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All schools In Denmark switching to Linux

Someone who can read Danish writes "According to this story (in Danish) Denmark has taken the first steps to start using Linux and Staroffice in all schools (1.1 million students). Sun has agreed to provide Staroffice for free, or on a CD-ROM for 10 Danish crowns ($1.5)."

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  1. 10 Danish Crowns?!! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's absurd! There aren't even that many kings in Denmark!

  2. Universities in the US considering it as well by blacklambda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work as a Network Engineer in a state-run university in Pennsylvania. The new Microsoft lisence terms (a.k.a. software rental)are beginning to cause major worry in a 2500-plus seat environment where old versions running on ancient comptuers allow us to get by. The concept of moving to a StarOffice or other productivity suit us now (an a year ago unthinkable) being seriously considered.

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    1. Re:Universities in the US considering it as well by Chordonblue · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We might not be a university, but our school here in PA did it. We converted to Staroffice 6.0 for the teachers and lab computers. We also distribute Openoffice.org to all of the students. This is an important point, because as MS Office file formats become more and more fragmented (just wait until Office 11!), the need to unify on a single, usable format (like XML) becomes critical. While saving money on licenses is a bonus, the real savings for us is in the heartache of incompatible formats.

      Anyone here care to guess how many different incompatible programs our students have on their computers? Not counting the various (and sometimes) incompatible variations on MS Office, you also have the abortion known as MS Works. Then there's Lotus, WordPerfect... Hell, even NOTEPAD! And don't get me started about the different versions used from country to country. We have students who attend here from all over the world.

      We've been using Open/Staroffice now for well over a year and are not looking back anytime soon. There were some minor initial glitches, but this was due to our using the Openoffice.org betas. Star PP1 / Open 1.0.1 have been rock solid for us.

      Chuck Hunnefield
      Technology Coordinator
      Linden Hall School for Girls

      "They bought their tickets... They knew what they were getting into..."

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  3. Rotten by Gyan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Time for Gates to say "there's something rotten in Denmark" and get on the plane.

    1. Re:Rotten by JediTrainer · · Score: 3, Funny
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    2. Re:Rotten by iapetus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ballmer: [Reading] In the most high and palmy United States,
      A little ere the mightiest Apple fell,
      No PC stood OSless, and the servers all
      Did crash and gibber in the server rooms.
      And even the like precurse of fierce events,
      As harbingers preceding still the fates
      2000 and XP together demonstrate
      Unto our climature and countrymen.
      [Handing script to Marcellus] Slashdot is desperate with imagination.

      Gates: Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

      Ballmer: Heaven will direct it.

      Gates: Nay, let's buy it out.

      Ballmer: My lord, my lord!

      Gates: Illo, ho, ho, my lord!

      LINUS ENTERS

      Linus: Hillo, ho, ho, boy! Come, bird, come.

      Gates: How is't, my noble lord?

      Ballmer: What news, my lord?

      Linus: O, wonderful!

      Ballmer: Good my lord, tell it.

      Linus: No, you will embrace and extend it.

      Ballmer: Not I, my lord, by heaven!

      Gates: Nor I, my lord.

      Linus: How say you then? Would Linux give men source code?
      But you'll be secret?

      Both: Ay, by heaven, my lord.

      Linus: There's neer a student dwelling in all Denmark
      But he runs StarOffice.

      Ballmer: There needs no ghost, my lord, come from the grave
      To tell us this.

      Linus: Why, right! You are in the right!
      And so, without more circumstance at all,
      I hold it fit that we shake hands and part;
      You, as your business and desires shall point you;
      As every man has business and desire.
      And for my own poor part, look you, I'll go code.

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  4. yeah, but how long are they gonna stay with it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    how come these articles never seem to have any follow-up? do they stay with linux or give up after a year?

  5. Microsoft may have a strong foothold in the US... by intermodal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but as the US has consistently proved in the past decade and still not caught on to is that they're not the center of the universe. The loss of Microsoft's power will not be starting in the States, but rather in the countries with the good of the nation rather than the economy on their minds. UNIX has been a staple of Computer Science since the 70s (pre-70s i'd be hard pressed to consider anything on the frontier known as computers as a staple), and IMHO has a good number of decades left in it.

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  6. Editors on crack... by Iamthefallen · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article speaks mostly about Sun's StarOffice and how students will be offered it, not that every school will switch to Linux...

    I'll leave translation to someone who has stronger danish skills than me though.

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    1. Re:Editors on crack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Translation:

      Denmarks 1,1 million school students and teachers can now turn their backs to Microsoft Corp. At least when it comes to officeprograms.

      An agreement between Sun Microsystems and UNI-C implies that the students and teachers at all levels can download StarOffice 6.0 for free and install it at their homecomputers at no cost. Alternativily they can buy a cd-rom at the pure cost which is set to 10 danish crowns (1,5$ or so). The schools can buy StarOffice in bulk (50 cd's).

