chess for nothing...

    1. Re:What a deal... by unicron · · Score: 5, Funny

      The people behind Deep Fritz are paying him to go down in the 4th.

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    2. Re:What a deal... by targo · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is actually $1m-$700k-$500k.
      But the interesting fact is that for Fritz these numbers are $500k-$300k-$0(zero).
      I guess that even though computers are getting close to humans when playing chess, humans are still way better negotiators ;)

    3. Re:What a deal... by timeOday · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is that a lot? Tyson got $17 million for losing.

  4. Chess by MutantEnemy · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's laughable to say that Deep Fritz is the strongest computer programme - Deep Blue (that defeated Kasparov) evaluated 200 million positions per second compared to Deep Fritz's 3-4 million. Deep Blue was running on an IBM-made supercomputer. Fritz isn't.

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    1. Re:Chess by cbv · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yea, that's why Fritz won the Computer Chess World Championship in 1995 against Deep Blue. SCNR.

    2. Re:Chess by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First off, I believe Deep Fritz has beaten Deep Blue head to head.

      Second, the program and the computer it runs on are two different things even if they are closely tied together. In fact, I'm kinda surprised Deep Fritz doesn't run on a more powerful computer. I would imagine that if it scaled well to 8 processors they would at least be able to scale to 16 or 32.

    3. Re:Chess by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Funny
      It's laughable to say that Deep Fritz is the strongest computer programme - Deep Blue (that defeated Kasparov) evaluated 200 million positions per second compared to Deep Fritz's 3-4 million. Deep Blue was running on an IBM-made supercomputer. Fritz isn't.

      Deep Blue has been broken up and sold off in bits. It was not so much a computer as a temporary assembly of parts. So Deep Fritz would be the strongest living chess computer. After all we don't expect Kasparov to beat dead grandmasters.

      I think that it is time to introduce weight categories like they have in boxing. So neither competitor would be allowed to weigh more than 1000 pounds. Otherwise the game is a bit like watching an industrial robot beat the crap out of Mike Tyson, OK so it might be fun to watch but it is not real sport.

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    4. Re:Chess by Jouster · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Deep Blue (that defeated Kasparov) evaluated 200 million positions per second compared to Deep Fritz's 3-4 million.
      Let's run with your comparison of computing power based solely on number of evaluated positions per move.

      If evaluating a chess position takes 150 units of processor time, and eliminating a position from consideration takes 1 unit of processor time, we shouldn't prune the decision tree at all! Never mind that as we get a little above a dozen moves into the future, we are considering (and tracking in some sort of memory) more moves than there are molecules in the universe. Posh! All that matters is the number of moves evaluated.

      Also:
      1. Kramnik defeated Kasparov.
      2. A supercomputer from ten years ago is compressed into a $2,000 box under my desk as I type this.

      Jouster
    5. Re:Chess by Espectr0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It won because the chess algoritms on Deep Fritz are a lot better than the ones on Deep Blue

      What use will 200 millon moves per second give if mostly they are wrong or repeated?

    6. Re:Chess by _LFTL_ · · Score: 3, Informative
      It's laughable to say that Deep Fritz is the strongest computer programme

      Hrmm... I guess you should be laughing at Kramnik then. From the article:

      "Deep Fritz is simply a stronger program than Deep Blue" - Vladimir Kramnik

    7. Re:Chess by MutantEnemy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hmm, and why would the person who's about to play Deep Fritz want to claim that Deep Fritz is really strong? :)

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    8. Re:Chess by laxian · · Score: 3, Informative
      Sorry, Could Not Resist

      ALWAYS check Everything2 first! :)

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    9. Re:Chess by damiam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So? Kramnik can only evaluate three moves per second, and he's kicking Fritz's ass. Moves per second has very little to do with how good a player is.

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    10. Re:Chess by FyRE666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Otherwise the game is a bit like watching an industrial robot beat the crap out of Mike Tyson, OK so it might be fun to watch but it is not real sport.

