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Sony, Matsushita Back Linux For Consumer Goods
malx writes "Says the Financial Times: 'Matsushita and Sony have agreed to jointly develop the Linux operating system for digital consumer electronic products, in a highly unusual and cooperative deal between two of the fiercest rivals in the industry.' Interesting because Sony and Matsushita are bitter foes: this shows they're even more scared of Microsoft." update Sorry, it's a dupe.
For more information, see here.
Why can't ye slashdot editors scroll down the homepage like the rest of us and see that this is a duplicate from just HOURS ago?
No what this shows is that Sony is using Linux as a poster child in an anti-Microsoft marketing campaign. They could give a shit about Linux, they just want to fuel the fire.
Instead of a repeated slashdot story, how about some boobies?
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I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
News that matters so much, we post it twice, sometimes three times.
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I can't wait to brush my teeth with the first linux powered toothbrush....
magnanomous.
I I think think this this is is a a dupe dupe.
So, these two electronics behemoths will be building a Linux platform for consumer electronics. This will be another embedded version of Linux then. How will this be different from, say, BlueCat? BlueCat is an embedded Linux development platform and has the embedded kernel, plus the cross compiler and all the goodies you need. It targets multiple processors, too. Will there be any advantage to this new system over existing products?
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES!
and we will soon be seeing Linux in consumer electronics.
Worst. Sig. Ever.
While the Sony's have lived in the modern world for awhile, and have gotten it, as well as being on both sides of it, Matsuhita electric is perhaps the most traditional and conservitive of Japanese companies. I have known these people (Matsushita) for much of my life, from some of their board members down. This is an organization so steeped in it's own traditions and dogma (yes, they really do have a "250 year" business plan, and never make fun of the founders light bulb socket :), with engineering departments so conservitivily organized, that for them to support open development of GPL software is really much like the Pope encouraging contraction!
(Score:5, Interesting)
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You guys have to be planning all of these dupes, right? Big joke, big ha-ha?
There should be a way to moderate articles themselves (like posters comments) that way, if
an article was modded to -10000 dupe, it wouldn't show up on my front page - if I'm logged in of course.
could you please repeat that?
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Interesting because Sony and Matsushita are bitter foes: this shows they're even more scared of Microsoft.
I don't see how anything said in the article shows they are "scared of Microsoft". Not only that but the article goes on to mention Sony will still be using Windows on the Vaio. If they were truly "afraid" of Microsoft they would dump Windows.
Maybe it's just me but the price and flexability of Linux made them choose it over Microsoft's products. In this case tt is a smart business decision both from a financial and technical standpoint.
Perhaps I'm just an optimist.
Probably the shortest Story Dupe Distance: 7 stories
Linux for Home Electronics
Posted by michael on Wednesday December 18, @08:26AM
Hmmmm... Where have I seen this before?
Score 0, Redundant.
I think we all agree that the duped article problem is only getting worse. Funny, but i don't remember see any articles duped in 2001 or earlier. Did something change at OSDN that might explain this?
... a simple check of any URLs posted in a new article against URLs in the previous month's articles would go along way to eliminating dupes. However, it wouldn't have caught this one, since the original article linked to a Sony press release, and this one links to a news site reporting the release.
Anyway
So what other ways (besides forcing a manual check) can we build into the slash code to help stop this in the future, before an article is posted? A comparison of similar words? Or do we add something for after-the-fact moderation: article meta-moderators who can delete an article if it's found to be a dupe?
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Looks like they're not trying to win over the Linux zealot with their PR departments. From the article:
"We are not forming an alliance to compete against Microsoft," said a Matsushita representative.
No matter what the Matsushita rep says, this *is* meant to distance themselves from Microsoft and save cash.
It's nice to see them helping out embedded Linux development. Of course, in the process, they are giving Linux a powerful ally in a new arena, but they want this to appear as if creating competition in Microsoft's market is an unintended consequence.
Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. --John Wayne
Because I don't have time to read the story twice: Is this story about the Good Sony (The Linux on PS2 Sony) or the Bad Sony (one of the cornerstones of the RIAA)
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Timothy, Michael.
Michael, Timothy.
I just thought that you gentlemen might want to be introduced to one another, since you seem to share tastes in reading material.
I mean, for pity's sake, as of my writing this, it's still on the front page.
In a world without walls, there is no need for Windows.
Gee, you mean the Pope talks like Data?
story dupes YOU!
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Hoping to do what MTV did for music -- man I hope NOT -- Blackbelt ...this sounds like if you have an ass, this channel will kick it. Maybe we could put Slashdot to good use here and let everyone know to be sure and request this channel from their local cable company, DirecTV, and Dish network!
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... it's called 'Slashdot'. You should read it sometime.
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Dupes
Slashdot gets slashdotted
Bitching about Karma Whores
Dupes
Beowulf clusters, first post and Soviet Russia
Cowboy Neal gets duped
Worst. Sig. Ever.
Moderator, I love you!
