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Library of Congress Map Collections from 1500's
e03179 writes "A friend of mine stumbled across this
site from the US Library of Congress.
The website allows users to view maps that go all the way back to the 1500's (like
this one
of America in 1562). The maps have been converted to digital form (SID format
- viewer available here)
but are viewable in .GIF form
in your browser. I was able to look up my hometown during 1871 and see the church in which I'm getting married. Who thought the LOC could be so 31337?"
you are a pirate lost in time
Choosing the lesser of two evils is a choice for evil.
These maps aren't very good for directions. For example, the entire state of California is missing, and the United States isn't even recognizable. They may be fine for getting around Europe, but for use in the Americas, well, they're worthless.
So could you please tell me if they included a map for Palestine and Israel so we can settle this once and for all ?
I guess the hadn't discovered more then 256 colors in the 1500's
Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley
Contentental drift will have moved things around since these maps were drawn, it will be impossible to recognise features now.
Shame, I like maps.
Why aren't there SVG versions available? Icons are great in SVG, but one area where SVG can really strut it's stuff is maps.
Who thought the LOC could be so 31337?"
Actually, librarians were one of the earlier professions outside of the hard sciences to "get" computers.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. BB
I hope they respect the copyrights on those documents! Remember, sharing is stealing!
I don't understand the constant hypocracy taking place at slashdot. When asking taco why he uses .GIFs for all of the graphics on slashdot, as the majority of the ./ crowd favors PNGs over GIFs for numerous reasons, he told me not to confuse HIS interests with the interests of the readers. Hmmph
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
I came across some more old maps the other day, quite a few from the 1500's.
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Great site for maps from the present time found here... Includes printable maps, trails, atlas info, etc...
The viewer requires registration. If a site requires registration to give out its "free" product, then I don't consider it 'free' anymore. Anyone have any other viewers for MrSID?
This must be where MapQuest does all their data mining.... I always wondered why it told me to take so many non-existent roads..
Sigs? We don't need no stinking sigs!
And after batman and robin travelled back in time to the 16th century, carrying with them their printed off map. "According to the {VERY ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF NORTH AMERICA} we should be on land right now, but we are in the middle of the ocean Batman!"
What we see depends on mainly what we look for. -- John Lubbock Now search for that bug slave!
My University has vanished! I found a map of Champaign, IL (I go to the U of I there...) ca. 1869 (2 years after the University was supposedly founded) and there's nothing there! The map shows farmland where all of the University buildings are! So, the question is, did the U of I really exist then, or are they just pulling my leg? I want answers!
Oh, and thanks for the red herring link to the burn all gifs website, keep your politics to yourself or at least warn that it's not to LOC gif images.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Anyone figure out how to get the full zoomed in version of a map? Zooming in on a screen size version is nice, but is there a way to get the whole image at full resolution?
MrSID format is fairly intelligent. I had the pleasure of working with some Perl code which impliments the UI, and calls a compiled program to shove out the .GIF. Ported a good chunk to PHP, streamlined it a bit, and did some overlay magic on it.
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Surely you jest. LIbraries are the oldest and ultimate repository of geek-ness. WHat could be more 31337.
Interestingly, the world's first library just reopened a couple of days ago.
Or you could visit this extraordinary place.
Think back to SnowCrash, that piece of geek required reading...
(for the uninitiated, the Protagonist of SnowCrash is a uber-hacker of sorts who freelances doing data mining for the library of congress. He also delivers pizza for the Mafia, or did until he crashed his car.)
Wow, you mean Texas actually wasn't the center of the world back then? What a horrible unenlightened time that was. No wonder the map scale is not in Standard Texas Units.
Karma: Frotzed (mostly due to the Frobozz Magic Karma Company)
These maps aren't very good for directions. For example, the entire state of California is missing, and the United States isn't even recognizable.
I guess you must have missed the disclaimer: "When using this map, it's a good idea to do a reality check and make sure the road still exists, watch out for construction, and follow all traffic safety precautions. This map is only to be used as an aid in planning."
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
Size of Slashdot's logo (title.gif): 3473 bytes
Size of Slashdot's logo as a PNG: 2558 bytes
Savings of 915 bytes
That's a savings of nearly a gig per million downloads. Imagine the savings when you do all the other graphics on the site, too.
I love old maps on weekends; by day, I love modern spatial datasets at the large earth-science agency at which I work (OK, it's a part of the Dept. of Injustice as referenced in a recent /. article on the 100% M$ solution. My team is about 50% Mac, 40% Win, 10% *nix - but that's OT).
