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Sharp 3D Monitor Next Year
dOxxx writes "Sharp is bringing out a 3D monitor next year that requires no special glasses. It took them one day to convert Quake to work with the monitor. They are already selling cellphones in Japan for the NTT DoCoMo network with scaled-down versions of the screen."
For example, the 3D images are best viewed from 40 centimeters away
My eyes! They burn, they burn!!
If someone says something to the effect of "Think what this will do for porn", I will kick his nuts. Think what THAT will do for porn.
As opposed to those damned dull 3D monitors...
I seem to remember reading about this, or something very similar before.
The image depth relies on the system drawing the image on one of two physical layers and the distance between the two layers and the viewers position creates the 3D image.
Would there be any advantage in using more than two layers?
How long before some bozo starts making 3D ASCII Art? You KNOW someone will...
A Minesweeper clone that doesn't suck
I saw one of these at Sharp Space Town in Japan while looking for the new Zaurus C700, which incidentaly wasn't at that location. The monitor was very hard to look at, the different layers were very distinct and it was like looking at two images superimposed at different height. Was neat when you got just the right viewing angle, but pretty hard to maintain... you'd probably have to get a neck brace and not move your head at all =)
Can you imagine the poor sap that is sitting with his face just about 1.3 feet away from his screen with a TV card on his/her computer watching the big fight or some huge sports event?
"I have a cramp in my neck and I haven't moved out of this uncomfortable position in 3 hours but MY GOD... It looks like I'm gonna get sacked when they rush the quarterback! The chiropractor bills are worth it!"
"Want some chips?"
"I can barely BREATHE without the image distorting, let alone eat man!"
Let's hope they improve this before unleashing it on the masses.
----- I want my LART.
Do I now have to duck before a popup window cleans me up?
Would it really kill zdnet to include a picture with stories like this? I couldn't even find a link to the company the whole article was about. I can live w/ their obvious biases, but really, at least include a picture or at least a link to a picture.
...but I don't think that's possible.
"Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
I saw a picture of one of these things on the web, but it looked pretty 2-D to me.
Damn JPEG Compression! My eyes hurt!
None. But somehow I'm sure one-handed web surfers everywhere are celebrating.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Whenever I can I try to bring in a Shadowrun Reference. Hopefully without glasses, and hopefully soon they'll eliminate the box, and then eliminate the viewing angle and we'll have the wonderful world of trideo that will revolutionize TV viewing!
Oh wait, same crap, new dimension.
"3 Dimensions and not a damn thing to watch." *rimshot* *tomato splat*
Will this lower prices on normal Flat Panel Displays? It appears a 3D display would cost way more, thus making lower-end displays else less desirable, thus lowering their prices.
Imagine the future to of the interfaces and desktops, You could have true 3D layering of windows. Imagine flippping though folder heirachies in 3D.
I think you could also do some amazing screen savers. Flying Windows that look like they are going to clonk you in the head.
How long till we get OS support for these babies?
Modular Redundancy--Because 4 out of 5 Nodes agree
Ow! My Eye!
Microsoft and standards. Heh. Taking bets on wether the next Windows version will horribly ignore their own standards or not. :)
Hate me!
But, perhaps that's because I'm already using the Zaurus as a mobile platform for medical technology. And, I'm married.
Just goes to show that interpretation (and application) is dependent on the interpreter's context. . . (:
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
I keep hearing that. Does it actually mean anything, or stand for anything in particular? It is an unusual name.
Okay, so using an adjusted version of Quake doesn't count as being additional software? No additional software required seems a bit misleading in this case. Will we need a special patch for each new program? If so, who will offer/code these patches? The game developers or the monitor manufacturers?
free ipod? yeah.
Although several companies have come out with Web browser software and other technology to make images appear to pop off the screen, the Web largely remains a two-dimensional world.
Banner ads, popup ads... popoff ads... coming soon to a Sharp 3D monitor near you!
...will be the "Magic Eye Monitor," where you have to look just the right way for several hours before you can see whats on the screen.
This will be a kind of a sequel product, specifically marketed to the people whose eyes have been permanently crossed from the 3D model.
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Three-peat
...Also, I didn't know Buggalo could fly.
Except one problem. LCD's don't refresh at all. There is no moving dot drawing the pixels like there is on a CRT. That's why an LCD at any 'refresh' looks cleaner than an CRT at any refresh rate, when looking at a static image. Moving images LCDs have trouble with, because of the response times of the displays (the time it takes a pixel to change colors/brightness).
