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Magnetic Poles May Be About To Flip

AGD writes "According to the Guardian, Earth's magnetic field - the force that protects us from deadly radiation bursts from outer space - is weakening dramatically. . The article goes on to say 'Earth's magnetic field has disappeared many times before -- as a prelude to our magnetic poles flipping over, when north becomes south and vice versa.'"

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  1. I remember seeing this on sightings years ago... by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 3, Funny

    The date for the flip will be 5/5/2005, according to Sightings.

  2. Hrmm by acehole · · Score: 5, Funny

    How is santa going to navigate under those conditions?

    perhaps he better upgrade rudolph.

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    1. Re:Hrmm by flewp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whee. Another excuse to bash MS. I mean c'mon, does EVERYTHING have to somehow be turned into some MS bashing comment? Why don't you use something like "Good luck finding supported drivers for Rudolph's red nose in linux."
      Either all this MS bashing is because of a lack of anything intelligent to say, or slashdotter's just aren't that creative or funny.

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  3. I remember this from a few months ago by humming · · Score: 5, Informative

    And here is the link: Poles are about to shift

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  4. Re:I remember seeing this on sightings years ago.. by 26199 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'Could be in the next 1000 years', according to the article...

    A little less concerning :-)

  5. nope by tanveer1979 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There can be no particular date.
    The change will be gradual, with about a thousand years of no field. But I wont worry about it. There is no precedent of extinction due to pole reversal.
    If primitive beings could survive so can we. There must be some mechanism by which the earth wards of the effects. Maybe some thing in ionosphere. It kind of difficult to beleive that something which couldnt make anything extinct 250000 years ago will do it now on a species which spends most of its life under radiation shields(read buildings)

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    1. Re:nope by nick-less · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If primitive beings could survive so can we.

      you mean "we, the people living in industrial countries"?

    2. Re:nope by bjwest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Who knows what effect this will have on our electronic dependent society. Computers are so intergrated with our way of life, I doubt we'd all survive just the loss of them.

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    3. Re:nope by ghostrider_one · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not particularly worried about it, but I really do not want to be here when it happens. The earth's magnetic field (ie the magnetosphere, see here and here) has a vital role in keeping tremendous amounts of radiation (least of all from our own sun) away from the planet. Buildings make pretty lousy radiation shields, the average building wouldn't keep you safe from the radiation from the fallout from a nuclear weapon, let alone the massive amounts of radiation which would pour onto the earth without the magnetosphere. Even without the direct effects of the radiation on life-forms (massive deaths, sterility, mutations etc), it would be pretty tough to survive once the solar wind had stripped the atmosphere away from this rock we sit on.

    4. Re:nope by Shanep · · Score: 5, Funny

      the average building wouldn't keep you safe from the radiation from the fallout from a nuclear weapon, let alone the massive amounts of radiation which would pour onto the earth without the magnetosphere. Even without the direct effects of the radiation on life-forms (massive deaths, sterility, mutations etc), it would be pretty tough to survive once the solar wind had stripped the atmosphere away from this rock we sit on.

      Wow, what a fun loving, happy go lucky guy you are!

      Do you work for NASA's PR dept? ; )

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    5. Re:nope by Yorrike · · Score: 3, Insightful
      We sure as hell weren't living in industrial countires 1 million years ago. I'm sure we'll notice ths, but I doubt there'll be any mass extinction (of course, I am making assumptions here).

      I'm as worried about this as I am about the sun exploding. It's not likely to happen in my life, so I'll leave the problem to the /. crowd of the future to solve.

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    6. Re:nope by sql*kitten · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We sure as hell weren't living in industrial countires 1 million years ago. I'm sure we'll notice ths, but I doubt there'll be any mass extinction (of course, I am making assumptions here).

      That makes extinction more likely, not less. A modern society cannot revert to a pre-industrial state without 90% or more of its population dying in the process... subsistence farming simply can't support a population that grew on mechanized industrial farming. Not only that but most of the people won't have farming skills or tools, and there will be a sizeable minority who decide to just take by force rather than farm, which has a net result of reducing the chances of survival for everyone. Modern medicine and hygiene also means that our immune systems will have lost some of its capability.

      If there is a cataclysm, any human survivors will probably be the natives of the Brazilian rainforests, if there are any left by then. How ironic that they can't survive the encroachment of modern civilization but could survive something that a modern civilization couldn't.

  6. Wildebeest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In addition, many species of migrating animals and birds - from swallows to wildebeests - rely on innate abilities to track Earth's magnetic field. Their fates are impossible to gauge.

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Could this be the end of the GNU project?!

    1. Re:Wildebeest by naelurec · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have to give Gates credit .. this is really thinking outside the box .. :) Get rid of GNU/Linux? Simple! Switch the earth's magnetic polarity!

    2. Re:Wildebeest by Mike1024 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey,

      Could this be the end of the GNU project?!

      No, but HURD will definately be delayed.

      Michael

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  7. Will life survive again? by ensignyu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm wondering: how did life survive the other dozens of other times the pole flipped?

    What can humans do, besides burrowing or mutating?

    Suddenly, global warming (the artificially-induced kind) doesn't seem like that big of a long-term threat.

    1. Re:Will life survive again? by phaze3000 · · Score: 4, Troll
      Suddenly, global warming (the artificially-induced kind) doesn't seem like that big of a long-term threat.

      Except that the magnetic pole shift is likely to happen sometime in the next 1000 years or so. Global warming has the potential to wipe out humans prior to this time.

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    2. Re:Will life survive again? by mokeyboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      On global warming - much of the evidence is related to the melting of the polar icecaps. If the magnetic fields at the poles have been decreasing over the last 20 years, how much of the melt is due to more energetic radiation sliding down the field (weaker field, bigger V at the pole and greater cross-section of absorption for the energetic particles to penetrate). From memory, I believe that sat surveys of metropolitan areas have shown a decrease of 0.5 degrees in the same period (ground data is polluted by greater ambient temperature from concrete structures, bitumen etc) and its really the pole data that underpins much of the theory. Its not going to be fun when the poles do drift - we could end up with multiple pole pairs with high latitude magnetic effects in current mid-latitude areas. The auroras will be pretty but the disruption to HF radio is going to mean a much greater need for landline communications.

  8. Down under... not any more! by farfisa69 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Australia will become on top of the world and no longer the "arse end of the world". We rule!

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    1. Re:Down under... not any more! by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tell it as it is brother! Finally we'll get to condescendingly refer to Europeans and Americans as "down under".

      Oh how I wait for such things.

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    2. Re:Down under... not any more! by inode_buddha · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've always wanted to see my toilet flush in the opposite direction.