      I think you'll find the robot's name was Lennox Lewis...

  5. Great... english is the only language in the world by pVoid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the Nissan case:

    But Uzi Nissan, whose family name is also the name of a month in Hebrew and Arabic[...]

    "We've always seen this case as protecting the Nissan brand and not about money," he said. "What we are saying is the word Nissan by itself is our registered trademark and we're the only ones with the right to use the name Nissan by itself."

  6. Re:Great... english is the only language in the wo by beebware · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It gets better - Nissan Motor has registered the domain name nissancomputer.com which they'll "give" to Nissan Computers if Nissan Motor get given the nissan.com domain name. Now, if they've brought nissancomputer.com with the express purpose of squatting on it for exchange of monies, services or goods (for example, a domain name) - surley that's a blatant case of cybersquatting by Nissan Motor?

  7. Nissan vs. Nissan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If Nissan Motors wanted to have an exclusive name, they should have made one up.

    They took an existing word (in 2 languages, nonetheless) which also happens to be a surname. Now, they can't expect exclusive rights over that name.

    1. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by sulli · · Score: 5, Informative
      In Japanese, it means "Made in Japan." Other Japanese companies (e.g. Nissan Stainless) also use the name.

      Now it's not the same word as that used on other products to mean "Made in Japan" (that word is kokusan, "made in our nation") but it is definitely somewhat generic.

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  8. Deep Fritz by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While this isn't man vs machine as the casual observer may think, but chess playing man vs programming man, how long until programming man is able to win soundly all the time? I don't mean to offend the chess players out there, but I find it very hard to believe that the advances in both processing power and programming knowledge will eventually catch up to chess knowledge. According to Moore's law processing powers is doubling every 18 months, and I would venture that programming knowledge of AI's is progressing faster than chess knowledge given the youth of the former's frield and the extensive history of the latter's.

    That said, even while as a programmer I'm somewhat rooting for Deep Fritz, as a fellow man I can't help but be in awe of the fact that Kramnik is able to think better than a machine that "thinks" millions of times faster than him.

    1. Re:Deep Fritz by egomaniac · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That said, even while as a programmer I'm somewhat rooting for Deep Fritz, as a fellow man I can't help but be in awe of the fact that Kramnik is able to think better than a machine that "thinks" millions of times faster than him.

      Why? I can, for instance, look at a picture of my wife and identify her as my wife in a fraction of a second. The best image-recognition software in the world can't reliably do even that simple task.

      I'm not the least bit surprised to see a human beating a computer in a complex activity like chess, and that's with lots of handicaps in Fritz' favor (it doesn't have to analyze an image of the board in order to determine where the pieces are, for instance). The amazing part is not the human beating the computer, but the computer beating the human (which won't happen in this case, but it's getting close).

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  9. A couple corrections to the article... by Jouster · · Score: 5, Informative
    Just a few quick things to throw in:
    1. Bugbear actually uses one of forty different subject lines. It also sometimes throws in some random data, just for fun.
    2. Bugbear is a descendant of Badtrans, a nasty but not particularly widespread virus from earlier this year. The keystroke logger seems to have been borrowed bit-for-bit (at least in the copy I isolated and analysed).
    Jouster
  10. Bugbear by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is no way to save users from themselves. If a sizable part of the population need to use computers, there will always be a significant number of those who do stupid things from them. These problems will continue no matter how secure Windows becomes. These problems will occur on any software platform that is simple enough for the general population to use.

    Actually, with a certain class of user, Windows' automatic updates make Windows more secure than Linux. Amoung windows users, that class is rather large. We may see less of the Code Red Viruses, but the Shoot Yourself in the Foot Viruses will continue.

    Linux does have one advantage though. It is intensely hard to install programs for Linux. It is so complicated that it is very hard to automate. And as long as users have to install viruses by hand, and download the correct libraries to get them to run, you can be sure that Linux users won't have to worry much about a Linux virus spreading like wildfire across the net.

