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The Economics of Spam

higgins writes "The Wall Street Journal has the best story I've ever seen on the economics of spam. A self-described "spam queen" (Clean link; should work for non-subscribers) talks about not just the millions of emails she spews, but what it costs per mailing ($250 for 500k emails), what the response rates are (1-2 one-thousandths percent) and what she actually makes. (40% of each sale of one product: anti-spam software)."

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  1. Re:New spam... by Dman33 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I started getting that across my T1. Easy fix, but annoying!

    I have also heard from a friend about how he was at his university's computer lab when that WMS SPAM went to all of the computers in the lab. "University Diplomas On-Line!!!" Ironic bit of spam for a University computer lab, eh? ;)

  2. OMG her FACE?!? by Knunov · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good gawd...

    No wonder she chose an 'occupation' that doesn't require interaction with others. She looks like a smacked ass!

    Blah. It's even a Photoshop filtered black & white picture, which is usually done to make someone look good. They had to do it to her just to upgrade her face to hideous.

    I always figured spammers were ugly.

    Knunov

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  3. Re:Oh no by will_die · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is not a nice thing to do, calling someone just to bug them.
    When you call her be sure to ask her to take your name off her list, and please recall to verify that it has happened.

  4. Re:Oh no by mgs1000 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Okay people everybody, call her in the middle of the night.

    After all, as long as you are not breaking any laws, she doesn't have to love you or like what I do for a living.

  5. Re:Oh no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmmm... taking the Slashdot effect to a new level.

  6. Re:Time for a slashdot effect... by Draoi · · Score: 5, Funny
    That's terrible!! Now her email address is going to get harvested by some spambot. Don't you know she needs that for her WORK ???

    laura@dataresourceconsulting.com

    laura@dataresourceconsulting.com

    laura@dataresourceconsulting.com

    laura@dataresourceconsulting.com

    laura@dataresourceconsulting.com

    laura@dataresourceconsulting.com

    laura@dataresourceconsulting.com

    laura@dataresourceconsulting.com

    laura@dataresourceconsulting.com

    laura@dataresourceconsulting.com

    Just as well you didn't post her her phone number

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    Alison

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  7. Alright, you know that's not fair, unless... by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Funny

    C'mon, we can't be hypocritical here. You can't call someone up in the middle of the night unless you have an existing business relationship with them.

    That's right, no calls unless you've been the recipient of her SPAM.

    [Checking inbox... "You Have 362 Unread Messages"]

    Well, guess that's taken care of... What was Ms. Betterly's phone number again?

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  8. Re:Oh no by Arcturax · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not, I'm calling to make her an incredible offer! :)

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  9. Yes she would by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. People come in, see her naked.
    2. People pay her to put her clothes on.

    Money made.

    But, being a spammer, she may have someone strip their cars while the door is bolted to keep them inside.

  10. Re:You disgrace society. by Lussarn · · Score: 4, Funny


    but at least I get the satisfaction of a "fuck you" when it redirects to /dev/null


    How about a forward instead.

    info@dataresourceconsulting.com

  11. Re:$5 to anyone who proves this statement wrong- by GGardner · · Score: 5, Funny
    And in the "breaking a law you didn't expect her to be breaking" category, I'll bet that the 6 bedroom house she operates her business from is not zoned for this kind of commercial activity.


    We all knew that spammers weren't the brightest bulbs on the planet, but giving an interview with your real name and location to a national newspaper does seem a bit foolish, doesn't it?

  12. Re:"Mainline" companies who spam by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Heh. I send every one of those Symantec ads (with all the headers) to piracy@spa.org and piracy@symantec.com. Since they didn't have anything to do with them, the spammers must be illegally diverted or other infringing copies for those low prices they offer! And of course, Symantec would want to do something about that . . . :)

  13. Re:Oh no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    that's not nice, not nice at all. what'd she ever do to... oh wait, yah, fuck that bitch.

  14. Re:$5 to anyone who proves this statement wrong- by foistboinder · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I'm just trying to make a living like everyone else," says Tony Soprano. His waste manangement operation, he says, allows hime to raise his children, and to spend quality time with them. "You can call a mob boss, I don't really care. As long as I don't get caught, you don't have to love me or like what I do for a living."

  15. Now, Now... by Steve+B · · Score: 5, Funny
    The Colombian drug lords just want to provide for their kids too.

    Colombian drug lords make a living by selling a real product to a customer. It is very unfair of you to insult them by equating them with parasites like Ms Betterly.