Story at NewsFactor
To jumpstart their highly cooperative effort, and in an attempt to appease to many geeks, both Sony and Matsushita submitted news stories to Slashdot.org, a geek terrorist hangout.
After both stories made the front page of the outlaw website, Sony and Matsushita expressed doubts about the level of cooperation.
"If we can't get this right, how are we going to resolve more complex issues?" said Matsushita representative.
Sony representative made a similar point, adding that the two companies will go back to being fierce rivals again.
While the Sony's have lived in the modern world for awhile, and have gotten it, as well as being on both sides of it, Matsuhita electric is perhaps the most traditional and conservitive of Japanese companies. I have known these people (Matsushita) for much of my life, from some of their board members down. This is an organization so steeped in it's own traditions and dogma (yes, they really do have a "250 year" business plan, and never make fun of the founders light bulb socket :), with engineering departments so conservitivily organized, that for them to support open development of GPL software is really much like the Pope encouraging contraction!
It makes good business sense to use GPL-ed software when you want to devise a new product. 1. Low cost or no cost. 2. If you give geeks a chance to play with it, they can start to tell regular people how it works, why they should get it, etc. 3. Since most "regular" people don't care or don't want to know why it works the way it does, if the people who care why it works (geeks), show others that it just works, others will be inclined to buy that product. The moral: Most people will buy something if it simply works. Sony and Panasonic are letting us make sure it works before they mass- release.
I'm already cringing at what I *know* is going to happen. They're going to release some stuff - exactly what they're obligated to - under the GPL. But other stuff - say DRM - will certainly NOT be under the GPL. Then there's going to be such a hoopla and whining in forums such as this one even though these companies have done exactly what they're obligated to. "They should give back to the community", etc, ad nauseum, and some people will be wondering why, if the open/free software implies some sort of larger obligation to a community, why these weren't written into the licenses.
I got so carried away with my own rhetoric that I neglected to tie it in to home electronics so here goes: Thirty years ago anyone who understood electronics theory and vacuum tubes could fix any home electronic device. Simply understanding how electronic circuits worked meant that a tech could move from one device to another. And manufacturers didn't have to design a new theory for each device, they just wired up the vacuum tubes in new ways which were still understandable. All a tech had to do was look at the schematic diagram, apply a few standard tools (oscilloscope, VTVM, signal injector, etc.) and he (or she) could make it work. So if Sony uses Linux in its latest widget and you understand Linux, you'll understand how your widget works and how to get the most out of your widget. Plus, since Sony didn't have to design a brand new widget-operating-system, you will either be able to buy it cheaper than the Samsung widget or it will do more... or both. And if your widget breaks you won't have to buy a new one, you can just flash the bios and make it just like new. So putting widely known operating systems into devices saves money for both the manufacturer and the consumer. This makes us all happier and a few of us wealthier. If you learn Linux, and Linux is the OS they put in all these devices, you have a better chance of joining that few. :)
I don't. I care about whether it is open. Do it use free, open standards, protocols, etc.? That's what is important. What I'm talking about is http://sincerechoice.org/ [sincerechoice.org].
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
They should create a pref to put all dupes in just so I can turn it off.
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Exactly how much did VA Linux pay for you guys ?
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Similar article located here.
Get off your ass and type some code then...
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..Slashdot should post the news that Google has opened the specs to their APIs!
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I think that for site editors, there should be a "clue-in" period, of about 10 minutes, starting when they first load the front page, during which they would not be allowed into the submission queue, giving them a chance to read the day's stories so far.
Ideally, there would also be some javascript onBlur handler that maked the timer stop when the page is not in the forground.
Are you on drug(s)?!! Why not?
Or, how about a new topic: "Duplicate Stories". This way, if we enjoy dupes, we can read them. Otherwise, we can exclude the Dupe topic.
Oh, wait, what if we get dupes in the "Duplicate Stories" category?
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I was Rollerblading in Central Park (NYC) back in '95 or so and bought a Snapple from a push-cart vender, apparently from the former Soviet Union. As I left, I gave him a peppy circa-'95 yuppy scum "Have a good day!" to which he responded "I haff no good day." It bummed me out for a quarter lap.
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Linux Backed by Sony, Matsushita For Consumer Goods
For Consumer Goods Sony, Matsushita Back Linux
For Consumer Goods Linux is Backed by Sony, Matsushita
Back Linux For Consumer Goods? Sony and Matsushita!
Sony, Matsushita Back Linux For Consumer Goods and Great Glory
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I'll believe it when the gadgets are in my hands. Could it be that these announcements are just used as bargaining chips during the regular meetings with the friendly software licensing department at Microsoft? This smells too much like the Home Depot fiasco reported in slashback yesterday.
You mean is it a story about the Sony that's Helping Us, or about the Sony that's Trying to Kill Us?
There are reasons why democracy does not work nearly as well as capitalism.
-- David D. Friedman
Slashdot posts about a dozen articles a day. If you factored in 5 minutes to verify the link, skim the article, and check for dupes it would total 60 MINUTES A DAY of work!