  11. Nissan.... by BrodieBruce · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Prior to my hearing about this case, if you had asked me

    Can I register a domain name SomeCompany.com and then do the following:

    • Talk about how much I dislike the company
    • Feature ad banners for sites related to that company
    • Talk trash about the management of the company
    • Post numerous comments on the low quality of the company's products (thereby "diluting their image")

    My response would have been, "damn right, freedom of speech..."

    But now, I'm just confused.

    What did he do that violated any laws?

    He's paid $2.2 million in legal fees. It's not like he had a choice about showing up in court to defend himself.

    Now Nissan motors can take his domain name after all the legal bills? And if not, he'll be ordered to give them financial reparations for "diluting their brand name?"

    1. Re:Nissan.... by chriso11 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe the U.S. Constitution should be changed to something like:
      "We, the Corporations of the United States (and other countries), in order to have a more perfect customer base, establish commerce, insure domestic profits, provide for our CEOs, promote the use of tax shelters, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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  12. Crap... by Myuu · · Score: 3, Funny

    "During the feed, it looked like the ejection of the solid rocket boosters damaged or obscured the camera, leading to a fuzzy image during the fuel tank separation stage."

    Bring on anti-NASA the conspiracy theories...

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  13. camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does it annoy anyone else that NASA spent $750,000 on the technical equivalent an X-10 webcam?

    And it failed! I mean, what the hell?

    Private space enterprises deserve to eat NASA's breakfast, dinner AND lunch once they get started.

  14. From the CNN Nissan Article by ksw2 · · Score: 3, Informative
    "We've always seen this case as protecting the Nissan brand and not about money," he said. "What we are saying is the word Nissan by itself is our registered trademark and we're the only ones with the right to use the name Nissan by itself."

    Interesting. I wonder if they'll be requiring Uzi Nissan to change his last name as well... after all, Nissan owns it...

    Also, it bear mentioning that Uzi has spent well in excess of one million dollars defending his own last name from these assholes who didn't even use the name "Nissan" in the States until well after Uzi had registerred the domain and used it for his own business.

    The corporate swines have also been using dirty tricks like filing suit across the county from where Uzi lives, in an attempt to sap his finances so he can't defend himself. (These are things Uzi himself talked about at H2K2, if you're curious about my sources)

  15. Re:Bugbear by Psx29 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The problem that bugbear exploits was patched back in march. Only retards are susceptible

    That is a ridiculous statement! If you read through all the things listed maybe you would realise some people _can't_ install microsoft's patches because of there EULA requirements.

  16. The most worrying thing... by SmileyBen · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the scariest part has to be that they let a Windows operating system anywhere near brain surgery....

    1. Re:The most worrying thing... by unicron · · Score: 5, Funny

      Would you prefer Linux? Immensely stable but they keep having to re-administer the anasthesia because you keep waking up while your neurosurgeon reads the FAQ?

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  17. SRB Debris by kzinti · · Score: 5, Interesting

    During the feed, it looked like the ejection of the solid rocket boosters damaged or obscured the camera...

    That can be a problem for the crew too, or used to be. Each SRB has rocket motors that separate it from the external tank at around two minutes MET. Debris from these motors can get on the forward orbiter windows. Not too many years ago the shuttle flight software was changed - a "window washer" mod - to fire the FU RCS jets for a few seconds at SRB seperation to keep the windscreen clear of debris.

    Just thought you'd be interested to know...

    --JIm

  18. HIPAA vs. MS by Kefaa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I believe Clark has the right idea
    "...the health care industry needs to go to Microsoft with a joint NDA (nondisclosure agreement) and indemnification agreement, requiring Microsoft to hold their HIPAA-compliant customers harmless should patient information be leaked via this mechanism."

    Not a prayer that MS would agree, but it will be interesting when they get pulled into court the first time a provider claims it was the update and MS forced them to allow it.

