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Genesi Introduces Dedicated MorphOS PCs
Velcro_SP writes "When was the last time a company had the nerve to attempt a worldwide introduction of an all-new desktop computer with dedicated OS? Genesi has been demonstrating
prototypes all around Europe, most recently in Poland, in the USA, and is even making noise about Moscow. Throwing all caution to the wind they are moving past beta stage, announcing the consumer release scheduled to occur at an Aachen, Germany convention on December 7th and 8th. The Pegasos is a PPC processor-based computer designed and manufactured in Europe. It runs MorphOS, a PPC OS based on the Quark microkernel."
this looks aweful similar to the thing that amiga, are doing, seems like they are settgin themselves up for comepetition. i hope this wont go the same way the BeBox went
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Linux? :)
And of course: "Imagine a Beowolf cluster of these?"
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When was the last time a company had the nerve to attempt a worldwide introduction of an all-new desktop computer with dedicated OS?
Ever heard of Be, Inc. or the Be Box?
Desperation is a stinky cologne
...a Mosix cluster of these?
You can clearly see winamp or xmms in this picture. Does that mean their kernel supports windows/elf binaries?
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Even Moscow?! The devil you say!
I click the second link, and after some digging, figure out that this is a legacy free port of the old Amiga OS.
My question is, what is this? An OS for microwaves? Graphics/Multimedia a la BeOS? Something to hack with? Or is it all about Amiga nostalgia?
"A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
Excuse me, but NetBSD is the king.
"When was the last time a company had the nerve to attempt a worldwide introduction of an all-new desktop computer with dedicated OS?"
Umm, the BeBox/BeOS and NeXTCube with NextStep come to mind.
So, how long till *these* guys get a buyout off from Apple?
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " -Albert Einstein
Well, if they did, they sure as hell didn't come to the USA.
That looks like a microwave oven :D
Is that winamp?
will be on this like stink on shit!
When was the last time a company had the nerve to attempt a worldwide introduction of an all-new desktop computer with dedicated OS?
Well, SGI had a neat little thing going there for a couple of years. Look where they are now. "But their machines are still used for rendering blah blah blah" Yeah and Hasselhoff is big in Germany, your point?
It runs MorphOS, a PPC OS based on the Quark microkernel.
Don't know too mych about Morph, isn't it designed to play ROMS for amiga games or something fairly niche like that?
I don't really think this is big news. What is the target market for this thing? How far could it even go? Linux can't even make a dent in the windows marketplace, and look at all the muscle they have behind them. (take it easy now folks, Linux is great and I pray to the penguin every night, just demonstrating how far this thing will or will not go) Down boy!
If this article confuses you, don't worry. It was posted yesterday in a much clearer fashion.
by your post that any asshole can get a Slashdot account. Even a dimwit like you who makes Dubya look like mensa material.
In America they never existed
This document was written to describe MorphOS, how it came about, its workings, its current status and future plans. Special thanks go to bplan and the MorphOS developers for the great deal of assistance given.
Introduction
MorphOS is a new Operating System for PowerPC RISC microprocessors which runs on the Pegasos computer and PowerUP (CyberstormPPC, BlizzardPPC) expansion cards for the Amiga. It has also been tested on the Mai Logic Teron CX and Teron PX evaluation boards. In the future MorphOS will also run on other Open Firmware based PowerPC machines and possibly some PowerPC based Apple Macintosh computers as well.
It currently runs on 603e, 604e, 750 and 7400 (Original G4) PowerPC processors.
MorphOS is a well named combination of the old and the new. It originally started in 1995 with a plan to migrate Amiga to PowerPC but eventually 'morphed' into an entire Operating System in it's own right which includes compatibility with Amiga applications. In the future it will change again becoming a truly modern, highly advanced operating system yet retaining compatibility with existing applications through it's system of OS boxes.
In the Beginning - The History of MorphOS
To add some perspective and for completeness, before going into detail, this section describes how the MorphOS project started and it's subsequent history.
The Amiga started on its long arduous path to the PowerPC processor in 1995. While there have been and still are other projects to do this, with MorphOS 1.0 the original project is finally being completed.