Maps can be considered a superset of the relational/OO database; x, y, z and t have special properties (try indexing on x and y). If you'd like to learn more of this facinating topic, do the usual searches but be sure to include GIS (geographic information system, not guessing is simpler, as some have suggested).
Cheers from a first-poster. /. is great!
Should be:
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
Infuriate left and right
I found this page the other week (while trying to settle an argument over some street names) and I found you can get the entire full-resolution maps in gif - with a little hackery. Go to a map and set it at the smallest zoom. Now look at the image location - yep, it's CGI generated and right in the query are the position, width and height. A little trial and error and you can get the entire map out as a single gif.
How many of these map collections could fit on the head of a pin?
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
I found the attitude in this story very odd, considering online map library exhibits have been around many years. What's next, people start discovering LOC's *free* pre-Google answers service?
Get a grip, nerds, librarians are Not What You Think. (draft of a page I made a few months ago especially directed at the slashdot crowd, url published here for the first time ever!). See also a category I build at the ODP, Librarians in Society.
Pretty much every piece of land on the planet has been conquered by someone at some point in history. Get over it.
This is the my current listing of extext and related projects. Some have photographic studies of old text, photos and maps, others are standard text or marked up text.
I appoligize in advance for the format, but I format this correctly it gets rejected as having too few charictors per line.
The Humanities Text Initiative: www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/p/pd-modeng/pd-modeng-idx, The Internet Sacred Text Archive: www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm,
The Bralyn E-text Archive: www.bralyn.net/etext/, The Early Canadiana Online Archive: www.canadiana.org/cgi-bin/ECO/mtq, The Canada
Digital Collection: collections.ic.gc.ca/, The Online Book Page at the U. of Penn.: onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/,
A Celibration of Women Writers project at the U. of Penn.: digital.library.upenn.edu/women/, The Litrix Reading Room archive: www.litrix.com/,
National Library of Canada Online Etexts: collection.nlc-bnc.ca/e-coll-e/inet-loc-e.htm, The Oxford Text Archive United Kingdom Archive: ota.ahds.ac.uk/index.html,
Jennifer L. Armstrong's Free Online Novels archive: www.free-online-novels.com/, The U. of Calgary Online Children's Stories: www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~dkbrown/stories.html,
The Best Children's Literature On The Net project: www.geocities.com/Paris/Jardin/1630/index.html, The Christian Classics Ethereal Library: www.ccel.org/,
The Free Online Inspirational Books Archive: www.inspirationalmedia.com/eBooks.htm, The Internet Christian Library Project: www.iclnet.org/,
The Online Library of Literature: www.literature.org/, Arthur's Classic Novels Archive: members.fortunecity.com/wendover/index.html,
The Bibliomania Archive: www.bibliomania.com/, The Bygosh.com etext archive: bygosh.com/index.html,
The Electronic Literature Foundation: elf.chaoscafe.com/elf_by_Author.htm, The Internet Classics Archive at MIT: classics.mit.edu/,
Project Gutenberg: www.promo.net/pg, The Online Book Initiative: ftp.std.com/OBI,
The Internet Wiretap Project (used to be wiretap.spies.com): wiretap.area.com, The U. of Virginia etext project and sub projects: etext.lib.virginia.edu,
The Chinese Philosophical Etext Archives: angle.web.wesleyan.edu/etext/, The NetLibrary Etext Archive: netlibrary.net,
The johannesen.com collection: www.johannesen.com/OnlineGMD.htm, The Internet Public Library (indexes many other repositories as well): www.ipl.org,
Alex Catalogue of Electronic Texts (American & English lit as well as Western philosophy): www.infomotions.com/alex/, The University of Texas at Austin online collection: www.lib.utexas.edu/books/booksut.html,
The English Server (and its various subprojects): eserver.org/fiction/, The Making of America project at the U. of Mich.: moa.umdl.umich.edu/index.html,
The University of Chicago Library (3 collections): www.lib.uchicago.edu/eos/html/ www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/ets/efts/ and www.lib.uchicago.edu/efts/ARTFL/newhome/texts/,
The SunSite (UC berkley) collection: sunsite.berkeley.edu/Collections/, The Library Of Congress's various projects: www.loc.gov/library/libarch-digital.html,
The Bartleby collection: www.bartleby.com/, The Bielefeld University Library (Germany): www.ub.uni-bielefeld.de/english/,
The Camelot Project: www.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/cphome.stm, The Blake Digital Text Project: virtual.park.uga.edu/wblake/home1.html,