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    3. Re:Down under... not any more! by legoboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Whether or not you believe it's an urban myth, I satisfied myself that it is true by experimenting at the equator. Effects can be seen at a distance of about two meters to either side... I'll note that I tested this rather extensively myself, using my own materials, as I believed that it was a scam when it was first demonstrated to me.

      Some indian guy slightly north of Quito, Ecuador has what must be a lucrative business demonstrating this and a couple other things including his shrunken head collection (not sure if the heads are part of the standard tour, or were simply shown to me because I was so persistent about the water thing.. Others who had been there had not gotten it).

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    4. Re:Down under... not any more! by glesga_kiss · · Score: 4, Informative
      Whether or not you believe it's an urban myth

      What I believe is beside the point...a simple google search for "coriolis effect" reveals:

      Quote from usatoday.com:

      Any teacher who stands up in front of a class and says that Coriolis force determines which way the water flows from a sink or bathtub, should not only read Fraser's Bad Coriolis Web page, but be required to copy it on the blackboard 100 times.

      Or, take this much more detailed debunking, containing the following quote:

      This is so large that Coriolis forces will be insignificant compared to other fluid phenomena.

      Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself...I'm just the messenger ;-)

    5. Re:Down under... not any more! by Raiford · · Score: 4, Funny
      I made it through the last pole reversal with no problem. I covered myself with lodestones and always slept in an east-west orientation.

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  9. Climatic disturbance by stefanvt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The effects could be catastrophic. Powerful radiation bursts, which normally never touch the atmosphere, would heat up its upper layers, triggering climatic disruption.
    Seeing as the climate has been changing rapidly in the last hundred years. Could it also be a result of the declining magnetic field?
    1. Re:Climatic disturbance by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Could be, could be. I remember seeing a plot over time of exceptional weather conditions vs. solar activity, and they showed a strong relationship. A weaker magnetic field would increase this influence even further.

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    2. Re:Climatic disturbance by CynicTheHedgehog · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I saw on a video in Astronomy that every 11 years or so sun spots stop appearing on the Sun for a while and every 22 years or so portions of the Earth experience a major drought. They've gone back and compared tree rings from core samples of ancient trees and old records of sunspots for the last few hundred years or so and seen direct correlations.

      And if the magnetic field of the Sun does indeed flip every 11 years as I saw in another post, that could be the cause. My astronomy teacher thinks that the polarity of the planets' magnetic fields is directly influenced by the Sun. Maybe the field on the Earth is directly affected by the flip on the Sun, such that the field gets weaker and weaker until it finally flips itself, then gets stronger to its peak, and finally repeats the process in the other direction.

  10. That's enough by Ed+Avis · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm fed up with these xenophobic jokes about those crazy Poles and how they are always 'about to flip'.

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  11. Business model by Loki_1929 · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Buy 10,000 compasses
    2. Scratch out N, S, E, W
    3. Replace with (in same order) S, N, W, E
    4. Sell on eBay
    5. Profit!!!

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    1. Re:Business model by oever · · Score: 4, Funny

      I mean, you did get modded 4 for this, so, in real life, you would have been rich!

      Using "n) Profit!" in a post ensures an average mod up of 3.

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    2. Re:Business model by BadDoggie · · Score: 5, Funny
      Nothing much. What's SNEW with you?

      <duck>

      woof.

  12. Get real! by Fyz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First off: we are not all gonna die. It has been 800,000 years since the last time the poles flipped. At that time, our ancestors were walking around, munching on wooly mammoths an giant sloths, etc., armed with such amazing modern tech as sharpened flint and fire. If they can take it, so can we.

    Second, we have very little knowledge about how the poles are going to switch. There seems to be two options:
    1. The poles are going to disappear, then reappear on opposite sides of the planet.
    2. The poles will migrate over the face of the earth until they have effectively flipped over.

    However, as geophysics usually shows us, there is a third, and much more complicated option, that is more likely. Simply put, the poles will weaken, and then split up into smaller magnetic zones, which will then wander all over the surface in an extremely complicated manner, and then coalesce on the oppposite sides. If you think this is a crackpot idea, you should check out past issues of Nature.
    I'll also point out that no one really knows how the planet's magnetic field is generated. It is DEFINATELY not analogous to a regular bar magnet, because the core of the earth is much too hot to sustain magnetization of iron.

    1. Re:Get real! by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In many respects, a simpler culture is far more resilient than a complex one. Increasing the complexity is a bit like walking up a mountain - the safe area to walk on gets smaller the higher you go up. Consider the magnetic flip to be a huge hand reaching down and translocating you a distance horizontally... would you prefer to be higher up the mountain (wheeeeee.....ouch) or farther down ?

      In (slightly) more scientific terms, the advances we've made since those cavemen times are built on the premise of incremental change - we talk of "advances", ie: building on the past to get farther. Take away the foundations (communications is the major one, I guess, direction finding, etc.) and see how well everything that depends on them copes. Consider how an economy might react to (for example: the collapse of air traffic), and the subsequent secondary effects. None of this was even slightly worrying to the caveman, but our world is immensely dependent on excellent long-distance communications.

      Yes, we have a far and away more complex civilisation than a caveman ever dreamed of. This is a weakness, not a strength. The payoff comes from what we can do with that technology, but if you remove that, you end up with a lot of hungry people in a small space...

      I concur with the physics, btw, but you're really overestimating the resilience of our civilisation.

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    2. Re:Get real! by div_2n · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Direction finding is becoming more and more based on GPS than anything. GPS has nothing to do with the magnetic field. It disappearing wouldn't cause it to fail at all.

      The same goes for communications with the exception of possible solar flare interference periodically.

      It seems to me that while the pole disappearing/changing could cause significant change it isn't a showstopper for much of anything except the use of all current compasses and perhaps sunbathing.

    3. Re:Get real! by Fyz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course, this will all be complete speculation, since our civilization has never actually been put to "the test".
      Cavemen were subject to any number of extinction threats that we don't really worry much about in our society. We aren't really worried about regional drought, flooding, forest fires, disease, predators, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc. Maybe worried is not the right word, but we don't face extinction because of these things. Also, the rise of technology has put us in a place where we have a chance of survival in places undreamed of by cavemen.
      It's true what you say about a lot of hungry people in a small space, but in situations like that, a given population will max out at some saturation point where death- and birthrates even out.
      Anyway, I wasn't really talking about our civilization's survival chance, just that "THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!" is paranoia, since it 's happened about 2000 times since our prehistorical ancestors crawled from the ocean.