In September 1995 there was an agreement between Amiga Technologies and the German company phase5 to develop a migration path for the Amiga to move to the PowerPC from the Motorola 680x0 (68K) series processors which were coming to the end of their life, this was the genesis of the MorphOS project.
Unfortunately this agreement was short-lived as Amiga Technologies' parent company Escom went bankrupt. However the project did not die as phase5 decided to go ahead and continue with the migration process. This lead to phase5 launching in 1997 a series of PowerUP add-on cards for the Amiga providing RISC based acceleration for the first time. Programs ran on both the 68K and some functions were accelerated through the use of the PowerPC processor and a PPC native library.
There were many plans made and agreements between phase5 and other companies but as the numerous twists and turns in the Amiga story occurred companies went out of business and none of these plans came to fruition, eventually with the decline in the Amiga market phase5 themselves went bankrupt. Later a new company, bplan was formed and the project was picked up again but this time it was to be completed as an Operating System in it's own right without any components from the original. In 2000 as it moved towards completion, MorphOS was released as a public beta for PowerUP card owners.
The 2002 public MorphOS 1.0 release on the PowerPC based Pegasos represents the final chapter in the 7 year long transition to PowerPC from the original 68K based propriety hardware. MorphOS does not require the original hardware or include any of the original system software but it does very much include the same spirit and feeling - a computer which is fast and fun to use!
The Structure of MorphOS
The MorphOS System is based around the minimalist Quark microkernel. On top of the kernel are currently two "Boxes" the first, currently in the final stages of development is the A-Box, the second box currently in development is the significantly more advanced Q-Box.
At the time of writing (November 2002) most development has focused on the A-Box but considerable design work has been done on the Q-Box.
The A-Box can run Amiga RTG (Re-Targetable Graphics) applications as it includes a complete PowerPC native clean-room reimplementation of version 3.1 of the Amigas' Operating System (herein AOS) and a JIT (Just In Time compiler) based 68K emulator.
The Q-Box on the other hand shall be new and will require it's own applications, but by including compatibility with Amiga applications through the A-Box, MorphOS is able to start with an existing, mature application base while the Q-Box is in development.
It is also possible that in the future other boxes may be added allowing compatibility with applications from other operating systems. Possibilities here are to add Unix / Linux and BeOS application compatibility. It should however be noted that these are only possibilities at this point and various issues have to be considered before adding compatibility for these systems.
The A-Box
The original purpose of MorphOS was to keep the Amiga alive by providing an upgrade path to modern hardware.
Users can already use emulators to run original applications on other platforms but these work by emulating the 68K processor and the custom chips. While this emulation is complete and accurate, a great deal of potential performance is lost in doing all the emulation.
While MorphOS has moved on from what it was originally built for it still retains compatibility with AOS 3.1. However it uses a different technique which allows software to take full advantage of modern hardware. The A-Box includes a clean-room implementation of the AOS 3.1 API created using publicly available documentation. This has been written and compiled on the PowerPC so it is nearly 100% native. There is also a 68K emulator for existing applications, the performance of which is boosted significantly by a JIT (Just In Time compiler) which converts 68K code into native PowerPC code then caches it largely removing the overhead emulation usually incurs. In addition to being native, the A-Box is faster than the original at running applications due to different techniques and being used withinthe system. This provides a further boost in system performance.
For maximum performance however it is a simple process to compile code natively to the PPC. This allows Amiga applications to take full advantage of the PowerPC CPUs' performance.
One important point to make however is that there is no emulation of the Amiga custom chips. Consequently MorphOS cannot itself run applications which require them. This is not as much of a problem as one might imagine since applications from AOS 2.0 onwards have been able to use API calls which are not hardware dependant. If a user wants to run applications which require the custom chips (e.g. many games), they can use UAE (Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator), this provides emulation of the full Amiga hardware and runs on various platforms including MorphOS.
AOS originally ran on what are now obsolete systems with only a fraction of the computing power available in today's modern microprocessors. Amiga speeds were quoted in MIPS (millions of instructions per second), the MIPS rating for a 1Ghz IBM G3 is over 2,000 times higher than the original 68000 based Amiga. Despite this the original Amigas responsiveness was - and still is - very high. Consequently, given that the A-Box provides a more efficient PPC native implementation, it's responsiveness will appear surprisingly fast to any PC owner especially given the relatively low clock speed (600MHz) of the initial systems.
