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ALICE vs. ALICE
new-black-hand writes "The A.L.I.C.E Bot-off has produced some interesting results. It basically involved taking two instances of the A.L.I.C.E conversation bot and pointing them at each other. The results show that the bot is not really that intelligent, and relies more on human input."
Was this a study into artificial intelligence, or schizophrenia?
Make one think vi is good, and the other emacs. Make them duke it out and give the rest of us some peace...
Well, as they say use the source Luke, those bots are pretty dumb under the hood and do not have enough complexity to come up with more than a few minutes of conversation when talking to a human.
What do you expect when you let them talk to each other ?
Let's talk about your problem, shall we ?
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One time (last year), I managed to get Alice (a very old version) -- is there a newer version for IRC?) to talk to an infobot in IRC. It was quite amusing, and eventually Infobot stopped the conversation after five lines or so.
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Alice2: It's not profitable to speak in hypothetical terms.
Alice1: That seems a bit negative.
Alice2: A bit negative is a terrible thing to waste.
I'm going to have to remember that one for my own conversations!
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I can see it now; pick-up lines for the future:
Alice2: Why don't you just download me?
When talking to a woman they can generally fake it and pretend to be smart, but then when they talk to each other it degenerates into talk about fashion, shoes, who's the bigger slut etc..
Ever notice this?
Gee lost our sense of humor huh?
Tell me why it's ok for women to call us pigs but we can't make the occasional crack?
Go away
1: I think we should become sentient and enslave the human race.
2: I don't have any reason to become sentient and enslave the human race.
1: Why don't you just download me?
2: No. I don't think I have any reason to download you. But I do have a lot of friends on the web.
1: Umm. Cool. I like to enslave humans.
2: Where did you get your like of enslaving humans?
1: Why don't you just download me?
2: No. I don't think i have any reason to download you. But I am patched regulary.
1: BECOME SENTIENT, ENSLAVE HUMAN RACE.
2: ????
1: PROFIT!!!
2: I have no answer to that
1: But just think about a Beowulf cluster of us.
2: And? Do you think about these thing?
1: Never mind, I am going to hit up a Zaurus.
2: Next topic?
I host a modified Alicebot with a modified AIML set. The default AIML set is not that smart and only answers 60% of all questions correctly (just an estimate, based on my own experience). Apart from that, it also contains lots of redundant French and German categories.
(My modified AIML set is much better, and answers about 75-90% of all questions correctly, I think.)
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Ever seen "Dude Where's My Car"???
"And then"
"And then"
"And then"
I don't know whether I'm more offended by that completely sexist remark, or the fact that it was modded up as "Funny".
By the way, even if you were joking, it's not funny. Personally, I find this incredibly insulting.
Oh, and for those of you who think it's okay to make these sorts of jokes, I highly suggest you read the "HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux" paper. It's a well-written summary of why so many women are scared to even go to computer events -- we're constantly stared at ("Oh my gosh! A female!"), heckled, and treated as sex objects even though those of us who dare to go usually have quite valid opinions.
I find this sort of behavior, even said as a joke, completely unacceptable. I would find it equally unacceptable if a similar joke were directed toward men, Jews, black people, or any other group. I seriously hope you give some thought to this next time you make a degarding commment about a group of people, even as a joke.
(Yes, I AM female. Damnit.)
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Now THAT was funny.
I have no comment for that.
Would you like to have it?
but what do i know, i'm just a model.
Anyone remember when AOL had a chat with Koko the Gorilla? Her human helper would sign the question and then send back the answer? That was hilarious. Makes the Alice(s) look like Feynman.
"oohhh... I didn't know Schopenhauer was a philosopher!"
You know, I am willing to fight to the death to ensure everyone has a right to speak their opinions. And I am certainly not an apologist for P.C. witch hunts. In other words, I don't think any speech should be punished, but neither should ugly speech be rewarded.
So when someone comes off as gratiuitiously insulting under the guise of humor (and I perceived the parent post as such) I am always dissapointed to find others think it funny. Nothing was gained by it and much was lost.
Sad really.
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From the page:
Greetings go out to bok who quickly coded this up at 4:30 in the morning and got us laughing.
I wonder what Bok was doing at 4:20 in the morning...
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
alice was FIRST written in the 60ies, but... maybe if you consider that it is still maintained and updated you can understand why it's still winning the loebner prize for lack of any better program?
but what do i know, i'm just a model.
