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FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE
Triumph The Insult C writes "FreeBSD 4.7 is out. Here is the announcement. New items include an option for IPFW2, a number of disk controller updates, security updates, and some changes to userland. Remember, please use a mirror." Among other things, the release announcement says: "FreeBSD 4.7 also incorporates all of the security and bug fixes from
4.6.2 (released in August 2002), including several ATA-related
bugfixes, updates for OpenSSL and OpenSSH, and fixes to address
several security advisories." And here are the release notes.
I've been waiting for an upgrade.
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Just a question, I'm not knocking FreeBSD.
But I'm seeing Linux coming up so fast... Is there a likelyhood of putting the best of FreeBSD into Linux and getting a single best-of-breed Free Unix distribution?
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nice(1) now uses the -n option to specify the ``niceness'' of the utility being run.
Doesn't that just sound like a happy command?
Who is John Galt?
Instead of pointing to the front page, it may be more useful to point at the mirror list.
I can't say that I don't give a fuck. I've just run out of fuck to give.
I think its a good thing i didnt buy 4.6 from the London (UK) Linux Expo then isnt it :)
;) )
No, dont ask me why they were selling BSD (quite heavily actually) along side Linux on most stalls.
Oh, and a note to KDE and Gnome teams, having blank stalls with two spotty kids sitting at laptops, with no promotional items or banners or posters really isnt a good way to promote your product guys. (And believe it or not, they were sat next to each other, AND NOT FIGHTING
I suggest trying it out. If by support you are referring to hardware, it is true that FreeBSD is not as heavily advanced as Linux. FreeBSD is built more as a server operating system than a desktop operating system, and as such, the developers are more worried about producing a stable operating system and hardening the actual core than providing driver support for the latest and greatest soundcard. Don't get me wrong, they do have an excellent list of supported hardware. In my experience, FreeBSD has been able to utilize my system a heck of a lot better than Linux ever has. Large X processes seem to always have no problem running simultaneously with 3-4 builds taking place in the background. Even binaries built for Linux run at incredible speed; as stated on the FreeBSD website, Linux binaries can even run faster on a FreeBSD machine using Linux emulation than Linux itself can run it. I'm not going to get into a holy war over which operating system is better, because they both definitely have their ups and downs. I do suggest, however, to give FreeBSD a try if you are interested in seeing what it can do.
I love FreeBSD b/c of it's security and it's great ports system. I wish there was a linux distro on par with those two aspects of FreeBSD. But the one problem with FreeBSD for me?
No native JDK 1.4.
It's on linux, windows and solaris. The announcment of the license thingy with Sun came out 12/01 and I haven't heard anything yet.
How come FreeBSD has no cardbus support?
That's the only thing keeping me from running it on my laptop.
I get lots of free BSD's already with Windows
I want to try BSD... but have some questions before doing so. My computer has both win xp and linux. I am going to buy another hard disk to put freebsd. Can I boot bsd with grub? also... Can anyone please tell me why some people prefer bsd from linux? doesn't linux have more support? does unreal tournament run under bsd(I don't thinks so)? I'm a bsd newbie but been using linux for about 2 years. What differences would I find? thanks
I love FreeBSD. I would run it in place of Linux... but my Audigy doesn't work. And I don't have accelerated nvidia drivers (though I did read something about those coming to FreeBSD?). But the nvidia issue isn't important... I need sound, and that's all there is to it... and I refuse to use those payware drivers that apparently don't support the digital out on the card.
Happy New Year, it's 1984!
just a curiosity...what is the reason that all the *BSDs are sticking to gcc2.95.x? I know that Linux has been using gcc3.2 for quite a bit of time now, and it can be considered somewhat stable.
Uh, yes there is... I built it from ports just the other day.
Dinivin
The various BSDs are not differet distributions of a single operating system. They originate from a single source code base, but are separate operating system.
Their kernels differ (often substantially), their filesystem layouts and utilities (to some degree) differ, their packaging systems differ, etc. There is cross pollination, and it's easier to adapt kernel features among the BSDs than between BSD and other *nix type operating systems, but they are not the same Beastie.
And while we're on the topic, OsX is not really a BSD operating system; it's a Mach microkernel with a BSD layer on top that provides some utiltiy functionality. It's not substantially BSDish.
FreeBSD code cannot be "stolen"
Completely untrue... Taking the code and not adhering to the license is stealing. This is what happened when FreeBSD code made it into the linux ATA driver and the copyright was dropped from the source code.
Dinivin
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Under the Options selection, change the
Release Name: to the appropriate version you want to install.
Then, perform an 'Upgrade' from the main manu.
This will do a binary replacement upgrade.
