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Linux Kernel 2.2.23 Released
sekra writes "Alan Cox has released a new version of the 2.2 kernel. 2.2.23-rc2 was renamed to 2.2.23 without any changes. You can find the ChangeLog in his announcement and download the patch from your local mirror."
There seems to be a flurry of releases this weekend.
Oh no! Wait! Not even another line!
Thanks for the announcement.
People complain about duplicate stores... Imagine what I thought when I read about a 2.2 kernel being newly released! :)
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suwain_2
Who cares it might be obsolete?? As long as anyone wants to use it it will be around and updated. Its open source remember?
While the 2.4 releases are (barely) newsworthy, why this? Are some people still using the _latest_ 2.2 kernels? Is there a reason to update to 2.2.x if you can't go 2.4 for some reason?
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It has USB support, and it can be patched for most FSs.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
I can't stress enough the need to support older versions of the linux kernel if only for those people who simply can't switch for some reason.
:)
It may seem like a waste of time, but it's not. It's good to have older versions of the linux kernel still being maintained. Let's not be Autodesk or Microsoft, we're doing support the right way
Karma cannot be described by words alone.
2.2.x it's the best for old computers, besides not everyone have AMD,Inetll - 2_GHz on VIA_Kt-400 with DDR ;-)
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not all of us want to run out and spend money on a new server for something simple, like a mail server or a archive box or whatnot.
a 486 will work just fine, my friend, you don't need a 4 Ghz machine to run a M: drive for your network.
Indeed. Those of us with *old* machines that still serve some function (and I'm talking about 486) are delighted to know that older, less demanding kernel versions are still maintained.
No sig
I picked up a SparcServer1000E recently for nothing. 2.2.x series kernels are the only choice for me since sun4d architecture isn't supported under the 2.4.x kernels...
Such a pity since I'd like to use LVM etc...
Still.. I'm too dumb to fix it myself...
Most everyone who is making critical systems and embedded systems.
the world is a lot larger than your house.
I have a combined mail/news/gateway server running on a 486 with a 2.4.19 kernel. Would switching to a 2.2 kernel improve performance significantly?
My router uses a floppy-based distro and that has the 2.2 kernel, and I really see no reason why I would want 2.4 on that old box. It isn't broken, so it doesn't need an upgrade to 2.4. You could say that it isn't very vulnerable to the mentioned problem either, because if someone got access to it, I would have a far bigger problem than them crashing my router. Others may have other uses for 2.2, so a fix of the mentioned problem is definately a Good Thing[tm] and nice news.
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Embedded developers. When you're running on a low-power CPU and 4MB (or less) RAM and no swap you tend to value small footprint over kewl features. No reason my microwave oven needs USB, low latency, ReiserFS, etc. But what it DOES need is to be cheap to produce and reliable as all hell. Old kerels are MUCH more predictable too, they've got a lot longer to shake out the major bugs. I wouldn't want my hot-water heater running 2.4.11 now would I?
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With the end-of-life nearing for DOS, Windows 3.1 and Windows95, leaving only Win2K and WinXP, from that other vendor, you'd think everyone would be happy to see that older hardware is still usable under Linuux using kernels that are inherently less resource-intensive.
You can't have it both ways folks...
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Any for the record... I use Debian, and am running 2.4.19. And I'm pretty sure that even the "main" distribution of Debian now comes with a 2.4 kernel.
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suwain_2
> Any for the record... I use Debian, and am running 2.4.19. And I'm pretty sure that even the "main" distribution of Debian now comes with a 2.4 kernel.
;-)
Debian 3 install 2.2 by default but has the OPTION of 2.4 afaik.
Which is near enough for most people, I mena if you are using debian then you should be up to selecting a few options
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Well, that was a nice kernel, worked fine, even with X, on a hardware that win95 had made obsolete. The motherboard had seven ISA slots, four free after the multi-IO, network, and CD-ROM went in. I did some hardware development on ISA cards. Too bad, no more. These days only industrial hardware, in the $5000+ range, have ISA slots, and PCI development can't be done by hobbyists.
On the other hand, if you have new hardware like e.g. a nforce2-board: use and test the newest kernel versions. I for my part am anxiously waiting for the new X86 version which will support the new Intel 845G chipsets.
I work in a robotics lab and several of our robots are running 2.0. Why? The company that built them wrote drivers that run in 2.0 and they've since gone out of business. As long as the kernel is stable, which it is, it's not worth the development effort for us to write new 2.2 or 2.4 drivers. Given that the robot cost about $60K, we're also not eager to run out and buy a new one.
So long, and thanks for all the Phish
Forgive the stupid question, but would it be possible to replace my current kernel (2.4.18) with this older one (2.2.23) if I wanted to run Linux on an older machine (P200)? From what I can see here, 2.2 is less resource-intensive than 2.4.
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I have a 486/25 laptop with 8 megs of RAM. I have tried several differant kernels from the 2.0 series, 2.2 series, and 2.4 series. Surprise! 2.4.18 was the 'fastest' kernel. It takes less than a second to start tcsh (for the first time) vs almost 2 seconds with a similarly configured 2.0 kernel. The performance improvements in newer kernels well balance out what little bloat has made it's way in to the core kernel.