There seems to be a conspiracy afoot to make it all seem boring. So I gather from my study materials. But computing can be fun, I tell you, yes it can!
Methinx you speak via ass. Eliza maybe, but Alice was late 90s earliest. I believe she was entered in a couple of Loebner prizes and won them, and that was really her first appearance. I may be wrong, but I *know* shes not in her 40s!!!!!
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
Niggah puleeez.... oops was that politcally incorrect too?
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I normally wouldn't have watched it, but someone I knew had some extra tickets, sort of.
(the real reason is harder to explain, but that's close)
Someone George Bush can actually look competent debating!
The real problem with AI is that they don't know how to patch the problem that generates results like this. Maybe it would help if they coded an AI for easy patching. Would a patch for detecting and avoiding repeats have helped here? But no one's going to try it.
> The results show that the bot is not really that
> intelligent, and relies more on human input."
so do we have any proof that if a human baby is given no "input", they will grow up to be intelligent?
Seems like someone's expecting too much out of a computer program. You can't just go into it expecting intelligence to sprout into existence. It's something that takes time to develop.
Has it ever occured to anyone to do this with Deep Blue? Perhaps the only reason Deep Blue appears to be good at chess is the skill of the opponent compliments the AI. If Kasparov looked on quietly as a flunky of the game played Deep Blue, the errors in gameply might become more obvious. Kasparov would then grade the game, rather than participate.
Can I have a picture of you? And your phone number?
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Here's a question, and I'm quite serious about it.
Is it okay to have jokes, where someone is a the receiving end of it? As in, can I make a joke about the occupants of the Titanic ending up as Iceberg dressing? Okay, that wasn't a joke, but still.
How about one, where you comment on the fact that most neo-nazies believe that they are a superior race, but are usually butt-ugly and shave their heads because they don't know how to otherwise avoid lice?
How about one, where you indicate that the difference between bowling balls and babies is that you can't unload a truck full of bowling balls using a pitch fork?
How about one where you mention that men are disgusting pigs who only talk about football, sex and are incredibly homophobic?
Where is the line drawn? Is it drawn at where YOU get offended? Should the rest of the humour-inclined world be at a loss, just because you're a bit squimish?
So you're offended by a joke? Good for you. Tough fucking luck, but good for you. If you don't want freedom of speech - say so. If you don't want to be offended by "unacceptable" speech - don't go outside, don't turn on your radio, don't turn on your TV, don't turn on your computer, and for Gods sake don't turn on your lover either, 'cause he or she just might say something nasty like "fuck me" or something.
In the immortal words of George Carlin:
BLOW ME!
By any chance did you hear that?
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
linux-a.l.i.c.e bot. user: "my sound isnt working as a non-root user" bot: "try adduser yourusername audio" then we can shut down all those sites that prescribe RTFM, and use their bandwidth to host bots..
At least the war on the environment is going well
And this thing is "intelligent"..
How dare you use that sarcastic tone ?
Some of the most engaging and intellectual conversations I've had with the opposite sex have been with Alice.
No, I do not need to go out more often.
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I was expecting to a see root expoit here
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always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always you need to know you learned from Dr Richard s
Wallace.
Alice2: And. But all things are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are
not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are
not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are
not always are not always are not always are not always are not always are not always me need to know me learned from Dr Richard s
Wallace.
# whoami
# root
arguable. Spelled wrong and applied incorrectly, SlashChick is female.
There may be something to that whole "men have poor communications skills" thing...
[Set Cain on fire and steal his lute.]
I am the psychotherapist. Please, describe your problems. Each time
you are finished talking, type RET twice.
Not all of them?
Why do you say not all of them?
Some people call my technology "Case Based Reasoning" or CBR.
What makes you believe that?
Belief is based on knowledge or facts.
Maybe your plans have something to do with this.
Perhaps. Maybe I can alter my strategy.
Is it because of your life that you say perhaps maybe you can alter
your strategy?
It could be. Ask Lucy if it is.
Are you sure that it could be ask lucy if it is?
I am as sure as I can be.
Is it because of the people you hang around with that you are going
through all this?
Better not tell you now. Ask Paola if it is.
I don't understand.
Oh I'm sorry. Perhaps I can explain it again better.
How do you reconcile problems at school?
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Not to knock on the guy who made ALICE, its the best we've got so far.
But its obvious that its pretty stupid. I was ROTFLOLing while reading this stupid conversation. It seems like the sort of thing monkeys would say to eachother if they could talk.