If you did a custom kernel, it will NOT install the new sources, so before you do this, copy your kernel config file somewhere else and nuke the src directory, or learn about cvsup.
Update your source:- 1/books/h andbook/cvsup.html
- 1/books/h andbook/makeworld.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859
Compile your source and kernel:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859
Run cvsup using stable-supfile and ports-supfile, edited as you like, from /usr/share/examples/cvsup. Then "make world." (Much more detail on both of these is available in the FreeBSD Handbook on the FreeBSD web site.) Depending on the capabilities of your box, you'll have a brand-new up-to-date 4.7 system in 30 minutes to 3 or so hours.
Ridiculous claim since Linux binaries are supported at the kernel level.
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
FreeBSD had 32bit UIDs quite a while before Linux did.
Please refrain from discussing that which you obviously know nothing about.
The Unix philosophy is to have many small tools. So, while you could already do yes n | cp, why now add an '-n' option to do the same?
PS: the moderator could at least give some classification...
Ah, I hope it will support my promise Supertrak SX6000 RAID controller.
hmm:
The pst driver, for supporting Promise SuperTrak ATA RAID controllers, has been added.
Sweet. There is hope, thank you Søren Schmidt.
And ftp.freebsd.org is hosted by a local ISP, as well as the local mirror. Ah, I will have the disc in 40 minutes. yes.. Now if only I haven't drunk that bottle of wine for dinner, oh well. just makes installing that more fun.
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I started playing with it a week ago and now I'm thinking about abandonning RH for FreeBSD: so far, I've had nothing but good experiences with it:
- all the stuff I like (bash, Python, Java, PostGres, webmin) is there
- KDE is fast, very fast!
- boot time is amazingly fast
- the Ports system is *amazing*
what's not to like about it?
there's no place like ~
"Your husband is somewhat dead."
"Sir -- I got your daughter somewhat pregnant."
I think you should reconsider your definition of "stable" somewhat.
Then wait till 5.0 comes out and use it. As far as I know FreeBSD current is the only Unix running gcc-3.2.1 [prerelease] and they just imported a new gcc snapshot a few days ago [or yesterday.... I forget].
:). I am pretty impressed at 5.0's progress as of late. I can't wait till they get it more stable :)
The only Unix I run on my PC right now is FreeBSD CURRENT which is only for the uber-geek or the person who doesn't care when stuff dies
Although it may seem to you that some versions of software used in FreeBSD are a few versions behind linux there is a very good reason for this. The FreeBSD ethic values stability before anything. If something works, and the 'newest' version is not stable enough for the Release Team, than the older version will be used. This is the first FreeBSD release to include XFree86 4.2.x as a default package - which you have all been using for a while. As of 4.6, it wasn't considered stable enough, so 3.3.x was used.
FreeBSD's concept of 'stable' it about 10 times more stable than that of most code in various linuxes. That is a conscious, conservative choice made by the core team. And I like that choice.
Insanity is contagious. - Yossarian
Only fair now! :-)
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I have seen this "FreeBSD is more stable than Linux" before, and I always wonder how do you prove that. I have worked with Linux servers since 1998 and I have never seen one crash. I'm talking about one year or more average uptimes, the kind of system which you only boot to change major kernel versions, like updating from Linux 1.2.13 to 2.0.36. For me, that's *perfect* stability, how can FreeBSD be better than perfect?
The FreeBSD handbook is an excellent guide to all aspects of installing, configuring, and using a FreeBSD system. The allocating disk space section contains well written instructions (with pictures) that explain how disk partitions work on FreeBSD, and how to create them.
On my system, I use the GNU GRUB boot loader (used as the default boot loader in many Linux distributions), and it seems quite able to boot partitions over the infamous 1024 (cylinder?) limit. The GRUB manual suggests this configuration for booting FreeBSD. If you use GRUB, select the "Leave the Master Boot Record" option when you install FreeBSD.
Note that on an Intel 386-compatible system, you'll need a spare primary partition to install FreeBSD. Perhaps you don't have one, as there are only four, and each DOS or Windows install will want one, and one will be used to create the extended partition your Linux distribution is likely to install itself in. It might be easier to buy another hard disk drive.
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ln -sf
Why would I need a text editor?
The five most popular and successful Open Source applications today are either not under the GPL, or under a dual'ed or exception'ed GPL:
XFree86 - MIT License
Apache - Apache License
Perl - Artistic/GPL
Linux - GPL with exception
Mozilla - MPL/NPL
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Slackware is amazingly simple to configure, except for you SysV weenies :-)
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Does it matter whether the license is dual or not? If it's GPL, then the GPL rules apply
The GPL part of the dual licensing is typically there just to ensure GPL compatibility. Otherwise the license ends up being least common denominator. This makes a huge difference from the standard GPL. Artistic License + GPL removes all copyleft. MPL + GPL removes the need for GPL linkage chains. Etc.