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  16. What's Next? Harsh Language? by limekiller4 · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article:
    "WorldCom says that if problems with a spammer persist, the company will send increasingly stern notices and eventually cut off service."

    Stop! ... Or we'll say 'stop' again!

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    Limekiller
  17. Re:Lets Here It For Indepth Reporting by codexus · · Score: 3, Funny

    You wouldn't happen to have GPS coordinates with that? You know... the DoD was really careless when they put their missile launch sites on the net :)

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  18. its easy to see by asv108 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Why she thinks pornography is bad with a face like that. She doesn't even need to dress up for Halloween. When I saw her face the first thing that popped in my head was "Monty Python and The Holy Grail:"

    She's a Witch! She's a Witch! Burn Her! Burn Her!

  19. What a nice person by Sarin · · Score: 4, Funny

    "He labors over a message's subject line; he's found people are more likely to open e-mail if it appears to be from a real person, so he types his friends' names on "from" lines. "The trick is to make it look personal," he said as he tapped out commands on his computer. "You want to make it look like it comes from the guy in the cubicle down the hall."

    They must be very lucky to be friends with this nice guy. I bet they get all kinds of exotic offers like "sleeping with the fishes" and stuff.

  20. I have always said... by whipping_post · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have always said that Slashdot is cyberspace's Mos Eisley Cantina. This is a new low for us! Loving it!

  21. Re:Lets Here It For Indepth Reporting by iamsure · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is a tree line there just BEGGING for geeks in black suits to sneak up thru carrying the worlds worst paintball guns and waterballoon launchers (waterballoons filled with permanent red paint of course).

    The waterline is a river you can canal-boat thru, giving you a stealthy getaway, and quiet access.

    I cant imagine a much easier target for a full-on paint demolition.

    Should do wonders for her house value.

  22. Re:New spam... by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 3, Funny

    oh, bullshit. There is no 'free stuff inside' sign on an unsecured computer, any more than there is one on an unlocked car or an unlocked house. You have to look INSIDE the car or house to see if there's anything worth stealing in it, and that in itself is illegal. (looking through the windows of a car isn't illegal, but that's beside the point)

    All of you elitist bastards keep jumping on the less computer literate for not doing something they don't know they have to do... well, those of you who work for ISPs and in IT wouldn't have JOBS if it wasn't for the less computer literate, so stop your fucking childish whining.

  23. Re:backfire? by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ah even better the double reply CC trick....
    2 computers with forwarders set up and one attempts to wangle them to fire an email back and fwd to each other, while cc'ing each time to that email.
    In about ten minutes she should receive about 1000 emails saying "Your a bad lady, but I forgive you, so I've attached a core dump file to this email as a present". Catch... May kill your own mailer machines too.

    I once sent a 'Get fcked' email to a spammer once and copped an autoreply...
    So I sent another one, with the header forged so that it said it came from the machine account autoresponding.(Causing autoresponder loop death) The machine responded to pings for about 2 minutes, and then fell off the earth. Infinite loop email death. THAT'L LEARN YA , YA NUTTY SPAMMER!!!!!!!!

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  24. Not enough... by FyRE666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    $50 to anyone who goes around to her spam-house and cuts her connection with a pair of pliers.

    $10 bonus for taking a baseball bat to her PC... ;-)

  25. Re:New spam... by sfe_software · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...reinforced windows...

    Heh, I'd like to see that!!! ...throwing bricks at my windows...

    Now, I can certainly relate, but wouldn't this destroy what could have been a perfectly good Linux box? I mean, physically harming the... uh... oh, you mean those GLASS things?

    need more coffee...

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    NGWave - Fast Sound Editor for Windows
  26. Re:"just trying to make a living" by ftobin · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can see how one could make a living with two of those options, but how in the world could you make money gassing kittens?

  27. Suddenly everything becomes clear by The+Smith · · Score: 3, Funny
    In August, she heard through a contact at a technology firm about the kind of high-quality list spammers dream of: A database of 16 million addresses, gathered legitimately and held by a high-tech company that she won't name.
    That would be Microsoft's list of all Hotmail addresses, then...
  28. Re:You disgrace society. by btellier · · Score: 3, Funny

    how much do you want to bet that info@dataresourceconsulting.com has a spam filter on it?