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Newton's "Principia" stolen

Silverleaf writes "O2 have a story on the theft of Isaac Newton's revolutionary "Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica" from a Russian museum. For the non-physicists among you, Newton first published his famed three laws of motion and his law of universal gravitation in "Principia" in 1687. I'm surprised this theft hasn't attracted more attention in the mainstream media, since "Principia" is generally considered the most important scientific works in history."

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  1. It's ok... by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have that in paperback. They can have mine.

    1. Re:It's ok... by spongman · · Score: 2, Troll

      I've read it, and I have to say it makes for a pretty frustrating read. He spends pages upon pages basically reinventing calculus in the context of each problem. You'll probably spend most of the book wondering why he didn't just listen to leibnitz in the first place. He probably would have saved himself a whole lot of time (and ink).

    2. Re:It's ok... by spongman · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd recommend the first one (the blue one). The attention to detail wrt. the translation is amazing.

    3. Re:It's ok... by canadian_right · · Score: 5, Informative

      He didn't listen to Leibnitz beause he was an egostical maniac, as well as a genuis. Newton independantly invented much of calculus at the same time as Liebnitz, but he did his darnedest to get all the credit. Calculus was a shiny new thing, so it made sense to explain it in his book.

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    4. Re:It's ok... by canadian_right · · Score: 5, Informative

      More info on the Newton / Leibniz battle:
      Newton vs Leibniz

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    5. Re:It's ok... by rgmoore · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's an obvious reason why he did this: none of his readers could be expected to know calculus. It had, after all, just been invented, or was still in the process of being invented. If he wanted people to understand the concepts, he either had to teach them the math or figure out a way of presenting it convincingly without the reader needing to know calculus. Neither one is an easy prospect. I haven't read Principia myself, but I remember a physics prof mentioning that in some cases he deliberately avoided using calculus because he thought that his demonstrations would be more likely to convince people if they didn't use all that new fangled math, and it wound up being vastly more complicated as a result.

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    6. Re:It's ok... by WatertonMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Which translation did you read? There is one that is accompanied by a very good physics commentary that discusses the theorems and proof as well as contrasting the methods with modern physics. Unfortuantely I lost mine and can't for the life of me remember who the translator was. None of the versions I've seen at Barnes and Nobel or Borders are the one I had. Anyway, Leibniz rules for many reasons, not the least of which is his version of the calculus. The Monadology is a pretty interesting read as well. Even if I don't buy it.

    7. Re:It's ok... by Quirk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Leibnitz was caricatured as Dr. Pangloss by Voltaire. Dr. Pangloss believed this was the best of all possible worlds and everything happened for the best. Leibnitz only published his lesser works because he sought the approbation of princes and the court. It wasn't till B. Russell unearthed some of Leibnitz's letters and more recondite works that the world came to be better equated with the logical genius of the man. My favorite idea from Leibnitz is the Characteristica Universalis wherein he proposed a sort of calculus cum esperanto which he thought would allow all issues to be made amenable to purely logical resolution. He suggested metaphysical issues could be resolved by persons taking out their pencils (or quills) and sitting down like accountants. "Gentlemen let us calculate" was his battle cry. You can begin to see why Russell, who along with Whitehead authored Principia Mathematica in an effort to base logic in arithmetic, would think Leibnitz to be the supreme logical mind of all time.

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    8. Re:It's ok... by mwheeler01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's ok because Newton stole most of his material anyways

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    9. Re:It's ok... by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 2

      Anyone read this? I assume it's pretty unreadable. I tried reading a translated copy of Euclid's The Elements and was pretty dissapointed -- sure, it had good stuff in it, but it just wasn't a very interesting read.

    10. Re:It's ok... by Syre · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can read it here.

    11. Re:It's ok... by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...Barnes and Nobel...

      Ahem. I assume that is the scientific division of Barnes and Noble? :-)

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    12. Re:It's ok... by Fesh · · Score: 2

      Heh. I've never actually seen the movie. I'd have assumed it had something to do with The Stand. 'Course, the only reason I make that connection is that I caught the last episode of the miniseries they made... I once tried to read the book and got as far as the second chapter before giving up on it.

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    13. Re:It's ok... by Jagasian · · Score: 2

      GEB isn't the best source for learning about Godel's incompleteness theorem. I suggest Kleene's "Introduction to Metamathematics", which is a real math book written by a real mathematician. Kleene's book talks about all of the popular applications of diagonalization, from Cantor to Godel to Church and Turing.

      The important distinction that most people don't get when they learn Godel's incompleteness theorem is that it only proves that FORMAL mathematics is incompete. In another type of mathematics known as Intuitionism, Godel's incompleteness theorem doesn't even apply.

    14. Re:It's ok... by CanadaDave · · Score: 2

      Redundant my ass. That's bull-shit. 10 minutes after original posting.

    15. Re:It's ok... by CanadaDave · · Score: 2

      And isn't it surprising that a redundant post could generate so many replies... The meta-moderators will get you. mwa, ha, ha

    16. Re:It's ok... by HiThere · · Score: 2

      And that's why multiple copies are so important. Practical users don't care about the original. They don't even care much about the original text (except as historians). There are lots of paraphrases and imporved explanations of everything that Newton discovered.

      And that's why the DMCA is so bad. Well, the most important reason. Many of the more famous works of literature have passed through a bottleneck, where there were only a few copies remaining. The DMCA practically mandates expiring references and works of literature. (If the publisher creates an expiration key, it's illegal to circumvent it.)

      Since that wretched bill has passed, I have severely curtailed my purchases of CDs. It's not that the publishers have necessarily done anything intentionally vile, but the context within which they are operating has changed. And not for the benefit of their customers. So a rational evaluation indicates that non-open source works, including both music and reference works, are a much poorer deal at the same price than they were previously.

      Before that foul law was passed, I was unhappy with the way that copyrights were being extended, but vaguely supposed that those who were violating the laws were acting immorally. I no longer make that supposition. I'm now prepared to assume that it is civil disobedience. Not on the scale of consciously choosen ethical decisions, but on a more basic level of "If the companies feel free to buy whatever laws will benefit them, then I feel free to ignore them when it's to my benefit." I'd hardly be prepared to defend that as an ethical position, but I'd also be reluctant to attack it. And with every new law that the MPAA or RIAA buys, I am less willing to condemn those who break the laws, and more willing to consider them more honerable than the lice who purchase or vote for these laws. Or enforce them.

      When the police are enforcing just laws, they are the friends of the citizens. When they are enforcing the huge raft of tyrannical absurdities that we currently "rejoice" in, then they are the opposite. But some of the laws are just. So there is a mixed state.

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    17. Re:It's ok... by Viadd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually there is a better candidate for who Pangloss is a caricature of.

      Noël Antoine Pluche (1688-1761), the author of a highly popular work, Le Spectacle de la Nature (1732), took Leibnitz's ideas and ran with them, and ran, and ran, and ran.

