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Holograms - The Future Without The Funny Glasses
hopbine writes "MIT Technology Review has an
interesting article
on the latest trends in holograms. I like the NYU's NY3D system. It
puts an LCD display in front of a normal CRT and by monitoring the viewers
eye movement it can flash on and off parts of the LCD screen showing
each eye a different image through the gaps, producing a 3D image.
Another research project shows how researchers can "feel"
the hologram.
Maybe the holodeck is not that far away !"
Companies Working in Three Dimensions
COMPANY TECHNOLOGY POSSIBLE APPLICATIONS
Actuality Systems
(Burlington, MA) Spinning screen inside a clear sphere creates 3-D images that appear to float. Battlefield visualization, biomolecular research
Deep Video Imaging
(Hamilton, New Zealand) Two LCD screens, one in front of the other, provide a multi-dimensional effect. Finance, navigation, petrochemical exploration, medical R&D, graphic design
Dimension 3
(Woodland Hills, CA) Color-filtering glasses and glasses with one dark lens make moving objects stand out. Television, print media
Dynamic Digital Depth
(Santa Monica, CA) Software recreates 3-D depth data from two-dimensional materials. Advertising, retail, television, computer gaming
X3D Technologies
(New York, NY) LCD glasses work with an ordinary display to create a 3-D illusion. Television, personal computers
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I have never stumbled across this term before, does it refer to an xbox game or something? I'd like more information.
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Wasn't this or an article like it already posted a couple of weeks ago?
holographic people walking around. The future is near, woops here it is. Hornbeck
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Hmm, this would lessen seperation between the virtual world and reality even more. Is it really a good thing for video gamers to be able to have fully immersive worlds, that aren't just on a screen? Imagine if a baby grew up in a holographic simulation! They would be really messed up if they had to go outside into the real world. That would be sad if people only lived in virtual worlds while the real world crumbled around them. Sigh. Oh well, it looks like that's what people want.
How bummed would everyone be if Holograms were switched on at the same time, as they had the ability to reject you.
Holographic Barbara Bush saying you weren't her type could create some pretty wicked psychic scars.
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I can already see where "feeling" holograms will lead. The dont call it the worlds oldest profession for nothing.
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It was and probably still is called a viewmaster.
If anyone has ever gone into a hologram shop and looked at the merchandise...
Yes, they are cool, but they're also somewhat indistinct. For a lot of them, you get an overlap at various angles, and have to squint a bit. The colors are also way off. While this is ok for a novelty static image, I think that for my PC I would want something of a higher caliber.
The second article shows a "sample" picture. Obviously some of the realism and depth will be lost by showing it on a computer monitor (like those digital TV "see the clarity" ads on my normal set), but it looks pretty indistinct to me.
Showing a wireframe 16-color DNA molecule in pseudo-3d is one thing. Managing to get the broad spectrum of colours in a good refresh rate with realistic and crisp depth is probably going to take some time yet.
Oh, and what's with the demo. "Two cameras track eye movement???" Seems pretty dumb to me, as how is it going to handle multiple people for the stereoscopic view, or ever properly track eye moment.
I think I'll save my quarters for a high-def 21"+ monitor - phorm
Will this holographic technology lead to the downfall of stripclubs and prostitution?
I'm waiting for the technology that enables a computer user to feel another person's pain.
Is it just me or does the whole concept of tracking people's eye movements in order to generate 3D images fundamentally wrong? My first reaction every time that I hear this is "isn't there lag in between when a user moves his eye and the computer adjusts?" I can understand eye tracking for some purposes, but not really for display.
My main concern in this though is that two people cannot see in 3D off of the same screen at the same time. Personally, I don't think that 3D imaging technology will move much beyond it's current "look i'm shiny, new, but not really practical" until we begin to see actual 3D constructions in space. Either that or transparent cubes that can have 3D images rendered inside them.
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.. I thought you were just a hologram.
by Bill Clinton.
Got confused though. He also thought it made interns invisible.
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I must say that the idea of three-dimensional computer use would be extremely... COOL! However, I think that for quite some time during the first years of development, there will be problems with people having adjustment problems. When I first played the N64--before I had a computer--the 3D graphics alone made me a little naucious after the first few hours. I adjusted all right, but that was being displayed on a 2D screen. Well, perhaps it's just me, but I think this won't be too great in its early years.
