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Sony, Matsushita Back Linux For Consumer Goods

malx writes "Says the Financial Times: 'Matsushita and Sony have agreed to jointly develop the Linux operating system for digital consumer electronic products, in a highly unusual and cooperative deal between two of the fiercest rivals in the industry.' Interesting because Sony and Matsushita are bitter foes: this shows they're even more scared of Microsoft." update Sorry, it's a dupe.

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  1. For more information.. by vidnet · · Score: 5, Funny

    For more information, see here.

    1. Re:For more information.. by ajs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Slashdot really needs an editor-in-cheif. It's not that they need someone to even out the stylistic content or even to fix the spelling (spalling, if you prefer), but constant streams of duplicate articles are just getting silly. Someone should at least know what's going up on the site.

      I think the problem with that is that Slashdot is essentially a congress-of-peers at the editor level, and they don't want to relegate everyone but one to "culling the crap" status while one of them coordinates and edits.

      I can sympathize, but is there any other way? Perhaps cull the crap to a "pre-post" list that we can comment on and point out duplicates and/or inaccuracies? That's been shot down before too.

    2. Re:For more information.. by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sympathize my ass. The *least* they could do is just take a friggin look at the site and see that the dupe even appears on the front page - just a few stories below.

      Its not as if this is a dupe from a few days ago - and isnt visable without searching. This is a dupe within just a few hours.

    3. Re:For more information.. by haggar · · Score: 2

      What I was most surpirised to see is that the dupe wasn't posted by CmdrTaco. The other guys, with the exception of Hemos and Robilmo, seemed pretty pedantic about it. Well, pedantic in Slashdot terms, at least. Notice how other similar sits, like OSNews.com and theregister.co.uk never post dupes, even though the amount of news items is about the same. Not to say that The Register has tons of original material, so the people there actually do something. And OSNews has a lot of original material, too, but there much of it is contributed by community members (which is great!).

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    4. Re:For more information.. by kill-hup · · Score: 3, Informative
      Warning - OT!

      "maybe it's time for the codemonkeys to hack their awesome perl script to automatically filter for "sameness" in an article compared against previous articles, and then make the editor click through to really post the article."

      I have seen this suggested quite a few times, more often recently, and thought it might be time to point out that Slashcode CVS appears to have this feature in admin.pl:

      Similar Stories:
      Q&A With Mister Dude Monday December 16, @05:17AM dude
      Dude! Monday November 25, @11:55AM dude

      (keying on word "dude";)

      I've tested it a bit and it seems to register a few too many false positives right now. Of course, I'm sure it's just having the kinks worked out.

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  2. fp by inteller · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No what this shows is that Sony is using Linux as a poster child in an anti-Microsoft marketing campaign. They could give a shit about Linux, they just want to fuel the fire.

  3. What is this, fark? by jerryasher · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead of a repeated slashdot story, how about some boobies?

  4. First dupe? by Gothmolly · · Score: 2
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  5. It's Slashdot! by RealBeanDip · · Score: 5, Funny

    News that matters so much, we post it twice, sometimes three times.

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  6. embedded devices.. by TracerJPN_USMC · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't wait to brush my teeth with the first linux powered toothbrush....

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  7. Dupe Dupe by anewsome · · Score: 4, Funny

    I I think think this this is is a a dupe dupe.

    1. Re:Dupe Dupe by mystik · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think the sick part is that I didn't even realize that you repeated every word, until I noticed the "dupe dupe" at the end.

      Slashdot has me well trained

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  8. Developing Linux? by GeckoFood · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, these two electronics behemoths will be building a Linux platform for consumer electronics. This will be another embedded version of Linux then. How will this be different from, say, BlueCat? BlueCat is an embedded Linux development platform and has the embedded kernel, plus the cross compiler and all the goodies you need. It targets multiple processors, too. Will there be any advantage to this new system over existing products?

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    1. Re:Developing Linux? by tsa · · Score: 2

      Mustn't you supply a copy of the GPL with your sig?

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  9. In other news LOTR The Two Towers in theaters by Mothra+the+III · · Score: 2, Funny

    and we will soon be seeing Linux in consumer electronics.