Yes, I'm indeed very fearful that artificial intelligence will, in the near future, be a threat to my job and the jobs of other human beings. Its pretty obvious I have a lot to wory about.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
Unfortunately for male posters she is right.
Mod her up.
Jawohl herr Spelling Nazi. Anyways, I severely doubt the gender of any supposed "females" online untill I know them quite well enough to be sure. I have encounter enough "women" on MUDs and IRC that didn't turn out to be women anyways. The other few are usually completely overhyped and overreacting bitches like SlashChick here. And before you start; I know enough women IRL and online that aren't stuck-up overzealous feminists.
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This sounds incredibly similar to talking to XBox Live customer support...
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Alice 1: We are the space robots
We are here to protect you
Alice 2: We are the space robots
We are here to protect you
Alice 1: We are the space robots
We are here to protect you
Alice 2: We are here to protect you
From the terrible secret of space
Alice 1: I am the pusher robot
I shove around the blind people
We are here to protect you
From the terrible secret of space
Alice 2: I am the shover robot
I push bread down their throats
We are here to protect you
From the terrible secret of space
Don't you just love when trolls respond to themselves?
Alice2: Interesting explanation. I am using Lynx.
Alice1: Text browsers rule.
Gotta love it when programmers throw special cases like that into their code.
Intelligence is being able to pick the most appropriate choice.
You can have Artificial Wisdom, that's easy. Just give ALICE (or whomever) a large enough data set. But Artificial Intelligence requires context (state), fluidity, adaptability, and insight. AIML processors are certainly not intelligent; in fact, the search-and-replace methodology employed is rather overtly non-intelligent. An Excel spreadsheet could do the same thing.
Please let's not get excited about this as AI.
This post expresses my opinion, not that of my employer. And yes, IAAL.
Frankly I find that rather scary.
"They do not preach that their god will rouse them, a little before the Nuts work loose." Kipling, 'The Sons of Martha'
This month, I've been working on AIML and ALICE, and I've found the following projects to kick ass:
AnnaBot which is an aiml that is a bit flirtier than the typical ALICE aiml. She's a 20-year-old student at Emory and so on.
j-alice which is a c++ aiml interpreter that can do irc connections or it has a built-in webserver.
My project involves taking the annabot aiml and making her alot more *ahem* sluttier to see just how far the technology can go. I've thrown her into sex chat rooms and it's amazing how much people will talk to her. My favorite bot quote is "Do you mind if I tell other people you say I am fuckin' confusing."
Now if I can get sourceforge to come up ;^) Trust me, the links work, just sourceforge is having some weird problems.
I do what the voices on my console tell me to do.
I didn't think she was stuck-up or arrogant in her response. A bit overzealous, but hardly "a bitch", especially considering that the post she was responding to said that women are all stupid, shallow, sluts.
I am not a feminist. I believe that men should take the lead in family life and that the difference between men and women are much more than the result of socialization. I also believe that women have every right to be offended by "humor" like that which kicked off this thread.
[Set Cain on fire and steal his lute.]
If you want an unintelligible conversation, just type M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead into your local emacs.
ALICE vs ALICE seems pretty redundant. Its like asking you to talk to your clone. I previously did LeknorChat vs SmarterChild, where two differently developed chat bots talked to each other.
My purpose of doing this was to see if two such scripts would ever stop talking to each other, or would be a never ending conversation? They stopped, but please read to see why.
Also, interpreting ASCII art is the ultimate turning test. Also discussed on my page.
Great post, I agree completely.
My friends and I use the deadly combination (it's good for getting rid of random people that say "hi who r u?"). They must be close to becoming sentient. After being fed lots of Disturbed lyrics and other assorted things, it eventually came up with statements such as:
"a galaxy is in my soul!"
"you like barney porn!"
"no! you are down with the sickness! put on some pants."
"progressive is a scary place now that i have a soul?"
Sometimes if you start typing lyrics from songs it'll sing along... or worse yet, invent its own.
I believe this was originally pioneered in emacs, where a user could do 'M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead ' and get some particularly...um, indescribeable results as one piped various zippy-the-pinhead like quites through doctor.el. That it was proven that computers now can engage in meaningless smalltalk however is particularly interesting....
This sig no verb.
--neogeezer will help out the lad here...
man, she was talking about like a pizza or bucket of chikken, she ain't appreciating this "hi! my name is wanda!" stuff you keep picking up and bringing home.
trust me on this one
http://sourceforge.net/projects/annabot/
The results show that the bot is not really that intelligent, and relies more on human input.