    4. Re:Get real! by elvum · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Direction finding is becoming more and more based on GPS than anything. GPS has nothing to do with the magnetic field. It disappearing wouldn't cause it to fail at all

      It's the earth's magnetic field that diverts the solar wind away from us. Without it, the GPS satellites would almost certainly be destroyed by the increase in ionising particle flux. Along with all the communications satellites.

    5. Re:Get real! by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I concur with the physics, btw, but you're really overestimating the resilience of our civilisation.

      For the record, I often think it a stretch to describe this mess as a 'civilization' anyway. But to address your point--I think that the problems caused by this occurrance will be alleviated somewhat by it's relatively slow onset. Sure, the poles flipping is a very rapid thing on geologic timescales, but we're still talking decades or more.

      Communications won't collapse--most long-haul lines are based around fibre now, which is essentially impervious to solar radiation. Satellites infrastructure might take a bit of a hit, but I don't see the iminent collapse of the GPS system. (Since the U.S. military really can't do without it, they'll find a way to keep it working. Kind of a hand-waving argument, but you can bet your ass that they'll get whatever appropriations they want from Congress.) Retaining GPS and transoceanic fibre will mean that international finance and trade will be pretty much unaffected.

      Climate change is a different beast altogether. Nobody knows exactly what form it will take, if it happens at all. The world already overproduces food--we just don't distribute it very well. I suspect that we will see exactly what we've seen for most of this century--the developed world will survive in relative comfort, while Third World nations willl starve.

      As to health effects--again, a big question mark. It depends on dose of solar radiation, but I'm heartened by the fact that these flips have happened fairly frequently without being accompanied by mass extinctions. Cancer rates will go up somewhat. Wealthy nations will probably develop preventive medicines to cut down on the effect.

      In short, day to day life probably won't be seriously affected for most people. We'll get some weird weather, and have to develop some interesting technological solutions in some areas, and--oh, yes--low lying cities may have to build dikes or be evacuated. But that's about it. Not the end of civilizaiton.

      Alternately, I advocate giving every person on earth a little bar magnet to carry around, along with detailed instructions as to how it ought to be oriented to maintain an artificial planetary magnetic field.

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    6. Re:Get real! by dattaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't the magnetic field also responsible for protecting us from cosmic radiation?

    7. Re:Get real! by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It still doesnt matter GPS navigation is for convience only. anyone needing to do absolute navigation still has several other forms that do not rely on any electronic device and one super accurate navigation system that doesnt care if the poles are north/south or even southwest and northeast. A sextant is a great device that can only be thwarted by stopping the rotation of the planet.

      if anyone thinks that modern civilization will instantly collapse by the loss of GPS.... ther are the same morons that believed that Y2K was something to actually worry about.

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    8. Re:Get real! by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      "First off: we are not all gonna die."

      I'm pretty sure we are, just not from magnetic pole shifting.

    9. Re:Get real! by deglr6328 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Communications won't collapse--most long-haul lines are based around fibre now, which is essentially impervious to solar radiation."

      It does not matter that the information itself is carried on light inside of fibers of glass. The signals inside the fiber can only travel ~100Km at the most before they need to be boosted again by an amplifier. This is done by doping a small section of the fiber with Erbium atoms and esentially making it lase(stimulated emission) by irradiating it with intense light from semiconductor lasers. There are common CONDUCTIVE cables cladding the main fiber line in a fiber optic cable that supply the amplifiers that are spread out all along the line with power to run. What happenes when huge lengths of conductive cable are immersed in a (potentially quickly) changing magnetic field? Thats right, gigantic currents are set up in the cable and can destroy any sensitive devices connected to it. Thereby rendering the fiber dark.

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    10. Re:Get real! by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Insightful
      A sextant is a great device that can only be thwarted by stopping the rotation of the planet.

      Or cloud cover...

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    11. Re:Get real! by scharkalvin · · Score: 3, Informative

      The atmosphere provides most of our protection from cosmic rays. The magnetic field does NOT protect at all over the poles which may explain the ozone holes the pop up from time to time. Yet there is little more cosmic radiation on the ground over the poles then anywhere else.

    12. Re:Get real! by bellings · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First off: we are not all gonna die.

      I'm pretty sure we are

      I won't

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    13. Re:Get real! by aminorex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > "THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!" is paranoia

      When you die, this world ends. Get real.
      Denying your own immanent death is a far less
      survivable delusion than the paranoia with which
      you smear your rhetorical opponents.

      Now in fact people live in the arctic where
      the field lines converge, so the notion that
      a collapse of the magnetic field would not
      be survivable is prima facie absurd, but that
      doesn't mean that *you* won't get killed by a
      cyclone that results from ionospheric overheating.

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  13. OK, so we're all doomed by forged · · Score: 5, Funny

    Then screw global warming. I'm buying that SUV :->

    1. Re:OK, so we're all doomed by TrevorB · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then screw global warming. I'm buying that SUV

      Yea, it will be the only thing powerful enough to carry all the lead shielding...

  14. Re:Umm by Blackneto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    150 years vs millions?
    Volcanic activity has fucked with the atmosphere of the planet more than man ever will.
    Add into that shit falling from space plus other natural phenomena and it makes our little bump in the road of existence pretty meaningless.

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  15. Rubbish by FrostedWheat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... Dr Paul Murdin, of the Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge. 'On Mars, when its magnetic field failed permanently billions of years ago, it led to its atmosphere being boiled off.'

    Whoa .. steady on there Dr.Murdin! That's quite a brave thing to say as if it's a fact. That's just on theory, and an interesting one to, but you cannot prove this yet. I'm sure there are lots of other reasons why Mars atmosphere is the way it is now.

    'On Earth, it will heat up the upper atmosphere and send ripples round the world with enormous, unpredictable effects on the climate.'

    Arh! I think it will make some lovely daytime aurora, and generally play havoc with electrical equipment.

    Mars is exposed to this kind of solar radiation, but it's atmosphere stays fairly chilly! The only solar radiation that seems to affect its temperature is the infra-red kind.

    I'm willing to bet this article is nothing more than pre-hype for the movie The Core.

  16. Re:..about time by cruachan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparently the effects have been looked for in the fossil record, and, perhaps suprisingly, there is absolutly no evidence of any impact whatsoever. There's no discernable increase in speciation (which would suggest no increase in mutation) or extinction rates.

    Presumably 'no magnetic field' recorded in the rocks actually means 'no single stable magnetic field'. Given discussions above about the mechanics of the actual flip I'd have thought it quite likely lots of small chaotic magnetic fields give adequate protection against any major catastophy

  17. Arrrgg... More Radiation.... by qwijibrumm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Insert joke about tinfoil hat here

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  18. Supposedly... by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to Sightings, it was to happen immediately due to something with planetary alignments -- though I know the last one was May 5, 2000 -- or some other cosmic phenomenon which would immediately accelerate the polar flip drastically.