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  10. Wow by tigress · · Score: 4, Funny

    While the Sony's have lived in the modern world for awhile, and have gotten it, as well as being on both sides of it, Matsuhita electric is perhaps the most traditional and conservitive of Japanese companies. I have known these people (Matsushita) for much of my life, from some of their board members down. This is an organization so steeped in it's own traditions and dogma (yes, they really do have a "250 year" business plan, and never make fun of the founders light bulb socket :), with engineering departments so conservitivily organized, that for them to support open development of GPL software is really much like the Pope encouraging contraction!

    (Score:5, Interesting)

    O =)

  11. This has to be a joke by mao+che+minh · · Score: 2

    You guys have to be planning all of these dupes, right? Big joke, big ha-ha?

    1. Re:This has to be a joke by JPelorat · · Score: 2

      This just may be the earliest ever planning for an April Fool's Day prank..

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    2. Re:This has to be a joke by red_dragon · · Score: 2

      Indeed, I think that the next April Fools' Day joke will be... No Dupes!

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  12. feature request: user moderated articles by japer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There should be a way to moderate articles themselves (like posters comments) that way, if
    an article was modded to -10000 dupe, it wouldn't show up on my front page - if I'm logged in of course.

  13. I'm sorry... by dr_dank · · Score: 3, Funny
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  14. Good Old Speculation by n3rd · · Score: 2

    Interesting because Sony and Matsushita are bitter foes: this shows they're even more scared of Microsoft.

    I don't see how anything said in the article shows they are "scared of Microsoft". Not only that but the article goes on to mention Sony will still be using Windows on the Vaio. If they were truly "afraid" of Microsoft they would dump Windows.

    Maybe it's just me but the price and flexability of Linux made them choose it over Microsoft's products. In this case tt is a smart business decision both from a financial and technical standpoint.

    Perhaps I'm just an optimist.

  15. Solutions to dupe problem? by Greedo · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think we all agree that the duped article problem is only getting worse. Funny, but i don't remember see any articles duped in 2001 or earlier. Did something change at OSDN that might explain this?

    Anyway ... a simple check of any URLs posted in a new article against URLs in the previous month's articles would go along way to eliminating dupes. However, it wouldn't have caught this one, since the original article linked to a Sony press release, and this one links to a news site reporting the release.

    So what other ways (besides forcing a manual check) can we build into the slash code to help stop this in the future, before an article is posted? A comparison of similar words? Or do we add something for after-the-fact moderation: article meta-moderators who can delete an article if it's found to be a dupe?

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    1. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by goon+america · · Score: 2
      How about amazing glance-at-own-site technology? Maybe a read-over-what-you've-just-written-you-dummy perl script?

      Maybe we're not thinking on the right level. Remember that early episode of the Simpsons where they all went to Dr. Monroe and he let them give each other (too many) electric shocks? Something like that.

    2. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by BurritoWarrior · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what other ways (besides forcing a manual check) can we build into the slash code to help stop this in the future, before an article is posted?

      Any editor posting a dupe will:
      1. Have hot grits poured down his pants
      2. Be forced to use goatse as his desktop wallpaper
      3. Be sent someplace cold IN SOVIET RUSSIA.
      4. Problem solved
      5. ...???...
      6. Profit!!!

    3. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by miltimj · · Score: 5, Informative
      Is it that difficult to read the FAQ?

      For your convenience:

      Sometimes I see duplicate stories on Slashdot. What's up with that?

      These are just mistakes on the part of the staff. They happen. We have posted over ten thousand stories in our history. The occasional duplicate is inevitable.

      If you see a duplicate, you can mail the story's author. If the story is still quiet, we may pull it down. However, once the comments are rolling in, we often leave the story up so that the discussion can continue.

      Some people have suggested that there might be a software solution to this problem. If you think you've got one, visit the Slashcode site and submit a diff. As long as it isn't a performance hit, I'd consider using it. (Be aware however that the trick of searching for duplicate URLs isn't as helpful as you might think, since the same story can appear in multiple locations.)