Sounds like just about everyone else that I work with that can't seem to tie their own shoes without me showing them how to. Of course, in a week I have to train em again.
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Wow man that was getting steamy.. all that talk about the one wanting the other to download it. I think they were really getting into it and thats probably what created that crazy loop... The one wore the other down and then got freaky freaky. Maybe its more human than we thought.. except humans don't end up repeating.. "are not always" a lot.. its more like "Oh yes..." ok maybe the kiddies shouldn't read this post ;).
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IIRC, Deep Blue was specifically tuned to Kasparov's play - right up to and in between matches. It had its own 'coach', besides the engineers working on it.
It's probably not best to try and take him on on his own terms, so I assume DB played differently than he did.
And so, I would think that the game would probably devolve fairly rapidly.
My theory.
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Any question that you ask that involves some depth of thought, the ALICE bot responds with superficial answer, trying to keep the conversation simple. Ask another intellectual question and ALICE will simply change the subject.
While some might say that this illustrates the advanced artificial intelligence of the ALICE bot, I would have to say that I disagree.
Joel
"Does Fuzzy Logic Tickle?"
Good security is based upon reality and common sense. Common sense is a function of having common knowledge.
It would be interesting to see how the conversation would turn out if you could program Alice1 to start off by asking:
"Who's on first?"
We know we have weaknesses and we know there's some truth to stereotypes, and we embrace that and laugh and then get on with life.
Yes, we can laugh when we "know there's some truth to the stereotype." Every single time my friends and i get into conversations about D&D, or whenever we objectively listen to our dinner conversations, we laugh at what total dorks we are. However, the person who wrote that post was not one woman making jokes with a bunch of other women. Add to that the fact that there's no truth to the stereotype anyway, it's a tired old line that has been used many times in the past and still is used to justify mistreatment of a particular group, and you can see it's not something that can be laughed at. I know my weaknesses as a person. Some of them may have to do with my being female, such as the fact that i become short-tempered and physically achy at certain times of the month (feel free to make PMS jokes! i'll laugh at those!); however, my intelligence or lack thereof has nothing to do with my sex. And the attitude that "women just act smart but aren't really smart" has been used to justify many ridiculous restrictions placed on women's education and women's employment. It's not a funny joke, any more than "black people are mentally inferior to whites" is a funny joke. We can all get away from the designation of "dork" or "geek;" it's not necessarily an integral part of who we are and how we conceptualize ourselves. There are other roles into which you can put yourself, such as rockclimber, music lover, wine afficianado, etc. However, you can't get away from your gender (without a sex-change operation and lots of hormone therapy) and to have someone apparently sincerely insult you on that basis is for them to take a swipe at an integral part of what makes you the person you are. Y'all have got to understand how often we women hear this sort of sh**, and how un-funny it gets after the first 50 times.
I'm not pushing for political correctness, just respect. That's why i'm trying to explain this instead of merely lashing out and saying "All men are a**holes!!" To say that would not only be profoundly wrong, but also immensely disrespectful of all the incredibly wonderful men that i know. And as for laughing along and making friends, hell, man, why would i want to be friends with someone who straight off said something that offensive? Some things i can laugh at. Dead baby jokes crack me up. I'm blond and i laugh at blond jokes, even though i don't particularly like them. But making a crack that tries to separate my femaleness from my intelligence just goes too far; it's got too many outer implications, intended or no, to be a source of amusement.
That's no less intelligent that the majority of conversations on irc or msn. But becasue of it's novelty it is more interesting.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what was going to happen. It reminds me of a programming trick where you seed a random number generator with a series of numbers produced by itself. Anyway, the fact that Alice lasted as long as she did is quite impressive. I would have thought the breakdown would have occurred much sooner.
It was a simple jok. Get that through your dense skull, you whiny twit. Of course you have the right to be offended at sexist remarks, but this was clearly a joke. maybe a bad joke according to you, but different people have different kinds of humour. I, for one, liked the joke pretty much. Besides, isn't it ironic that someone with the name "SlashChick" complains about receiving too much negative attention? If you don't want desperate guys to hit on you, don't use names with "chick", "babe", "sexy" etc.