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Top ten reasons it won't happen:
10) Hard to be sure the performer is "real"
9) Too hard to transmit disease-causing viruses over net
8) No chewing gum stuck to bottom of shoes afterwards
7) Lacks thrill of getting mugged in crappy neighborhood
6) Too clinical without camaraderie of fellow perverts
5) Two words: lightning strikes
4) Risk of getting caught looking goofy is greater at home
3) Hard to explain those funny-looking peripherals to Mom
2) Neighbors tire of cops breaking into holojohn's house
1) Can't replicate thrill of accidentally picking transvestite
Most of these technologies are also based on old ideas and have also been around for years; it's just that the ability of computers and displays is finally catching up with the needs of such displays.
Overall, it is hard to see, though, why people really care that much about not wearing glasses. LCD shutter glasses or head mounted displays are getting small and less expensive. Instead of having some bulky contraption take up space, wouldn't you rather have something small you can take anywhere?
With fewer ethical controls on corporate interests, this sort of thing could get wacko-conspiracy-theorist scary. Holographic video is based on technology taking advantage of the difference between the speeds that we can process images with light, and the speeds that information can be translated through the eyes by the brain. Now, movies are based on the same concept, basically, to simulate movement of static pictures. The frightening thing is that subliminal messages should be easier to work into technology such as this, and when presented in the right situation, whether what you are looking at is real or not can even be called into question. Imagine a 3-D advertisement subtly inserted into a virtual fish tank. With sufficiently advanced technology, we could be subjected to ads when we think we're just looking around the "real world", whatever that will come to mean. How possible is it that this technology will be used to advertise before it is used to entertain? Will we know the difference?
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The article and the author, and apparently the readers here are substantially misguided in their understanding of what a hologram is. A hologram is not defined by 3D stereopsis! The technologies listed in the article are not holograms .
A hologram does not use 3D glasses or LCD displays. Holograms are film recordings of a 3D wavefronts of an object. This is very important, as with a hologram, you can look behind objects by moving your viewing position.
Thus, holograms are not illusions of 3D, they are actually 3D--they have true depth and your eyes can focus on different planes of depth.
The technologies listed here (as all other 3D technologies except holography) simply trick your eyes into seeing different images which create an illusion of 3D stereopsis. They do not however allow your eye to focus on different points in 3D space, look behind objects, or change your perspective. They are thus inferior to holograms by a significant amount.
Why dont we have Holographics displays then? Well it has been done, but it takes too much memory to capture the full 3D wavefront of an object, so its not practical yet. Moores law will fix that soon I hope.
do you people EVER read the article?
The Viewmaster *is* glasses.
Sculpture, however has been around for quite a while, as have true holograms. I think the idea here is that you can have a holographic image that moves
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
- These aren't holograms. It's stereoscopic vision.
- Remember "virtual boy" ? Sega's 3D glasses? How about "same thing".
Soon we'll be up to the level of technology from 1995.you could literally die of fright by playing Doom 4 on one of these things. I'm serious. This technology is powerful.
What do you have against people with glasses, two-eyes!
My first reaction every time that I hear this is "isn't there lag in between when a user moves his eye and the computer adjusts?"
How often do you move you're head while sitting in front of the computer? Besides, the system only needs to know where you're eyes are down to the distance between you're eyes. On a system with a lag of 10ms, for example, you would need to move you're head 4 inches in 10ms before you would notice any distortion. That's 227 miles per hour. If you're head's moving that fast, you've got other things to worry about.
Even with a 100ms delay, you've still got to move you're head side to side at 23 miles an hour to lose the holographic display.
As far as eye tracking, if the software/hardware can produce images for 4 points of view, then just track four eyes with the camera, otherwise it's not an issue anyway. Repeat with more sets of eyes.
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Maybe the holodeck is not that far away !
Speaking of Holodecks: If you could live out any fantasy in such an environment, would you bother to come back to the real world? As soon as holodecks are created I predict society as we know it will end as everyone will be so utterly absorbed in the fantasy finding it probaby better than real life.
10) Price of Windex goes up due to increased demand.
9) Massive bandwidth shortages because of holographic file transfers.
8) Gay midgets porn on the increase.
7) No contact dances.
6) No specific scents.
5) Playstation 2 holographic mod chip not legal in the USA.
4) Invention of vapor technology.