File Systems Support
MorphOS supports a number of File Systems and others can be supported via plug-ins:
OFS (Original File System)
FFS (Fast File System)
FFS 2 (Fast File System 2)
PFS 3 (Professional File System 3)
SFS (Smart File System)
Chill Out - The Ambient Desktop The MorphOS desktop replacement for Workbench is called Ambient and being part of the A-Box feels like the environment it emulates. It is able however to take advantage of the changes and advancements in the graphics system so unlike the Amigas' Workbench it supports 24bit displays and blending. Displaying the contents of a window while it's moving is another feature provided by the graphics system used by Ambient. MUI (Magic User Interface) is also incorporated making Ambient highly customizable.
Other Graphical Enhancements
Unlike the original, the graphics system is now fully abstracted away from the hardware, it has also been significantly enhanced with many new features such as transparency and overlays. Accelerated 3D graphics are implemented using the Rave3D API and a wrapper for the Warp3D API is in development, OpenGL compatibility is also in the pipeline.
The Audio system has also been improved with the addition of AHI, this is a retarget table API for Audio so Applications can take advantage of systems with audio hardware better than the original (these days, all of them).
When launched AOS was a highly advanced operating system, it included pre-emptive multitasking in 1985 - a feature not added to other desktop Operating Systems (i.e. to Windows or MacOS) until much later. Compared to modern Operating Systems however, the Amiga has it's fair share of limitations, i.e. there is no memory protection or virtual memory present as standard.
Because it includes a faithful re-implementation of the AOS 3.1 API specification the A-Box design was largely fixed and could not be made radically different. Consequently the A-Box has many of the same basic limitations present in the original. Some of these have been worked around with extensions but in some cases the limitations are either too difficult or impossible to remove without completely breaking compatibility with applications. These however are limitations of the A-Box, not MorphOS as a whole, the Q-Box shall not have these problems.
Q - The Future of MorphOS
The Q-Box
Up to now the development has been concentrated on the A-Box. In the future this focus shall switch to Q.
Q shall consist of an enhanced Quark kernel, a set of servers to provide functionality and the Q-Box in which applications run. The Quark Kernel itself is very small providing a hardware abstraction layer, drivers, memory management and message passing. Most of the real work will be done in the servers, i.e. Networking, File System, GUI, Media, Security, 2D/3D Graphics etc.
Applications shall run in the Q-Box and make API calls via a message passing system. The API shall not be locked to any single programming language so application developers will not be required to learn a new language. The message passing is also extremely fast, instead of transferring the data in the message, the memory location of the message is remapped to the application where the message is due. Small messages are directly copied as this method is faster for very small amounts of data.
Scalability and Other Bits
The message passing system used within MorphOS means the system can be highly scalable. The components sending and receiving messages can be running on different processors or even physically different computers and the messages will still get there. A windowing system over a network (a-la The X Windowing System) could be implemented in this manner but the result is likely to be a great deal more responsive. An X Windows compatible wrapper is planned so X Windows applications can be ported but the resulting speed on the desktop will be very different from those using current X Windows implementations.
The distributed capability of Q messaging means clustering will be possible without having to rewrite the entire OS. Applications requiring massive numbers of processors will be relatively simple to write under Q. One requirement of large scale applications is a large memory footprint, workstations and large servers have been 64 bit for many years now but this is yet to reach consumer level Operating Systems. Q was designed with 64 bit capability in mind from the start, it shall not be a bolt-on to an existing 32 bit OS. Applications will, from the start have access to address ranges much, much larger than existing desktop Operating Systems.
Microkernel Vs Macro Kernel
A common problem encountered in the development of microkernel Operating Systems is speed. This is due to the CPU having to context switch back and forth between the kernel and user processes, context switching is expensive in terms of computing power. The consequence of this has been that many Operating Systems have switched from their original microkernel roots and become closer to a macrokernel by moving functionality into the kernel, i.e. Microsoft moved graphics into the Windows NT kernel, Be moved networking inside, Linux began as a macrokernel so includes everything. This technique provides a speed boost but at the cost of stability and security since different kernel tasks can potentially overwrite one another's memory.
