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Reuters: 80% of Chinese Computers Virus Infected

Alien54 writes "A rueters news report says that 80% of computers in China have been touched by a computer virus. They quote a a six-week survey conducted by the [Chinese] National Computer Virus Emergency Response Center cited in the official China Daily newspaper."

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  1. goldmine for software publishers by Diver777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can someone say goldmine for anti-virus makers, at least ones that can produce a chinese version of their product... but oh yeah, with the insanely high % of piracy as well, it doesn't look like anyone would buy the product legit!

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    1. Re:goldmine for software publishers by drightler · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've never had a problem receiving virus updates on my pirated scanners... on my pirated OS...

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    2. Re:goldmine for software publishers by scott1853 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Does McAffee still allow free access to all their software by logging with with abc:123?

    3. Re:goldmine for software publishers by JonTurner · · Score: 5, Funny

      You will soon, Mr. "I like to brag in public that I steal software." In fact, you might want to avoid answering the door for a few days, especially if 6' tall men wearing suits and sunglasses, driving a Crown Victoria with Federal license plates, show up unannounced.

      Did I mention that now would be an excellent time to wipe that hard drive and install Linux?

      Think next time, McFly!

    4. Re:goldmine for software publishers by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't encourage him to use Linux. I bet he'll pirate it too.

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    5. Re:goldmine for software publishers by imadork · · Score: 5, Funny
      Does McAffee still allow free access to all their software by logging with with abc:123?

      Nope, not anymore. Some dumbass on Slashdot posted the backdoor, and McAfee fixed it.

  2. Thank Goodness! by norweigiantroll · · Score: 5, Funny

    That "Great Firewall Of China" does a lot of good!

    1. Re:Thank Goodness! by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yup, it's keeping all the viruses on their side.

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    2. Re:Thank Goodness! by Marco_polo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder if it was named mongolians.vbs

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  3. In Other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    80% of China's computer run windows

    1. Re:In Other news by dildatron · · Score: 5, Informative

      I suspect this happens quite a bit. From what I have heard from a guy I know down there, pirates software is as plentiful as stink on shit, and really really cheap. He also said it was definately buyer beware, cause you never know what you're gonna get. Even Microsoft has released infected CD's, imagine the piraters - they are just after the almighty dollar (or yen in this case) - they don't have near all the checks companies go through before they release a product, and they are often not "Exact" duplicates because much of the software has been cracked (and therefore edited).

      reminds me of AIDS in Africa. No end in sight.

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  4. Incorrect by drhairston · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I must point out a factual inaccuracy in the article summary. It is not stated that 80% of Chinese computers have at one point experienced a virus infection. In fact, it is stated that over 80% of a sample group of Chinese computer users believed they had been infected with a virus. This perception is a much muddier number, considering I know many of my colleagues believe that advertising pop-up ads for casinos are actually computer viruses.

    Here is the source for my observation:

    "Only 16 percent of computer users we sampled this year reported they were free from any virus attack, while last year nearly one in three users said they suffered no computer infections," the newspaper quoted the center's chief engineer, Zhang Jian, as saying.

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    1. Re:Incorrect by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I must point out that most people have NO idea when they are infected with a virus, especially email borne ones.

      These people think that mail sent by the viruses that are being returned to them are actually others accessing their computer and emailing from it. They have no idea that they have contracted a virus at all.

      "I have a virus scanner!"

    2. Re:Incorrect by back_pages · · Score: 5, Funny
      My girlfriend's sister (citizen of Hong Kong) had a computer that was acting up. She decided it had liver cancer. I told her that computers don't have livers, she didn't care. I told her that computers don't get cancer, she didn't care. I told her that a computer virus had nothing in common with a medical virus, she didn't care. Her computer had liver cancer.

      The best part was that she took it to a repair shop where I assume the employees either played along or took her for a ride. They returned her computer a few days later and told her they gave it a liver transplant. She was very proud of that fact that she knew more about computers than I did.

    3. Re:Incorrect by phsolide · · Score: 5, Insightful
      over 80% of a sample group of Chinese computer users believed they had been infected with a virus

      I'll believe in this belief. Years ago, maybe 1989 or 1990, I had a conversation with an engineer at then-major aerospace company Martin Marietta. He was no dummy, but he carried the misbelief that a computer virus was something that occurred naturally, like an influenza virus, or herpes.

      In conjunction with the "if anything's wrong with my computer, it's a virus" phenomena you see every day amongst business types, an 80% belief rate isn't unlikely, even in the USA.