    The regulatory oversight may do more to open MS software than the DOJ. Logic, reason, and innovation are not the watch words of these organizations. Regulations were passed, comply or be destroyed.

    It is hard for me to decide who I want to win. MS or the regulators...

  19. Re:Great... english is the only language in the wo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Agreed on this. You're not allowed to trademark common words, like orange, hand or March. If your company name happens to be the name of a month in another language, you shouldn't be allowed to go into a fit everytime someone uses it.

    Further,

    The auto company didn't sue until 1999, but the judge said that five-year wait wasn't too long because Nissan didn't initially know the impact the Internet would have on business.

    Then looks like Nissan should have had a little more foresight. IANAL but if you don't defended your trademark when you become aware of someone else using it, then it's become diluted.

  20. licensing agreements by Parsec · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We've been told at my University that we (as system administrators) can go ahead and click the "I accept" on any Microsoft service pack or hotfix, our licensing agreement with M$ overrides anything they put in a EULA.

    Microsoft could actually wind up violating their own agreement if they take action not specified in the big license.

  21. Re:Bugbear by ajakk · · Score: 3, Funny

    And then for 99% of a REAL operating systems programs...

    Double click.
    Yes.
    Next.
    Next.
    Next.

    wait...

    Next.
    Finnish.


    So after clicking "Next" we turn into Linus? GREAT!

  22. Re:Give me a break... by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, he might actually have a spine (or independant wealth), and wanted the domain more than the money.

    This strikes me as no different than the McDonalds (the junk-food chain) vs McDonalds (the family owned restaurant that predates the fast food chain) a while back. The bigger business considers itself more important, and has the money to throw at lawyers to make that delusion a reality.

    If *you* had a family domain, and some company offered you what you consider a pittance for it, how would you feel? Would you consider yourself an informed "hardball" player? Would you "cackle with glee" at your great luck in having a valuable name?

    It really disgusts me that companies consider themselves more important than individuals. It disgusts me even more that the legal system mostly agrees with them. Neither of those comes *close*, however, to the disgust I feel about actual individual *humans* who agree that companies have more rights than everyone else, and actually criticize other humans for standing up for what few rights we have left.

  23. Boycott Nissan (Motors) and tell them why! by WEFUNK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While plenty of web sites, blogs, and usenet discussions informatively describe and criticize the heavy handed tactics of companies like Nissan, Molson Canadian, and Gateway (2000), these companies need to start hearing vocally from consumers who will not buy their brands based on their overbearing legal tactics and we should compile and distribute a list of companies to target. More important than a boycott itself, the average joe and especially these company's dealers, sales, and marketing people need to know WHY we're upset.

    Whenever these cases come up we read the lawyers and spokespeople telling us they have to do this to "protect the brand", or to "prevent consumers from being confused". Real squatters aside, this is generally total crap. Consumers in any demographic able to buy a car will quickly realize Nissan Computer != Nissan Motors and while brands need to be protected to a certain extent in order to avoid becoming generic (like kleenex, or xerox) the chance of "nissan" becoming a generic term is slim to none (and not just because it doesn't have an 'x'). Trademarks apply to specific categories only, and this limitation should help to prevent dilution happening from unrelated uses of the same mark. Companies that try to over extend their marks should do so only at their own risk, and I bet that willy nilly suing other users probably does more to imply dilution than just leaving things be (Ob.IANAL but this should be true even if it's not the actual law).

    Actually, I doubt any of these cases stem from the marketing department, more likely the lawyers are trying to justify their salaries and budgets. But if the sales and marketing people thought these tactics were hurting their brand they could override legal in a second. Enough slashdotters are young professionals with a well paying job and interest in new products to present a very attractive demographic to these people. Let them know you're pissed!

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  24. nissan.com by garcia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What I don't understand about the whole lawsuit is how Nissan (motors) can prove that they own the rights to that name. Uzi was apparently around before Nissan became any sort of MAJOR advertising spender ($400 million last year).