    18. Re:It's ok... by dublin · · Score: 2

      Here it is, in all it's original glory (This is book 1, section 1): http://www.maths.tcd.ie/pub/HistMath/People/Newton /Principia/Bk1Sect1/PrL1S1.pdf

      And, oh, by the way, having a mastery of Latin will aid your understanding quite a bit...

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    19. Re:It's ok... by zobo · · Score: 2
      Newton was not a fun guy!

      That's true. On the other hand, Morel was definitely a fun guy!

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  2. FP -- where's the link? by sbeitzel · · Score: 2

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    The requested URL /news/OLGBTOPNEWS/2002-11-10T173943Z_01_L10426000_ RTRIDST_0_OUKTP-LIFE-RUSSIA-NEWTON.html was not found on this server.

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    1. Re:FP -- where's the link? by dustym · · Score: 5, Funny

      First the Principia... NOW THE WEBPAGE.

      Have these men no shame?

  3. link broken.. by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 2, Informative

    Other source of info on this story:

    http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=human ne ws&StoryID=1715112

    1. Re:link broken.. by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 2

      http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=humanne ws&StoryID=1715112

      fixed link; no space inbetween the e and w in humannews, sorry.

  4. Working links by HeroicAutobot · · Score: 3, Informative
    The O2 site seems to have taken the story down.

    Google news has some more links.

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  5. I know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny



    It must've been Hudson Hawk who stole it..

    1. Re:I know by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2
      Damn. You beat me to the punch. --Only I would have said, "Bruce Willis", just to make the reference sound more high-brow and clever and such. But either way. . .

      So does this invalidate the three laws, or are people still allowed to fly to the moon?


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  6. Ebay by charlie763 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Check on ebay, I'm sure it'll be on there soon...

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  7. Something Tells Me... by Bobulusman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That that thief will have a hard time finding a buyer. After all, it's hard explain where you got a one of kind book like this.

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    1. Re:Something Tells Me... by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd imagine something so specific as that would only be stolen to order. Probably a buyer already lined up or employed the bad guys to steal it for them.

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    2. Re:Something Tells Me... by rodgerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some shitbag will be ahppy to lock it away in a safe where they can gloat over it, happy in the knowlege they now have it at the expense of everyone else in the world.

      (Not unlike a description of the general process of privatizing the public sphere, really...)

    3. Re:Something Tells Me... by spongman · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Not unlike a description of the general process of privatizing the public sphere, really...
      except that privatization usually involves taking something away from the influence of a select few whose sole motivation is political gain and placing it under the influence of an arbitrarily large subset of the public whose sole motivation is the increase of its value (which is linked, in most cases, to its operating efficiency).
    4. Re:Something Tells Me... by Herkum01 · · Score: 2

      Uh-oh, likes like the MPAA has gotten to this one. Dillusional conspiracy theory, packed with anonymous bad guys acting as front for the "Buyer." He is not completely gone as he not referred to hoping that Tia Carrere, will rescue the book, ala "Relic Hunter."

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    5. Re:Something Tells Me... by WatertonMan · · Score: 2

      The whole event appears in next week's Alias where Syd pretends to be a philosopher of physics looking for note by Rambaldi in the margins.

    6. Re:Something Tells Me... by spongman · · Score: 2
      you must be a republican, eh?
      Who said I was even American? But if I was, I wouldn't be a republican, guess again.

      To change (an industry or business, for example) from governmental or public ownership or control to private enterprise...
      Yeah, but privatization of state-owned entities more often than not results in a publicly tradable commodity. The influence that the public at large has over a tradable entity is arguably larger than the influence it has over the state.

      When was the last time you heard of a member of the public standing up in congress directly influencing a vote on the running of a state-owned entity? On the other hand, anyone, even the poor can buy stock in a publicly traded company and influence the decisions of its board. On the other hand, who do you think has the most influence over your congressman, the rich or the poor?

    7. Re:Something Tells Me... by EvilAlien · · Score: 2
      Maybe the thief can put it in a museum...

      Who did the Russians steal it from, anyways?

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    8. Re:Something Tells Me... by spongman · · Score: 2
      No Im not kidding. I'm serious: every person's influence is proportional to their interest in the company. If you've got a fairer system...

      Hypothetically everyone could have an equal influence regardless of their interest, but then there wouldn't be any incentive to own more than one share in each company. A person could concievably own a share in every company. But what meaning would the value of a share of the company have? None that I can concieve.

      funny that this is in a discussion of newton's principia which discusses the calculus of limits, or infinitessimals.

    9. Re:Something Tells Me... by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Some shitbag will be ahppy to lock it away in a safe where they can gloat over it, happy in the knowlege they now have it at the expense of everyone else in the world.

      Curse them! Now we'll have to start mathematics all over from the 16th century.

      I know hindsight is 20/20, but we should have made a copy while we had a chance.

    10. Re:Something Tells Me... by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      That, or it was taken by a bunch of fanatic monotheists (take your pick) to burn as blasphemy.

    11. Re:Something Tells Me... by jonbrewer · · Score: 2

      privatization usually involves taking something away from the influence of a select few whose sole motivation is political gain and placing it under the influence of an arbitrarily large subset of the public whose sole motivation is the increase of its value

      Good Lord man, what planet are you from!?! Do a quantitative analysis of privatizations in this world and tell me that you're not spouting complete bullshit. I'd love to hear about any privatizations that actually did place an institution under the influence of "an arbitrarily large subset of the public" and not into the hands of an even smaller select few whos sole motivation is monitary gain.

    12. Re:Something Tells Me... by mclearn · · Score: 2

      That shitbag happens to be me. I will return it in a few days disguised as a lesser known work as a "gift" to the institute. After a bizarre scheme, the original works will be restored -- I'm sure it will have something to do with water paints and the like. I haven't yet thought it through.

    13. Re:Something Tells Me... by spongman · · Score: 2

      what's the alternative? get rid of money, and all move to a valueless society?

    14. Re:Something Tells Me... by spongman · · Score: 2
      Yeah, we should do that for our voting system too. The more money you have, the more your vote counts.
      Yeah, but that's exactly how the current political system in the US works. Why else do you think so much money ($600M+) was spent to campaign for the recent elections?
    15. Re:Something Tells Me... by spongman · · Score: 2
      Well, I can't think of any privatisation that ended in a privately-held company, all these privatised companies were, at least partially, split into shares which anyone on the planet can buy.

      The point that you're missing, and the one I'm trying to make, is that the interest of the shareholders is directed towards monetary gain, yes, but that gain depends on the effeciency of the company in question in conducting its business. A company that doesn't run smoothly isn't necessarily a good investment.

      On the other hand the government has only a passing interest in its agencies running efficiently (as can be seen from the HUGE national debt, the high price and exclusivity of government contracts, the pending bankruptcy of the social security system, etc...)

