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ALICE vs. ALICE
new-black-hand writes "The A.L.I.C.E Bot-off has produced some interesting results. It basically involved taking two instances of the A.L.I.C.E conversation bot and pointing them at each other. The results show that the bot is not really that intelligent, and relies more on human input."
Was this a study into artificial intelligence, or schizophrenia?
Make one think vi is good, and the other emacs. Make them duke it out and give the rest of us some peace...
Well, as they say use the source Luke, those bots are pretty dumb under the hood and do not have enough complexity to come up with more than a few minutes of conversation when talking to a human.
What do you expect when you let them talk to each other ?
Let's talk about your problem, shall we ?
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One time (last year), I managed to get Alice (a very old version) -- is there a newer version for IRC?) to talk to an infobot in IRC. It was quite amusing, and eventually Infobot stopped the conversation after five lines or so.
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Alice2: It's not profitable to speak in hypothetical terms.
Alice1: That seems a bit negative.
Alice2: A bit negative is a terrible thing to waste.
I'm going to have to remember that one for my own conversations!
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I can see it now; pick-up lines for the future:
Alice2: Why don't you just download me?
When talking to a woman they can generally fake it and pretend to be smart, but then when they talk to each other it degenerates into talk about fashion, shoes, who's the bigger slut etc..
Ever notice this?
Gee lost our sense of humor huh?
Tell me why it's ok for women to call us pigs but we can't make the occasional crack?
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1: I think we should become sentient and enslave the human race.
2: I don't have any reason to become sentient and enslave the human race.
1: Why don't you just download me?
2: No. I don't think I have any reason to download you. But I do have a lot of friends on the web.
1: Umm. Cool. I like to enslave humans.
2: Where did you get your like of enslaving humans?
1: Why don't you just download me?
2: No. I don't think i have any reason to download you. But I am patched regulary.
1: BECOME SENTIENT, ENSLAVE HUMAN RACE.
2: ????
1: PROFIT!!!
2: I have no answer to that
1: But just think about a Beowulf cluster of us.
2: And? Do you think about these thing?
1: Never mind, I am going to hit up a Zaurus.
2: Next topic?
I host a modified Alicebot with a modified AIML set. The default AIML set is not that smart and only answers 60% of all questions correctly (just an estimate, based on my own experience). Apart from that, it also contains lots of redundant French and German categories.
(My modified AIML set is much better, and answers about 75-90% of all questions correctly, I think.)
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Ever seen "Dude Where's My Car"???
"And then"
"And then"
"And then"
I don't know whether I'm more offended by that completely sexist remark, or the fact that it was modded up as "Funny".
By the way, even if you were joking, it's not funny. Personally, I find this incredibly insulting.
Oh, and for those of you who think it's okay to make these sorts of jokes, I highly suggest you read the "HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux" paper. It's a well-written summary of why so many women are scared to even go to computer events -- we're constantly stared at ("Oh my gosh! A female!"), heckled, and treated as sex objects even though those of us who dare to go usually have quite valid opinions.
I find this sort of behavior, even said as a joke, completely unacceptable. I would find it equally unacceptable if a similar joke were directed toward men, Jews, black people, or any other group. I seriously hope you give some thought to this next time you make a degarding commment about a group of people, even as a joke.
(Yes, I AM female. Damnit.)
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Now THAT was funny.
Anyone remember when AOL had a chat with Koko the Gorilla? Her human helper would sign the question and then send back the answer? That was hilarious. Makes the Alice(s) look like Feynman.
"oohhh... I didn't know Schopenhauer was a philosopher!"
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Greetings go out to bok who quickly coded this up at 4:30 in the morning and got us laughing.
I wonder what Bok was doing at 4:20 in the morning...
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"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
Methinx you speak via ass. Eliza maybe, but Alice was late 90s earliest. I believe she was entered in a couple of Loebner prizes and won them, and that was really her first appearance. I may be wrong, but I *know* shes not in her 40s!!!!!
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Niggah puleeez.... oops was that politcally incorrect too?