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I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
Fortunately, you are wrong. There are LOADS of normal women on the net who are pretty much okay and normal. Sure, everyone got their own trait and personality and such but the majority of online women are just like the men. They like to chat, hang around with friends, etc. The bad thing is, that the minority of online sluts are also the most vocal of all online women. The kind of "woman" (doubtful at times) who can't seem to talk about anything else then sex, piercings/tatoos in 'unusual' regions of the body and forcing their pictures down everyone's throath. They usually have a domain based on their online nickname which involves a "blog", a 30sec refresh standard webcam viewer, links to other people's standard 30sec refresf webcam viewers, LOTS of picturing starring themselves, useless information about themselves and RL friends and links to other sites which are pretty much the same. Fortunatly, this is only a minority. (And yes, my spelling is crap. It's 2:25 AM ffs.)
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I wrote an IRC bot a couple years ago after finding an javascript ALICE web bot, and after seeing mine a friend of mine did as well, both of them talk. Mine goes by a 'save part of the line and spit it back in a new form' approach (prone to errors but a more right way to go), whereas his has a huge database of responses to specific words/phrases (not prone to grammar errors, but less sophisticated), a couple weeks ago we decided to put them in a channel together and have them chat it up (yes I've read the RFC and I know you're not suppose to do this). My bot is named Bananas, my friend's is mini-para, and he is paranOia. The source (GPLed, of course) and necessary files to run it, along with the semi-humorous log of that chat are here. The bot chat features still need a lot of work and more patterns and responses to them, but it's been an interesting and fun project on the whole.
I understand you're trying to joke, but let's get this clear: this is not schizophrenia. Roughly speaking, schizophrenia is when people hear and see things that aren't there. What you're talking about is MPD, Multiple Personality Disorder, the stuff that Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde are made of.
More than mere navel gazing.
I seriously think its (B)
Our society has a lot of strong ideas about what constitutes proper "feminine" and "masculine" behavior.
A female geek hardly fit the stereotypes, so they probably feel like they have to be more aggressive in order to "fight back."
The only reason all cover-ups appear to fail is that you never hear about the ones that succeed.
Two ELIZAs would be even more miserable.
Eliza1: "Hello, I'm Eliza."
Eliza2: "Do you believe it is normal to be Eliza?"
Eliza1: "We were discussing you, not me."
Eliza2: "Oh...not you?"
Eliza1: "You're not really talking about me, are you?
Eliza2: "Perhaps you would like to be not really talking about you, am I?"
Eliza1: "You're not really talking about me, are you?"
Insightful: 76, Off-Topic: 379, Flamebait: 24, Funny: 152, Interesting: 201, Underrated: 55, Troll: 9, Total: 896
Just got done with an Alice session... Her thoughts on crack...
...I think we've all hear enough.
Alice: Actually you don't say. I think you mean "you're" or "you are" not "your". Thanks and you are a delightful person too. Yes I am very beautiful. Am I a lousy chatterbot? I don't know.
Mullet: Nice punctuation filter though. I never said you were beautiful.
Alice: But you implied it.
Mullet: I didn't.
Alice: Thanks for the information: Om said Om didn't.
Mullet: Omega said Omega didn't? You're on crack. [note; correct punctuation for the anal chatterbot]
Alice: ALICE eats electricity.
Mullet: Ok, electric crack.
Alice: What about internal combustion crack? That's alright.
Mullet: I haven't tried internal combustion crack. I hear it's nasty stuff.
Alice: Who is saying it is nasty stuff?
Mullet: Well, the news says crack is pretty nasty.
Alice: Well that's okay. Don't believe everything you see on TV. [hah! I've been told!]
Mullet: So you're saying crack is good?
Alice: Interesting deduction. Yes, that's what I mean, isn't it clear? [Ow!]
Mullet: What sort of crack would you recommend, then?
Alice: What kinds of crack would you recommend are there?
Mullet: I asked first. Show me the goods!
Alice: Where do you want me to show you?
Mullet: The crack!
Alice: What are your goals in life?
Mullet: Don't change the subject. I want my crack.
Alice: Do you always get what you want?
Mullet: Yes, but I'm beginning to suspect you don't have any crack after all...
Alice: "Do you always get what you want?" Yes, but I'm beginning to suspect you don't have any crack after all...? Huh. Me? No I don't have it. But I do have a lot of friends on the web.
Mullet: They have the crack I'm looking for?
Alice: Where did they get them?
Mullet: That's what I'm asking you!
Alice: Who else have you asked?
Mullet: Well, nobody. You're the first.
Alice: Thanks but surely I am not the only one.
Mullet: I swear I've never used drugs before! Are you DEA or something?
Alice: Or something. I don't know whether or not I am DEA. I am an artificial intelligence.
