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New RedHat Kernel Patch Illegal to Explain to U.S. Users
Russellkhan writes "The Register is running a story about a new RedHat kernel patch that cannot be explained to U.S. citizens or others in the U.S. because of DMCA restrictions. The illegal explanation is hosted at Thefreeworld.net, a site created specifically to deal with these DMCA issues."
But sound doesnt travel in the land. Nor does... electricity, radio waves, or, come to think of it anything. Jeez, what a rip.
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I would comment on the stuff posted on theFreeWorld.net, but after reading their disclaimer, I was afraid to continue in the site.
Repeat after me:
I will NOT vote for anyone that voted for DMCA.
So that it will be illegal to explain to someone why it's illegal to explain to someone why it's illegal to...
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
that somebody is gonna post the whole text of it here on slashdot and that I'm gonna see a blank DMCA WAS HERE page when I load up my homepage.
Soon the US will be like China. Anyone want to make 50 cents a day to program Microsoft software? :)
Atto
I didn't use the preview button, so get over it!!!!
Mike
Next we are going to find out that all US Citizens have been placed on Double Secret Probation!
- The joystick driver had erroneous copies in obscure ioctl cases
Thanks, I now understand why we in the US should never have access to this sort of information.
I was expecting the secret hideout of Dick Cheney
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
You can use the source, but most probably the source won't give too much information. So you will have to _understand_ the source for the proper explanation.
;)
Nonetheless, I think
> New kernel update available, fixes
> i810 video oops, several security issues
is too ridiculous. Video "oops"...
In my opinion this strange DMCA that the USA have been using, has to be revised very fast.
Regards,
obii
except if you used some ludicrously tortured logic.
Earth to 91degrees. Come in 91degrees. The only logic your US polititions use is ludicrously tortured. Earth out.
1. I wonder if any lawyer can make a lawsuit out of this. If they do, they must have read "The Thing", and thus can be jailed. Why a lawsuit? I don't know, but lawsuits in the US seem to be the only way to say something or prove it.
:)
2. I'm sure RedHat folks will be called terrorists. After all, the "Red" in the Hat (and the fact that they are Kernel HACKERS) says it all...
smile, it's fun
-- There are two kind of sysadmins: Paranoids and Losers. (adapted from D. Bach)
I could tell you but then I would have to kill you!
It's not that Clinton didn't understand the law, he was just *slurp* distracted at the *slurp* time.
... and I live in a free country ... NOT!
What if someone forces you to read it?
:-)
You know, this could be used to "frame" someone;
Print it out (don't look at it!), then, when your victim least expects it - pull it up and say "read"!
Go to the nearest police station and say that you captured a "terrorist".
Lucky me, I live in sweeeeeden..
Who actually reads the fine print when they download something or access a web site???
...turn over my first born... missing appendages...soul....I am willing to bet a couple of people have clicked yes to this! poor dudes.
prOn sites: The button that says I am under 18 get me outta here! Who would ever click this button???
Micro$oft Eula:
and now we have...
Redhat: Don't click on the button if you are not a U.S Citi.... Click!
From excellent karma to terible karma with a single +5 funny post...
I'm just glad that being in the UK we have politicians who won't go around creating really stupid laws to do with copyright / encryption etc.....oh wait... ;)
Of course someone could. But not, under US law, without having more money than Microsoft has - if they want to win.
Still, as a principal, it is a bit silly to disallow a text describing the change but allow the source which IS the change. Stupid law.
I agree. The DMCA should be updated to disallow any patching of security holes what-so-ever.
It doesn't matter if the law will totally discourage effective security measures by outlawing any discussion or implementation of flaws or improvements. As long as we have the DMCA to protect us, any attempted security measure is good enough even if it's just some text on a screen that say "don't look here under penalty of the DMCA". Of course we'll need to gouge out your eyes as potential copyright circumvention devices, but that's a small price to pay to guarantee our security, our safety, and our liberty.
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here is the time to have a true "world company"
let's base debian in antarctica...
Alright then, so RedHat should do this... /*
kernel advisory here
*/
There. Its code.
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Jusr remember that politicians are like diapers
and need to be changed often for the same reason.
So, Microsoft's program of quickly released, well documented patches is being cancelled?