    I really miss that show, though they still play re-runs. I used to sit in front of the TV with a tinfoil hat on.

  19. A lot of people don't grow food and they survive by DrSkwid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but take away their infrastructure and they will start struggling.

    Take a look at the early Industrial Revolution Cities in England. So overcrowded a plan was needed.
    The solution : criminalisation of poverty. That way the poor could be killed or transported.

    The sudden loss of computing would be totally devastating in the short term. And for mnay of us that could be as long as we live.

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  20. Re:The HAB Theory by SQL+Error · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's just dumb.

    The Earth's magnetic field is well known to wander about. Apart from the fact that Magnetic North is currently moving at a measurable speed, lines of aligned particles of iron in rock strata show a clear history of magnetic pole reversals.

    The Earth's axis of rotation, on the other hand, is about as fixed as anything can be. The angular momentum of the rotating Earth is huge; you'd need an equally huge external force to shift it. The Earth's magnetic field is puny in comparison, and can't affect rotation in this way.

    Apart from the fact this this "theory" contravenes the laws of Physics, there is no geological evidence to support this (frozen mammoths don't count!) and huge amounts of evidence to counter it. All the recent ice ages occured in the (current) north and south latitudes, for example. There are no signs of the sea inundating the land for thousands of miles, which is what would ensue in such a disaster. Plus, there are fragile stalactites that have formed over many thousands of years, and which would shatter if something this dramatic had ever happened - but which are perfectly intact.

  21. when you fit fit your data to a line... by drew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    be sure to use only two data points.

    according to another article that somebody else linked above, (here) this conclusion isn't based on an ongoing survey of the earth's magnetic field over the last 20 years (as implied by the observer article), but rather on the comparison of current data to a single set of data taken 20 years ago:

    But Ørsted is the first satellite to take a snapshot of the Earth's magnetic field for 20 years, and such scant data makes it difficult to predict future shifts.

    so while this may make a great shock news story (or hollywood movie plot) it hardly seems like anything approaching significant scientific research worth getting particularly alarmed about.

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  22. This is all because of the US elections by Allen+Varney · · Score: 4, Funny

    [TROLL]

    Vote a Republican administration into power, and the next thing you know, the magnetic field is gone.

    [/TROLL]

    1. Re:This is all because of the US elections by night_flyer · · Score: 4, Funny

      [TROLL]

      Quit blaming the Republicans, this all started when Clinton was in office.

      [/TROLL]

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    2. Re:This is all because of the US elections by flabbergasted · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Earth's magnetic field is being temporarily withdrawn while a new business model is developed. Free access to the magnetic field was always a weak business model, and in today's economy is no longer tenable. Once a method for allowing metered access is developed, the magnetic field will be restored.

  23. It's not all bad by p3d0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On the bright side, if the poles flip, Earth's north pole will actually be a magnetic north.

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  24. About the Reversal, and magnetosphere...... by danalien · · Score: 3, Informative

    Can this explain it?:

    "A planet's magnetosphere is provided through its magnetic field. To create a magnetic field, a planet or moon must have magnetic material such has iron, which is warm enough to move around to form currents within the planet."

    And isn't earth(s core) cooling down? - Can't this affect our magnetosphere? If the magnetic materail stop flowing?


    My imaginary plot (IMHO):

    Now I'm thinging that when earth switched poles, the core coold down, reversal happened, sometime after that earth got hit by a large enough meteor to restart our core (how elese could the core be restarted? there wasn't atomic weapons and the like back in those days, no! Good ol' fashion meteors had to suffice : )). Then earth keept it's (reverse) position till it coold down again, and re-reversed itself again. Sometime after, BAda'BOOM eine large enough meteor struck again, restarted our engine, and we keept on ticking.... untill soon enough (if we think 1000 year or more is soon..) when our core will stop flowing.

    Can someone please look up how long ago earth was struck by a large enough meteor to turn earth in to a giant blob of lava? : )
    I put my money on lets say 780 000 to one millon years ago :) (when the last revelsal was presumed to have happened.)


    Earth cooling down:

    Here's the tricky part; How much must the earth's core cool down for reversal to happen? Because for it to cool down entirilely it will take more than 1000 years.


    Reference:
    http://www.seismo.unr.edu/ftp/pub/louie/class/100/ interior.html
    http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/earth/moon/ moon_magnetic_field.html&edu=high
    http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/physical_sc ience/magnetism/magnetic_materials.html&edu=hi gh
    http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns999 92152
    http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,69 03,837058,00.html

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  25. Re:Newsflash: by Shanep · · Score: 5, Informative

    You think that we can pull a scam on businesses similiar to Y2K?

    The Y2K bug was not a scam. However it was exploited and hyped by scammers.

    I was working for a company in 1996 whose business critical systems running on big VAXen were demostratable to fail on the development machines when the clock was wound forward. They were working on the bugs for years.

    And there WERE some Y2K failures. Few enough though, for people to beleive it was a hoax, but this is because most systems were fixed! If nothing were done, many things would have failed with varying degrees.

    If nothing had been done, it would not have been hype at all.

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  26. Re:Business model - the MS bug by DrainBead · · Score: 5, Funny
    Or how about this:-

    Consultant: The MS bug (Magnetic Shift bug) is like the classic Y2K bug.

    Businessman: What's that?

    Consultant: It involved a near global catastrophy which occured aroung the 19th century. Only the speedy responce by excellent programmers saved civilisation.

    Businessman: How does this affect me?

    Consultant: You need a team of 25 programmers, at least, to write bug fixes for the software in your toaster so that it can cope with the reversal of the magentic field.

    Businessman: But I thought the toaster is AI and can learn these things?

    Consultant: Trust me - your toaster needs this because...

    Businessman: OK, OK -sigh-, spare me the details... how much?

    Consultant: -rubbing hands- Well...

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  27. Source of the magnetic field. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll also point out that no one really knows how the planet's magnetic field is generated.

    Sure we do. It's from dynamo currents caused by convection in the (liquid) outer core.

    Magnetic field flips happen when turbulence grows enough to disrupt these patterns briefly.

    This is why Jupiter has a much stronger magnetic field than Earth (huge liquid metallic hydrogen layer, and a very powerful internal heat source), and why the moon has almost no magnetic field (no liquid core; the only field is the one that was "frozen in" when the moon first cooled).