The Schoenberg Project: www.library.upenn.edu/etext/, The Clevland Digital Library: web.ulib.csuohio.edu/SpecColl/cdl/,
The Everglades Digital Library: everglades.fiu.edu/library/index.html, The Historical Text Archive: historicaltextarchive.com/,
The Humanities Text Intitiative (University of Michigan): www.hti.umich.edu/, The University of Virginia etext project and subprojects: etext.virginia.edu/,
The NY Public Library etext project (comming soon): digital.nypl.org/, The Perseus project: www.perseus.tufts.edu/,
The CDC reading library: www.cdc.gov/publications.htm,
The US Army's online libraries: www.adtdl.army.mil/atdls.htm www.dtic.mil/doctrine/ www.libraries.army.mil/ www.tricare.osd.mil/afml/ www.hqda.army.mil/library/ carlisle-www.army.mil/library/,
Marine Corps Publications: www.usmc.mil/marinelink/ind.nsf/publications, The US Air Force e-publishing page: www.e-publishing.af.mil/orgs.asp?type=pubs,
The Thoreau project: www.niulib.niu.edu/thoreau/, The Free Fiction Library: www.free-fiction.com/library/,
The Ancent Greek Literature Project: www.hol.gr/greece/ancwords.htm, The Free Novels Online project at cjb.net: freenovelsonline.cjb.net/,
I have a few maps of my hometown that predate the oldest LOC maps of the area (mine are from early 1800s). Does anyone know of a method to submit maps for archival? (I don't really want to give them away, but I would like to see them digitally archived)
I love maps. Maps rock.
If anyone out there knows if there is a job market out there for geographers or cartographers, email me or post something. I'm in the career change mood.
wyattearp@mac.com
This is an off topic post, I know it, you know it.
Not exactly.
America (the landmass) has been inhabited for several thousands of years.
"People" began arriving in America between 30,000 and 10,000 years ago via the Bering Strait.
Columbus arrived here in 1492 as (supposedly) the first European.
Virginia Dare was the first American child born of European parents in 1587.
The Declaration of Independence was finished on July 4, 1776, creating the United States of America
An interesting sorite. When did America come into existance???
Satanists get good grades too...suspiciously good grades
"player 4 hit player 1 with 0 stroms"
Zooming in on a screen size version is nice, but is there a way to get the whole image at full resolution?
Hack the image URL. The position and resolution are right in the query. For example, a 1024x768 detail from the New World map.
(I tell ya, our maps suck these days. No dragons, sea serpants, gods, cherubs... all you get are little icons that show you were the nearest Red Roof Inn is)
Hmmm; the maps of Boston seem just about as good for getting around here as any I've seen at a bookstore recently....
I downloaded the sid viewer, linux version, but the menus don't work. I'm able to pull down the menus but not able to click or select the options.
Anyone else having such issues?
narbey
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no duh. You know what else is patented? Try the way your cursor goes to the next line when you hit return - seriously
Let me know you need help burning your return key.
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/oldcolor/technicol or1.htm
What is interesting is that Technicolor went through various technology changes:
System 1 [1917 - 1922]
System 2 [1922 - 1927] and System 3 [1927 - 1933]
System 4 [1932 - 1955]
Also of interesting to color palette junkies is Cine Color
All part of the Old Color System pages of the Wide Screen Museum
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Bah. Diamond Age was a waste of time.
And Stephenson was really negative about Zodiac, which I really enjoyed. The plot is very similar to Snow Crash, though with a different setting.
If you're a Snow Crash fan, reading Zodiac is a blast.
Cryptonomicon is very good in places, but a fair number of those 900 pages went into very slow material (building venture capital and doing oceanographic surveying is about as entertaining as it sounds).
I just want a Snow Crash II. Gritty, full of hyperbole and ridiculously badass characters, cynical as hell, and glorifying tech. And the sentences...NS must have rolled them around in his mouth for quite some time before committing them to paper. They read like film noir dialog.
May we never see th
I wonder if they have any of the anomalous 16th century maps that happen to accurately depict Antarctica as though it were free of ice. That's of course impossible, but there are maps, the most famous being the Admiral Piri Reis map, that accurately display the subglacial topography. There are also maps by Mercator and Buache that also display antarctic subglacial features.
Of course, the subglacial topography of Antarctica was unknown until sonar surveys of the 1950's, and the whole continent itself was unknown until the early 19th century.