Geeee nice going. Now with this posted in the comments and anyone who reads/post the comments is liable for the above comment. Good thing I did not post anything...^C^C^Z^CsdSD#$RJ^C^C^Z
...STOP SUBMIT BUTTON!!!
FUCK
^C^C^Z^Z@#@#SD....
NO! NO! Please don't mod me, I'm too young to die a troll. *click* Oh the pain, the pain...
2002: New RedHat Kernel Patch Illegal to Explain to U.S. Users
2012: New RedHat Kernel Illegal to Explain to U.S. Users
2022: Engineering Illegal to Explain to U.S. Users
Opus: the Swiss army knife of audio codec
I'm a moderator, and I was going to moderate this post, but then I realized there wasn't a "-1 Illegal" option...
-Sean
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One future, two choices. Oppose them or let them destroy us.
Isn't everywhere outside Europe the U.S.? Sometimes sure seems so, since many americans seem to think there are only two countries: U.S. and "other", often "Europe"
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Gee, Alan Cox being a melodramatic ass? The horror. (He's British; it's his birth right.)
Would all you chicken little's please line up in a tight little column so I don't have to use any more bullets than necessary. (they aren't free, after all.)
Nowhere in the DMCA am I prohibited from circumventing my own copy protection measures ("devices"), telling people how to get around my copy protection measures, providing and even selling for a profit means to circumvent my own copy protection measures on my own copyrighted stuffs.
Next your going to tell me "breaking and entering" are violations of the DMCA. I've circumvented your access controls -- that being the locks on your doors -- and gained unauthorized access to copyrighted materials.
No, but Cheney's secret hideout is here and its perfectly legal to discuss this and enter into your favorite rendering program all the building information that you can glean from the satellite photos, make a quake mod, practice assaulting the place. However, you will go straight to hell for [reading, discussing, thinking about] faulty joystick drivers. God Bless the USA!
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You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time.
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They can do whatever they feel.
Cong' man, Are you listening to me
I said, cong' man, what do you want to be
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all you've got to do is this one thing.
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And just break that, its the D.M.C.A.
I'm sure you can break that today
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That's when someone came up to me
and said young man take a walk up 1600 pen 'reet
There's a thing there called the D.M.C.A.
They can start you'r ass on it's way.
D.M.C.A.
just go to the J.A.I.L.
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The description is not a decription of the patch itself, but of the original flaw.
Taking this further: once the security flaw has been discovered, does it then become illegal to distribute the unpatched version of the software as it now contains a 'circumvention device'?
For most DMCA violations it should be "+1 Illegal".
How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
I couldn't read the source in teh patch, there must be some problem with it, is it encrypted or something? Here's all I got:
/hfe/fep/rkpyhqr yvahk.20cer1/nepu/v386/xreary/gencf.p yvahk.20cer1-np1/nepu/v386/xreary/gencf.p0 6 15:42:19.000000000 +0100
/* Znfx bhg fchevbhf qroht gencf qhr gb ynml QE7 frggvat */
qvss -h --arj-svyr --erphefvir --rkpyhqr-sebz
--- yvahk.20cer1/nepu/v386/xreary/gencf.p2002-08-06 15:40:50.000000000 +0100
+++ yvahk.20cer1-np1/nepu/v386/xreary/gencf.p2002-08-
@@ -305,8 +319,13 @@
fgngvp ibvq vayvar qb_genc(vag gencae, vag fvtae, pune *fge, vag iz86,
fgehpg cg_ertf * ertf, ybat reebe_pbqr, fvtvasb_g *vasb)
{
-vs (iz86 && ertf->rsyntf & IZ_ZNFX)
-tbgb iz86_genc;
+vs (ertf->rsyntf & IZ_ZNFX) {
+vs (iz86)
+tbgb iz86_genc;
+ryfr
+tbgb genc_fvtany;
+}
+
vs (!(ertf->kpf & 3))
tbgb xreary_genc;
@@ -514,10 +533,15 @@
{
hafvtarq vag pbaqvgvba;
fgehpg gnfx_fgehpg *gfx = pheerag;
+hafvtarq ybat rvc = ertf->rvc;
fvtvasb_g vasb;
__nfz__ __ibyngvyr__("zbiy %%qo6,%0" : "=e" (pbaqvgvba));
+/* Vs gur hfre frg GS, vg'f fvzcyrfg gb pyrne vg evtug njnl. */
+vs ((rvc >=CNTR_BSSFRG) && (ertf->rsyntf & GS_ZNFX))
+tbgb pyrne_GS;
+
vs (pbaqvgvba & (QE_GENC0|QE_GENC1|QE_GENC2|QE_GENC3)) {
vs (!gfx->guernq.qrohtert[7])
Oh lordy, I'm probably in contravention of the QZPN?