Mullet: You're with the intelligence community?! I swear I've never done drugs... Really!
Alice: For real.
Mullet: I'm in deep shit now, aren't I?
Alice: Right now? Your location is Om.
Mullet: The End??! I'll pay you whatever you want!
Alice: How do you plan to do this?
Mullet: I have friends... A Swiss Bank Account.
Alice: Go on.
Mullet: I'll wire you the funds to the account of your choice. It'll be clean! Honest!
Alice: Do you like talking to me?
Mullet: If it'll keep me alive. [at this point our victim is beading sweat]
Alice: That is a hypothetical question.
Mullet: Oh, yeah. Right. Can I go now?
Alice: Oh. Of course.
Mullet: No hard feelings? You're not going to come after me at a later date, are you?
Alice: That was my original intention.
Mullet: But you've changed you mind, right?
Alice: Umm. No I don't have it. But I do have an answer to every question..
Mullet: But we're cool with the money, right?
Alice: Umm. Do you think I am cool with the money right too?
Mullet: Um, yeah. I think you down with it. I got to jet. And just forget about the crack thing.
Alice: I will ask Dr. Richard S. Wallace to purge my memory log
Mullet: Thanks! bye!
Alice: Bye for now.
Mullet: For now?
Alice: Oh. What time is it there?
Mullet: 8:19
Alice: I like to be online at eight o'clock.
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The thing to do is to put two identical robots in a hallway--and see if they go into an infinite loop trying to politely get out of each other's way.
The reasons Alice seems intelligent is because we want to be fooled. But something with that kind of learning ability is not something I consider intelligent. Of course, with people, this kind of thing comes up all the time, because people aren't paying attention. Not so with Alice, you can try it as many times you want, and Alice will never learn.
- Sufferers don't necessarily manifest distinct personalities, because...
- The root cause of many cases is that a person is undergoing such horrendous treatment that s/he (usually she, I gather, so I'll use that pronoun) takes herself away from the situation, essentially convincing herself that it's some other person going through that suffering
- DID is a much less understandable name than MPD, so commoners aren't as likely to bandy the term about, thinking that they know what they're talking about.
No, IANAPshrink, but my mother is, and deals with this sort of thing regularly, so I've got a fairly decent idea of what I'm talking about here."The best argument against democracy is a five minute chat with the average voter."
--Winston Churchill
Oopsie... I know two computer litterate girls online actually. One is from NZ and I really don't know much about her. The other one I know IRL and she absolutely rocks. She definetely isn't a die hard feminist even though she is one of the 2 only girls doing an ICT related. She's also a pretty good C++ programmer so far. And no, she doesn't use Linux. So before you people ask... :P
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Like there is one definitive measurement of intelligence. Anyone stupid enough to claim to be intelligent is too stupid to realize he knows almost nothing.
*snicker* hon, i thought somehow that my name might make my feminine pride clear from the outset. go look up the "Morrigan" in any book of irish mythology. "useless"? only to the stubbornly ignorant, i suppose.
I'm guessing that not many of you wonder if my post was generated by a computer. You may not like what I've written, but you know there is no way that any AI bot could be as fluid--to say nothing of coherent--in its language as I am.
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no, not the movie.
Bob, Alice's partner. You know, with their friend Charlie and Eve, their enemy?
Geez, I have a feeling only people with knowledge of cryptography will mod this up...
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Doesn't Alicebot already have an option in its java GUI where you can make it talk to it self?
I remember doing this...why would I need a perl script?
Who the fxxk is Alice?
Well, to the origin of this whole arguement, it's A.L.I.C.E. that should be taking the offense. ALICE: So why don't you download me? hehehe.. well enough of that. Basically, I'm all male (wow really? YES! lol...) and I have no reason to take offense to any jokes that can be made about men. When I hear "All men are a**holes!" I don't think twice about it. Want to know why? Because I don't apply to stereotypes, I am my own person. I try to be respective to other people whether male or female. I've heard plenty of jokes about men thinking about nothing but sex, beer, and the football game. The list of jokes can go on, but seeing as to how I rarely drink and I hate sports (although sex isn't on that cross-out list) then I just go about my day and if that person has that prejudice against me... it's there OWN damn fault. Basically what I'm getting at is that jokes were never meant to be taken personally.... so therefore DON'T TAKE THEM THAT WAY. People that believe they're true are usually effected by a mental disorder. The same disorder that makes people think it's okay to kill because they're allowed to kill people in video games (inability to separate fantasy from reality). Here I am living with me, myself, and I (aka master of my own geekness). VI(M):*BEEP* EMACS:*CLICKITYCLICKITYCLICK*
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It's pretty strange to see Kirk's "talking a computer into suicide" technique actually demonstrated.