3) ???
2) Profit!
1) Jizz moppers Union 341 is already asking for an injunction on this technology.
I've seen the images made by
>>Dynamic Digital Depth
and the effect can be summed up in one word...
HEADACHE
Did anyone else check out the 3D Volumetric Display at Actuality Systems? Very, very cool stuff.
Their marketing department also seems to realize the average consumer will use this for 3D pr0n, as their Photographs page takes special care to include a "last but not least" shot of "[The] pelvic region of female anatomy."
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Is it common to find patches of Starfleet Officer Jism(tm) on the floors of a frequently used holodeck? Or does that stuff vanish with the program?
How often do you move your head or eyes side to side 227 miles an hour while sitting at the computer?
Anyway, it doesn't matter where you're eyes are pointing, just where they are. Duh.
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... my superbly large "hologram", a figment of pure pixel projection
The MIT holovideo system does compute interference patterns, which are used to diffract light. It's the real deal in terms of focusing light in the right place. A lot of math techniques are used to reduce the computation, but the important part is there - directing light in the right places.
I don't know what's changed over the last half decade or so, but "way back then" there was one main difference between the holovideo system and traditional holograms. For holovideo, the diffraction patterns were calculated from a whole bunch of 2-D computer graphic images (i.e. the view from each angle) rather than a real live 3-D object. Perceptually, there is no significant difference between a holographic stereogram and a hologram, as long as enough viewing angles are used. But from a technical standpoint the creation technique is different -- so it has a different name.
By the way, one of the biggest annoyances was showing off the state-of-the-art holovideo system or still holograms to visitors, and having people consistantly say "Wow, those holograms look really bad." Everyone just assumed we'd at least be as good as Princess Leia in Star Wars; after all that movie was made decades ago, right?
my left eye is roughly half as good at seeing as my right, i wonder how that will affect my enjoyment of these holograms
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Did you read the article? The first MIT research project described (Mark II Holographics Video) in fact renders a real hologram: "At its core are the basic steps of creating a standard hologram: A laser beam is split in two. [...] Instead of light and mirrors, Benton and his team use specially developed computer algorithms. The algorithms calculate the kinds of microscopic lines necessary for a certain hologram, convert them into sound waves, and then send the waves into a stack of tellurium-oxide crystals that have the unique property of distorting temporarily when sound waves pass through them. That distortion forms the microscopic lines of the diffraction pattern that make up a hologram. A laser beam passing through that pattern conveys the image from the crystals to a view screen". The article has a diagram depicting this.
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so if it's subliminal that'd mean I wont notice anyway?
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Indeed. I visited the Army's Night Vision and Electro-Optics laboratory several years ago, where they do extensive work with lasers among other things. I was given a small clear polymer disk that had a very intricate hologram of a rose--it didn't look realistic, because it was meant to look *more* than realistic. It looked thoroughly 3D and was realistic in that respect, but it was designed to show a more vibrant and changing array of colors--extremely impressive for a plastic disk the size of a silver dollar.
;-)
But then again, what you can do with billions of dollars of equipment at your disposal is a lot different from what you can do with a consumer-level product, or even what most mid-level corporate backing could afford...
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..world whatever... Then we will have all sorts of photonic life forms running around, fighting for their rights...
We should make sure, that nobody runs some sort of 'Sherlock Holmes' programs on those things... It will go nuts and try to take over the ship... er... computer,
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3D without glasses? yeah, saw it 2 years ago at the Detroit Auto Show. Ford had what looked to be a 6-foot long x 3-foot high flat-panel that was displaying a 3D image. No glasses, opaque, full color, animating airflow. Freaked the hell out of me. I believe the Ford displays are mentioned in the article on the first page...
.. So, why is everyone crying pipe dream / vaporware? Slashdot makes Insta-Experts? I couldn't have imagined.
The dont call it the worlds oldest profession for nothing.
You mean "feeling" holograms will let you be a sheep herder?
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did you have to get money from the atm machine with your pin number to buy that lcd display?
The first one mentioned is bona-fide hologram. The diffraction pattern is not obtained by reference beam interference as in classical holograms, but computed from the wave equation, and then constructed in an acoustic-optical crystal.
The other technologies are not true holograms as you've obeserved.
You mean "feeling" holograms will let you be a farmer?
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one can see only a very few things at once.
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