Even in the trivial case of Linux with a GPL exception, you now have the ability to make standard kernel calls from non-GPL applications. This is not something intended by the GPL.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
The BSD license is not corporatist any more than
the GPL is Marxist. Just because someone else is
slinging bullshit doesn't mean that you should do
the same.
The quote from the Wine project indicates that the
Wine developers wanted to ensure that Wine could
not be used as the basis for a proprietary product.
Given that, the [L]GPL is an appropriate license
for them to choose. Other developers don't feel
the same way, and for them, the BSD license is a
valid choice.
The right license for a given project depends on
that project's goals. There is no One Right
License for everything. Why is this so hard for
people to understand?
Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
most of the FTPs seem to be pretty much overloaded, but a really good way to find mirrors is to use a good ftp search like alltheweb.com search for 4.6.2-disc1 or better still 4.7-disc1 (which still wasn't returing results when i posted) and hunting for fast low ping servers running unlisted mirrors, preferably finding a mirror that is geographically close to you. Just make sure you get the md5sum list from the official site. I'm currently pulling 95k of my 100k Downstream cap from an undisclosed university (.edu) mirror. much better than fighting the rush of people trying to mirror the new files from the official sites.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
is the documentation. Yes there's some excellent linux docs on the ldp site but for FreeBSD you can just consult the Handbook for everthing.
No native JDK 1.4.
Ridiculous claim since Linux binaries are supported at the kernel level.
DISCLAIMER: My experience is with OpenBSD, not FreeBSD. (However, FreeBSD users have confirmed my findings in considerable detail.)
DISCLAIMER: I hate Java's bloated reeking guts. Java's only purpose in life is to run Freenet until someone rewrites the Freenet reference node into a portable language like C.
My experience with Java and Freenet on OpenBSD is that the Linux native JDK does not work. Freenet will appear to start up and run, but once you actually start using it, it fails miserably. Specifically, the Freenet node listens for connections on two or more TCP/IP sockets. Connections made to any port that Freenet is listening to will be silently dropped if no data are waiting on the socket (e.g., if you telnet localhost 8888 it will drop the connection after accepting it). However, if data are actually waiting in the buffer, the connection may work, at least sometimes (e.g., if you echo -e "GET / HTTP/1.0\n" | nc localhost 8888 it will work most of the time).
As you can imagine, this makes running the software a fool's mission. Things just break and there's no rhyme or reason to it, because there's at least one case where the behavior is nondeterministically broken. And that's just the case that I happened to discover -- who knows what else is lurking in those murky proprietary-Sun-code depths?
Fortunately, Kaffe 1.0.7 seems to work at least acceptably for running Freenet on OpenBSD. (Don't use Kaffe from the ports tree, which is 1.0.6. Kaffe 1.0.6 has serious bugs, at least one of which is in big number handling, which is essential to many of Freenet's encryption algorithms.) Kaffe 1.0.7 has some bugs of its own -- for example, it tended to crash and core dump on me, at least until I commented out one assertion that the Kaffe mailing list said was probably spurious. (And you don't want to see how big a Kaffe/Freenet core file is.)
BTW, give GPL some freaking credit, it spawned the opensource movement and created many programmers and hobbiests that release some of the best software, FOR FREE.
:)
Good lord, the kiddies think they invented sharing code, next they'll think they invented sex.
The GPL and OpenSource are over-credited. People shared source, wrote missing pieces for others, helped others debug, shared executables (legally), etc. without the GPL or the OpenSource movement. OpenSource did not spawn a movement, it named and branded something that already existed. The only thing that has really changed over the decades is that average people can communicate and share more easily than before. When 300 baud modems ruled the land a lot of sharing was done face to face with a bunch of diskettes. This slowed things down a little. The modern internet made sharing trivially easy and OpenSource and the GPL were swept up and taken along for the ride. They are effects, not causes.
I guess you could give the GPL credit for something else, it politicized sharing. If it never existed we have different acronyms and different politics, but we would probably have similar software.
I see a future when all the hackers can run apt-get from their Debian GNU/Camaro dashboards.
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It's good to have the old config file Just In Case.
my old sig used to be funny, but then slashcode ate it and now it's not funny anymore
Not to be confused with LaO: SUV- the vehicle most likely to be soon chasing the Method Man Jeep.
Yeah, I saw that show. I cried when the kid killed himself/brain dead.
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.