    16. Re:Something Tells Me... by spongman · · Score: 2
      no, certinaly not, that's my point, you fool.

      you need to look up what fascist means in a dictionary...

    17. Re:Something Tells Me... by zbuffered · · Score: 2

      Wealth is not a zero-sum game.

      Then where does wealth come from? Does money spring into existence from nothingness? Granted, goods and services are not zero-sum, there are always more around, but posessing these things does not make one wealthy, in the strict sense. If I threaten to beat you up unless you give me your lunch money, then I become rich as you become poor. In this example, wealth is zero-sum, is it not?
      So, give me an example of how wealth is non-zero-sum.

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    18. Re:Something Tells Me... by CommieLib · · Score: 2

      Finally, the key question. For the long answer read The Wealth of Nations: An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes. For the short answer look at a desert island example, so beloved by economists:

      You and I are stranded on a desert island. You're a doctor, and I'm a carpenter. Without working together, I die in a great shelter of pneumonia, and you die well-treated but still dead of exposure. By trading service for service, we are both better off. Money is simply a proxy for the value, so that we don't have to constantly be converting doctor-hours into carpenter-minutes into orange-grower seasons.

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    19. Re:Something Tells Me... by operagost · · Score: 2

      Someone probably intends to hide it somewhere, then patent calculus and gravity. What prior art?

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    20. Re:Something Tells Me... by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      "Why do some atheists feel they have to run around being jack-asses just like those they hate?"

      I'm not atheist, though. I have issues with people, not religions.

      "Sure, there is the occasional fanatic monotheist who runs around yacking at people. If you don't believe what they have to say, ignore them."

      Except that, in the past millenia or so, monotheist extremists have shown themselves able and willing to do some extremely not-nice things to people who don't share their beliefs. From the blood-letting of the Protestant Reformation to 9/11.

      Besides, this is right up their alley. Ever heard of the Library of Alexandria?

    21. Re:Something Tells Me... by rodgerd · · Score: 2

      You'll also note the author was a keen advocate of limits on capitalism, lest it destroy itself. Assuming you're not just name dropping.

    22. Re:Something Tells Me... by spongman · · Score: 2

      amazing, well try looking up both fascism and capitalism and finding the common ground.

  8. Google Cache by Keebler71 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is the cached article

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  9. For crying out loud by whereiswaldo · · Score: 5, Funny


    Didn't someone at least make a photocopy of it?!

    1. Re:For crying out loud by jkramar · · Score: 2, Informative

      They did. I realize this was a joke, but, coincidentally, I had been looking for it online just last week, and the linked site contains a full scanned-in copy of what might very well be the first edition.

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  10. Holy shit! by EggplantMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where the hell am I supposed to find obscure geometrical proofs of things otherwised proved by calculus now!?

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  11. *gasp* by Windcatcher · · Score: 4, Funny

    *urp*

    *cough*

    *choke*

    They stole... Principia ?!

    (screams to the next room) BRING ME MY GUN!

    1. Re:*gasp* by operagost · · Score: 2

      THAT is the definition of high-brow comedy. Kudos!

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  13. Library link by prostoalex · · Score: 5, Informative

    Perhaps there should be link to the library as well. Their online exhibitions section has some interesting links for a literature buff.

  14. Those thieves! by SeanTobin · · Score: 3, Funny

    They have stolen the web page as well!

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  15. This is dangerous. by CySurflex · · Score: 5, Funny

    Newtons essay is actually written on special material that in fact houses the CORE FUNDAMENTIAL ELEMENTS tha stabalize the laws of physics in our universe. If the theif has it in his mind to incenerate said document, be prepared for chaos. Apples not falling from trees, velocity and acceleration NOT functioning in automobiles (even Italian sportscars), Microsoft going open source, alphas of Doom III leaking. You get my drift. Just be careful.

    1. Re:This is dangerous. by falzer · · Score: 2

      That's true. I'm not sure people recognize the gravity of this theft.
      What, would a pun about some Apple PDA thingie have been better? :)


      You had to set this thread topic in motion, didn't you?

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  17. This is no time for jokes! by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 5, Funny

    You don't seem to realize the gravity of the situation.

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    1. Re:This is no time for jokes! by Myriad · · Score: 5, Funny
      You don't seem to realize the gravity of the situation.

      Oh do give it a rest. You know what will happen once you get a post in motion around here.

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    2. Re:This is no time for jokes! by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 2

      We have a motion from the floor to give it a rest. Any seconds?

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    3. Re:This is no time for jokes! by mizhi · · Score: 2

      Indeed, the reaction of the /. crowd doesn't fit the impact of the crime. In fact, it's completely opposite.

      ba dum psh.

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    4. Re:This is no time for jokes! by Art+Tatum · · Score: 2

      What I really want to know from Newton is where the "Uh oh!" sign comes from....

    5. Re:This is no time for jokes! by mblase · · Score: 2

      Oh do give it a rest. You know what will happen once you get a post in motion around here.

      I don't think he understood; perhaps you need to be more forceful.

  18. bah by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Newton died years ago. Why not put something in the museum that's a bit more contemporary?
    Maybe some Harlequin Romances or Stephen King?

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    1. Re:bah by nurightshu · · Score: 2

      Yes, but since he's now dead at age 54 (but that's all I know -- there "weren't any more details"), he should be just fine on display. Matter of fact, we could just toss Ol' Vladimir Ily'ch himself out and stick Steve-o in that case! I'm sure that Lenin, that nasty old shit, would burn pretty well once his suit caught, so we could have a nice eternal (well, 45-minute) flame in remembrance of Author Steven King, Dead at 54. :)

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    2. Re:bah by Guppy06 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because, unlike Harlequin books or King's works, Newton's Principa finally came out of copyright last month or so.

  19. Odd by Sivar · · Score: 2

    Isaac Newton's revolutionary "Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica" from a Russian museum.

    Odd. I could have sworn it was located in the Huntington museum in California, along with Newton's notes, seeing as how I saw it not six months ago.

    Of course, it may have been moved to Russia since then. See if we'll ever loan them a famous scientific work again! :)

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    1. Re:Odd by hitzroth · · Score: 2

      I think someone else might have mentioned this already. It wasn't the original that was stolen, but rather a first editon printing.

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  21. He might not have stolen it by jsse · · Score: 2

    but eaten it, so that the incarnation of Newton wouldn't hurt his girlfriend; but then he would have stolen the idea from Red Dragon

    "No, I don't want hurt her, but Newton third Law urges me...."

  22. The reason it is not super important by Slashdotess · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Originals in Art, especially those painted or otherwise created non digitally are hard to recreate. The information stored in the way Newton wrote, the shapes of the letters, etc is not THAT important. However, the brush strokes of a Monet or Manet are priceless.

  23. Broken Link? by CodeWheeney · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try Reuters

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  24. Steve baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Look out Stephen Hawking - you're next!!