  28. Four words by robian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Beam me up, Scottie.

  29. Imposing our own field. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For a lark, I did the calculations for artificially imposing a magnetic field if the Earth ever lost its own.

    It turns out to be feasible even today, though horribly, horribly expensive. You'd build a mesh of copper cables around the equator (or superconducting, but copper's losses aren't that bad for this). Then you'd slowly ramp up the current until you have a magnetic field comparable in strength to today's.

    Ramping up would be slow because of inductive power storage. The current loop and associated magnetic field store a *vast* amount of energy, all of which needs to be provided in order to bring the field up to strength. The present power output of all electrical plants on the planet over a decade or so would do it, if I remember correctly, so this is feasible. The power cost to maintain the field, even with copper cables, is much lower; put, say, a 10% tax on electricity, and you've paid for the extra plants to feed the mesh.

    You'd use a mesh instead of a single cable _because_ of the amount of stored energy. If you break the current path of an inductor, current flows anyways, arcing across the gap. This only dies down as resistive losses across the gap dissipate the power stored in the inductor. Think about this - all of the inductor's stored power is dissipated in one place (the break), and we're storing an awfully large amount of power in this current loop. If the loop was a single cable and this cable was broken, you'd get something in the range of a 10-gigaton yield at the point of breakage. A mesh provides many alternate current paths, so breaks from sabotage or just plain wear can be repaired safely (as long as you overspec the current rating enough to allow the other paths to safely take up the load).

    A copper cable a hundred metres wide, or ten thousand one-metre cables, would do the trick. You might _have_ to use copper, too; even if you spread the cables out to make a more uniform field near the Earth's surface, field strength near each wire would be much greater than the breakdown point of most superconductors.

    We'd probably never bother doing this, but it's a fun thought experiment :).

    1. Re:Imposing our own field. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      just out ouf curiosity, did you bother to calculate just how much raw copper you'd need to make ten thousand one-meter cables each long enough to circle the earth's equator?

      *pulls out calculator* About four trillion metric tonnes, give or take a factor of four or so. If you're using aluminum, divide by about a factor of two (it's a third the density, but slightly more resistive).

      and if you did, how does that compare to the amount of copper mined in the world every year? or even the entire amount of available copper in the world?

      The amount available is obscenely large - you'd just have to strip-mine the faces of all continents to get at it.

      Annual production of copper is around 16 Mt. Annual production of aluminum, which is probably more abundant given that the crust is aluminosilicates, is 26 Mt.

      If we needed to build the cable badly enough to invest the effort, we'd vastly increase production (probably of aluminum, again because it's common). Assuming that we have enough bauxite strip mines and smelters to make power the limiting production factor, we'd produce about 0.1 Mt per second using the amount of power we'd devote to powering up the loop. It would take us about 5-10 years to produce the required quantity, not counting the time required to build smelters next to all of the power plants, railways for transport, and so forth (though some of the transport work has already been done, at coal-fuelled plants, at least).

      It's not something that's _likely_ to be done, but it's _possible_ to do with the world's current industrial capability. Which is what makes it a fun thought-experiment.

      oh, and by the way, given the amount of force that woukd be required to cut or break a hundred meter copper cable in the first place, i dont think the 10-gigaton or so discharge that results would be all that much more destructive.

      It would, by about a factor of at least a hundred million.

      How much dynamite does it take to turn a city block full of office buildings into a hundred-metre crater? That's about the level of force involved (maybe add a factor of 100 for the added weight and strength).

    2. Re:Imposing our own field. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please provide numbers and formulas backing up your argumentation. I am very doubtfull.

      Consider this construct to be similar in characteristics to a solenoid of radius 6.5e6 metres and length, oh, 4e6 metres. Because length is not substantially larger than radius, we can't just use the solenoid field equation, as field strength outside the solenoid would not be zero. But, if we assume the effective path for integration at the average field strength is a circle, we get about 4e7 metres. Let's be pessimistic and say 1e8 metres.

      This gives:

      B = 1.26e-6 * I / 1e8

      Substituting in B = 1e-4 T (stronger than Earth's current magnetic field), we solve to get:

      I = 8e9

      So we need a sheet current on the order of 10 billion amperes in the solenoid (divide by the number of windings or mesh cables to get the current in one mesh cable).

      The copper cable supplying power to your house has a rated current density of about 100 amperes per square centimetre of cross-sectional area. This is both using air cooling and adding a substantial safety factor. Using the same numbers, we get about 1e6 A/m^2 carrying capacity, giving us a cable of 1e4 m^2 cross-section (100m x 100m) required to carry *all* of the solenoid's sheet current. Parcel this out in smaller cables as you see fit.

      Let's sanity check the cable numbers. Copper has a resistivity of 1.7e-8 ohm*m at 20 degrees C. A cable 4e7 metres long with cross-section 1e4 m^2 has a resistance of 1.7e-8 * 4e7 / 1e4 = about 7e-5 ohms. At 1e10 amperes, this gives a power dissipation of about 7e15 W. ...So we in fact need a thicker cable, or a smaller current (weaker field), either one by a factor of about 30, if we only have 10 TW of available power. If we decide to use a superconducting cable, of course, we have no resistive power losses; we just have to make sure the field strength near any of the cables is less than about 1 T (for LN2-cooled superconductors) or 10 T (for LHe-cooled superconductors). A superconducting cable is much more expensive than a copper cable, but much less cabling is required. Alternatively, we could build more power plants, but building more cabling is almost certainly cheaper.

      To calculate energy stored, we need the inductance of the solenoid:

      L = mu0 * A / length (1 winding)

      A loop with radius 6.5e6 metres has an area of about 1.27e14 square metres. Therefore:

      L = 1.26e-6 * 1.27e14 / 1e8
      L = about 1.6 H

      Stored energy is therefore:

      E = 0.5 * 1.6 H * (1e10 A)^2
      E = 8e19 J

      Assuming 10 TW as our rate of energy transfer to the magnet, we need 8e6 seconds to charge the solenoid, or about 14 weeks. If our power supply is more modest (or if resistive losses are substantial), charging time is longer. However, it would still be accomplished within the span of a few years even in the worst case.

      In summary, building and powering up the device is possible, though superconducting cables would make the construction much easier. As per my previous messages, you can certainly smelt enough aluminum for a resistive cable within a reasonable length of time. Producing the required amounts of high-temperature superconductor for a liquid nitrogen cooled cable is open to question. An ordinary metal cable could be made to superconduct at liquid helium temperatures, but maintaining the liquid helium envelope would consume a substantial amount of power (liquid nitrogen is much easier to make). Both methods use off-the-shelf technology that's already widely used in industry (LN2 for power transfer cables, LHe for magnets in MRI machines and particle accelerators).