      I blame the Anti-Virus industry at least partially for this. Members of the AV community are so tight-lipped about viruses that they end up being almost mystical. AV people seem to believe that any real information about a virus or worm will foster further virus and/or worm writing. So they don't give out any real information (like "Using Outlook will inevitably cause you to get infected. Switch to something else"). They even seem to have helped the trend of calling any malware a "virus" because of this.

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    4. Re:Incorrect by giminy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I blame the Anti-Virus industry at least partially for this. Members of the AV community are so tight-lipped about viruses that they end up being almost mystical. AV people seem to believe that any real information about a virus or worm will foster further virus and/or worm writing. So they don't give out any real information (like "Using Outlook will inevitably cause you to get infected. Switch to something else"). They even seem to have helped the trend of calling any malware a "virus" because of this.

      Maybe they just want to keep themselves in business. If everybody fled from Outlook, there would not be as strong a need for virus checking software, now would there? :).

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    5. Re:Incorrect by dildatron · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think that happens a lot in China! I go this one email, and it said that people steal your livers and you wake up in a bath full of ice without a liver! maybe they are needing them for their computers? i can forward it to you if you need it!

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  5. 10,000 lbs per acer by red5 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know it's a tired argument but most of the news in china is made up.

    I just wonder what would China have to gain by saying all their computers are 0w3d? Is it the "National Computer Virus Emergency Response Center" trying to get more funding?

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  6. Misleading headline by User+956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    80% of computers in China have been touched by a computer virus

    Typical Slashdot journalism. "touched by a virus" is far different than "infected by a virus". My computer gets touched by viruses all the time, but it never actually gets infected, because I keep my apache (the only service running) up-to-date.

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    1. Re:Misleading headline by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That seems to be they way the media usually uses this term. For instance: "This tradgedy has touched the lives of many."

      Yes, or "Timmy was touched repeatedly by the Catholic priest"

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  7. Solution: Open Source Anti-virus Software by ddkilzer · · Score: 5, Informative
  8. Quote from the article... by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Computer viruses are small programs often sent via e-mail or hidden in other software. Once inside a computer, they can do malicious tasks like erase data or reproduce and send copies to other machines over the Internet.

    I find it disturbing that in the year 2002, Reuters still has to explain to people what a "computer virus" is.

    Jesus Christ. What's next, a description of the keyboard as "that typewriter thing on the desk" and the monitor as "the TV thing with all the pictures" ?

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    1. Re:Quote from the article... by ohboy-sleep · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's next, a description of the keyboard as "that typewriter thing on the desk" and the monitor as "the TV thing with all the pictures"

      I do online tech-support for an internet company and unfortunately I have to do that far too often.

      Me: Hit the Escape or E-S-C key. It's at the top left corner of your keyboard.
      Cust.: I don't see it.
      Me: Are you looking at the top left corner of your keyboard?
      Cust.: Yes.
      Me: Are you looking at the top left corner of your keyboard or your screen?
      Cust.: What's the difference?
      Me: The keyboard is the typewriter thing
      Cust.: [silence]
      Me: It's where you place your fingers with all the number and letter keys.
      Cust: Oh, okay!

      Sorry, I had to vent...

  9. The FLu season by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Its widely agreed that most flu come from asia, china specifically. Indeed this is what deterimes which flu you get vaccinated for each winter: they look at china and see what they've caught in the precedding month. Some beleive the new flus arise out of livestock practices of mixing ducks, pigs and humans in close proximity creating a host (duck) where the flu mutates quickly without harming the host, a stepping stone where it adapts (pigs) which are similar to humans, and then a final host (human) that can easily deliver it to humans.

    so now we have a computer virus incubator too.

    which leads to an interesting thought. maybe some days viruses will be created by computers and breed like flu does. They will gather strenght in a compliant population (china) before emerging to the real world.

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  10. Oh boy. by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 5, Funny
    I don't know about you guys, but their Outlook problems do not have me worried.

    These people have robot dogs, and robot fish, and giant robots with guns for heads.

    Yeah, that's right Norton, get on the m*therfucker.

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  11. Easily believeable by MxTxL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to live in Beijing... as an american there you would be astonished at the rate of piracy. We're used to maybe picking up a copy of photoshop from a buddy, or you know someone who will burn you a copy of windows.... there they sell about any commercial software product (not too long after release) on pressed CDs (with case and jacket) for about a buck in just about any open marketplace. Needless to say, there are not too many people with 'real' versions of the software running around.