  25. How, how, how? by gamgee5273 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How the hell do you sell that on the black market? Is there some reclusive physicist out there collecting rare works (Einstein's drink napkin from Le Lapin Agile!) that will pay top dollar for this? If so, how does he/she show it off to their friends and family (assuming that they aren't that reclusive)? How do you explain that you just happen to have this sitting around in the family room?

  26. probably gone forever by ez76 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I fear the crime will stay unsolved unless it is acted upon by an outside force.

  27. Not surprising at all... by repetty · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm surprised this theft hasn't attracted more attention in the mainstream media, since "Principia" is generally considered the most important scientific works in history."

    Oh, come on. Get real... The Sooners lost to the Aggies in College Station. No mystery here.

    1. Re:Not surprising at all... by namespan · · Score: 2

      now, if the original of this week's copy of the TV Guide had been stolen...

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  28. "theft" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once and for all, taking a physical item from its owner is not "theft". Yes this is the common usage these days, but saying something over and over doesn't make it true.

    If you want to be accurate, use the word "take". As in, someone "took" the Principia Mathematica.

    If you want to give it a positive connotation, use the term "shared" or "loan". As in, I just "shared" my copy of the Principia with a stranger, or I just involuntarily "loaned" my copy to a man in a ski mask with a gun.

    Let the RIAA and other thugs use their propaganda words. I'll stick with morally neutral terminology.

    Remember, matter just wants to be free. This doesn't mean zero cost, but it means once you pick up a physical object, you can put it in your pocket and head for the hills, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

    Besides, I believe the Supreme Court has already ruled that people have the right to "space-shift" other people's possessions.

    1. Re:"theft" by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

      Actually, your local lawyer won't know the answer, as legal precedent hasn't been set yet.

  29. Interogate the Leibniz Descendents!!! by footNipple · · Score: 2, Funny
    I think there's still some bad blood because Gottfried didn't get the proper credit.

    Get my drift?

  30. Stolen to order by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2

    I heard there was this weird rich couple interested in it; something about a crystal hidden in the spine?

  31. Carmen SanDiego by Jeff+Archambeault · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like something her gang would be involved in.

    Fnord

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  32. Principia by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2



    Thank god I have my own copy!

  33. Perhaps... by dr_dank · · Score: 2

    Perhaps the thieves wanted to see if Newton was for real about the whole "gravity" thing.

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  34. See, the RIAA is right! by sconeu · · Score: 2

    The copyright expired, so the Evil Content Pirates(tm) just thought they could take it!

    Seriously, I hope they find this thing soon. It's got to be priceless.

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    1. Re:See, the RIAA is right! by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      Yeah, and because it's not copyrighted, Newton probably won't try to create any more works!

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  35. Rumors ... by DanEsparza · · Score: 3, Funny
    You might want to sit down for this.

    I hate to break it to you, but there are rumors that Newton actually created calculus too. Luckily, calculus hasn't been stolen yet, but it's under close watch now.

    More at eleven ...

    1. Re:Rumors ... by Dannon · · Score: 2

      Luckily, calculus hasn't been stolen yet,

      I'm sure that there are countless first- and second-year engineering students who are absolutely overcome with relief.

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      Experience comes from bad judgment.
  36. Don't Panic by Kaboom13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a rare first edition, not a hand written manuscript. Although these selfish thieves have deprived Russian students of a rare and valuable text, it is not unique. A quick google search revealed that among other universities, Georgia Tech owns not only a first edition identical to the one being stolen (although the russian copy may have been in better condition, the article doesn't say) they also have a rare second and a rare third edition(http://gtalumni.org/StayInformed/magazine/ sum99/newton.html). Some other results also credited the University of Cambridge for having the most complete collection of Newton's papers. Rare first editions are mainly for bragging rights anyway. I don't see why this should be an international incident as the story suggests. Very few people outside of Russia would have ever seen it anyway, as there are other copies available in mroe convenient places anyway.

    1. Re:Don't Panic by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Especially since it couldn't have been THAT valuable if they let anonymous readers borrow it.

    2. Re:Don't Panic by kalidasa · · Score: 2

      Good posting, but one quick correction:

      Rare first editions are mainly for bragging rights anyway

      Actually, first editions are very valuable for textual criticism, as they were usually proofread by the author and so tend to be very, very close to the author's intentions. While this is less true for Newton's time than for today, it is also true that in Newton's time there tended to be more correction in the middle of print runs than there are today, so the text of one first edition might be slightly different from that of another first edition. Any textual critic preparing a modern scholarly edition of the Principia would likely want to collate as many copies of the first edition as possible along with any MSS that might survive (in, e.g., Cambridge).

  37. Sigh... by x136 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I saw the headline "Newton's Principia stolen" and immediately thought that someone stole a technology called "Principia" from the NewtonOS.

    Damn, I'm a geek.

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  38. Investigate Leibniz by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Surely Leibniz should be considered an initial suspect.

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  39. Second?? by Myriad · · Score: 2
    We have a motion from the floor to give it a rest. Any seconds?

    Second? I thought it was the first!

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    1. Re:Second?? by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 2

      Who's on first.

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    2. Re:Second?? by Fesh · · Score: 2

      Spoilsport! I'm taking my puns and going home! *pbbbbbbtpth!*

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  40. How'd you do that? by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 2
    The slashquote at the bottom of the page on which I read your post said:

    "What time is it?" "I don't know, it keeps changing".

    (As an aside, the above should cue the Bob Dylan jokes from the old folks).

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    1. Re:How'd you do that? by ninewands · · Score: 2

      Of COURSE the Times They Are a'Changing ... and I hope they DON'T stop

  41. Russian-speaking press by dvk · · Score: 2

    I have seen comments about how the story wasn't covered anywhere but one Reuter's article and Moscow Times. And decided to check what's going on with main russian-language news sites.

    NOTHING. Not a single mention whatsoever. Checked 5 of the most popular newsfeeds. No mention.
    Simple search (Yandex.ru for the unduly curious :)
    turned up several articles on lesser sites. Among the interesting tidbits:
    * Another book is also missing, a 1913 edition of some book called "Le Futur" by Bolshakov
    * The book is unique (other than being the first edition) because it has marks/stamps from many other libraries. I wasn't quite sure what that meant - only one article mentioned it - but probably the history of book's ownership is quite interesting.
    -DVK

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    1. Re:Russian-speaking press by hughk · · Score: 2
      This library has had a lot of books stolen over the last ten years which is a great shame. Some of these books were those collected by Catherine as a result of her correspondence with Voltaire and Didero's visit (I seem to remember that she bought a library from a western European country and hired Didero to help catalogue it).

      Unfortunately, the library gets nothing like the money that the Hermitage gets and they too have security problems. A lot was stolen from the national library, particularly in the easly days after the full of the USSR.

      There is a new national library building that is being constructed in the Moskovskaya region of St. Pete which probbly has better facilities. I don't know if it has been finished. However, the picture in the story shows the old building near Gostiny Dvor which is the original as created by Catherine.