      The agreement has been made with UNI-C according to the rules of guidance that the minister of teaching Ulla Tørnæs (liberal party) published the 30. october. These rules describe who schools and universities must act when offered free office-programs. Among the demands are, that such gifts are truely free to the state and that UNI-C, the danish IT-center for research and education must distribute the licenses.

      UNI-C get their expenses covered by the 10 crowns that the distribution of the cd's earn them. Sun provides a server with StarOffice and Linux so that students and teachers can download these programs for free.

      UNI-C is here to help the educationenviroment in Denmark, so we are of coure happy to be able to provide such an initiative from Sun, the CEO of UNI-C Dorte Olesen states.

      The most common office-system in the world is Microsoft Office which does not exist in a version that can be run on a Linux OS.

      Due to the dominance of Microsoft within office-programs as well as OS more and more public authorities are working to create alternatives, primarily the combination of Linux and StarOffice.

      If all 1,1 million students and teachers were to take the offer of Sun, the total value would be approx. 200 million danish crowns (28 million $).

      Sorry for bad language, spelling errors and misprints.

    2. Re:Editors on crack... by Mathness · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The article speaks mostly about Sun's StarOffice and how students will be offered it, not that every school will switch to Linux.

      What I find amazing is that this story is more "news worthy" than Denmarks resent law (passed on 11/12-02) and enforced from 22/12-02, whick makes it illegal to import or resell music CDs, DVDs, books and comics from outside EU. Except for your own personal use. Which means that any buisness, education or public service (Radio and TV) have to ask permission each time they want to buy/import any of these items, if they survive long enough. Laserdisken (a Danish shop specilized in import of DVDs from America and Asia) have already begone to close two of its three shops.

      Read here for more info (sorry Danish only):
      Politiken
      Digital forbruger

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    3. Re:Editors on crack... by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I guess people are as stupid and irresponsible in Denmark as they are here in America.

      If it is the will of the Danish people to stop being assimilated by outside cultures or sending revenue to outside their jurisdiction, then all they have to do is Just Say No and stop buying that stuff. But noooo, they need a law to make themselves do what they supposedly want themselves to do.

      Not a specific criticism against the Danish people, really. As Frank Zappa would say, we're "Dumb All Over."

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  7. anyone here speak Danish? by Gerad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've started to question the authenticity of some slashdot stories recently, especially after things like this. If the editors don't read stories posted in our own language... Anyone out there want to verify this?

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    1. Re:anyone here speak Danish? by blakestah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is a lie.

      Star Office will be ubiquitious. It also works with linux, but linux will not be ubiquitious.

      In other words, they are moving to Star Office freely, or for a minimal price on CD. Hardly the same as a non-Microsoft workplace, more like non-MSOffice workplace.

      Still, not a bad start.

      Now if they could just set up a Christiania in San Francisco...

  8. Translation by Radagast · · Score: 5, Informative

    Free software for school use
    By Keld Louie Pedersen

    Denmark's 1.1 million students and teachers can now turn their backs to Microsoft corporation. At least when it comes to office software.

    A deal between the Silicon Valley company Sun Microsystems Incorporated and UNI-C means that the country's students and teachers can download the office program StarOffice 6.0 from Sun at no cost and freely install it on their home computer. Alternately, they can buy it on CD-ROM at cost, 10 kroners per CD. The schools can buy StarOFfice in packages of 50.

    Sun has made the deal with UNI-C according to the guidelines announced by education minister Ulla Toernaes (Left Party) on October 30th, on how educational institutions should act when offered free office software. Amongst the requirements are that such software donations are without cost for the state, and that UNI-C Denmark's information technology center should be responsible for distributing licenses.

    UNI-C's expenses are covered by the 10 kroner the distribution of CD-ROMs brings. Sun makes a server with the free Linux operating system available for those students and teachers who want to download StarOffice 6.0.

    "UNI-C exists to help the Danish educational world, so we're naturally very pleased to be able to distribute this type of initiative from Sun", says Dorte Olesen, director of UNI-C.

    The world's undisputedly most wide-spread office system is Microsoft Office, although this does not exist in a version that can be used on computers with Linux as the operating system.

    Because of Microsoft's dominance in both office and operating systems, several government institutions are working on creating alternatives, primarily the combination of Linux and StarOffice.

    If all 1.1 million students and teachers make use of the offer, the total value will, according to Sun Microsystems, be around 200 million kroners.

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  9. Bait and switch will not work here... by codepunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The GPL firmly kills any chances of a bait and switch. If SUN tried to tighten the screws they could switch to open office...

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  10. k12ltsp by OmegaGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone interested in doing something along these lines, and avoiding M$'s protection racket ("y'know, for a few dollars a year per station, I could make sure that you don't get hassled by software license audits"), should check out k12ltsp.org. With corporate donation programs starting to pass along some decent hardware to schools, a kick-ass lab can be had for just the cost of the networking infrastructure.