Not enough to make it worth the hassle.
I would like to see if I can set up a lighter system on my 486, so my mom can use the web and email. A GUI, compatibility with modern webpages and ease of use are a requirement.
Presently I have windows 3.11 + Calmira (a very lightweight program that gives you a win95 interface under 3.x). I can run the 16-bit version of IE5 there just fine, though it takes a few seconds to boot.
Can I do this with an older Linux kernel? I remember that 2 year ago your average distro ran very slowly on my recently deceased MMX pentium so I definitely cant use anything standar like that on my 486.
I was thinking that given its infinite customizability an LFS setup could breathe new life into the ole bugger. Is it worth it to move to an older kernel and lose compatibility with modern apps?
Wouldnt the apps be more resource-intensive than the kernel? I shudder at the thought of how slow mozilla would be on that box. Does opera require a 2.4 kernel? Does IceWM? Is there anything lighter than IceWM with a win95 look? Any general advice?
Yeah, and who cares about stability anyway?
Exactly, I don't need no stinking sta - - - Connection to host lost.
Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
Just start kernel 'bf24' at the lilo prompt before the install, and you're off and running on 2.4
err what exactly is an M: drive?
Carpe meam simiam!
Plus, a lot of people with mission-critical servers don't upgrade the kernels -- they have a "If it ain't broken, fix it." There's no reason to reboot your webserver raking in big bucks just so you're running the latest, shiniest, kernel. Of course, the people who ignore the big security issues and just don't want to ruin their 500+ day uptimes... are idiots. :)
This is why a microkernel architecture is much better where the OS has well defined interfaces to other subsystems. If one subsystem is screwed up, you fix it without affecting other parts.
Case in point: system-space v.s. user-space with syscall interface. When did you last see a user-space program broken because of a kernel update in Linux?
This doesn't mean that a monolithic approach that Linux takes is bad; they can theoretically achieve the same feat as microkernels(as they have dynamic module support already). For example, take the NFS modules in 2.2 and throw them into 2.4.
I am so sick of seeing the standard, "Why did we post this stupid story?" questions. Hey people read the FAQ The pertinent answer is copied below. Secondly, if you think it is just blah news, or unimportant, just skip the headlines -- surely you don't read everything in the newspaper, you read what YOU are interested in. The newspaper reports what it decides to.
Why did you post story X?
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Last Modified: 6/26/00
Guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription.. is more cowbell!
I had no problem with kernel 2.4.19 and Intel's 845G chipset.
(snip from dmesg...)
Linux version 2.4.19 (root@tux) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #5 Fri Nov 29 19:45:26 PST 2002
Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=slack8-1 ro
Initializing CPU#0
Detected 2524.974 MHz processor.
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 5033.16 BogoMIPS
Memory: 256852k/261588k available
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz stepping 07
Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann
agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 203M
agpgart: Detected Intel i845G chipset
agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xe8000000
As far as your nForce2 board goes, you can
download the linux drivers from nvidia.
Linux nForce driver.
I happily run Debian with fvwm2, a 2.4 kernel, and even mozilla (gasp) on a Pentium.
/bin/login. Obviously, I had to compile the kernel on a faster machine, because it would have taken years on the 486.
A 486 is definitely another story, though. I put OpenBSD on a 486SX a few years back, and it took maybe an hour to boot. I had to compile a minimalist kernel and turn off a few daemons just to stop it from swapping like mad on boot scripts and
On the topic of kernel size, I can't seem to get a Linux 2.4 bzImage in under 1.2MB. (Maybe 4MB uncompressed) 2.2, however, will happily churn out 700KB kernels. Good for keeping the swappage healthy on low memory machines.
only if its running on P4s!
I want 2D games back.
Kindly take every 486 in working condition you can find and drop it off at my house. A dozen will do nicely thank you. Hell, I'll even take a few busted ones in the lot.
And while you're here I've got a few NST's ( Nice Shiney Things) to sell you. Cheap Price, especial just for you, mi Amigo, orginal, from di ruins.
Glad to know that stability is no longer a needed feature of servers.
Sorry for biting the bait though. It wasn't even a very good troll.
KFG
it's still possible to buy or download older distros if you're starting from scratch. This makes sure that everything is coordinated on the software/library front.
If you have no need for the latest Windows workalike GUI or certain hardware support it may even well be the "correct" way to go.
Red Hat 5.2 is a real workhorse of a distro.
On my old 486 VGA laptop I run mulinux which I belive still runs a 2.0x kernel. Boots from a single floppy and uses UMSDOS so it doesn't interfere with my Windows 3.11 install at all. If all you run is vi and some network tools this is really all you need.
There's lots of work still to be gotten out of older kernels.
KFG
Old kernel uses YOU!
Hey Taco! Looks like you're using the "infinite monkeys and typewriters" scheme to generate Ask Slashdots again...
I use 2.4, but your complaining is silly.
I have a PS/2 keyboard, as do 99% of PC users. I use a PS/2 mouse, which is getting a little less common, but *hardly* unheard of (esp. since Logitech makes PS/2-and-USB compatibile mice).
2.2 would work quite fine for a server.
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