      Also, you would need to take into account the fact that the melted iron current in the earth's core would react to this field. Or, seen otherwise, if the pole were to flip, they'd rip appart you little wire around the equator in no time.

      The solenoid described above actually stores more energy than the Earth's magnetic field does in *total*. If the entire core decided to do a back flip, the solenoid could take it. In practice, core disturbances are almost certainly much smaller - the core's field represents the balance point where power input matches resistive and other losses within the dynamo. The core's heat source doesn't have the ability to change the dynamo's state very quickly (field flips take thousands of years).

      Satisfied now? It's easy enough to check my numbers.

  30. Re:..about time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I agree, however, playing devils advocate,
    i've heard it stated that the black plague that
    swept Europe and eliminated a sizable portion
    of the population would be invisible in the
    fossil record. So...perhaps during the shifts
    things significantly sucked at the level of the
    individual, but not enough to make a fossil
    impact. If I had to bet though I'd go with the
    no impact outcome.

  31. Missed the quote by BubbaHokey · · Score: 4, Funny

    The article actually says "could disappear over the next 1,000 years" This could be interperted as it will disappear and be gone for the next 1,000 years OR as it will slowly dissapate over the next 1,000 years. After reading the article the quotes "...show some can last for thousands of years" and "... have lasted only a few weeks" lead me to believe that they believe that IT could happen any time and last 1,000 years with no protection. I wonder how my great childern will look as morlocks?

  32. Magneto Did This Years Ago by grendelkhan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Back in the Claremont/Byrne/Austin days, we survived that, we'll survive this.

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  33. FAQ: Magnetic Reversals by loz · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/earthmag/magnQ&A1.htm#q6

    with the Holywood garbage left out.

    loz

  34. 20 Ways the World Could End by MicroBerto · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Read #6 on this article... An all-around cool article, even if maybe a switch doesn't do anything too harmful

    This kinda freaks me out though..

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  35. Haven't we seen this movie? by Aquitaine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Synopsis:

    EARTH IS DOOMED!

    Solution:

    President (played by Morgan Freeman) meets with Special Emergency Response Team, discovers that all primary systems designed to prevent the Destruction of Earth are useless because they were all designed to shoot down missiles from Korea and China. Cabinet advisor recalls a brilliant, 'loose cannon' scientist/oil rig captain/handsome hollywood actor who 'just might be able to save us.'

    Handsome actor collects racially-diverse crew including both genders and several archetypes. They build a giant drill, which breaks at the last minute. Handsome actor has flashback to childhood, when he accidentally made a sinkhole in the beach with a toy shovel and is able to dig the remaining 10 miles with his fingernails and teeth.

    Team plants Nuclear Device Designed to Save Us All From Certain Death and detonates it, but of course it just makes things worse. Handsome actor inserts wrench into Earth's core, solving the problem, and then dies of radiation poisoning after making love to the attractive, sweedish scientist whose role (other than that) in the movie is as vague as her scientific credentials.

    That's just my idea, though. I'm sure theirs will be totally different!

  36. bah! by jafac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If this has happened every 250,000 years, it's obviously not a threat to the existence of life on this planet.

    Apparently this article is a flare, to get the public thinking about magnetic field reversal, to hype the upcoming disaster-movie The Core. Expect this story to appear on CNN soon.

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  37. Reality and fantasy by tomem · · Score: 5, Informative

    This effect is real and well-known, but consequences are just beginning to be studied. It will be, after all, the first reversal during human history (self-written, at least). The field magnitude is believed to have dropped about a factor of two since biblical times, based on records of auroral observations, so it appears to be well under way at present. I don't have a handy reference, but I believe there was an article this past year in the Eos Transactions of the American Geophysical Union ( a weekly newsletter that can be found in most technical libraries).

    Some cynical views are expressed here, but it does seem prudent to investigate what our current knowledge would actually predict for effects. One thing sure is that the solar wind is not powerful enough to carry off a significant amount of atmosphere during the short duration (on a geologic time scale) of a reversal. But there may be many other effects, including disturbances of the upper atmosphere, possibly the ozone layer.

    To counterbalance the claims about Mars, it's important to note that Venus has no magnetic field at all, but has retained a very dense atmosphere. On the other hand there is almost no water present (left?) in the Venusian atmosphere.

    It does take human effort (i.e. funding) to look at these things seriously rather than speculatively.

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  38. Nemesis by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a sign of what is to come in the future - there will be magnetic pole shifts, earth axis will decline due to precession, weather changes, and to top all of this - the Sun will blow up in 4-5 billion years from now. So, shouldn't we start doing what is really important - just like in Ring World (Larry Niven) and Nemesis (Isaac Asimov), lets develop technology to move this planet around space, but we'll need really good working fusion power-plants to be constant source of energy and we'll need some sort of propulsion to move so much mass. Of-course Asimov's Nemesis shows that the best course of actions is to build huge space stations and move all folks up there, using the planets only as space anchors. These space stations will have to be able to survive any radiation, so they should be protected by artifficial magnetic fields. For now, let's just build a system of huge satellites around this planet that will serve as a radiation shield from the sun.

  39. Another academical BS by Ektanoor · · Score: 4, Informative

    We have just seen on /. some story about academical rubbish in the field of Physics. Now we read another bigger rubbish about Earth's magnetic poles. Yes, "bigger" because a Big Bang hoax theory may be still "speculative" as Big Bang itself is still a Big Question. Now that Earth will boil or that migrating birds will get disoriented is pure bullshit as there are tons of facts to show its fallacy. Let me note a few:

    The geological record shows lots of inversions occuring during Earth's History. But we are still alive don't we?

    For those who studied Mars, well studied it, know that Martian Oceans didn't boil up in a very very old past. Whatever happened there, created a global and massive movement of the hydrosphere some billion years after Mars was formed. I don't see how a magnetic pole inversion would help creating 1km deep canyons in a matter of hours or days. It is very probable that this happened long after the Martian Magnetic Pole turned off.

    If anyone cares to look at the Atlantic migrating birds, then he will note that some use both America and Africa to their travel North-South. Before Challenger's expedition (the ship, not the shuttle), people considered this as one of the evidences that these continents were much closer together in the past, as the zigzag pattern of migration turned into a nearly straight line.

    Some birds may highly depend on the magnetic field to travel. But birds have been travelling around earth for a period much longer than most modern mammals (note: marsupials and placentarians are very recent additions to Earth's biota). Have we seen major extinctions of birds during Earth's magnetic flip-flops?