    The judge decided that the Internet wasn't that big of a deal in 1994, so the 5 year span between the registration of nissan.com and 1999 when they sued was ok. WHAT? Explain to me how this is ok? Uzi had it first, tough shit if they didn't decide that the Internet wasn't all that important.

    Early bird gets the worm. Money should have no bearing on who gets what domain.

    If I were Uzi, I would tell them to use nissancomputer.com for themselves.

    Just my worthless .02

  25. Deep Fritz vs Deep Blue by Optical+Voodoo+Man · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I read this article over at USNews.com about Deep Fritz. It said that Deep Fritz did beat the same Deep Blue that beat Kasparov, but a stripped down, castrated version of it. The article claimed:

    Press releases touting this week's match boast that Fritz has beaten both Kasparov and Deep Blue. The win over Kasparov came, however, in a super fast kind of chess, where computers have a decided edge. And Fritz didn't really beat Deep Blue-it beat an early version of its software running on slower hardware.

    Do I think that there is an added value to better algorithms and pruning methods over pure computational firepower? Sure, but you need to keep in mind that now that Deep Blue has been disassembled, there is no way to get an honest, head to head comparison.

    As if it matters, I still get my but kicked by good old GNU Chess.

  26. more Weird info by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The entry in Symantec is "W32.Bugbear@mm" ... My brother saw me looking at the symantec alert and told me that "mm" stands for Monster Manual (some kind of D&D book), and that Bugbear is a specific monster in that manual ...

    So who is naming these viruses? :)

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  27. Re:Give me a break... by sconeu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact that this has gone to court tells me that Mr. Nissan played hardball when they were negotiating a payoff;

    Or maybe Mr. Nissan said, "No. I'm not selling it at all. It's MY name!"

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  28. Re:Great... english is the only language in the wo by Cato+the+Elder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since neither Hebrew nor Arabic is written with Latin characters, I find the "it's the name of a month" argument rather weak. Furthermore, the owner of www.nissan.com is incorporated in the United States, where "Nissan" cannot be considered a common word

    As far as the "waiting until 1999" argument goes, it sounds like Nissan is claiming he didn't infringe until 1999 when he started linking to car sites, meaning he was generating revenue based on visitors who were looking for www.nissanmotors.com.
    I think this argument holds water.

    However, the remedy the company is asking for is way out of proportion. Nissan Motors should be granted an injunction against www.nissan.com being used to adverstise cars.

  29. Entire Shuttle video here by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Quicktime from space.com (6.7 MB)

    Just the tank camera, no cutaways, all the way from launch to SRB seperation.

    Play it fast (hold the frame advance button down) for another cool view of the whole launch in about 15 seconds.

  30. Re:Great... english is the only language in the wo by sasami · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since neither Hebrew nor Arabic is written with Latin characters, I find the "it's the name of a month" argument rather weak.

    Erm... if you want to take that tack... "Nissan" in Japanese isn't written with Latin characters either.

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  31. Nasa Footage by Drath · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is probably posted already buy you can view this video on Space.com Here.

    It's pretty sweet.

  32. Re:What would a judge say? by PurpleBob · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've only taken Japanese for five weeks, but that's enough to know that your analysis of "Datsun" is BS. You may not have made it up, but someone obviously did.

    "Datsun" is three characters in hiragana: da tsu n. "Dat" is not a well-formed Japanese word. "sun" is not pronounced like English "sun", and does not mean "son". Amazingly enough, you seem to be correct that "son" means something like "to lose money" (WWWJDIC has it as "loss; disadvantage"), but if the name were "Datson" it would break up as "da tso n", and there's no such syllable as "tso".

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  33. Re:There's a long history of NASA doing this by wossName · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, right.

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  34. Re:The problem with domain names by AB3A · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A friend of mine pointed out that Domino.com could be easily claimed by any one of several companies: A pizza company, a sugar company, or a software company.

    This is a very sordid and very nasty issue. If you want a view from the front lines look here.

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