Given the value of their stock options, don't you think they've got better things to do?
Hey, don't ask me. I didn't write that thing. ;)
C'mon the first penguin was not holding a phone and a briefcase. So it's not quite a dupe, right???
A religious war is an adult version of a fight over who has the best imaginary friend
While the Sony's have lived in the modern world for awhile, and have gotten it, as well as being on both sides of it, Matsuhita electric is perhaps the most traditional and conservitive of Japanese companies. I have known these people (Matsushita) for much of my life, from some of their board members down. This is an organization so steeped in it's own traditions and dogma (yes, they really do have a "250 year" business plan, and never make fun of the founders light bulb socket :), with engineering departments so conservitivily organized, that for them to support open development of GPL software is really much like the Pope encouraging contraception!
Hmm, I see they've already been over it pretty thoroughly there, yep. But no one had pointed out the obligatory Star Trek angle there yet! ;)
I took a Matsushita like you wouldnt believe yesterday. I had to give a courtesy flush.
You get karma from slashdot everything a story you submitted gets posted.
To build your karma quickly, just submit, under your account, every story that get posted to slashdot. At the going rate of double-posts, the law of averages predicts that your karma will build quickly.
The previous post of this article was only seven hours ago!
Software Wars
"Interesting because Sony and Matsushita are bitter foes: this shows they're even more scared of Microsoft"
Um no, this does not 'show they're even more scared of Microsoft'. Sony has always been the type of company to try to control every little aspect of any product they make. In a case like this, they can control the OS.
Sony doesn't like sharing their pie. It has nothing to do with 'fear of Microsoft'.
I think this quote from the Devil's Dictionary describes this alliance best.
ALLIANCE, n.
In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pockets that they cannot separately plunder a third.
After all, in Soviet Russia, you don't read duplicate articles, articles duplicate you!
Oh I do so love the smell of a good owning in the evening.
"The saddest words of mice and men, are not those which were, but should have been."
Why not have the scripts which allow the post in the first place to scan the last X number of articles? Like 100 or so. If the old post contains a link to the same place as the current post, it notifies the poster before allowing them to post (ie: both the preview and submit buttons do this). The poster could be allowed to override the computer for whatever reason - but at least the notice (and appropriate HTTP URL) would be available to the user.
:-)
Also, it would be useful for posting follow-ups as well since the poster would not have to spend time searching for the original post. It would just be presented to them.
I see two ways to set up such a database.
1. Post -> URL
and
2. URL -> Post
#2 would be better since then the URL is only used once. Since record IDs are only 4 bytes (SlashDot hasn't gone past 2 Billion messages yet has it?) this method takes up less space than #1 and provides a complete list of where the URL was used. #2 could actually be URL->Post#1,Post#2,Post#3,etc....
Just a thought.
Someone put a black hole in my pocket and now I'm broke.
I guess I wouldn't mind dupes so much except, besides the redundancy, for every dupe that gets posted there's probably about 20 valid and informative stories that get rejected so instead of something that is news you get more cruft.
/. any day is a slow news day as far as submissions go. It'll be nice if someday a solution for this pops up.
It wouldn't be that bad if it was a slow news day but I don't think at
This is a duplicate of the above post.
Golly, it must be hard to keep up with everything posted on this site.
Carthago delenda est!
It is said in the FAQ that you guys might include a duplicate checker *IF* it didn't have a performance hit. Well, I would believe that this whole comment section for this article is just that. A performance hit. SOMEONE FIX THE DUPLICATES! It couldn't be worse than a fix. And seeing... not one, but TWO!!!!! articles on the front page. --agenthh
Does OSDN actually PAY these "editor" guys ??
Are the comments (to the different headlines) substansively different?
If the comments are different, does it really matter if the linked story happens to be the same?
It's at least the 421st time I see this story on slashdot (by RIAA's standards and considering I have a really fast connection)
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It is their buisness, it is their responsibility, slashdot is not free contrary to what some people believe there is a buisness plan here. But you having a job really is beside the point. The whole point of OSS is that if you don't like something you can change it. It works because if enough people don't like something someone WILL change it. Whether or not you do anything when your not you do things outside the OSS world has nothing to do with whether or not your whinny ass is bitching about things you don't like in a system you could fix instead of bitching about.
When a story is submitted, previous stories should be searched and the list of those that match should be presented to the reviewer sorted by matching percentage (the most matching would be on top). Then, the reviewer can easily decide if the story should appear in the front page or not.
I think that all it would take is a few lines of Perl.
Yeah, but that was really a post WWII mentality. I think since the burst of the late 80s real estate bubble over there the Japanese have realized the err of their ways and are reflecting on what is best for them. Breaking the US backbone, or breaking even. I hope they settle for the latter and don't try to do the former.
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and children. Nothing can lift those seven milestones from man's neck but
money; and the spirit cannot soar until the milestones are lifted.
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