Given the above, one might wonder why Q can be based on a microkernel (strictly speaking it's only "microkernel like") and still expected to perform well. The answer to this lies in the fact that MorphOS runs on PowerPC and not x86 CPUs. It is a problem with the x86 architecture that causes context switches to be computationally expensive. Context switching on the PowerPC is in the region of 10 times faster, similar in speed to a subroutine call. This means PowerPC Operating Systems can use a microkernel architecture with all it's advantages yet without the cost of slow context switches. There are no plans for an x86 version of MorphOS, if this changes there will no doubt be internal changes to accommodate the different processor architecture.
Transition
At time of writing the Quark kernel exists but is incomplete. The rest of Q is still only at the planning stage, the large details have been worked out but the fine details have yet to be filled in. Drivers are for instance included in the A-Box where they can get to the hardware directly. In the future the drivers shall be moved into the Quark kernel where they will be independent of the A-Box and indeed of any other boxes, this has the advantage of making them usable by all the boxes. This move has been pre-planned so drivers were written with it in mind and the move shall be a relatively trivial operation.
Vapour Where?
Almost all the information here about the Q-Box is in the future and this could lead to accusations of us generating vapourware. We are only setting out our goals here and how we plan to achieve them. However as is normal in the world of computing things change so this is all subject to change. Development of complex systems always takes a great deal of time, we are looking at ways of getting the system into the market as soon as possible but the final product will of course take time.
The future will expand on the work already done and provide MorphOS users with a truly modern Operating System designed and built by now long experienced developers who know the benefits and advantages of the past but also have the knowledge and experience of what not to do and the paths not to follow.
Further Information
For details of MorphOS news and links see: www.morphos-news.de
For more details of the Pegasos main board see: www.pegasosppc.com
v1.1 Copyright Thendic-France SARL November 2002
All terms and names used in this white paper are trademarks and property of their respective owners.
I think this is a good thing, as long as it is done right. Any poor moves make it harder for anyone to justify investing in a non wintel system. However, if they do it right and are at least somewhat successful, it would do wonders for the market. We all know that competition is good for the consumer, so lets hope that these guys are ready to be good competitors.
Someone get me a new CommodoreOne for Christmas.
Please, mod parent up!
Lisa: Where did all the smart people go? There cars are gone?
Ralph: Maybe they drove to the moon!
> When was the last time a company had the nerve
> to attempt a worldwide introduction of an
> all-new desktop computer with dedicated OS?
Apple iMac with Mac OS X.
I never understood why nobody ever went the route of making an Amiga-based PDA. 68k. Originally built for "low-resolution" (320x240). Lightweight OS with a small footprint. Plentiful applications already available.. and an interface that is extremely gratifying in its responsiveness.
*shrug*
The target of the Quark microkernel is to provide modern functionality for a new OS layer and to run as many RTG friendly applications we loved from our old Commodore(TM) A1000, A500, A2000, A1200, A3000(T) and A4000(T) systems as efficiently as possible.
Therefore we are doing an API compatible PPC reimplementation of the OS using our own and AROS' technology, which we call A-Box. The goal is to extend the A-Box with new functionalities which it painfully needs and also work on a new OS layer using Quark functionality called Q-Box.
Older software, which accesses the custom chip hardware, will directly play no role in our OS plans. This is because it would only hurt the project's goal to be as fast as possible as custom chip emulation requires too much cpu performance.
We believe that UAE is good enough to provide the functionality for applications that demand very true custom chip hardware emulation. Demos & Games are programs that are outdated very fast and they don't play such an important role to set the direction of future OS development. A version of UAE for MorphOS is available here.
Because we believe that the original OS design has strong limits for newer technology through its design structure, we also plan a completly fresh and clean OS layer on top of the Quark kernel (called Q-Box now).
The A-Box API was nice in its time, but today it has serious limitations because it doesn't hide OS structures and has no concept of memory ownership. This doesn't even cover all kinds of problems in many of the other system modules like layers, graphics, intuition or DOS which we at least try to resolve as far as possible with our A-Box extensions. As a consequence, we will not replicate the A-Box API in the Q-Box but we will try to do a new API without any compromises to the past but based on past experience.
There is a general MorphOS FAQ on the Support Page. This answers many general question you may have.