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  42. No security? by (H)elix1 · · Score: 2

    No security? Heck, I saw at least five guys with machine guns when I borrowed it. I'm just trying to scan a page a day for the Project Gutenberg, and well, it is taking a lot longer than I thought. Those calculus thingies don't OCR well at all....

  43. Parallel Between Theft and IP by limekiller4 · · Score: 2

    Why do people view some sets of information as too valuable for one person to own (eg, the thief or the person who hired them) yet still back the very concept of Intellecual Property?

    After all, all the robber did was remove it from the public domain, effectively. Illegal, sure, but the effect is the same; the public is out a tremendous good to benefit the greedy few/one.

    Where is the difference?

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  44. While it's missing... by schnell · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...I'm definitely going to take advantage of F !=ma. I'm going to give my car a good shove tomorrow morning and ride it all the way to work.

    I just hope that we don't spin out of orbit while F != G(m1m2)/d2. I guess, though, that if we start to spin out of orbit, somebody on the far side of the planet can just give it a shove and we'll be back in place.

    Unfortunately, I've already noticed my CPU getting hotter. And I stood on this really tall guy's shoulders but I couldn't see very far...

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  45. Re:"theft" & semantics by MacAndrew · · Score: 2

    Thanks! This reminds me of a very old Benny Hill routine: "No, officer, I did not kill my wife. She just felll on the knife. 12 times. Backwards." That is, just how much circumlocution will we tolerate.

    For the record (one exempt from RIAA) it is nice looking book, and Australia has one.

  46. Simpsons test by Joey7F · · Score: 2

    "Eat up martha"

    Fans will think it is funny, others will think it is overrated.

    "The emperor and his new clothes" syndrome should be good for at least a +4

    --Joey

  47. to quote Gattaca... by webslacker · · Score: 2

    Tragic though this may be... it hasn't stopped the planets' turning ;)

  48. Democracy and markets by obtuse · · Score: 2

    I'm tired of Fasciscs whining about democracy. People will deny fascism while denigrating democratic government and prosletyzing for corporate rule.

    To claim that my vote is worthless in running the state, and that a corporation would give me more power, is Fascism.

    A democratic government is intended to give a voice to everyone. I have some small amount of influence when I vote, and when I write to a representative, or participate more directly in more local government, where I have yet more influence over how things are run. Maybe voting isn't worth anything to you, but it is to me.

    I'm not saying that the government should run everything, just responding to your assertion that the stock market gives me more power than democracy.

    Corporate rule is far from democratic. The vast majority of Enron investors didn't decide to enrich the few folks who burned down the store. The folks with the voting shares weren't paying enough attention, but most of the people who lost money had no influence at all, putting the lie to your last paragraph.

    Perhaps you merely meant that the government shouldn't own anything? Of course without owning anything, it couldn't govern, and would become irrelevant. That's OK for the fascists, because corporate rule will be best for us all.

    Forced to choose between my stocks, and my vote, I'd pick my vote (even back in the 90's.) Fortunately, I get both.

    So much for my offtopic answer to a troll.

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    1. Re:Democracy and markets by spongman · · Score: 2
      Sure, but you've got one vote, and that single vote is diluted among the power that the government holds over many different businesses. If you had one vote for each separate government business, then your point might be valid, but we don't.

      Your premise that capitalism is equivalent to fascism is laughable. Especially since fascism has historically ridden on the back of nationalist socialism.

      Your enron Example is interesting. I would say that it's a bad idea to invest in a company whose board members do not divest any power or display full accountability to their shareholders. You could say that government agencies are accountable to the voting public, but in reality they barely are, certainly to a lesser extent than the boards of publicly traded corporations. Who in their right mind, for example, would invest in the US social security system if they had the choice?

      As far as government owning things, I'd argue that all it needs to own is national security infrastructure, presumably an army and a police force, and the infrastructure necessary for the judiciary and legislature. Beyond that I'd say that no, historically government has not proven itself capable of running its other businesses effectively.

      I'm not trolling, to say so is fatuous.

  49. Edward Tufte has a copy by dmccarty · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If I'm thinking of the same book, I was at a conference given by the data display pundit, Edward Tufte (great graph paper on that site, by the way). As part of his speech he had a First Edition copy of this book, which he carefully showed us.

    What's very interesting about this book is that the printers of the day decided to take Newton's nice illustrations and print them on a new embossing press. However, the pages had to ben run through the plain type press first, then the embosser. Four hundred years ago, this was the bleeding edge of technology and his illustrations wouldn't line up with the text.

    So instead they printed the first 80 pages or so of pure text with footnotes, and at the end of the book added a section of large fold-out pages for the embossed diagrams. In addition to having to learn calculus while reading the book, looking up each diagram in an appendix must've made for some maddening reading material!

    Mr. Tufte's point was that people who create data displays shouldn't let anyone screw with it. If they did it to Newton, they'll do it to anyone.

    By the way, the colophon includes the printer's name in color (the only place color is used in the book), but doesn't even have Newton's name on it!

    Anyway, that's a little info about the book.

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  50. And this is why..... by nizo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm surprised this theft hasn't attracted more attention in the mainstream media

    At least in America this is probably due to the fact that when someone says "Newton" the first thing we think of is "Fig".

  51. I know, I know, don't feed the trolls . . . by achurch · · Score: 2

    Why do people view some sets of information as too valuable for one person to own (eg, the thief or the person who hired them) yet still back the very concept of Intellecual Property?

    In case you somehow missed it, nothing at all has happened to the information. The robbers stole a physical object. This particular physical object happens to contain valuable information, yes, but that information is still available from many other sources. This also has nothing to do with either the information itself or the physical object containing it being "too valuable for one person to own"; the issue is that the physical object was taken from its owner without permission. This is, quite simply, a case of theft in the most basic sense of the word.

    1. Re:I know, I know, don't feed the trolls . . . by guybarr · · Score: 2


      nothing at all has happened to the information. The robbers stole a physical object. This particular physical object happens to contain valuable information,

      not so simple. Of course math hadn't lost one bit. But historians had lost a piece of evidence. The original 1-st edition book may contain clues regarding ancient math publishing, formats, or other chemical or physical evidence. It could even hold DNA from the readers or publishers.

      Hence, this is indeed a loss to science. A small one, I agree, but a loss non the same.

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    2. Re:I know, I know, don't feed the trolls . . . by achurch · · Score: 2

      The original 1-st edition book may contain clues regarding ancient math publishing, formats, or other chemical or physical evidence. It could even hold DNA from the readers or publishers.

      As others have said, this isn't the only first-edition book--there are more. I don't disagree with the value of the information, but I don't think it too likely that there's something that could be learned from this particular copy of Principia that couldn't be learned from the other.