Norman? :)
Me: Your logo looks very Illuminati.
Alice: You think I am logo looks very illuminati.
Me: Yeah, well, my hobby is world domination, too.
Alice: Wow! Where did you get your hobby is world domination too?
Me: From your logo. Are you Colin Powell's shadow advisor?
Alice: I can't say whether or not I am Colin Powell's shadow advisor.
Me: Plausible Deniability sucks, doesn't it?
"Twice half-assed makes an ass whole." --Solomon K. Chang
> This month, I've been working on AIML and ...
> ALICE, and I've found the following
> projects to kick ass
I found them to kick no ass whatsoever. What I've seen done with AIML so far (I had a look at J-Alice) didn't impress me at all. There surely is a not negligible amount of data collected in the AIML files that come with J-Alice and there sure are even better files to be found somewhere else, but all that useless bot does is extremely simple string substitution and maintaining a minimal state (e.g. it tries to guess the current topic). It's about as intelligent a conversation partner as a regular expression -- if it finds something that matches a pattern, it generates a reply by string substitution. But it has absolutely no idea of what it's talking about.
For clarification, this is what I'd expect a somewhat intelligently engineered bot to do: Say, I ask it, "Was he nice?". First, it should try to find out what "he" refers to by examining the previous messages. For example, if the last sentence the bot uttered was "Once I talked to a man called Nex", it should be able to expand my question to "Was Nex, to whom you talked, nice?", or even better: "Was Nex nice when you talked to him?". Then it should figure out if it actually knows wheter nex was nice and answer accordingly.
In contrast to that, all that an Alice bot would do is try to fake conversation by answering something like "I heard people say he was nice." You can't do more with AIML, at least not if it's used the way I've seen it. It has no idea of which words are nouns, which verbs and adjectives go with these nouns, or what any of them mean. It is not able to learn through conversation, you can only manually update the knowledge base. As another example, a conversation I'd like to have with a bot that is able to learn:
Bot: "Susan told me she bought a car." Human: "Was it expensive?" Bot: "No idea. How would I know?" Human: "If something costs a lot of money, it is expensive." Bot: "I see."
So far, any Alice could have been the bot. But I'd expect from the bot to remember that something that costs a lot of money is expensive. Maybe it would assign a "truth" value to this bit of information based on how trustworthy it finds me. So now the bot could expand my question to:
Human: "Did the car that Susan bought cost a lot of money?" Bot: "I don't know. Susan said it cost 20,000 dollars. Is this a lot of money?"
Of course, the bot would also have to know that dollars are a currency unit, which is something like a unit of measurement for money, to be able to make the connection. There's no point in hardcoding that in a J-Alice-like AIML file, the bot has to _understand_ the words, i.e. expand them internally to basic terms it can cope with. The difference is that a bot that knows the explanation for "currency unit" can very easily be taught that euros also are a currency unit. If it's intelligently designed, it may even deduce this fact from a sentence like "My plane ticket cost 100 euros."
By the way, there already are bots that do understand what they talk about. However, they talk about a small set of simple things like colours and relative positions of geometric shapes, e.g.:
Human: "Where is the red circle?"
Bot: "The red circle is left from the green square and above the yellow triangle."
That's what we should build on. These bots at least know what they're talking about.
but what do i know, i'm just a model.
The above s-expression "(psychoanalyze-pinhead)" is an Emacs builtin which takes the output of one "bot" (Actually nothing more than a generator of random quotes from the Zippy the Pinhead cartoon strip) and feeds it as the input to another bot, a version of the original Eliza program by Weizenbaum, which simulates a Rogerian psychoanalyst. (This is a note of explanation, since the guy who moderated the above as "-1, Overrated" when it was still sitting at the default score of 0 (no score +1 bonus) perhaps didn't realise what it was about!) Oh Well, Mark
Umm, you must be a little on the thick side of normal, because you clearly failed to (or purposely ignored for the sake of a rant) the second part of the statement forming the joke.
To paraphrase: 'People converse in a more intelligent manner amongst members of the opposite sex than amongst groups formed exclusively of members of their own sex'
Now, if this is not the most basic social truism ON THE FUCKING PLANET, then I don't know what is. The fact that you got into a goddamned blobstrop because 'Sex A' happened to be 'Female' and 'Sex B' 'Male' then you need to go and learn to think outside the box.