    As far as I know, the Atlantic had plenty of water since Jurassic times. Challenger's expedition made several analysis of the magnetic properties of the bottom of the Atlantic. It showed a surface where the magnetic field changed direction sequently during the several millions of years, since Atlantic was formed.

    There is a theory that claims that for some millions of years, Earth had no magnetic field - during the megafrost that happened between Archaic and Cambric. I don't know if this is correct but, if so, it seems that Life lived and passed well enough this terrible period.

    Well, probably, any pole flip-flop may have its consequences on Earth and its inhabitants. But claiming it as the End of the World is the purest BS. This is Bad Science(TM) that many academics love to drop out over the masses. On one side they love to consider themselves as The Temple of Knowledge and save it from hoaxers, marginals, dissidents and heretics. On the other side they play no better than those clerics in Middle Ages, that at every sighting of a comet would cry over the crows "Armageddon! Armageddon is coming". Time to get more serious and sobber.

  40. the article is a hollywood advertisement! by pezpunk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    this seriously stinks of hollywood making up news as a blockbuster is about to be released. they did it before with all those asteroid movies and then again with all those mars movies a few years ago.

    from the article:
    Paramount's latest sci-fi thriller, The Core - directed by Englishman Jon Amiel, and starring Hilary Swank and Aaron Eckhart - depicts a world beset by just such a polar reversal, with radiation sweeping the planet.

    wtf??

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  41. With apologies to Mike Myers... by schlach · · Score: 5, Funny


    "So you see, Mr. Bigglesworth, I didn't want to destroy the entire frickin' world, but those Linux geeks really left me no choice. Reversing the earth's magnetic polarity was the only way it could be done without violating the DoJ consent agreement."

    "Let's see...Start...Programs...World Control Devices...Disasters...Microsoft...where the hell..?"

    "You seem to be trying to destroy the world. Would you like some help with that?"

    "Clippy! Oh thank god. Begin 'Gates-Plan-B'. So long, Mr. Stallman. I hope there's a GNU version of 'Microsoft 1000-year Radiation Shield .NET'.

    *maniacal laughter*

  42. YEAH, yeah, yeah. Whatever. by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 4, Funny



    "You Global Warmer Nutties. I'll stick with our energy company President and his opinions, after all, he's been good so far. Where is the evidence that the world is warming up because of mankind!?! SHOW ME!"

    "AIIIIEEEEE!!!" (SUDDENLY CRUSHED UNDER TONS OF RESEARCH PAPERWORK GETTING DROPPED DIRECTLY ON TOP OF HIM)

  43. It IS possible... by bhsx · · Score: 3, Informative

    From Frazier's Bad Coriolis...
    Is it possible to detect the Earth's rotation in a draining sink?

    Yes, but it is very difficult. Because the Coriolis force is so small, one must go to extraordinary lengths to detect it. But, it has been done. You cannot use an ordinary sink for it lacks the requisite circular symmetry: its oval shape and off-center drain render any results suspect. Those who have succeeded used a smooth pan of about one meter in diameter with a very small hole in the center. A stopper (which could be removed from below so as to not introduce any spurious motion) blocked the hole while the pan was being filled with water. The water was then allowed to sit undisturbed for perhaps a week to let all of the motion die out which was introduced during filling. Then, the stopper was removed (from below). Because the hole was very small, the pan drained slowly indeed. This was necessary, because it takes hours before the tiny Coriolis force could develop sufficient deviation in the draining water for it to produce a circular flow. With these procedures, it was found that the rotation was always cyclonic.
    Taken from www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html

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  44. Everything you know is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
    Just bear with me for a minute...this will sound totally stupid:

    The shift in the magnetic fields is being artifically sped up by a secret operation by the united states government. They are forcing the shift through an artificial process being carried out in the Aleutian Islands off the coast of Alaska. I do not know the technical details, but they are using some type of equipment to send waves into the core of the earth.

    This is not some joke or troll post. Clearly you don't believe me, partially because I am posting as AC and for the fact that it sounds totally outrageous, and I clearly will be modded down. But I am posting this anyway so that history will show that someone did know about this while it was happenning.

  45. Reversals may only take weeks/months by CecilSagehen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The conventional wisdom is that the actual reversal takes centuries, but some new evidence has geologists wondering if it can happen much more quickly, like weeks. We see old magnetic fields frozen in cooled lava, sometimes pointing north, sometimes south. In the last few years, while studying a ~10 million year old basalt flow in the Steens Mountain, Oregon, researchers think they have found a flow that solidified while a reversal was taking place. The bottom portion of the flow points one way, then the orientation gradually changes until the top (middle? -- last to cool) points the other way. We have a pretty good handle on how fast lava cools, and that whole event should only have lasted several weeks. Hard to believe but no one has come up with a great alternative explanation yet. So just may happen VERY quickly when it hits the tipping point. Yet another reason to ask for a GPS for Christmas!

  46. We may not die but... by MarvinMouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Our technology will have to undergo a severe shift.

    I am surprised no one has commented on the fact that the magnetic fields around earth protect the Earth from radiation that _damages_ electronics. When the sun has a solar flare, satellites are knocked out by the radiation. The only reason computers on the planet aren't is because the magnetic fields deflect enough of the radiation to make it harmless to electronics.

    Yet, if we don't have a magnetic field to deflect the radiation, we end up with a completely different problem. A solar flare will likely be able to take out a majority of our satellites at first (if they aren't shielded, which most aren't to the degree needed.) Then with no field at all, the electronics on the planet are threatened by the radiation.

    Likely very little will happen to us (considering it's just EM radiation mostly, and not radioactive isotopes.) But, There will definitely be a shift in computer construction towards better shielded designs. (because if there isn't, then... well, there won't be any computers working at all.)

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  47. Newsflashes! by SEWilco · · Score: 3, Funny
    In related news, early trading in overseas markets shows the stock prices of map and textbook publishers have risen, while investors seem to have less trust in compass manufacturers. As paper and human skin can stop some types of radiation, the value of paper manufacturers and cloning companies also rose. Unemployment rates decreased due to a sudden increase in people applying to work in mining industries, bowling alleys, and within the shielding of the world's nuclear plants.

    Environmentalists point out that the weakening magnetic field and atmospheric heating over the past 200 years coincide with, and is obviously caused by, an increase in evil industrialism. Protest marches are planned from New York south to Washington DC, then south to New York.

    California legislators met in emergency session today and passed new automobile magnetic emission legislation. The magnetic fields of automobiles are now required to be aligned with the Earth's magnetic field and of opposite polarity so as to stress the existing magnetic generator to stay in the present configuration. Experts estimate it will only cost $200 per car and safety is worth the investment.