  52. That would be more funny if it made sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    Newton proves the principles of calculus with geometry. Calculus basically is geometry. There have been all kinds of notation for calculus over the years, but the notation is really just shorthand for the geometry. If you can't prove it geometrically then, while it still holds true experimentally, it's hard to trace it to its first principles. The point is that you can't really say something is "proved by calculus" now, because what that means is that it's proved by the geometry that Newton uses.

    Still, sure, you can learn all about the application of the math without knowing the theoretical underpinnings all the way back to geometric first principles, but it's much more intellectually rewarding to trace them. And it's necessary in order to say that an equation is "proved" mathematically. Theories do get non-Euclidean sometimes, but you can't really appreciate that unless you know the Euclidean things themselves work.

  53. that's why we keep backups, folks by g4dget · · Score: 2

    EOM

  54. I'm not surprised by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm surprised this theft hasn't attracted more attention in the mainstream media, since "Principia" is generally considered the most important scientific works in history."

    I think it's particularly telling but not at all suprising that this hasn't gotten the attention that a theft of other items such as art would get. The media and liberal arts people who would make a fuss don't understand or care about science, so they would give a lot more attention to the scribblings of a second rate artist than to a scientific work. Scientists value the information, not the paper, and know that can't be taken, and the media gives them little attention anyway unless a giant rock is heading towards Earth. It's a shame to have the artifact vanish, but I'm not at all surprised that more attention is given when a thief breaks in and steals from Madonna.

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    1. Re:I'm not surprised by Shynedog · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think it's particularly telling but not at all suprising that this hasn't gotten the attention that a theft of other items such as art would get.

      The reason this story hasn't attracted more media attention is that the book wasn't an original. It was a rare first edition, of which there are still 200 left, with 70 in the U.S. alone. See here.

      If a rare "first print" of the Mona Lisa were stolen, yet there were still more than 250 left in the world (not to mention the original), the media would barely even mention it.

    2. Re:I'm not surprised by Schwarzchild · · Score: 2
      The media and liberal arts people who would make a fuss don't understand or care about science, so they would give a lot more attention to the scribblings of a second rate artist than to a scientific work.

      I agree. In Florence, Italy they have a copy of Copernicus' or Brahe's (I can't remember which) work on celestial mechanics and yet it is placed in a very unobtrusive place whereas paintings by unknown (to me) artists are placed more prominently.

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  55. not a big deal by commodoresloat · · Score: 2

    They stole the Principia Mathematica, not the Principia Discordia. It's OK; put your gun away.

  56. Why blame people? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    Perhaps Newton was wrong about gravity afterall and some unaccounted force levitated the thing out of a vent or window.

  57. that's what they all say by Tablizer · · Score: 2


    Rich Russian kid: "I couldn't finish my math report, teacher, because a thief stole my library book."

  58. Whats really important ... by lightweave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What about Newton's "Principia? I mean it's not as if nobody knows about it. Everbody who studies physics, and many not studying it, know whats in this book already so why the fuss about an old book?
    If, i.e. Claudia Shiffer panties were stolen, well that would be a tremendous loss and I bet that media would have weeks of reporting over that (at least here in Germany), talks shows would be inviting people who would have something to say about it and radio stations would stop sending for a minute as a tribute to that loss. But Newtons Prinicpia? Gosh! Some people don't seem to have their priorities right in reporting such trivial stuff.
    Considering the mdeia hype when the Big Brother series was running I'm not really suprised at all.

  59. The book wasn't that good anyway by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    Those of you hopping up and down about this should calm down. This is not a big story.

    This copy of the Principia was one of the first edition copies. First editions are crap. They have all the errors and misspellings, and they come out with nicer editions afterward that make you feel stupid for not waiting a little longer. Just look at all those first edition "Lord of the Rings" DVDs that are now for sale on Ebay. Newton probably filled his "Principia Director's Cut" with at least 30 pages of extra stuff for those Renaissance astronomers who were willing to wait and pay a little extra for the famous "apple scene".

    Second, you have to remember that the book really isn't that good. While Newton was trying to describe concepts such as planetary motion and orbital dynamics that usually involve calculus, the only branch of mathematics well known at the time was Euclidean geometry. So the Principia is dumbed down to the level of his contemporary boneheads- and it suffers greatly for it. For example, here is a section cut and pasted from the Principia (the author has been dead since 1727 so this is probably still safe):

    PROPOSITION XI. PROBLEM VI.
    If a body revolves in an ellipsis; it is required to find the law of the centripetal force tending to the focus of the ellipsis.

    Let S be the focus of the ellipsis. Draw SP cutting the diameter DK of the ellipsis in E, and the ordinate Qv in x; and complete the parallelogram QxPR. It is evident that EP is equal to the greater semi-axis AC: for drawing HI from the other focus H of the ellipsis parallel to EC, because CS, CH are equal, ES, EI will be also equal; so that EP is the half sum of PS, PI, that is (because of the parallels HI, PR, and the equal angles IPR, HPZ), of PS, PH, which taken together, are equal to the whole axis 2AC. Draw QT perpendicular to SP, and putting L for the principal latus rectum of the ellipsis (or for 2BC^2/AC), we shall have L QR to L Pv as QR to Pv, that is, as PE or AC to PC; and L Pv to GvP as L to Gv; and GvP to Qv^2 as PC^2 to CD^2; and by (Corol. 2, Lem. VII) the points Q and P coinciding, Qv^2 is to Qx^2 in the ratio of equality; and Qx^2 or Qv^2 is to QT^2 as EP^2 to PF^2, that is, as CA^2 to PF^2, or (by Lem. XII) as CD^2 to CB^2. And compounding all those ratios together, we shall have LQR to QT^2 as ACLPC^2CD^2, or 2CB^2PC^2CD^2 to PCGvCD^2CB^2, or as, 2PC to Gv. But the points Q and P coinciding, 2PC and Gr are equal. And therefore the quantities LQR and QT^2, proportional to these, will be also equal. Let those equals be drawn into SP2/QR, and LSP^2 will become equal to SP^2 QT^2 / QR. And therefore (by Corol. 1 and 5, Prop. VI) the centripetal force is reciprocally as LSP2, that is, reciprocally in the duplicate ratio of the distance SP. Q.E.D.

    Holy crap! And you should see the pictures! Can you imagine it in Latin, too! Whoever stole this book is going to be sorry. You'd have to be a crazy person to want to steal this book, or to bid on it if it shows up on Ebay. I think we can assume that the remaining copies of this first edition Principia aren't going to walk anytime soon.

    Explaining concepts for a wide audience using insufficiently advanced math is a very difficult trick to pull off. Feynman did a reasonably good job of it in QED. But seriously, would you rather read a book by Feynman or Newton? Feynman also wrote books that told you how to pick up bar chicks. Newton wrote his books in Latin and died a virgin. Before Feynman died he made history by breaking a piece of rubber on national TV. Newton's career, on the other hand, ended at the mint where he spent the rest of his life hanging counterfeiters. Both of these guys were really smart. But which one do you think did a better job at writing books for people with a limited attention span?