    The problem with these CDs is that they have been cracked (so people can use them) by who-knows-who and frequently have other 'things' floating around on the CDs and i'm sure there huge numbers of virii that are being distributed in this way. It's really easy to picture an 80% infection rate. It's kinda like a high school computer lab where all the kids trade floppy disks and there is no anti-virus protection.... everyone has it before long.

  12. Chinese math.. by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only 16 percent of computer users we sampled this year reported they were free from any virus attack

    100-16 = 80%

    Must have a loose nut on the old abacus.

  13. Viruses?! China uses Linux, right? by gpinzone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    80%?! I thought the majority of China is using Linux? What happened to all that press about Linux taking over Asia? I guess pirated Windows is still considered "free software."

  14. Agreed - Anyone read Chinese? by Ted_Green · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the methods used were the same as those from the last survey: http://www.antivirus-china.org.cn/

    Then the results are highly questionable. As it was an online survey. Without knowing the methods for all we know it could have been a website poll... and considering it's the National Computer Virus Emergency Response Center doing the survey then individuals completing the survey are probably more likely to be affiliated with such a site because they've *had* a virus.

    Does any one actually read Chinese so they could give us the full story? The site's homepage is here:
    http://www.antivirus-china.org.cn/

  15. Re:government propaganda by SirSlud · · Score: 5, Interesting

    [sarcasm]

    meanwhile, at cnn, abcnews, bbc, cbc, journalists are hard at work empowering you, a free man, with bias-free and editorization-free content.

    the fact that they make money doing this is just a nice bonus to the fuzzy feelings they get in their tummy from helping you feel^H^H^H^Hbe a free citizen of planet earth.

    [/sarcasm]

    to be honest, sometimes i respect an out-of-the-closet dictatorial regime over the 'dont say it out loud' vested econo/poli agendas of major media conglomerates who still have the gall to act as if they dont have any vested interest in various stories/news

    in other words, better to bias your content for a political/social goal than a purely financial one, although I appreciate that neither system ultimately serves humans on the basis of "what news is important".

    please note I'm not condoning China's political system, only somewhat envious of the transparency in so far as agendas go ..

    as a final huzzah, i believe that this article is about how many people *think* they were infected, not how many actuall were, so it wouldn't really be justification for some sort of tin-foil-hat conceived agenda.

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  16. works both ways? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    They returned her computer a few days later and told her they gave it a liver transplant.

    But it starts to get scary if you get sick in China, and the doctors ask which brand of harddrive you want installed in place of your appendix.

    1. Re:works both ways? by b1t+r0t · · Score: 5, Funny

      Look for increasing numbers of death sentences for PCs, with their parts immediately going for transplants into newer PCs that can afford the price.

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    2. Re:works both ways? by Urox · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But it starts to get scary if you get sick in China, and the doctors ask which brand of harddrive you want installed in place of your appendix.

      What was scary is that I stayed in a 5 star hotel, went to their "on-site" doctor, and he swabbed iodine over a bite that had been infected on my leg (andwas swollen 6 inches across) and thought that would take care of it. Fortunately, the tour guide took me to a "hospital" where the doctor there gave me antibacterial drugs to fight the infection.

      Interestingly enough to keep this on topic: you know that the chinese word for computer translates to "electric brain," right? (dian nao) I wonder what the internals are called..

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  17. Touched by a Virus by Shamanin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like a new primetime soap opera...

    Tonight on Touched by a Virus, Gordon believes that he has been infected by "Millisa". Little does Gordon know that Millisa is spawning his CHILD!

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  18. Survey methodology? by Rev.LoveJoy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There is no detail about how this 'survey' was carried out.

    Try this, ask 10 computer users (users, not geeks) these two questions:

    1). Have you ever had a strange computer problem?

    2). Think it could have been a virus?

    I would lay money that you can find an 80% 'touched by a virus' rating on any group of people you like.

    Anyone familar with the social sciences and / or statistics realizes that corrolation does not equal causation. However, if you're a gov't agencey (as one reader posted previously) in need of funding, corollation = causation is a very useful tool. Even more so when you engineer the corollation part.

    This article is a waste of time.

    Cheers,
    -- RLJ

  19. And every single one of them... by zorgon · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... is sending me spam.

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  20. Re:This proves what we knew all along... by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    My computer has only been infected twice, both of them rare and harmless viruses.

    The worse virus I ever got was one that trolled slashdot in my name posting stupid jokes and random ascii, ruining my karma.

    Glad I fixed it, though, because it was embarrassing ###% Hitler FuckHead Donky Dong!