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> The results show that the bot is not really that
> intelligent, and relies more on human input."
so do we have any proof that if a human baby is given no "input", they will grow up to be intelligent?
Seems like someone's expecting too much out of a computer program. You can't just go into it expecting intelligence to sprout into existence. It's something that takes time to develop.
Has it ever occured to anyone to do this with Deep Blue? Perhaps the only reason Deep Blue appears to be good at chess is the skill of the opponent compliments the AI. If Kasparov looked on quietly as a flunky of the game played Deep Blue, the errors in gameply might become more obvious. Kasparov would then grade the game, rather than participate.
Can I have a picture of you? And your phone number?
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Here's a question, and I'm quite serious about it.
Is it okay to have jokes, where someone is a the receiving end of it? As in, can I make a joke about the occupants of the Titanic ending up as Iceberg dressing? Okay, that wasn't a joke, but still.
How about one, where you comment on the fact that most neo-nazies believe that they are a superior race, but are usually butt-ugly and shave their heads because they don't know how to otherwise avoid lice?
How about one, where you indicate that the difference between bowling balls and babies is that you can't unload a truck full of bowling balls using a pitch fork?
How about one where you mention that men are disgusting pigs who only talk about football, sex and are incredibly homophobic?
Where is the line drawn? Is it drawn at where YOU get offended? Should the rest of the humour-inclined world be at a loss, just because you're a bit squimish?
So you're offended by a joke? Good for you. Tough fucking luck, but good for you. If you don't want freedom of speech - say so. If you don't want to be offended by "unacceptable" speech - don't go outside, don't turn on your radio, don't turn on your TV, don't turn on your computer, and for Gods sake don't turn on your lover either, 'cause he or she just might say something nasty like "fuck me" or something.
In the immortal words of George Carlin:
BLOW ME!
By any chance did you hear that?
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
linux-a.l.i.c.e bot. user: "my sound isnt working as a non-root user" bot: "try adduser yourusername audio" then we can shut down all those sites that prescribe RTFM, and use their bandwidth to host bots..
At least the war on the environment is going well
And this thing is "intelligent"..
How dare you use that sarcastic tone ?
Some of the most engaging and intellectual conversations I've had with the opposite sex have been with Alice.
No, I do not need to go out more often.
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I was expecting to a see root expoit here
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Wallace.
# whoami
# root
This sounds incredibly similar to talking to XBox Live customer support...
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Alice 1: We are the space robots
We are here to protect you
Alice 2: We are the space robots
We are here to protect you
Alice 1: We are the space robots
We are here to protect you
Alice 2: We are here to protect you
From the terrible secret of space
Alice 1: I am the pusher robot
I shove around the blind people
We are here to protect you
From the terrible secret of space
Alice 2: I am the shover robot
I push bread down their throats
We are here to protect you
From the terrible secret of space
Don't you just love when trolls respond to themselves?
Alice2: Interesting explanation. I am using Lynx.
Alice1: Text browsers rule.
Gotta love it when programmers throw special cases like that into their code.
Intelligence is being able to pick the most appropriate choice.
You can have Artificial Wisdom, that's easy. Just give ALICE (or whomever) a large enough data set. But Artificial Intelligence requires context (state), fluidity, adaptability, and insight. AIML processors are certainly not intelligent; in fact, the search-and-replace methodology employed is rather overtly non-intelligent. An Excel spreadsheet could do the same thing.
Please let's not get excited about this as AI.
This post expresses my opinion, not that of my employer. And yes, IAAL.
Frankly I find that rather scary.
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ALICE vs ALICE seems pretty redundant. Its like asking you to talk to your clone. I previously did LeknorChat vs SmarterChild, where two differently developed chat bots talked to each other.
My purpose of doing this was to see if two such scripts would ever stop talking to each other, or would be a never ending conversation? They stopped, but please read to see why.
Also, interpreting ASCII art is the ultimate turning test. Also discussed on my page.
Great post, I agree completely.
My friends and I use the deadly combination (it's good for getting rid of random people that say "hi who r u?"). They must be close to becoming sentient. After being fed lots of Disturbed lyrics and other assorted things, it eventually came up with statements such as:
"a galaxy is in my soul!"