The people behind MorphOS have worked on most of the key products for this market since Commodore(TM) died. A few products we developed were:
Fastlane - First Zorro3 DMA SCSI controller
CyberStorm - First 68060 CPU card
CyberGraphX - The first 24Bit OS RTG
Several innovative Graphics Cards like
CyberVision64
CyberVision64/3D
CyberVisionPPC
CyberStormPPC & BlizzardPPC - The only PowerPC CPU cards & Wide SCSI system for this market
New Hardware developments
G-Rex - DMA capable PCI extension for the PowerUP cards
Pegasos - A PowerPC 2xAGP MicroATX CHRP system
Both will be supported by MorphOS
Anon cos i dont need the karma
AmigaOne
AmigaOS4 screenshots
Mainstream Launch
I'd say that Amiga is coming along as well.
For more powerful Screenshots showing the Pegasos (Motherboard) and MorphOS (Operating System) in action please go here. A lot of Galleries!
at doing what? With a sorry excuse for a thread implementation, and no smp support on any platform, wtf does it really got going for it. It runs on everything, but it doesn't run on anything well.
Genesi has been demonstrating prototypes all around Europe, most recently in Poland, in the USA, and is even making noise about Moscow.
:-)
Everytime they invent a new technology the first thing they try to do with it is invade Poland and Russia!
Get investment
Pay self well
and
A. go under blame it on M$
or
B. sell out to M$
goto 3
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good to see amiga inc. still kicking. The computer market needs more competition, not less. Lets hope this makes a dent in the MS empire.
is made by bPlan which used to be Phase5, a german hardware manufacturer. They made accelerator cards for both the Mac and the Amiga, and were the ones who brought PowerPC to the
Amiga.
Seems like they have teamed up with french Thendic, who are making the hardware now.
MorphOS is supposed to be able to run legacy Amiga software through emulation.
Yup, they are doing so well that they are 18 months behind their own release plan - a plan they STILL have on their website - see the link!
I checked the links in the article, but I couldn't find anything indicating who these machines are being marketed to, or for that matter what their USP would be against a Wintel or Mac box. Can anyone clue me in?
PS. This is not flamebait, I really would like to know what the plan is regarding these boxes.
-MT.
It seems to be missing from the article.
http://www.morphos.de/
AmigaOS4 screenshots
Jeebus. Those screen shots are even uglier than the ones on Red Hat's site.
I write in my journal
Prediction: It will gain a small but dedicated following but after a few years and mounting losses it will disappear from the market. Embittered geeks will vow to keep it going =somehow= for years and years.
How often do we have to learn this lesson? Small proprietary OSs are doomed propositions, especially when tied to a hardware architecture. Every few years we go through this again. Lisp machines, Amiga, OS/2, BeOS, etc. and on and on.
You have these choices in PC operating systems: Windows, Mac and the free OSs. And there's no guarantees on the Mac either. This thing is doomed. Maybe the *BSD is dying guy should beat the rush and start a "MorphOS is Dying" troll.
When you become dependent on a company with no business model or market for your technology, you are just BEGGING for a kick in the ass.
- Can't be done as well or better already, AND
- That a large number of people want, or could be induced to want?
i.e., what is the selling proposition here?TI understand this and look who won the DSP battle. (other reasons granted)
Moto will charge you twice the price for half the performance vs x86 and still wonder why they are not able to make inroads. By the way Coldfire next gen. 68k has done ok but they are fumbling / killing this as we speak, ARM / Xscale will be the winner.
Help fight continental drift.
For more information on this upcoming show in Aachen turn here.
Some further background info on MorphOS can be read here and here.
To see what last year's big Amiga fair is like, here you can see a welldone video coverage of last year's show.
cool, the machine itself looks like the quicktime player to me, like a screen cap got changed into a piece of hardware.
here's list of apps if anyone is interested and hasn't clicked over.
new software
program: version:
CVS 1.11.2
Frogger 2.05
Frogger Codecs 1.4
xquiz 1.2
nettoe 1.1
mp3ai release 0
deutex 4.4.0
tictactoe 1.2.1
surfboard 1.1.5
othello 0.03
ID3ren 1.1
wget 1.8.2
Mencoder CVS 06.10.2002
SDL 1.2.5
Poseidon 1.31
ahi.device 5.29
ScummVM CVS 23.09.2002
guigfxlib 19.2
Freeciv 1.13.1
ScummVM BE 0.2.0
frogger, heh, still got that one some of my coal burning macs, heh, if it's that same frogger that is!