    Third, the theories are wrong. They look good at first, and seem to explain most phenomena very well. But if you kick the tires and look at more accurate measurements, you start noticing things don't quite match up right. The perihelion of Mercury precesses, when Newton claims it shouldn't. And while F = GMm/r^2 gives good numbers for everyday work such as hurling probes at high speed into Mars, it's wrong. The equation is just wrong; it gives wrong answers! They're usually close but they're always wrong. The very first equation they teach you in high school physics is another one that Newton came up with, F=ma, and F=ma is wrong too! F starts to get bigger faster than a at high speeds! They have F=dp/dt, and that equation works with relativity, so why don't they indoctrinate kids' heads with that one? Probably because it uses Leibniz notation, and Newton hated Leibniz. And high school physics even today is under the thrall of Newton.

  60. Leibniz's good life and the best worlds by Pyrosophy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is actually a bit misleading. Leibniz did not die without honor... he was a nobleman's nobleman who worked for kings and princes and the like.

    He didn't get credit for the Calculus as readily, but it's not like he was Baruch Spinoza or William Blake (or David Hume for that matter). The man was a philosopher to royalty. The calculus was only one of his great philosophical achievements and that was noted in his time.

    Incidentally, Leibniz's argument which Voltaire ridicules is kinda neat. God is all knowing, all powerful, and all loving. Because he is all knowing, he knows all the possible worlds he could have made. Because he's all poweful, he could make any worlds he knows. And because he's all-loving, he would only make the best of all the possible worlds for us of those that he knows (all of them) and can make (all of them).

    So this is the best of all possible worlds.

    1. Re:Leibniz's good life and the best worlds by operagost · · Score: 2

      Maybe because it's not an idiotic idea, and you're just closed-minded. Did you ever think of that? Or are you one of the elitist atheists, who think that anyone who believes in the ultimate mystery of God must be an idiot?

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    2. Re:Leibniz's good life and the best worlds by operagost · · Score: 2

      By the way, before someone calls me an idiot, I'd like to point out that I don't agree with Liebnitz's logic either. I just find these kind of knee-jerk dismissals tiresome.

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    3. Re:Leibniz's good life and the best worlds by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      Logical paradoxes involving God such as these are like Zen koans for Christians, especially Catholics. It is a mental exercise now just as it was back then.

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    4. Re:Leibniz's good life and the best worlds by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2
      And that, dear children, is how the rabbit lost his tail....
      What so amazes me is how people conclude that evolution and religion are mutually exclusive concepts. What is so difficult about the idea that evolution is just another of God's tools, like erosion or plate tectonics? If you were explaining the Big Bang to nomadic shephards of 5000 years ago, wouldn't you find "The Lord said, 'Let there be light'" a concise description?

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  61. there's a "one of" missing in the review. by gTsiros · · Score: 2

    The submitter forgot about Euclid's elements. That one is even more important. Not only scientificaly but also paedagologicaly. However, we don't have the prototype. *sigh*.
    (IAAP:i am a physicist)

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  62. Stolen to order... by hughk · · Score: 2
    The Russian National Library has had a lot of books removed, probably to order. The collection was started under Tsarina Catherine the Great and included many original works from different spheres that were collected from Europe. She was particularly interested in the arts, philosphy and the sciences (a part of philosophy).

    She collected art works too which has turned into the Hermitage Museum. Whilst the Hermitage isn't funded well enough and the security is poor, the Russian National Library has negligiable funding so security is almost non existent. The staff are poorly paid and there are not enough of them.

    Most books that have been stolen from there are never seen again, which implies they have been disposed of in private collections.

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  63. "The Great Scientist Isaac Newton" by Get+Behind+the+Mule · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember watching C-SPAN years ago when some bill or other about federal funding for scientific research was being debated. Some typical Congresscritter was on, the worst kind of clueless politician, way in over his head. He supported the bill, which put him on the right side in my view, but one could easily see that he was trying to profile himself as being "friendly to science", although he in fact understood very little of it.

    To illustrate his views, he introduced a quotation of Newton's by saying something like, "As the Great Scientist Isaac Newton once said, ...", with a bit of rhetorical flourish on the man's name.

    I was depressed. One would hope that anyone could speak of Isaac Newton without any further introduction, but clearly, this Congresscreature felt compelled to tell us that he was the "the Great Scientist". Otherwise, he ran the risk that his audience wouldn't know who in the world he was talking about.

    Why isn't there more interest in this story, you ask? Well, because quite a few people haven't the slightest clue who Newton is or what the Principia is all about. Not unless you mention "the Great Scientist".

  64. It was only a first edition by perky · · Score: 2

    So Newton's own copy is still in Trinity Library, and I'm sure there are plenty of other copies around. What's all the fuss about?

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  65. the original? by AssFace · · Score: 2

    I am pretty sure there are a few "originals" - my college had one in ther Rare Books Library that you could see under glass, but obviously not take out and molest.

    Not to say that makes the theft of this one any better, but I just wanted another chance to post about rare books. Those things fascinate me.

    Especially them rare books with nekkid chicks in 'em.

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  66. It's ok! by Dexter's+Laboratory · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just dropped my Apple Newton and apparently it does fall to the ground. It missed the student sitting under the tree, but I am sure this was nothing to worry about.

  67. worthless by pensano · · Score: 2, Funny

    No big deal, that text is worthless now that all of physics has been supplanted by "A New Kind of Science." I don't think Newton even warranted a comment in the End Notes.

  68. Not exactly arithmetic by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 2

    "...Russell, who along with Whitehead authored Principia Mathematica in an effort to base logic in arithmetic..."

    As can be seen in Universal Algebra, their approach is algebraic, not arithmetical. It involves the manipulation of equations, not the calculation of numerical values, in the service of determinating truth and falsehood.

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    1. Re:Not exactly arithmetic by Quirk · · Score: 2

      As can be seen in Universal Algebra, their approach is algebraic, not arithmetical.

      Thanks for the input. I went from recall off the following quote.


      The next man of importance was Frege, who published his first work in 1879, and his definition of "number" in 1884;but in spite of the epoch-making nature of his discoveries,he remained wholly without recognition until I drew attention to him in 1903. It is remarkable that, before Frege, every definition of number that had been suggested contained elementary logical blunders. It was customary to identify "number" with "plurality". But an instance ofnumber is a particular number, say 3, and an instance of 3is a particular triad. The triad is a plurality, but the class of all triads - which Frege identified with the number3 - is a plurality of pluralities, and number in general,of which 3 is an instance, is a plurality of pluralities of pluralities. The elementary grammatical mistake of confounding this with the simple plurality of a given triadmade the whole philosophy of number, before Frege, a tissue of nonsense in the strictest sense of the term "nonsense".


      From Frege's work it followed that arithmetic, and pure mathematics generally, is nothing but a prolongations of deductive logic. This disproved Kant's theory that arithmetical propositions are "synthetic" and involve a reference to time.