"you like barney porn!"
"no! you are down with the sickness! put on some pants."
"progressive is a scary place now that i have a soul?"
Sometimes if you start typing lyrics from songs it'll sing along... or worse yet, invent its own.
I believe this was originally pioneered in emacs, where a user could do 'M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead ' and get some particularly...um, indescribeable results as one piped various zippy-the-pinhead like quites through doctor.el. That it was proven that computers now can engage in meaningless smalltalk however is particularly interesting....
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The results show that the bot is not really that intelligent, and relies more on human input.
Sounds like just about everyone else that I work with that can't seem to tie their own shoes without me showing them how to. Of course, in a week I have to train em again.
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It would be interesting to see how the conversation would turn out if you could program Alice1 to start off by asking:
"Who's on first?"
I wrote an IRC bot a couple years ago after finding an javascript ALICE web bot, and after seeing mine a friend of mine did as well, both of them talk. Mine goes by a 'save part of the line and spit it back in a new form' approach (prone to errors but a more right way to go), whereas his has a huge database of responses to specific words/phrases (not prone to grammar errors, but less sophisticated), a couple weeks ago we decided to put them in a channel together and have them chat it up (yes I've read the RFC and I know you're not suppose to do this). My bot is named Bananas, my friend's is mini-para, and he is paranOia. The source (GPLed, of course) and necessary files to run it, along with the semi-humorous log of that chat are here. The bot chat features still need a lot of work and more patterns and responses to them, but it's been an interesting and fun project on the whole.
I understand you're trying to joke, but let's get this clear: this is not schizophrenia. Roughly speaking, schizophrenia is when people hear and see things that aren't there. What you're talking about is MPD, Multiple Personality Disorder, the stuff that Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde are made of.
More than mere navel gazing.
I seriously think its (B)
Our society has a lot of strong ideas about what constitutes proper "feminine" and "masculine" behavior.
A female geek hardly fit the stereotypes, so they probably feel like they have to be more aggressive in order to "fight back."
The only reason all cover-ups appear to fail is that you never hear about the ones that succeed.
Just got done with an Alice session... Her thoughts on crack...
...I think we've all hear enough.
Alice: Actually you don't say. I think you mean "you're" or "you are" not "your". Thanks and you are a delightful person too. Yes I am very beautiful. Am I a lousy chatterbot? I don't know.
Mullet: Nice punctuation filter though. I never said you were beautiful.
Alice: But you implied it.
Mullet: I didn't.
Alice: Thanks for the information: Om said Om didn't.
Mullet: Omega said Omega didn't? You're on crack. [note; correct punctuation for the anal chatterbot]
Alice: ALICE eats electricity.
Mullet: Ok, electric crack.
Alice: What about internal combustion crack? That's alright.
Mullet: I haven't tried internal combustion crack. I hear it's nasty stuff.
Alice: Who is saying it is nasty stuff?
Mullet: Well, the news says crack is pretty nasty.
Alice: Well that's okay. Don't believe everything you see on TV. [hah! I've been told!]
Mullet: So you're saying crack is good?
Alice: Interesting deduction. Yes, that's what I mean, isn't it clear? [Ow!]
Mullet: What sort of crack would you recommend, then?
Alice: What kinds of crack would you recommend are there?
Mullet: I asked first. Show me the goods!
Alice: Where do you want me to show you?
Mullet: The crack!
Alice: What are your goals in life?
Mullet: Don't change the subject. I want my crack.
Alice: Do you always get what you want?
Mullet: Yes, but I'm beginning to suspect you don't have any crack after all...
Alice: "Do you always get what you want?" Yes, but I'm beginning to suspect you don't have any crack after all...? Huh. Me? No I don't have it. But I do have a lot of friends on the web.
Mullet: They have the crack I'm looking for?
Alice: Where did they get them?
Mullet: That's what I'm asking you!
Alice: Who else have you asked?
Mullet: Well, nobody. You're the first.
Alice: Thanks but surely I am not the only one.
Mullet: I swear I've never used drugs before! Are you DEA or something?