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  11. So it's not an interesting story at all-- by mmacdona86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sun is making StarOffice available free for Danish schools--that's pretty much all the story is. Not really news since Sun has been promoting StarOffice pretty widely. The schools are under no obligation to use StarOffice, and it sounds like there is no Linux involved at all (except the server from which you can download StarOffice)--it might all be StarOffice for Windows that is being talked about here.

  12. This just in. Denmark part of Axis of Evil by imag0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a stunning speech a few hours ago, President George Bush declared Denmark a "den of malcontents and terrorists". And announcing to the UN in an emergency security session the need to: "bomb the hell out of them" for obvious stockpiling weapons of mass destruction and denying their people American software, goods and services.

    Denmark, whose main exports include those silly little wooden shoes and tulips, was unavailable for comment.

    In other news, Microsoft led a resounding stock rally.

    1. Re:This just in. Denmark part of Axis of Evil by ewieling · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Denmark, whose main exports include those silly little wooden shoes and tulips, was unavailable for comment." That would be the Netherlands (commonly, incorrectly,referred to as Holland.

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    2. Re:This just in. Denmark part of Axis of Evil by broohaha · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think that would be Holland that does that.

      Denmark, whose main exports include those silly little wooden shoes and tulips, was unavailable for comment.

  13. Why not use Linux in schools? by saskboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are all sorts of reasons to use Linux in schools. One being the Thin client model found at K 12 Linux.

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  14. Re:But Why? by WNight · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If students can learn an office suite and desktop environment like Mandrake, or Redhat, and they can't apply these skills to Windows, they don't deserve to graduate. Students taught on a Mac manage to transfer their skills to other computers with a day or so of orientation, so why do you expect Linux will be much harder? You do know it's not all command-line based, right? There are applications other than grep and vim.

    Perhaps they'll be addicted to system stability and being able to move documents between programs... It might be hard to go back after that.

  15. Not Linux, star office by pyman · · Score: 4, Informative
    The article talks about schools switching to StarOffice.

    It does not mention anything about schools switching to Linux.

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  16. [OT] Re:Universities in the US... by snilloc · · Score: 4, Informative
    FYI for those not familiar w/ the Pennsylvania higher ed system. (Not necessarily the parent).

    Penn State and Pitt are "semi-private" Commonwealth affiliated institutions. They get interesting tax status, charge in-state students less, and get some Commonwealth funding.

    Then there are the more traditional state colleges: Lock Haven, IUP, Shippensburg(??), etc.

  17. Re:anyone here speak danish by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 4, Funny
    "I can only speak COBOL, and that badly. I don't even know what danish is. Is it like VB?"

    DANISH is like an advanced version PSTRY but you get a much better tase of it you compile it on APPLE or some other similarly fruity platform. It is best learned in the morning with a healthy side of JAVA.

  18. Clarification of a few things... by bolind · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hi,

    I'm from Denmark, I can read the article, so I figured I'd clear up a few things:

    An entity, which is called UNI-C, has reached an agreement with Sun Microsystems about distribution of their StarOffice package. Schools, teachers and students will be able to get the software for free if they download it (from a linux server, running on the danish school network known as Sektornet) or for a fee of ~ $1.50 on a CD.

    UNI-C is a semigovermental entity, that does networking for the public school system and the universities, hosts the DIX (Danish Internet eXchange) and things like that. Danish law says, that for a public school to accept free software, the software must be of no expense to the state, and its ditribution must be handled by UNI-C.

    So, in conclusion, no, every school in Denmark is not switching to Linux. They may switch to StarOffice, on some platform.

    But hey, it's a step in the right direction...

    Oh, and merry x-mas everyone.

    Bo

  19. Stunning Al Quaida - Lego - Denmark link by solferino · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a full press release made available shortly after President Bush's recent speech attacking Denmark, the Administration outlined suspicions linking the Lego Corporation of Denmark to Al Quaida and the attack on the World Trade Centre.

    Apparently, the attack was planned using a 43,000 lego brick scale model of the two towers. The Administration suspects direct involvement by Lego Corporation's scaled modelling experts and has now declared Lego products a Weapon of Mass (Modelling) Destruction. The Administration is now compiling a list of all people who have made substantial Lego purchases in the last few week and will be immediately calling them in for questioning and possible detention over the next few days.

  20. If someone switches back, you'd hear about it. by g4dget · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Microsoft's PR department would probably let you know if some big institution that switched away from Windows or Office came back to it. And there are plenty of computer columnists and reporters who would have a field day with that as well.

    While individuals and small installations may go back to Windows, I suspect that for most large installations, the cost advantages and reliability of Linux are so compelling that they tend to stay with it.

  21. Re:But why NOT?! by Tony-A · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No more BS with students showing up with a paper they typed at home and not being able to open it at school.
    That's the real payout. And everybody using the same version of the same software is *not* a viable solution. Home, Office, School. Different versions of different software. They all need to be able to read and write. The duo of StarOffice/OpenOffice will tend to ensure that "improvements" and "enhancements" do not introduce gratuitous incompatibilities.