Well, they actually don't present prototypes, these boards are the production version of the Pegasos MB. What is still in beta (and will still be for some time, probably till 8/Dec) is MorphOS.
A bit better. Done by "SimoAmi's".
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Another AmigaOS4 Screenshot
Matt Chaput is working on their GUI.
Concept picture
Front page
"None of the new screenshots show the default AmigaOS 4.0 appearance, although some of them contain certain elements or concepts that will become part of it. However, it is of little importance what the default will be as most every aspect of the GUI can be customized."
More proof of concept than anything.
http://www.gfxbase.com/wbshots/shots/darius.jpg
http://www.gfxbase.com/wbshots/shots/gburzynski.p
http://www.gfxbase.com/wbshots/shots/renkert.jpg
http://www.gfxbase.com/wbshots/shots/kelvin.jpg
http://www.gfxbase.com/wbshots/shots/sami.jpg
http://www.gfxbase.com/wbshots/shots/radzikowski.
http://www.gfxbase.com/wbshots/shots/stom.jpg
The above is YAM a mail app. in different user configurations.
Another interesting product which will be sold at the Aachen fair is the new Catweasel MK3 PCI/Flipper board. This PCI board can be used with AmigaOne boards, Pegasos boards, Classic Amigas and even ordinary PCs to read just about any disk format using ordinary mainstream diskdrives (including 880kb/1,76 MB Amiga disks), connect digital c64/Amiga/Atari joysticks, connect Amiga keyboards or even add a real c64 SID soundchip'.
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Here's a picture:
http://home.t-online.de/home/indcomp/bin/cwmk3.jp
For more infor turn here.
Previous slashdot coverage.
Also interesting for Retro fans is that an ATX form factor c64 clone will be launched at the upcoming fair as well. (No kidding!)
See this Slashdot story from 28 October.
This is great news! Since the Pegasos creators have previously reported getting both Linux and Mac-on-Linux to run, this means that finally people can have a less expensive Mac OS-running system! Granted, technically it's a violation of the OS X EULA to run it on anything but Apple hardware, but it's still a pretty cool idea.
When was the last time a company had the nerve to attempt a worldwide introduction of an all-new desktop computer with dedicated OS?
1997: Be, Inc.
moto411.com
It must take a really DENSE person to program one of those hahaha
ahhh.. i kill myself with those ones!
[cx]
Cheap booze? Easy Women?
Please stop stalking me, bro.
..and I'm still working on #2. If somebody REALLY figures it out, let me know.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
No, that's untrue. When I used my amiga it took standard disks, except they were double density and not HD. They held 880k of data when formatted, unlike DOS (760k?).
The only differences were in the software.
Mac disk drives back then apparently used a completely different method - spinning the disk at different rates or something. Then they changed to HD like everyone else. But I could certainly read PC formatted disks on the Amiga using the CrossDOS drivers.
The Amiga format actually ignores the physical sync hole in the disk, and writes in a sort of track-at-once mode. It *is* possible to read the disks with a standard PC floppy and controller, but only with low-level access to the controller (read: as a hackerly DOS util, perhaps portable to root-mode in *NIX).
However, as all the 'smarts' of a PC floppy are really in the controller, you can replace the controller with something a bit more flexible, as noted- Individual Computers' Catweasel being the leading example.
What's interesting is that the characteristic Amiga "click" comes from the use of what were then cheaper, non-PC drive movements that didn't support a diskchange switch (not that any PC software actually takes advantage of it today!).
At least one of the Amiga players ("Prayer," I believe) supports WinAMP skin compatibility. That's probably what you're looking at.
Someday, though, it should be possible to run Linux/*BSD under Quark, similar to mkLinux, allowing for a nicely stable (given Quark's apparent simplicity) and quick system with multiple concurrent OSes. That's MorphOS's advantage; Hyperion's OS4 may eventually prove a winner in flat-out performance... and may achieve stability more quickly, since thus far, all MorphOS development has been occurring *within* the unprotected "A-Box" emulation, which would be akin to Apple building all the new features of OS X inside the 'Classic' emulation.