      The development of pure mathematics fromlogic was set forth in detail in Principia Mathematica, by Whitehead and myself.

      Bertrand Russell History of Western Philosophy Chap XXXI

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      "Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
      Cohen
  69. Voodoo by nightsweat · · Score: 2
    I think a lot of the reason why there hasn't been press coverage of the theft on the level you might expect has to do with the nature of science versus literature.

    Scientific texts are always evolving and subject to verification, repudiation, clarification, and refinement. As such, they are living ideas that don't reside on a dusty page only.

    Literature, on the other hand, is much more like magic. One can't prove that Hamlet was crazy. One can't demonstrate scientifically and early in the text that Dimsdale is the father of Hester Prynne's child. As such, the actual object that originates literature is more "interesting" to the average person since it represents the genesis of an idea or a story, while a scientific text is seen as more the capturing of laws and facts that exist without regard to Man.

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    the major advances in civilization are processes which all but wreck the societies in which they occur - A.N. White
  70. Same story, another link. by Governerd · · Score: 2, Informative

    The link to O2 produced a missing page. Here is BBC's blurb on the same subject.

  71. No -- What colour is the sky in your world? by Interrobang · · Score: 2

    No, that's usually, "takes it out of the hands of the public and their accountable elected representatives, and places it in the hands of a few whose sole motivation is the increase in its share price usually at the expense of its operating efficiency," most often with a concomitant increase in public risk burden (privatize the benefits, socialize the costs of business, after all). Or did you miss Enron, all those California blackouts, and that study of 24 thousand for-profit and not-for-profit hospitals?

    In this case, though, the thief of Newton's books looks like they're privatizing both the benefits and the risks, especially to their ass, which will be grass if and when the authorities find them.

  72. Ransom Note Found At Scene by 4of12 · · Score: 2

    stating:

    "All your principles are belong to us!"
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    "Provided by the management for your protection."
  73. If You Can't Argue, Call It A Troll by limekiller4 · · Score: 2

    achurch writes:
    "In case you somehow missed it, nothing at all has happened to the information. The robbers stole a physical object. This particular physical object happens to contain valuable information, yes, but that information is still available from many other sources. This also has nothing to do with either the information itself or the physical object containing it being "too valuable for one person to own"; the issue is that the physical object was taken from its owner without permission. This is, quite simply, a case of theft in the most basic sense of the word."

    No, I didn't miss a thing.

    The point is that the robbers have said, basically, "this is now mine" to the exclusion of everyone else. Similarly, Intellectual Property Laws do the same thing -- they legally give one person the exclusive right to a chunk of information to the exclusion of everyone else.

    I'm not trying to say that both items were physical, I'm saying that in both instnaces, one person gained while everyone else suffered.

    You argue that a physical item was taken from the owner and as such it is a theft that sets it apart from something owned by virtue of IP law. But in doing this you actually make my point for me. I'm suggesting that while the thief took a physical item from it's rightful owner, a person who claims a bit of knowledge under IP law is stealing it from the public. For you to continue to disagree you'd have to argue that the information was never the public's to begin with.

    Unfortunately, IP law does not give room for subsequent invention.

    Suppose you make thing A in 1990 and, say, patent it. If I come to this same idea in 1995, I cannot do anything with it even if I never heard of your work. It's gone, it's out of the realm of 'possible,' whereas it once was. In other words, it went from the public pool -- where anyone could have thought it up if they were bright enough -- to the private domain of the first person to do so. This is accomplished through IP law.

    It is with this logical sequence that I consider IP law in it's current manifestation to be "theft" that is no less heinous than the stealing of Principia. The only difference is social perception and legal application, which is arbitrary and demonstrably inconsistent.

    Finally, I realize it is easier to paint someone as a "troll" than mount a logical defense, but it makes you look foolish. Use it sparingly.

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    Limekiller
  74. Re:Impossible God by NulDevice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is one of the theological pitfalls of monotheism. If you have an omnipotent god, you get all sorts of fun little paradoxes.

    i.e. can God make a pie so big that even He couldn't eat it?

    Reagrdless of the answer, you're left with an non-omnipotent god, which goes against the omnipotent monotheistic ideal.

    Many philosophers have spent a lot of tiem rationalizing this out. Otehres have spent a lot of time using this to prove that God doesn't exist.

    Polytheisms don't fall victim to this, since rarely do they ever have or need an all-powerful god-figure. Gods/goddesses with specific domains don't need to be all-powerful to get their jobs done. Of course, polytheism has other theological problems.

    Theological philsophy is interesting to study. Brain-hurting sometimes, but fun.

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  75. Re:Impossible God by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2
    You confuse "world" with "universe." In this universe, there is no world without God. That's your impossible world -- a godless world in God's universe. You're right, God can't make that.

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    If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
  76. blue by spongman · · Score: 2
    whose sole motivation is the increase in its share price usually at the expense of its operating efficiency
    what color are the economics text books in your world?
  77. oh, great. by msouth · · Score: 2

    now that the very laws of physics are in the hands of evidoers, it's only a matter of time before stuff starts flying off the desk, soup unstirs itself. etc.

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    Liberty uber alles.
  78. Newton RIP... by hackus · · Score: 2

    Ah Newton,

    I can remember sitting in a library, looking at rocket ships, and planets and stars when I was smaller.

    Now that I am simply small, what vision and dedication exists anymore in that classically romantic pursuit of truth and God that left a man deny all that was flesh?

    Oh Newton, inscribe that which God has put forth in the heavens and transcribe it for all to read, who could not see and were blind for all recorded human history before thy was born. You are the Master of all, Mathematics, Physics, Optics, Fluid Dynamics, Astronomy.

    Who has lived like thy has since? Thou was the first and last of your kind. When we are gone, the human race will not be forgotten, for Newton was here and stood upon our best and brightest and revealed peace and truth, in the pursuit of God, and placed our understanding in the heavens.

    Rest peacefully.

    Hackus

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    Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
  79. Troll, n.: by achurch · · Score: 2

    Troll, n.: "A comment, deliberately overstating facts or including misleading information, intended to provoke heated responses." (paraphrased from vague recollection of a /. post a few years back)

    You asked why this incident should be considered any different than current IP laws. I answered, explaining that this incident has nothing to do with information of any kind, much less IP laws (which should have been obvious from reading the article). I happen to agree with you that there are problems with the way knowledge is handled in our society, but regardless, this case has nothing to do with them (nor is this story the proper place to argue about them); that's why I called your post a "troll".

  80. What what what what what? (defeat lamness filter) by Snork+Asaurus · · Score: 2
    A classic, and inspiration for Monty Python! About 20 years ago, a local radio station used to play the Goon Show on Saturday mornings. I never missed an episode. I can still hear it:

    Moriarty: Don't touch that Christmas Pudding or it will explode!

    (sound effect) KABOOM!!!

    Eccles: Ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh.

    (OK, you had to be there).

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