Qu'on me donne six lignes écrites de la main du plus honnête homme, j'y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre.
Also, try the Perry-Castañeda Library at UTexas. - a good collection of both
vintage _and_ current interest / events related maps.
My university was founded in 1583, and there are others in this country which were around at the time when your country was producing maps like this :)
Black for borders.
White for everything else.
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
1024x768 is no way NEAR full size! That's not even 14" diagonal, and the US is a couple of thousand MILES wide.
Next time get your act together.
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
They have movies of people in SF in the early 1900s, sheet music of civil war songs, photos of old mining towns in Colorado, recordings of appalachia string bands, etc, etc.
One of my favorite sites on the web, and always being updated with more Olde Shite. recommended.
Actually at that time patents lasted 17 years after they were granted, this year is the last year for the patent I believe. Though it could be 2003 is the last year since I cant remember when the rule 20year from filing or 17 years from granting went into effect. This was done to "rationalize" our patents to the EU time period.
Americans think that a 200 year old city is "old".
That site is great. The other handy thing about it is the indications of what areas were yet unexplored at the time. By looking at a map of the era I know what fuzzy unknown wilderness areas are ripe to be populated with all sorts of Bad Guy hideouts and such.
On another note, I noticed an awful lot of the birds-eye artist rendition maps are from the Wisconsin area, where I live, and I thought that was a bit odd. It turns out the reason for it is that the Library of Congres' project of comissioning maps of all the new cities happened to be in effect at about the time the artist's birds-eye rendition was in vouge, which was also about the time this part of the country was starting to be heavily settled.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
To render that 3-page printout of the seattle map, I had to download the linux version of the MrSID viewer, download the SID file, and display it that way (the web interface scales gifs down to 640x400 at most).
Here's some stuff about the MrSID view (at least the linux version. I didn't try any of the other ports).
1 - All it lets you do is view on the screen. It has no "print" option.
2 - It does have the ability to dump out to a number of common image file formats, but it only dumps out the image at the resolution being displayed currently on the screen, so it cannot make an image larger than your screen's resolution.
3 - I know the SID files are actually capable of much higher resolution than that.
4 - So what I ended up having to do to make the big hi-res version of the image was to have MrSID zoom in on various sections of the picture, and save those zoomed-in areas as seperate files.
5 - Then I glued the seperate images together in GIMP into one big image. This I had to do visually since there was no way to tell MrSID to size itself to a specific section of the image by coordinates,
and so my zoomed-in dumps had overlapping bits.
Summary: The site is very very cool, but the MrSID viewer you have to use to get the full resolution images is annoying. I'd much rather just download the large version as a really big JPEG and use whatever image editor I feel like once I have it.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
Really? Where did Columbus land in 1492 then?
India?
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
From what I've heard, slightly earlier versions of IE on Windows had semi-cruddy PNG support.
Non-transparent indexed-color PNGs work just fine in IE 4.x and later. Binary-transparent indexed-color PNGs work just fine in IE 5.x and later. Alpha-transparent PNGs still don't work even in 6.x, but GIF supports only binary transparency and indexed color anyway.
pin eight has burned all GIFs.
Will I retire or break 10K?
there's no reason anyone on Earth should continue to use Netscape 4.
Make Mozilla useful on a six-year-old P100 with 24 MB of RAM of the type commonly found in K-12 school systems, and I'll believe you.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I thought .SID was a music format that contained a Commodore 64 program to play music through its SID synthesizer chip.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Nobody knows for sure where Columbus landed.
But one thing is almost for sure: it wasn't the mainland of what we now call the US.
You can check it out here.
MM
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Sorry to yell and all, but c'mon, what sort of geeks are you?
The Four color conjecture is interesting because its confirmation was the first computer assisted proof.
It was proven manually that all maps are reducible to 1500 odd cases. These were then exhaustively tested over 1000 odd computer hours to verify that indeed they could all be colored using no more than four colors.
What about a continent with five contries:
+vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv+
1 1 1
+vvvvvv+vvvvvvvvvvvv+
1 2 1 1
+vvvvvv+ X 1
1 3 1 1 ones used in place of pipe due to lameness filter
+vvvvvv+vvvvvvvvvvvv+ v used in place of dash due to lameness filter
1 4 1
+vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv+
What color do you suggest for the country labeled "X"?
HOW IRONIC IS IT SLASHDOT'S "LAMENESS FILTER" IS ITSELF INDESCRIBABLY LAME?