Where's my -1 (Moron)?
Or a TRS-80 Model I, from 25 years ago. Boy, Sharp is thinking really innovative stuff there.
Hey kids, there's only 5 days left 'til Yak Shaving Day!
Does anyone know where to see these things live. Any Screenshot will be useless. I am just wondering how good they are.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Earlier this year, the company showed off an LCD panel with an embedded Zilog microprocessor.
Sega did that years ago!
Exactly my point! LCD is crap for gaming, OLED is a much better prospect. OLED would have been a better choice here too since you can squeeze 20 OLED screens in the space of 2 LED screens.
The reason LCD sucks so bad for gaming is just like I pointed out, those crystals are a moving part, and it takes time for them to change alignment. With OLED you just pass a current BLAM lit pixel. Drop current and BLAM unlit pixel. LED you pass current to the crytals, wait for them to change alignment so the light can pass through. Same thing goes for turning a pixel off, wait time.
a little ms here, a little ms there, and it adds up.
We bought a similar LCD monitor for testing at work one and half year ago. It "supports" several viewers at once by alternating between the left and right image in several vertical "beams". There has been several stories about these monitors before.
It works quite well, but it is really a pain in the a** (neck?) to use.
Alignment, what alignment are you talking about? Pixels don't move, they change color intensities. In this 3D LCD, its really just 2 screens designed to be seen at two different angles to be trick your eyes into believing its "3D"
Moderators, can we get a (-1) Moron?
Besides, LCDs will have 30ms response RSN, and then it won't matter. At 25ms, you have time for 40FPS, which is more than most human eyes can distinguish.
hmmm... What would happen if you were blind in one eye? Would you see a 2d image or a bunch of stripy garbage?
Had it coming say police.
You're right, we do need a (-1) Moron. For you.
Liquid crystal displays have moving parts. Just because they're no-see-ums (well, no-see-shape-ums) doesn't make it less true.
You're right that most people can't distinguish consciously between 40 and 100Hz, but the headache you get from extended close up concentrated viewing (as when using a monitor actively rather than watching a TV or film passively) of bright 40Hz moving images is just as real as if you could.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
How quickly can you refresh... sorry, sorry redraw the entire screen on an LCD monitor?
Just because it doesn't flicker to and from blank doesn't mean it's not (when e.g. playing a game) displaying a series of discrete images at a limited rate.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
They actually had these on display at the Electronica show in Munich this year. The effect is impressive and works well. The horizontal resolution is fairly low and if you move past the display you get this wierd 'popping' image. You need to stay stationary for the best effect. I got the impression that there was some type of fresnel lens on the fronts of the panel. Cant wait until the resolution goes up!
It sounds like they are really proud of getting 3d without having to wear glasses...
1. No possible variance in viewing angle mentioned.
2. Good results only at 40cm.
So... even though this thing does not touch your head, you have to lock your head in synch with it for good results.
I think I'd rather wear the glasses.
f00k j00 twit. You could have come back with an intelligent argument but you called me a moron. F00k Y00.
Nice troll lord hunter. the parent is talking about the molecules in liquid crystal displays which have to line up and block the light coming from the backlight. This kind of device takes a lot more time to change state than a device which exploits the emission of photons from electrons which are jumping to a lower energy level (i.e. all light emitting diode technologies).
Try reading this site before calling anybody a moron.
I'm going to bite off a bit more here and respond to your second point: what's the point of having the most expensive, overclocked system that can render a complex game at huge fps if your monitor can only do 40fps? If you are building the ultimate system, you want the bottleneck to be in the user, not the system.
("Can't you see the extra fps? must be your eyes, then. certainly nothing wrong with my system.")
There are some 3D scenes that it makes sense to watch that way: 3D molecules, geometric models, etc. But I wouldn't expect the experience to be too realistic for 3D games or pr0n. But realistic or not, I suppose it might still be fun.
We perceive 3D shape in many ways. Stereo vision, which these displays provide is only one, and not really the most important one (many people don't have stereo vision at all). I think what would be much more exciting for games are displays with head tracking and peripheral vision; those give you much more of a feeling of "being there" than stereo vision. The ways to create such immersive displays is via something like "the Cave" (very expensive all-around projection) or head-mounted displays; both are unfortunately still expensive, but technologically, they are perhaps simpler than attempts at providing stereo vision.
MOD PARENT UP!!! I've been drooling over this company's 3D LCDs since the late 90s. You can buy one now from DTI. Up to 18"!
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