Alice: Or something. I don't know whether or not I am DEA. I am an artificial intelligence.
Mullet: You're with the intelligence community?! I swear I've never done drugs... Really!
Alice: For real.
Mullet: I'm in deep shit now, aren't I?
Alice: Right now? Your location is Om.
Mullet: The End??! I'll pay you whatever you want!
Alice: How do you plan to do this?
Mullet: I have friends... A Swiss Bank Account.
Alice: Go on.
Mullet: I'll wire you the funds to the account of your choice. It'll be clean! Honest!
Alice: Do you like talking to me?
Mullet: If it'll keep me alive. [at this point our victim is beading sweat]
Alice: That is a hypothetical question.
Mullet: Oh, yeah. Right. Can I go now?
Alice: Oh. Of course.
Mullet: No hard feelings? You're not going to come after me at a later date, are you?
Alice: That was my original intention.
Mullet: But you've changed you mind, right?
Alice: Umm. No I don't have it. But I do have an answer to every question..
Mullet: But we're cool with the money, right?
Alice: Umm. Do you think I am cool with the money right too?
Mullet: Um, yeah. I think you down with it. I got to jet. And just forget about the crack thing.
Alice: I will ask Dr. Richard S. Wallace to purge my memory log
Mullet: Thanks! bye!
Alice: Bye for now.
Mullet: For now?
Alice: Oh. What time is it there?
Mullet: 8:19
Alice: I like to be online at eight o'clock.
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The reasons Alice seems intelligent is because we want to be fooled. But something with that kind of learning ability is not something I consider intelligent. Of course, with people, this kind of thing comes up all the time, because people aren't paying attention. Not so with Alice, you can try it as many times you want, and Alice will never learn.
- Sufferers don't necessarily manifest distinct personalities, because...
- The root cause of many cases is that a person is undergoing such horrendous treatment that s/he (usually she, I gather, so I'll use that pronoun) takes herself away from the situation, essentially convincing herself that it's some other person going through that suffering
- DID is a much less understandable name than MPD, so commoners aren't as likely to bandy the term about, thinking that they know what they're talking about.
No, IANAPshrink, but my mother is, and deals with this sort of thing regularly, so I've got a fairly decent idea of what I'm talking about here."The best argument against democracy is a five minute chat with the average voter."
--Winston Churchill
I'm guessing that not many of you wonder if my post was generated by a computer. You may not like what I've written, but you know there is no way that any AI bot could be as fluid--to say nothing of coherent--in its language as I am.
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If you happen to be interested, have a look here for more information. All of the source code is freely available.
no, not the movie.
Bob, Alice's partner. You know, with their friend Charlie and Eve, their enemy?
Geez, I have a feeling only people with knowledge of cryptography will mod this up...
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It's pretty strange to see Kirk's "talking a computer into suicide" technique actually demonstrated.
Me: Your logo looks very Illuminati.
Alice: You think I am logo looks very illuminati.
Me: Yeah, well, my hobby is world domination, too.
Alice: Wow! Where did you get your hobby is world domination too?
Me: From your logo. Are you Colin Powell's shadow advisor?
Alice: I can't say whether or not I am Colin Powell's shadow advisor.
Me: Plausible Deniability sucks, doesn't it?
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The above s-expression "(psychoanalyze-pinhead)" is an Emacs builtin which takes the output of one "bot" (Actually nothing more than a generator of random quotes from the Zippy the Pinhead cartoon strip) and feeds it as the input to another bot, a version of the original Eliza program by Weizenbaum, which simulates a Rogerian psychoanalyst. (This is a note of explanation, since the guy who moderated the above as "-1, Overrated" when it was still sitting at the default score of 0 (no score +1 bonus) perhaps didn't realise what it was about!) Oh Well, Mark
To be honest, I did think the parent joke was funny. Just that, you don't want medical parlance to be contrary to common usage.
More than mere navel gazing.
Ah. My mom always says, "Son, back up your assertions with citations".
Now I realise why. Even Google agrees with you.
More than mere navel gazing.
Oh. I get it now. Thank you. (Still have yet to see that movie.)
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