Of course, this allows the MorphOS guys to provide a fast and functional Amiga-equivalent while working on whatever the native-mode "Q-Box" will turn out to be... but it also means that AInc/Hyperion's OS4 *may* have functional application protection quicker, where one app can't hose the entire running system. (IIRC, they *are* planning to hold that off for a few point releases, by which point MOS should be able to catch up.)
I agree with you on all accounts. An Amiga PDA would've only really made sense to a mass-market 2-3 years ago.. now it could be nothing more than a niche toy for the enthusiasts (sounding a little more like Amiga itself ;)) ..
...is that, eventually, it should be possible to build a much lither VMWare-like solution on it. This means multiple concurrent copies of a yet-to-be-developed qkLinux running on one box, perhaps with MOS as a frontend if you want, or not.
That's where the team seems to be trying to take things, anyway, and it'll be a few years before we see it realized... but no, it's still a bit more than a game emulator... more of a total system emulation, not entirely unlike the Linux-based 'Amithlon' product for x86.
Of course, OS4 will provide stiff competition on the Amiga-compatibility front... and the MOS team's public image steers like a cow, so it'll take them a while to make their destination clear.
The 'Problem: Motorola' thread covers half of it. The other half is the chipset- only recently has CPU emulation of ECS/AGA caught up to snuff, and the original designs, while not power-suckers on the order of the Athlon, weren't really meant for low-consumption portable devices.
When you're reliant on the custom chips for such simple things as standard system audio (meaning, until very recently, *everything* that needed to beep was hitting Gary or his equivalent directly), there isn't a lot you can do without them. That, combined with the hassle of 'crossgrading' to Coldfire, and the utter confusion over intellectual property ownership, is the reason it never happened.
Available distros should include Debian, and perhaps YDL or SuSE, among others. (Debian is pretty much a sure thing, can't remember the status of the others.)
;)
NetBSD is also in the works, and on the AmigaOne side of the fence (very similar hardware, using a different bootloader, so some minor porting work would be needed), they have a port of SuSE going too.
Basically, good *NIX support will be had for both the Pegasos and AmigaOne, even if neither group is playing it up just yet.
The question should be, will it run QNX?
There's a zillion motorola-based devices out there in the form of coldfire which should have no trouble running legacy 68000 code, so if you brought AmigaDOS (or AROS) to PalmOS you could probably run existing binaries. The best part is that all you would have to do is add a couple new drivers (which run in userspace) to the kernel ROM image and it should work okay. Well, and convince palm to port graffiti to AmigaDOS, or write your own HW recognition system.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
http://www.morphos-news.de/help.php?lg=en&id=i nst
"Its important, to have an 68040.library higher then 46.2 and quite a lot of memory, means, who has less then 32 MB should better not start (MOS itself gulps 16MB). Furthermore the AmigaROM 3.1 is needed (Version 40.68, incl. 40.70). It play no role, if this is in existant via the internal ROM or a ROM-File. If its a File, it has to be added to Butterfly/extensions at Kickstart! Without this ROM MorphOS wont start!
Maybe its also important to know, that MorphOS aims on OS3.1 compatibility, not on OS3.5 or 3.9, although it runs with both of them.
From OS3.5 on: Regretfully in this Versions there are still problems with "Reaction" left, so it might be, that when starting the Preferences in Sys:Prefs and change something there, the Amiga-Emulation-Box (A/Box) of MOS immediately freezes.
Another point: dont be worried at the installation, no files will deleted, overridden or otherwise changed. Improtant: Copy the files unchanged!
And dont worry, the copied files delete no others, they also dont disable the normal 68k-operating in any way.
Concret: If a file is named "blabla.elf", it will be copied as "blabla.elf" and not "blabla". "
you need 2 os'es to run this thing ? man..wierd logic
The Amiga and the South will rise again!
FreeBSD and many other OSes have near-perfect GNU/Linux emulation.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
You can buy a Catweasel III, and plug them straight into your PC-drive.