    Australia celebrated for one hour, then began studying how to make use of their new domination of the highly successful Northern Hemisphere. Chinese leaders met to consider what to ignore next.

    In medical news, herbal supplement manufacturers point out that natural iron supplements contain particles which experienced past natural reversals, and thus will train your body to help it deal with future changes.

    Entertainers point out that they've been working for decades under hot, bright, lights and filming around the world until they don't know which way is up. This hasn't changed them in the least, and they're still just ordinary human beings like you or me, stated a spokesperson for Gardeners To The Stars, makers of fine gardening products just like the assistants to the gardeners of the Stars use but available at quality discount stores near you.

    Tomorrow's weather forecast is for increasing temperatures to one-hundredth of a degree higher than yesterday. A gentle wind from the sunrise direction will change to stronger gusty winds from sunriseport, and chance of scattered thunderstorm shields in the area. As always, when a thunderstorm is within view with the sun behind it, take the kids outside to play in natural air and rain until the storm has passed and it is time to seal the house up again.

    In sports news: The World Championship of Bowling in Cleveland today was won by a newcomer from Kenya for the third year in a row. He believes his country has produces so many winners because their bowling alley construction program placed them deeper than other countries did. Sources say that oxygen enrichment of some national bowling training facilities is widely rumored but not yet proven.

    Our next update will be in three hours, when your sundial is a the midpoint. You should turn off your generator until then and set your laser receiver in standby mode.

    This has been a Coherent News Network production, the fastest news ever bounced off the fluorescent sky.

  48. Vesilind's Laws of Experimentation: by bopo · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. If reproducibility may be a problem, conduct the test only once.
    2. If a straight line fit is required, obtain only two data points.

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    "Understand you're having a little Jimmy Page trouble."
  49. Re:Double Nope by FirstOne · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "A thatched roof is going to catch quite a few UV rays too. You're pretty much buggered either way on the whole "x-ray/gama-ray" end of things, but corrogated (SP?) aluminum isn't that hard to come by, even in some third world country. And I'd be suprised if there weren't some relatively common primitive building material that would work. Adobe maybe? You know, mud."

    I wouldn't worry.

    Earth's magnetic fields do not absorb ionized radiation. They deflect it, to the magnetic poles. I.E. Same amount of energy hitting the planet all the time. In today's world, most of the ionized particles are deflected and concentrated to the polar regions. Net effect of a polar shift, atmosphere stays the same size. If anything earth's magnetic fields act like a giant vacuum cleaner, sucking up charged particles from 5 to 10 times the earths diameter. If the field goes away, no more vacuum cleaner effect, which results in LESS ionized particles hitting earth. (Global cooling, perhaps???)

    We've had radar stations and plenty of other sensitive electronics in the polar regions for a long time. Even at concentrated radiation levels, most of it still doesn't get through our atmosphere (14.7PSI). 14.7 PSI is roughly equivilent to a 32 foot/~10 meter column of water. Plenty of shielding.

  50. Re:does that word mean what you think it means? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have to wonder what definition of "feasible" you're using that includes a project requiring "the present power output of all electrical plants on the planet over a decade" and more copper cable than has ever existed.

    Something that we could conceivably do within 50 years if we decided we really wanted to (along the lines of the Manhattan Project).

    As opposed to, say, building a Dyson Sphere or some other project that requires either vastly more resources than are available, or materials that we have no idea to produce.

  51. Let's be realistic by linux2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...and could disappear over the next 1,000 years.

    Exactly what will happen when Earth's magnetic field disappears ... is also difficult to assess. Compasses would point to the wrong pole - a minor inconvenience.

    Not my compass! My compass is made of metal and plastic; it will long since have biodegraded 1,000 years from now. Why would people in the year 3000 still be making compasses exactly the way we do today?
    More importantly, low-orbiting satellites would be exposed to electromagnetic batterings, wrecking them.
    You mean today's low-orbiting satellites? Do you really think they have enough fuel to maintain orbit-path error correction for the next 1,000 years? All the satellites we have today will be gone by then! Humanity will have replaced them with far cooler technology that we cannot even dream of today.
    In addition, many species of migrating animals and birds - from swallows to wildebeests - rely on innate abilities to track Earth's magnetic field. Their fates are impossible to gauge.
    Oh my God! Since the animals will be exactly the way they are today 1,000 years from now, they are doomed! Since animals can never adapt to their natural environment generation after generation. At the very least, adaptation takes time, and animals only have 1,000 years to do it! This is horrible!

    Time now for some math.

    Suppose a swallow is born 500 years from now. It's life span is what, 2-3 years? At the beginning of its life, the earth's magnetic strength is 0.5 as strong as it is today (500 years left/1000). By the end of the swallow's life it is 0.497 as strong (497 years left/1000), for a 0.6% change in magnetic field strength during the course of it's entire life. Less than one percent! Yeah, I think a swallow can deal with that.

    If you are born with something (sound, energy, happiness, whatever) that is weaker than it was 1000 years ago, you do not even notice. It's that way all your life, and you cope with it. You never even consider it.

  52. CO2 emissions from fossil fuel more than volcanoes by js7a · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Volcanic activity has fucked with the atmosphere of the planet more than man ever will.

    Wrong.

  53. So much for Boy Scouts by Thurn+und+Taxis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Guess it's time to burn my orienteering merit badge.

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  54. Re:Wouldn't surprise me to find this is so by PsykhoKiwi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First comment:

    There is no real benefit to which way the poles point, the only thing it would do would mean that everyone had to buy or reconfigure their compasses...hmm maybe I've stumbled on to something. Who'd have suspected the quiet compass industry of something so evil :0)

    Second comment:
    With regards to the frequency of the Earth, the Earth as a whole will have no resonant frequency because it is made up of different sections all of inconsistant phyiscal materials. For a whole object to have a single resonant frequency it must be the same material throughout. You could possibly get a resonant frequency that would shatter parts of the Earth's crust but the impact would be limited through the existance of unconformities, folding and the huge varieties of rocks that make up the crust.
    So the comment you should have made is that every substance has a specific resonant frequency.

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  55. There were people executed - but for theft by DrSkwid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here in Nottingham if you stole more then the value of a loaf of bread you were hung on the courthouse steps (the fittings for the gallows are still there).

    Less than that and you were transported.

    The courthouse is a museum now.

    Admittedly the law wasn't created to specifically deal with the poor but their lives were held in contempt. TBH if you survived the journey and lived out your sentence you probably ended up better off than back in Nottingham but still, not everyone did.

    Whatever you want to call it, it was akin to genocide / slavery and it's a great injustice to those unfortunates and their antipodean descendents to be branded as criminals rather than victims.

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