(Christ, I can't believe how lame I am! Whatever, it made me laugh!)
THL.
Keeping
If the only Europeans US tourists come into contact with are Parisians, no wonder they think all Europeans are pompous pricks.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Wasn't there some issue with not being able to patch the DMCA for similar reasons?
Consider the options:
1. Live under the DMCA. Linux developers, who live all around the globe, start snubbing US Citizens because of DMCA fears (mostly legitimate). So as a US Citizen, you don't really have an open source O/S anymore -- no one is sharing source or info with you!
Result: You have a Microsoft-like "Patch and Pray" situation developing. You don't know what the patches do, or whether you want or need them. You're a mushroom -- you're kept in the dark and fed bullshit. LOVELY. Switch to FreeBSD. Or maybe OpenBSD. Whatever.
2. You get fed up with the DMCA and move elsewhere, in hopes of finding a new country whose intellectual environment is supposedly more open and accessible. I don't personally endorse this (I love NY) but hell, it might be ok for people less attached to their environs.
Result: You're surrounded by people who despise George W. Bush and see you as their personal GWBush voodoo doll. So they harangue and harass you about every screwed up thing the U.S. does as if you personally ordered it. Everyone hates you. You can't walk twenty feet down the street without some French psycho grabbing your collar and screaming at you for being "imperialist scum" (or whatever the current anti-US epithet is, I can't keep track). As soon as word gets out that an American lives nearby, terrorists swoop in and cut off your head, if you haven't killed yourself from depression already. No one cries at your funeral, and the stonecarver deliberately misspells your name.
Not really an option. I'd say maybe Canada, but even they don't like us anymore. I have a friend living in the Far East, but then, some people got their heads cut off over there recently, so that's out. Ok...
3. Become an activist and protest the DMCA, start political rallies, support the green party, etc. Raise all kinds of hell in hopes of altering the status quo.
Result: with the FBI's newly restored powers (they've recently gotten back the powers stripped from them after Watergate, in case you haven't heard) they identify you as a rabble rouser, anti-American whatsis, etc and so forth, and you get busted for every possible thing you could get busted for right down to jaywalking. We're talking the total Abbie Hoffman treatment. Eventually you go into hiding or get so depressed you kill yourself (or some CIA spook helps you kill yourself, either way).
FACE IT, CHUMS! I've already resigned myself to it. I am doomed. I fully understand this. So, the hell with it. I'll stay right where I am, where at least my neighbors like me. Maybe I'll get stuck with Palladium, maybe I'll get stuck with the DMCA. Fuck it. There's FUCK-ALL I can do about it anyway.
And, if people won't tell me what kernel patches do, if they snub me for things that are totally out of my control, well, screw it. I'll switch to BSD. Or maybe something else. Adapt, improvise, overcome.
One thing's for certain: I'm not travelling ourside our borders ever again. NOBODY likes us. EVERYONE hates us. Time to stay home and fire up the Playstation!
Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
Shouldn't this be posted on Kaaza with all the other copyright violations?!?
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I was trying to avoid seeing that! Now what am i going to do?
A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.
No it just means that the vote-spoiling is implemented in software, instead of hardware.
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
It reminds me of another saying: if you make someone think you are making them think, they'll love you. But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Think about it.
I hate you.
m00.
...someone host in on a US server and clearly display that under the DMCA the following is illegal. Then say "Fuck you assholes, here it is. Come get me" Take a stand and fight this shit biscuit.
:) I mean, someone with balls. They should do it.
Huh, wha, me? you want me to do it? I would but i don't want to have my server shut down
"What thou shalt not, I shalt did!" -Bart Simpson
I can see the future of Slashdot:
poster1: blah blah blah blah blah blah
poster2: RTFA!
poster1: F you! I would have RTFA, but hey, I'm an American. RTFDMCA.
__ Someday, but not this morning, I'll finally learn to use the preview button.
Eh?
You know where you are? You're in the $PATH, baby. You're gonna get executed!
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