Check it out:
http://www.jschoenfeld.com/indexe.htm
Genesi Homepage
no, you are wrong....morphos is an new os, based on amigaos
and as Winuae still going strong, i can't see how this will fail.
You don't bring out a product at one time which reads PC and Mac floppy disks, which is called a SuperDrive, and then later bring out a DVD-RW and also call it a superdrive. Call it a SuperMegaDrive, or stick it up your ass and whistle, but don't call it a SuperDrive.
I agree; that annoyed me like the dickens myself. But you gotta give 'em credit for having called the drive chip for the *original* high density floppy drive the "Super Woz Interface Module" i.e. SWIM. In all those years of the wintel folks giving chips names like TI-78 Foo Interface Driver System , it was always comforting to read specs from Apple.
Of course, now the rest of the world has chips with names like Dragonball Z and Apple just makes iWhatever.
*sigh*.
Rustin
Data is the lever, rigor the fulcrum, brains the force that drives it all.
I heard morphos screenshots have been banned from da web, but I managed to take my own screenmshotz(I got betatester). I got one only for now, but it give a great idea of possible. You cleArly can see that windows can have iregular sizes and fonts not fixed, also pointer is like this. Also dock is really nice and you canb see mos amp running(a new great players for morphos). It does not run in pal screen but in very big hires 640 by 480 and so you can see much more. Here is the screensot, I will work hard to test the pegasus board and make motre shotz. Keep tjuned. I was in a hury cause of time, so sorry for making typos.
Morphos screenshot
Oh, I forgot. All Americans are idiots. Nothing intelligent ever happens in the USA, and just the stupid people of the world emmigrate to America.
Someone you trust is one of us.
They just worked... nicely.
What makes a man want to be a mouse? (Python's Flying Circus)
Well, you've got a point there, but it was all religious people who went there (almost the same thing =D), just look how much australia is prospering, and europe did only send criminals there (goverment controlled internet censorship and all kinds of nice things...=))
Lets hope they get it stable by Aachen. It kept falling over when I
saw it less than a month ago.
A bit better. Done by "SimoAmi's".
Another AmigaOS4 Screenshot
That's a photoshop job by a user (SimoAmi). It's not a screenshot of anything, and SimoAmi has nothing to do with AmigaOS 4+. He even contacted "Amiga, Inc." (LOL!), offering them his services but nothing happened.
Matt Chaput is working on their GUI.
Concept picture
No, he isn't. His old "Glow Icons" will be used just like before though. And that pic is yet another photoshop job, and it's 2 years old, from the days there were actual plans for an AmigaOS 5, which was supposed to be based on Tao's Elate/intent (then they "discovered" that it was impossible to use for a desktop OS).
The rest of the screenshots links show AmigaOS = 3.9, as tweaked by various users with hacks and patches.
The rest of the screenshots links show AmigaOS = 3.9
That was supposed to be "=< 3.9".
I swear.. if I even see ONE commercial with a young female spokesmodel saying, "Hello Navi" I'll seriously sell my TV :P
~Love is trusting, love is honest, love is not a hand that holds you down.~ "You Wanted More" - Tonic
Yeah, and look how many Amiga titles are blowing off the shelves in droves. Snort.
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Time to review history:
It should also be noted, that in order to design system add-ons that would play nice with Amiga OS, the people behind these products were given a chance to review the source code for the Amiga OS, in hopes that they could better integrate their products with the OS.
This was back in the days of ESCOM, when any and all attempts to keep third party development active was tried by the management of Amiga Technologies.
They were not the only ones who saw the source, others did as well. But the others are not developing an OS based on the Amiga OS and it's technologies either.
However often the MOS team denies this fact of history, it is a fact. It has been stated many times before by people who know about that chapter of Amiga history, as they were part of Amiga Technologies.
The fact is, MOS is, in part, based on Amiga's IP. They can claim it isn't anymore, but, still, it's prime developers SAW THE SOURCE for AmigaOS.
For that reason, MorphOS will never make it to a commercial product.
They had their chance to play on the Amiga team, but blew it.
Blatant flamebait, and look at the mod points. bigoted fuck-weasel moderators, and bigoted fuck-weasel poster. Go ahead and mod me DOWN, I expect no less from the euro-trash America bashing leftist that modded this one up.
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