      Answered by: CmdrTaco
      Last Modified: 10/28/00

      Why don't people quit complaining about duplicate articles and actually do something to solve it? (see above)

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    4. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by shaitand · · Score: 2

      Do you have any idea how many articles that really is? I don't know about you, but the default anybody page is puny compared to what loads when I view slashdot, I get a whole slew of articles in various categories I have selected in my preferences (as well as a goatseload of boxes full of yet more along the side of my screen).

  16. Sony by Skraut · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because I don't have time to read the story twice: Is this story about the Good Sony (The Linux on PS2 Sony) or the Bad Sony (one of the cornerstones of the RIAA)

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  17. Duplications and Introductions by smackdotcom · · Score: 5, Funny


    Timothy, Michael.

    Michael, Timothy.

    I just thought that you gentlemen might want to be introduced to one another, since you seem to share tastes in reading material.

    I mean, for pity's sake, as of my writing this, it's still on the front page.

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  18. A great site for Slashdot editors... by EnglishTim · · Score: 2

    ... it's called 'Slashdot'. You should read it sometime.

  19. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

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  20. Slashdot Poll - Top Slashdot Beefs by Mothra+the+III · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dupes
    Slashdot gets slashdotted
    Bitching about Karma Whores
    Dupes
    Beowulf clusters, first post and Soviet Russia
    Cowboy Neal gets duped

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  21. HIghly cooperative effort by zurab · · Score: 5, Funny

    To jumpstart their highly cooperative effort, and in an attempt to appease to many geeks, both Sony and Matsushita submitted news stories to Slashdot.org, a geek terrorist hangout.

    After both stories made the front page of the outlaw website, Sony and Matsushita expressed doubts about the level of cooperation.

    "If we can't get this right, how are we going to resolve more complex issues?" said Matsushita representative.

    Sony representative made a similar point, adding that the two companies will go back to being fierce rivals again.

  22. Pref by sporty · · Score: 2

    They should create a pref to put all dupes in just so I can turn it off.

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  23. Question by tmark · · Score: 5, Funny

    Exactly how much did VA Linux pay for you guys ?

  24. For additional info by Spunk · · Score: 2

    Similar article located here.

  25. I'll give you more information.. by am_human2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Get off your ass and type some code then...

    Quoted from the FAQ for all you lazy people. [*]


    Sometimes I see duplicate stories on Slashdot. What's up with that?

    If you see a duplicate, you can mail the story's author. If the story is still quiet, we may pull it down. However, once the comments are rolling in, we often leave the story up so that the discussion can continue.

    Some people have suggested that there might be a software solution to this problem. If you think you've got one, visit the Slashcode site and submit a diff. As long as it isn't a performance hit, I'd consider using it. (Be aware however that the trick of searching for duplicate URLs isn't as helpful as you might think, since the same story can appear in multiple locations.)

    Answered by: CmdrTaco
    Last Modified: 10/28/00


    [*] Also known as /. readers

    1. Re:I'll give you more information.. by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      How about a somewhat more simple solution: allow the deletion of stories by editors. They always seem to notice that it's a dupe *after* they post it... so allow them to delete it when they do notice! End of problem.

    2. Re:I'll give you more information.. by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      and it is /. policy not to delete duplicate articles that are generating a lot of comments

      Why? They're pretty much all negative, unhelpful comments anyway, and they could merely remove the story's link from the front page, whilst keeping the story accessible, so the people posting all their comments could continue to participate.

    3. Re:I'll give you more information.. by JPelorat · · Score: 2

      Well, perhaps they should buy mice with scroll wheels on them instead of blinky distracting lights or buttons shaped like boobies.

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    4. Re:I'll give you more information.. by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

      Ummm...did you even read the post you replied to? Or the FAQ on the topic? Which was quoted in the post you replied to? Apparently not. Here's the bit that's relevant to your comment:

      "If the story is still quiet, we may pull it down. However, once the comments are rolling in, we often leave the story up so that the discussion can continue."

    5. Re:I'll give you more information.. by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      Yes but when the discussion consists almost exclusively of (circa) 10 regurgitated ideas about how we could avoid dupe posts, I think that's a rather stupid policy. There's no 'lively debate' going on, and they could still keep the story active so the discussion could continue, and just not link to it from the front page.