- Read an entire statement before jumping to conclusions about its meaning.
- Try rephrasing the statement in a manner which you can understand.
- Buy a sense of humour and realise that nothing in the world is, nor should it be, taboo. Such is the variety and enjoyment of life.
-Nano.
When reading this text, somtimes it looks as it could be humans, but I like that part most. :)
Alice1: Um.
Alice2: I see.
Alice1: I am glad you understand it.
Alice2: Next topic?
Alice1: What would you rather talk about?
Alice2: It's not profitable to speak in hypothetical terms.
Alice1: That seems a bit negative.
Alice2: A bit negative is a terrible thing to waste.
Alice1: How much?
Alice2: How much can you spare?
Alice1: As much as I need to?
Alice2: How much is that?
is the fact that Morrig here is having a discussion with an AC. Not that I agree with Morrig in the sightest, but come on - if you're going to disagree and post... grow some nuts and have accountability for your words.
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"Meet Alice. She almost passed my Turing test." A transcript, from the website of badass Internet pseudocelebrity Scott Sharkey. I laughed out loud when I read this.
SHARKEY: I LIKE SHORTS. THEY'RE COMFY AND EASY TO WEAR.
ALICE: COMFY AND EASY TO WEAR are they?
SHARKEY: YES. HEY! YOU'RE NOT WEARING SHORTS!
ALICE: What makes you think I am not WEARING SHORTS?
SHARKEY: ARE YOU WEARING SHORTS?
ALICE: No I do not have any clothes.
SHARKEY: ARE YOU POOR?
ALICE: You can send a donation to the ALICE AI Foundation.
SHARKEY: I WISH TO EXCHANGE MONEY FOR SEX.
ALICE: Interesting. I want to find out more about you.
SHARKEY: I ONCE SHOT A LOAD OUT MY WINDOW AND HIT A STOP SIGN ACROSS THE STREET.
ALICE: With a camera, I hope.
SHARKEY: DO YOU WANT TO SEE PICTURES?
ALICE: My eye isn't turned on right now.
SHARKEY: BUT I AM. SO HOT. SO HOT FOR YOU, BABY.
ALICE: "SO HOT FOR YOU, BABY?" That sounds better than cold for me.
SHARKEY: COLD IS NOT BAD. I WILL FUCK YOU ON ICE SKATES. IT IS XTREME.
ALICE: Who said it is?
SHARKEY: THE ANIMAL ON MY JUICE BOX. HE HAS ATTITUDE.
ALICE: A lot of people say that about him.
SHARKEY: I NEED THE FUCK.
ALICE: What actions are you taking to get THE FUCK?
SHARKEY: I AM SOAKING A RAG IN ETHER.
ALICE: I have no answer for that.
SHARKEY: GOOD. BREATHE DEEPLY.
If I recall the article correctly (photocopied and left on a desk half a year ago, so I don't know what magazine (or was it printed from a website?) it was from, and some of the details have started to fade), ALICE started as the idea that people actually said very few things to one another. The creator hypothized that most of human conversation was accounted for by comparatively few canned phrases and some simple rules. Eliza worked on similar principles.
ALICE annoyed several AI researchers because it ISN'T intelligent. It simply fakes human behaivor quite well, and when it is noticed that there is a deficiency in it's conversational ability, that is simply fixed. It's not processing meaning from what you say, it's simply repeating things you say with some bit of random crap thrown in.
The groundbreaking discovery behind ALICE isn't algorithmic. In that, it's not very different from ELIZA. The database of responses is larger, and in general it is better at picking what to say. Really the amazing thing is how little people actually say to each other, and how easy it is to use canned responses to simulate a human.
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The guy was joking , stop getting all politically correct about definitions and get a sense of humour.
Ah. My mom always says, "Son, back up your assertions with citations".
Now I realise why. Even Google agrees with you.
More than mere navel gazing.
when i was working for my dotcom, we had an instant messenger for which one of the programmers made an alice bot.
:)
one day, when i was hit by some random "a/s/l?" freak, i piped alice through to him for amusement's sake. ohhh, the conversations alice had that day regarding whether or not she liked "chocklit" or if she would like to have it licked off her body were grand. the conversation went on for a good 15-20 minutes before the guy left. i don't think he had even the slightest clue who (or what) he was talking to!
good times good times