    6. Re:I'll give you more information.. by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Get off your ass and type some code then...

      Just because a technical solution is theoretically possible doesn't mean it's the right way to solve the problem.

      The correct solution is for the editors to actually give a shit about their own site. Duplicate stories are not only irritating, they are disheartening. Everytime I see one I picture Taco (or whoever posted it) sitting around drooling on himself.. Probably laughing at how he can sit around and fuck off and get payed for it. It really pisses me off. If I let myself get away with such shit-poor work I'd kill myself.

  26. Re:Horrible Dupe by javatips · · Score: 2

    Looks like I boosted the color spec... should have written 4 colors!

  27. Slashdot Dupe Campaign by EnglishTim · · Score: 2

    follow my .sig...

  28. Here's a thought... by SilentReproach · · Score: 2, Funny
    How about we start keeping track of how many dupes each editor posts...this one counts for Timothy. Senor Taco gets a tally for the AOL post yesterday.

    Or, how about a new topic: "Duplicate Stories". This way, if we enjoy dupes, we can read them. Otherwise, we can exclude the Dupe topic.

    Oh, wait, what if we get dupes in the "Duplicate Stories" category?

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  29. Re:Instead of this dupe... by The+Ape+With+No+Name · · Score: 2

    So you posted this to the queue, eh? Read the guidelines!

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  31. Re:Sony by jcast · · Score: 2

    You mean is it a story about the Sony that's Helping Us, or about the Sony that's Trying to Kill Us?

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  32. Don't be a jackass. by glrotate · · Score: 3, Funny

    Slashdot posts about a dozen articles a day. If you factored in 5 minutes to verify the link, skim the article, and check for dupes it would total 60 MINUTES A DAY of work!

    Given the value of their stock options, don't you think they've got better things to do?

    1. Re:Don't be a jackass. by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      Know why they call him Commander Taco? Because that's all they can afford to pay him...3 plates of tacos daily. Taco Bell tacos, no less.

      Man, I had no idea VA's stock was so low. If that was an EKG they be running for the paddles.

  33. Re:Funny you can get dupes on /. by Kintanon · · Score: 2

    ME WANT! If this gets carried by my cable company I WILL get cable again!

    Kintanon

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  34. Karma Building Tip. by mshiltonj · · Score: 2

    You get karma from slashdot everything a story you submitted gets posted.

    To build your karma quickly, just submit, under your account, every story that get posted to slashdot. At the going rate of double-posts, the law of averages predicts that your karma will build quickly.

    The previous post of this article was only seven hours ago!

  35. Nice Troll... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

    "Interesting because Sony and Matsushita are bitter foes: this shows they're even more scared of Microsoft"

    Um no, this does not 'show they're even more scared of Microsoft'. Sony has always been the type of company to try to control every little aspect of any product they make. In a case like this, they can control the OS.

    Sony doesn't like sharing their pie. It has nothing to do with 'fear of Microsoft'.

  36. Re:Horrible Dupe by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

    There were at least two palettes. You could also have white, black, brown/red, and green if you wanted. There might have been as many as four palettes, but I'm not clear.

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  37. -1 Redundant by runlvl0 · · Score: 2


    This is a duplicate of the above post.

    Golly, it must be hard to keep up with everything posted on this site.

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  38. My big question ... by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 3

    Does OSDN actually PAY these "editor" guys ??

  39. Comments. by Tony-A · · Score: 2

    Are the comments (to the different headlines) substansively different?
    If the comments are different, does it really matter if the linked story happens to be the same?

  40. Re:What a joke by shaitand · · Score: 2

    It is their buisness, it is their responsibility, slashdot is not free contrary to what some people believe there is a buisness plan here. But you having a job really is beside the point. The whole point of OSS is that if you don't like something you can change it. It works because if enough people don't like something someone WILL change it. Whether or not you do anything when your not you do things outside the OSS world has nothing to do with whether or not your whinny ass is bitching about things you don't like in a system you could fix instead of bitching about.